back to article Stallman: Did I say Jobs was evil? I meant really evil

As if Richard Stallman's first pot shot at Steve Jobs didn't cause enough outrage, the founder of the Free Software Foundation has decided to clarify his stance – with some more criticism. Apple products digitally handcuff their users, Stallman observes. And the fact that they are pretty just makes it worse. According to the …

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  1. Aitor 1 Silver badge
    Devil

    I agree

    I certainly agree. He was evil, and it should be clear for all to see..

  2. TeeCee Gold badge
    WTF?

    "Richard Stallman's speaking tour rider...."

    I'm now trying to work out whether that's genuine and extremely sad, or just one of the most awesome piss-takes of all time......

  3. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Tragic

    Seems that dementia is destroying a man who has some good work and ideas behind him.

    It seems as if he never used an Apple "general purpose computer", like most of the anti-macs who will respond to this article, or he could have found the full UNIX, the Apple web sites full of free, GNU and other software, Macports and countless more. He may even have discovered his own software running rather well and the standard, installed stuff, such as PHP, Ruby, Python, LAMP ....

    Perhaps he is upset that it is so easy to get at and augment or reduce. Some "technical" types do object to the hoi polloi having easy access.

    Perhaps, secretly, he has got shares in cheap hardware manufacturers and resents the rather long life and increasing presence of Apple gear.

    Still, consolation: it is his free choice, with many alternatives, whatever the hardware and softwaer he feels he needs. Or is that the problem? We should all be buying cheap hardware and installing patchily supported, "free" software of his choosing so that he can write learned replies to normal people needing help and advice.

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    1. ratfox Silver badge
      Gimp

      iPhans

      Nice word.

      Disagree in general with the post, though.

    2. RichyS
      Thumb Up

      It's real.

      Here are the piss takes though: http://thestallmandialogues.com/

    3. Kay Burley ate my hamster
      FAIL

      Go back and read the article

      He was talking about phones...

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Read it again then...

        He is talking about computers too.

      2. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        He quoted

        "general-purpose computers with digital handcuffs more controlling and unjust than ever before" from Steve Jobs, out of context, with no caveat that he (Stallman) was talking just about the consumer devices when he quoted "general-purpose computers".

        I'm waiting for him to rip into Nokia,, Microsoft, car computers, GPS computers and all the other "closed" consumer devices.

        I wonder, did Apple refuse him a job once? Did Apple ever claim its consumer devices were "open"? If Android is so open, why do people "jail-break" it?

        Does it matter? The new Nokias look rather good. I think we can all be grateful that Apple have stimulated such extraordinary improvements in design and usefulness of mobiles. Perhaps Stallman's gripe is that he did not have the ideas himself.

        1. goldcd

          I little unfair

          to compare jailbreaking an iOS device with rooting an android one.

          For a start most people don't need to root their android device. If you for example wish to install a random program you found on the internet (or wrote yourself) on iOS you have to jailbreak, whilst on Android... erm there's a little checkbox you have to click in settings.

          Should you actually wish/need to root, Android makes it very easy (well OK, depends on the manufacturer, but). Take as an example the Nexus one "fastboot-windows oem unlock"... and it's unlocked.

          Compare how iOS and Android behave once rooted - iOS does everything in it's power to make a rooted phone annoying (OOps, my phone needs a reboot - where's my laptop gone?). Android - I get a warning glyph on boot.

          Once you've rooted, where do I get my root-requiring apps? iOS - cydia or similar non official repositories. Android...erm just search for 'root' in google's app store.

          OK, going on a bit here, but my intention was just to point out that rooting an android is just like removing the training wheels from a bike. As long as you can seemingly prove to your phone you want them off, it'll let you.

          There are obviously some exceptions where phone manufacturers have deliberately made it hard to root in the past, but going forward they seem to be coming around to the idea (e.g. HTC promising to allow root on their new phones/ROMs).

    4. dogged
      Thumb Up

      Who has the better beard?

      Stallman or Alan Moore?

      Only one way to find out.... FIGHT!

    5. mafoo
      WTF?

      Stallman in Conference

      Here is what to expect when you go see Stallman speaking.

      I warn you now, don't watch it if your about to have lunch.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I25UeVXrEHQ

      1. Not That Andrew
        Alien

        Re the Better Beard

        Alan Moore would win, obviously. He has Glycon on his side.

        http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=AEnVgVDd8m0C&lpg=PP1&pg=PA8#v=onepage&q&f=false

        http://somethingpositive.net/sp02132008.shtml

    6. alexh2o
      FAIL

      He is quite clearly referring to mobile devices here, or more bluntly, iOS! Doesn't really matter what goes on in OSX with regard to his statements.

      Fact is, iOS is locked down hard!

      You can only use approved software (no Flash).

      You can only use approved programs (App Store approvals).

      You can only install software from one place (App Store).

      You can only use approved file formats (no .flac etc).

      You can only sync through one means (iTunes).

      Etc.

      These are the points he is getting at. He also says Apple are making it worse by suing 'competitors' who are trying to offer choice on a similar mobile platform, further destroying "choice".

      You may or may not agree with his principles. You may or may not believe Apple is unique in these sorts of actions. You can NOT however dispute the issues he is raising as they are plain facts!

      1. Mick Sheppard

        They are facts. The question is whether they are important?

        Twenty years ago I'd have argued yes. Ten years ago I would probably have argued yes. Now I'm not so sure. The majority of users now are consumers of web content. To them the important thing is does it work reliably? Can I access the content I want? Is it easy to use?

        I understand Stallman. I even understand the people on here that support his view. I put it to you that you aren't the target audience of these devices. That you are so wrapped up in technology that you are unable to see what ordinary people want.

        Looking at a more traditional industry look at cars. Thirty years ago everything was mechanical. The flow of fuel into the engine was controlled by a carb, or maybe twin carbs. The mechanics were reasonably simple. Maintenance was something that the average person could do if they wanted to. These days everything is computer controlled. Ignition systems and fuel injection aren't something that the average person can service. Does this matter? Only the true pistonheads think so. The rest of us just want to use it to get from A to B. Like it or not computing is going the same way.

        1. sisk Silver badge

          "They are facts. The question is whether they are important?"

          Yes. Absolutely. They are and always will be.

          ". The majority of users now are consumers of web content. To them the important thing is does it work reliably? Can I access the content I want? Is it easy to use?"

          That may be what the average consumer cares about, but it doesn't change the fact that being able to use their device as they choose is important. Just because the majority wants something shiny and isn't ever going to tinker with it doesn't mean that the ability to tinker is unimportant.

          Let's look at some other things that are true by your argument. Most people wouldn't be affected if the use of a five button mouse were suddenly removed from Windows, so that woludn't be important. Most people wouldn't be affected if Windows were the only OS available, so let's just do away with all the others. Most people wouldn't be affected if international calls were suddenly impossible, so lets do away with that capability (maybe to help curb terrorism). Most people don't have any secrets that would be harmful to them if the government knew about them, so we don't really need laws restricting the government's ability to listen in on our phone calls.

          See where that kind of thinking leads?

          "Only the true pistonheads think so."

          So very, very wrong. No one who knows me would EVER classify me as a piston head. A couple of them actually cringe when they see me in an auto parts store by myself. Even so I sorely resent being forced to pay a mechanic to fix a problem that I should be able to fix by myself just because some idiot decided that my car needs to be computer controlled. Very few people I know would disagree with that sentiment.

          The computer in cars added little of value. They just make for more complexity and more things that can go wrong. It's the same thing with the lockdown on mobile devices: little or no real added value for the consumer, but lots of things are taken out of the user's hands for no good reason.

          1. veti Silver badge
            Megaphone

            Whining that you can't run "any app you like" on your iThing is like complaining that you can't watch movies on your radio.

            It's a consumer device. It's not *sold* as a general-purpose computer. It's a device for playing games, for surfing the web, watching TV, storing and listening to audio, e-mailing, and lots of other applications of varying levels of interactivity.

            And that's all it was ever supposed to be. It makes no bones about its limitations. To criticise it for not running Flash is like criticising a fridge because it doesn't have a built-in microwave.

        2. GotThumbs
          Facepalm

          Think about the business practice Apple is using.

          What makes your statement Truly sad is you seem to have no concept of the controlled environment Apple has created. Try loading anything onto an IOS product WITHOUT iTunes or going through apple. You can't. Apple HAS created a closed environment that many don't realize and that's the concern. Many are blind to the fact that Apple has 100% control over you and the vendors who want access to you as a consumer. NO ONE can sell anything through Itunes without APPLE getting ~30%.

          Microsoft gets sued for its integrated web-browser, but NEVER prevented its users from downloading and using another. I'm still in disbelief how Apple has still not been sued for the locked down environment it commands over people who seem blinded by flashy fashion focused shells. I don't deny the simplicity....but I will NEVER give my freedom of choice away as all Apple IOS users have.

          Their computers are INTEL driven computers in a fashionable shell, but people pay twice the cost of similar spec'd PC. Why? Because their lacking knowledge and quickly focus on the shiny distraction. The old adage is still true....A fool and his money are quickly parted.

          1. David Dawson
            Headmaster

            @GotThumbs

            Microsoft gets sued for its integrated web-browser, but NEVER prevented its users from downloading and using another. I'm still in disbelief how Apple has still not been sued for the locked down environment it commands over people who seem blinded by flashy fashion focused shells. I don't deny the simplicity....but I will NEVER give my freedom of choice away as all Apple IOS users have.

            -----

            The all important difference between Microsoft and Apple is that Apple has never abused a monopoly position.

            It may have abused its customer base, who knows... (I don't care).

            The fact is they do not have a monopoly in _any_ area. The have a commanding position in smartphones, certainly and an even more commanding one in portable music players.

            These are not monopolies though, and never have been.

            The fact that they have effective competition means that customers have a real choice. Once that is in place, the monopoly regulators don't really care what a company does to its customers.

            There's an interesting discussion to be had about what 'freedom' is. It is certainly not absolute, eg, I am not free to randomly beat people up.

            So, there are degrees of what we call freedom, with a corresponding compromises in what we are permitted to do.

            iOS users have traded the ability to do certain things for the advantages of the platform. Its is not something I would do, but I certainly don't think its a ridiculous position to hold.

            1. Toggi3
              Flame

              there are other browsers for iOS and OS X, what the hell are you talking about?... I'm not blinded either, my experience with android was just that it was total garbage after 3 years of dealing with it. If it werent such an awful insecure buggy bloated java infested heap I might love it, until then I'll take almost anything else. ICS might win me back from what I've seen.

            2. Graham Dawson

              Actually they do have a monopoly. You can't run non-apple-approved software on an iOS device. They often simply ban software from iTunes if it competes with their own offerings. How is that not abusing a monopoly?

              1. Toggi3
                WTF?

                when they grow large enough to be called a monopoly we can discuss that. until then what they do is entirely legal and perhaps even justifiable. There is certainly competition out there to choose from so to call it a monopoly is completely ridiculous. If they start dominating over 90% of the market, then we can talk monopolies with their current practice.

                by the same coin nothing stops you from circumventing that, or running something else if you hate it so, but its not a monopoly yet.

              2. David Dawson
                Trollface

                @graham

                Ahem.

                They have a monopoly on ios devices, which is to say, no monopoly at all.

                Buy another smartphone! (As indeed you have)

                1. ColonelNZ
                  Devil

                  @ David Dawson

                  The point is that Apple is also trying to sue their competitors into oblivion so you won't be able to buy another smartphone.

              3. Bod

                "Actually they do have a monopoly. You can't run non-apple-approved software on an iOS device. They often simply ban software from iTunes if it competes with their own offerings. How is that not abusing a monopoly?"

                And that is exactly the analogy with Microsoft. They were hit hard for having a monopoly on their own software, specifically their browser. Their OS, their browser that ships with it. It was harming competition. Why are Apple treated entirely differently for being far more restrictive and anti-competitive in what is a similar monopoly? An ecosystem monopoly basically.

        3. Anonymous Coward
          Stop

          I'm sorry, but you are so wrong Mike

          RMS's philosophy is much wider than the ability to let you run your own applications on your phone.

          It is about control by governments, it is about monitoring your every day activities without your knowledge, restriction of progress of the IT movement in general through restrictive practices espoused by Apple (and other IT corporates, granted).

          These issues are *MORE* important than ever before and they will continue to be bigger and bigger factors.

          What has changed is the current generations's laissez faire attitude to it. Our generation is much more savvy and suspicious and rightly so.

        4. Naughtyhorse

          lol OTOH

          look at politics

          Joe Stalin is father of the nation beloved by all

          the people dont need to be hassled by pesky elections to demonstrate their love.

          Uncle Joe knows whats best for them.

          and besides, running a super power is so complex, the poor dears dont have either the information or the processing capacity to make informed decisions

          Let uncle Joe do all the thinking for you.

          yeah, ok i kinda godwined myself there, but ffs.

          you argument seems to run;

          choice requires information,

          sheeple are uniformed and dumb,

          ergo it's good they have no choice.

          fuck em!, now they are hooked on the shiny shiny, lets make the fuckers do a bit of work.

        5. kjrunner

          The facts matter because using the patent war to keep competing products off the market hurts all of us as consumers. Do you think ALL of the new features in iOS5 or the iPhone 4S would be present if it wasn't for competition. As repeatedly pointed out Apple didn't actually come up with everything first and those competitors have come up with new ideas and pushed the development that even those that choose to be in the walled garden benefit from.

          Further one of the things that infurates me about Apple's business practices is their insistance that I cannot do what I want with a product I bought from them. Not that Apple is the only one guilty of this (glares at Sony). I believe once I buy a product it is mine to do with as I please, with the full understanding that if I break something it may not be covered under warranty etc. I believe this should be the way with licenses as well with the understandable constraint that I get one copy/use and cannot create additional copies and distribute, but as far as all the different restrictions on OEM licenses and the such I do believe it is worth using these types of facts to fight for the rights of consumers. Just because many don't care to exercise these rights themselves does not mean we should support or ignore those that would try and remove these rights. On this side of the pond many don't exercise their right to vote, but I do not think anyone that pursues removing those rights from them should be supported.

          And to address the seemingly requisite automobile comparison. Yes, only a few people fret about not being able to tinker with their vehicle. But I don't see a major patent wars over things like push button starters, or hybrid gas/electric power trains, or insert many features commonly found across brands of vehicle. Should the first company that built a car that you just pushed a button to start be able to sue all those that have it now? Should they be able to get a patent on it? Those of us that don't think they should also think these facts are important concerning the mobile computing/phone industry.

          1. chris lively

            Regarding Autos

            Actually, the company that invented the push button start did get a patent on it.

            It's just that the automobile industry is much more grown up about it and is generally willing to, for a reasonable fee, allow other car manufacturers to do the exact same thing.

            Software companies as a whole, however, are like a bunch of children. They don't share unless forced to and have decided to use patents as a legal means of extortion.

            The main issue is simply that the manufacture of automobiles is extremely expensive. It takes a lot of capital to just get started. Which means car companies know their competitors. Therefore they are much more willing to "work together" by cross licensing tech that benefits everyone.

            Software on the other hand can be done for next to nothing. Which means that there might be 1000 people who come up with the same thing you do and the ONLY protection you get is via a patent.

            However, at the end of the day I wish software patents didn't exist. Level the damn field for everyone.

        6. BrownishMonstr

          Unlike others, Mick, I agree with you. To most people, including me, phones are tools and are there to get stuff done, the same way cars are used to get one from A to B.

          The majority of people who use iPhones are happy with them because of the number of apps and ease of use. Uninstalling apps on the iPhone is easy, on the android it's a whole different level.

          Just because techies don't like the closed system, doesn't mean it's not suited for the average consumer. Users are idiots, stopping them from installing malicious apps by having barriers is better than them being free and injuring themselves; you, as a company, are going to be blamed for letting that happen and that'll affect your image. If someone don't like the closed system then jailbreak the iPhone. Though Apple did want to make that illegal, that's a different matter---one I never liked.

      2. N2 Silver badge

        Yes but

        Its a telephone, if you dont like it, dont buy it.

        Theres enough information out there on the internet to enable most people to make an educated choice without having to listen to some self proclaimed weird beard prophet.

        1. ZweiBlumen
          Thumb Down

          No, it's a mobile device

          @N2

          "Its a telephone, if you dont like it, dont buy it."

          No it isn't, I can't install Angry Birds on my landline phone.

          About the last thing anyone does on a smartphone is make a phonecall in the traditional sense. Not saying they don't make calls, but updating your Facebook page, reading your Twitter stream and uploading photos is not making a call.

      3. Thomas Ross
        Go

        The iOS is locked down. I can walk away anytime, or jailbreak it.

        Flash does decrease the battery life, and is unstable.

        Look where unapproved programs have landed Android.

        The other points ? Yeah, I can live with those too.

        Are the competitors stealing? That's what Apple says. That's up to the courts.

        I used to tweak PCs, hell, it's nessesary to keep windows running. Nowadays I want the stuff to work for me, not against me.

        If Bethesda ports their softs over to Macintosh, I'll delete windows for the foreseeable future.

        YMMV.

    7. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Watch out!

      Fanboi gonna blow!

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    9. ThomH Silver badge

      I don't agree

      On the basis that his micromanagement seems to have stemmed from a genuine personal belief that end-to-end control makes better products rather than a lust for profits, I don't agree that Jobs was evil. That's even though I accept that the walled garden locks consumers in and that monopolies are very bad for the consumer. And I'm not arguing that he was necessarily right, merely that his motivations don't justify 'evil'.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Those who perform the biggest evils often have no idea of the scale of their evil.

        It might be negligence or ineptness of their actions, but it's still evil however you roll and smoke it.

      2. John Hughes
        Flame

        As usual El Reg commits terminalogical inexactitudes

        In this post RMS *does not* say that Jobs was "evil".

        El Reg are hyping up what RMS actually said in order to stir the shit.

        "In my first posting about Steve Jobs, I misquoted Mayor Washington's words. According to this radio program, his exact words were:

        When he says that he would hope that I would have all the good qualities of past mayors, there are no good qualities of past mayors to be had. None. None. None. None.

        I did not mourn at the bier of the late mayor. I regret anyone dying. I have no regrets about him leaving.

        I remembered two sentences ("I regret...leaving.") of what Washington said, but got the words wrong. The error did not alter the meaning, but accuracy requires this correction.

        Overall, Washington's statement was harsher than mine. He criticized Mayor Daley as a person; I criticized Jobs' public activity. My feelings about Jobs as a person are not strong, since I barely knew him. The important thing about Jobs is what he directed Apple to do to those who are still living: to make general-purpose computers with digital handcuffs more controlling and unjust than ever before. He designed them to refuse even to let users install their own choice of applications — and installing free (freedom-respecting) applications is entirely forbidden. He even tried to make it illegal to install software not approved by Apple.

        Jobs saw how to make these computers stylish and smooth. That would normally be positive, but not in this case, since it has the paradoxical effect of making their controlling nature seem acceptable.

        Jobs' death inspired a flood of articles lauding him for these very devices. That further increases their potential for harm, which is why now more than ever we must focus attention on it. We must not let secondary considerations about Apple or Jobs distract us from this threat until we have thwarted it.

        Jobs also made it a personal crusade to attack Android with software patents. In practice, Android is not entirely free software, but it is a big step closer compared with the iPhone. If Apple's guns hit Android, they could wipe out all possibility of free software portable devices that are attractive to use. Jobs' final legacy may be the patent disaster we have warned about for 20 years. "

      3. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Rather than just for profit.....

        ... which made apple the richest company in the US.....

    10. Aitor Ibarra

      Well I don't...

      Not a very common name that we share so to avoid confusion among people that know me: I don't think Steve Jobs was evil. That doesn't mean that I think he was Jesus or deserves another crappy version of Candle In The Wind to be written about him either.

      1. Bullseyed

        "personal belief that end-to-end control makes better products rather than a lust for profits"

        So getting paid for working is evil, but attempting to con people into paying for restricted hardware isn't.

        Uh, gotcha I guess.

        /Oh wait, no, you make no sense.

        1. ThomH Silver badge

          @Bullseyed

          That's such a trivial straw man argument that I have to wonder about your motives in citing it.

          I argued that Jobs' actions were predicated on his belief that he was creating better products as a result.

          You use the word 'con' which imports an idea of deception, i.e. you state that my argument is that Jobs was consciously trying to trick people into buying worse hardware.

          The conclusion that you've deliberately misstated me is impossible to avoid and it's difficult to believe that the upvotes you've received come from anyone objective.

        2. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          LOL

          It's the Windows PCs that only run Windows. Remember that. Well, you could hack them to run Mac, but that's a short term thing. Only the Macs run it all. Who is the shacked one? Not the Mac user. We can access all your files. You have no idea what to do with a Mac file. No software for it since none of your 'computer companies' even BOTHER with software.

    11. dlc.usa
      Megaphone

      Tragic?

      I don't understand technical folks who understand what libre source is all about who apparently distance themselves further from the standard-beared whenever he uses another opportunity attempt to get the world to listen and understand. Are such technical folks unable to resist the MSM push to deify Jobs and so agree with the MSM that RMS has gone (further?) off the deep end? I think it more likely they in reality don't get what libre source is all about after all and why that is so globally important.

      On the other hand, RMS seems to have no truck with vendors of "appliances" (including IBM's mainframe master control components, the HMC and SE) who maintain they need not distribute the libre source running on their appliances. If that legal loophole is not properly addressed soon, then every gizmo that can run libre source licensed code will become an "appliance" all the way up to IBM zSeries Parallel Sysplex clusters running z[GNU]Linux. Then, MS will win its campaign to force OEMs to force their customers to run only MS OSes. Lastly, libre source will become illegal under DMCA enhancements subsequently propagated to every sovereign nation.

      But maybe enough people can make it plain to the rest of the planet why this would be a Really Bad Thing.

      Nah. Up with Jobs. Down with RMS. Meh.

    12. Rob Moir

      Stallman? Evil? I've have totally gone with overbearing bore with an overly well developed sense of his own self importance and an underdeveloped sense of the real world, but "evil" seems a bit strong to me - I'm willing to ascribe things to stupidity and await actual proof of intent before reaching for the "evil" branding iron.

    13. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Crapple

      Stupid people deserve computers they can understand. Luckily Apple users are too damn dumb to realize their computers aren't allowed to do anything.

    14. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Google pretends to be the modern day Robin Hood that is stealing intellectual property from companies in technologically rich west and giving it to companies in poorer Asian countries. It has already wrecked companies like Nokia, RIM, Palm and Motorola and propped up Samsung, HTC, Huawei and ZTE. In this way it appeals to the globalist socialist fanatics as an entity that is redistributing wealth to poor. Truth is that Google that has no experience and expertise in operating system technology. Sun, Apple and Microsoft have about 4 decades of experience in developing os. There was no way Google could build this much expertise on its own, It was smart enough to know that the only way it can protect its advertising monopoly and revenue is by having a dominant operating system of its own. Since it did not have the capabilities to build, it poached employees from Sun, Apple, and stole their technology and  handed it over free to asian handset vendors. This way it thought it will be protected against litigation while allowing it to extend its monopoly in web services.

      Besides this farce the other lie being propagated is that Andriod is an open source movement, intended to empower the powerless individual developers, while the sad reality is that it has killed the mobile open source movements like linux and java, by stealing their code and credit, underming their rules and thus destroying their ecosystem.  This koolaid is so intoxicating that it has created a cult of dimwits who will swear that google can do no evil. They will never ask google to open source its search engine software. Imagine if yahoo poaches google employees and open sources it's search engine technology, would google still claim that software should not be protected by intellectual property rights.  But then hypocrisy is the currency narcissists use to deal with dim wits

    15. Anonymous Coward
      Windows

      Enough already about Mr.Jobs!

      I think there's a big misunderstanding being generated here. While the article speaks about the things Mr. Jobs (or his company) /did/ (making locked down phones, attacking competitors, etc.) the overall statement seems to be personally directed at him (maybe while not even being meant that way).

      I think the whole thing is bollocks and this statement is only made because of the recent events. Nothing more, nothing else.

      "A personal crusade to attack Android". On the other hand Microsoft is also cashing in BIG TIME with patents reflecting Android. Evil? Dunno, I don't think its ethical (IMO the whole US patent system is a stupid joke, and lousy in general) but its what US companies do. Why single out Apple while the rest also aren't free of blame? Mr.Jobs evil? Or Mr. Jobs determined to run his company in a way which is common (or 'commonly accepted') in the US ?

      "Jobs death inspired a flood of articles lauding him for these very devices". Agreed. But can you blame Mr. Jobs for that? Give me a fscking break here. Its how the world works. Someone dies and people start talking about him and the stuff he did. Even when big criminals die a lot of people will still continue with only talking positively about him/her. Welcome to society!

      This isn't about Steve Jobs, its about Apple. Yes, Mr. Jobs has a big responsibility and influence in all that considering that he was the owner, but there were more people involved besides Jobs.

      I don't think its fair to put the blame entirely on Steve Jobs, I think its close to cheap propaganda which in this time maybe even close to slander (taking the recent events in consideration; Mr. Jobs is no long around to share his mind on it all).

      If you want to put the blame somewhere; blame Apple. IMO its time to leave Steve Jobs alone, enough already.

      For the record; I'm no Apple user and quite frankly I don't have any desire to ever becoming one. But having said that I don't think its fair to continue to start talking about someone who can no longer talk back.

  5. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Stallman is backing Android now?

    Has he tried requesting the source code for Honeycomb, or actually most of the hardware drivers for any version? Not to mention the source code for all Google Apps that actually make the platform desireable. Oh, oops none of them are available.

    It's a shame to see someone who has contributed so much to IT ending up as nutcase.

    Hope he got that recipe for the Pepsi he likes, wouldn't want him being contaminated with non-open source drinks. I'd think he would carry his own cans of OpenCola.

    That list of demands for the speaking tour is a true gem.

  6. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Evil?

    Maybe. But Macs run Emacs. On the other hand, a portable music player with a command line interface is probably not gonna catch on.

    Still - I admire Stallman and Jobs. They both got stuff done

  7. Anomalous Cowherd Silver badge

    Ugh

    20 years ago I could see where Stallman was coming from, but IT has changed. These days he's about as relevant as Arthur Scargill, but with less charm.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      "It's a shame to see someone who has contributed so much to IT ending up as nutcase"

      So he & Boy Wonder DO have something in common.

      BOTH a couple of "nutcases" who did good things for the computer industry...then went all wacko on us.

      Richard...time for your meds now. You just have to remember to take them regularly. You know how irrational you get when you miss a dose.

    2. Neil McDowell
      Devil

      -Charm

      Is negative charm even possible?

      (former mining engineer)

      1. cloudgazer

        There is an anti-charm quark so I don' t see why not.

    3. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Stallman is backing Android now?

      "Has he tried requesting the source code for Honeycomb, or actually most of the hardware drivers for any version? Not to mention the source code for all Google Apps that actually make the platform desireable. Oh, oops none of them are available."

      Stallman doesn't dispute this which is why he points out that "Android is not entirely free software". The real world is more complicated than God versus Satan, you know.

      "It's a shame to see someone who has contributed so much to IT ending up as nutcase."

      It's a shame to see people not bother to read the words of those they criticise.

      It's easy to snigger and use terms like "nutcase" when the object of derision actually sticks to his principles and doesn't pack up and go home when "enough shiny" has been parcelled out by everybody's favourite corporation of the month.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Its the good old: Cant beat him.. well i can always call him names....

    4. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Exactly. He may as well be walking about socialism and 4 day weeks rather than proprietary software.

      These days the world is rights mad, DRM, copyright, patents and so on. The Internet has made Stallman's arguments rather weak as it has shown that when the masses have total freedom they tend to abuse it.

      The real "freedom" failure is nothing to do with Jobs, it is to do with politicians sucking up to big business and imposing so many laws on Internet freedom.

      1. Naughtyhorse

        when the masses have total freedom they tend to abuse it.

        when the masses have total freedom they tend to exercise it.

        there fixed it for you

    5. JEDIDIAH
      Linux

      Apple deserves the flac it gets

      > a portable music player with a command line interface is probably not gonna catch on.

      Yes but one that "just works" and plays anything you happen to have on hand just might.

      It's a shame that St. Jobs didn't allow his product to do this and actively attacked competitors that were willing to take up the slack.

      1. Toggi3
        Stop

        You mean by installing 3rd party plugins or filters that let iTunes (or perhaps windows media player) do exactly this?

        How about proprietary codecs out of box in linux? Or can I not apply the same logic there?

    6. Naughtyhorse
      Joke

      OpenCola

      wouldn't that go flat rather quickly!

      yuk

  8. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Haters.....

    Stallman obviously likes an argument but not actually constructing valid ones.

  9. zb

    Non-diet Pepsi

    Wow!! The bastard. Thanks El Reg for that brave bit of investigative reporting. I will never think of RMS in the same light again.

  10. badboy101
    Linux

    Whats the problem?

    The boy speaks the truth.

    The only thing he probably doesn't want to accept is that those being handcuffed probably don't care, don't know any different or most likely both.

  11. Earl Jones Of Potatoes
    Childcatcher

    stall man

    there's no such thing as free lunch

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      "The only thing he probably doesn't want to accept is that those being handcuffed probably don't care"

      What is worse is that those who like being handcuffed squeal and whine when anyone points it out, in case the gods of shiny deny them their new shiny for even longer than their attention span, all because the gods must surely want to spite the naysayers. (This being an old trick from that tome of collective punishment known as The Holy Bible, of course.)

      1. Nun of Thee Above

        Freedom from responsibility

        Completely understandable. There is another type of freedom that many don't like: freedom of choice.

        Most people don't want a lot of options--it's an effort just to get through a day without hurting themselves. Thinking abstractly to arrive at reasonable conclusions is usually not possible. Ergo, follow the herd. Be a fanboi. Ahhhh, now isn't that easier?

        Perhaps Mr. Stallman doesn't fully appreciate that the second you attempt to argue with idiots you become one.

        1. dlc.usa
          Boffin

          Become An Idiot?

          "Perhaps Mr. Stallman doesn't fully appreciate that the second you attempt to argue with idiots you become one."

          This is possibly true if your definition of an idiot is someone who cannot open his mind a crack to reconsider one of his conclusions about the nature of reality when someone with excellent credentials suggests reconsideration might be in that person's better interest. The problem is the non-idiot must determine, first, if he is dealing with such an idiot and, second, it is extremely unlikely any non-idiot in need of the same reassessment will now or in the future encounter this particular instance of the argument.

          RMS is not an idiot and cares more about reaching the non-idiots in need of reassessment than conforming to social norms to the max so people will "like" him more. Indeed, that nonconformance can and actually has helped the message get more ink for decades. The fact the article we are discussing was published shows his eccentricity still gets the message out. He clearly reasoned long ago he must sacrifice likability as needed to get the message out. I presume he has inferred anyone who needs to like him before they can open their minds a crack is unlikely to make the reassessment anyway.

          Meanwhile he endures the continuing marginalization efforts of so many who do not want him to succeed for whatever reasons. The ultimate marginalization tactic is the favorite in RMS' case (because he makes it so easy): persuade those he would attempt to reach that he is a lunatic and "obviously" nothing he says is worthy of consideration.

      2. Anonymous Cowerd
        Unhappy

        actually, some of us DO care

        I am handcuffed by this stuff and it will be a massive factor in which smartphone I purchase next.

        At the moment, it won't be another iPhone, nice and shiny though it is.

    2. Giles Jones Gold badge

      Just like socialists speak the truth too, we probably should spend less time working and more time enjoying life. Except it is pretty unworkable in reality.

      1. Naughtyhorse

        TINA

        http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/adamcurtis/2011/09/the_curse_of_tina.html

        what was that you were saying?

      2. Armando 123

        @Giles Jones

        "Just like socialists speak the truth too, we probably should spend less time working and more time enjoying life. Except it is pretty unworkable in reality."

        Partly because more than half our money goes to taxes to fund socialism.

    3. T.a.f.T.

      "The only thing he probably doesn't want to accept is that those being handcuffed probably don't care, don't know any different or most likely both."

      I am sure he accepts it, that is probably he main worry.

      If people go along with being handcuffed then it does make life easier for developers in a lot of ways and it should mean you can guarantee that the limited software you let run will work perfectly. Now market forces will mean that the company which can guarantee 100% uptime will end up with lots more customers (think of all the Macs that ended up in media in the 90s). More market share for them means less for everyone else & a greater chance that other people will copy their business model and lock down their own systems too. This will mean that more and more lock down happens while less and less market is left for those who do not lock down until all the non-lockdown crowd go bust.

      That is why he cannot stop campaigning and why he also does not support Open Source because what he wants is Free/Libre/Lunch/Beer Software not just software that you can have the code for.

      1. fLaMePrOoF
        Facepalm

        "and it should mean you can guarantee that the limited software you let run will work perfectly"

        Possibly one of the most rediculously miss-guided statements ever posted in an IT related forum...

  12. Anomalous Cowturd
    Meh

    Tea and Pepsi?

    Hardly outrageous demands. He even says he has his own tea bags.

    He's a man of principles, and I admire him for it.

    Hmmm... Tea...

  13. Cunningly Linguistic
    Thumb Up

    He may be a bit raving, but I have to agree with what he says.

  14. the-it-slayer
    Mushroom

    What?

    Is this man mental? I gave up after the first few paragraphs. I'm sure he certainly knows how to spell jealousy.

    If open source was the answer to all problems, we would of all bought into it.

  15. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Slap this man with a wet fish,

    Looking at my iPod now, there are free programs, that I chose to install. On my Mac, I am running quite a bit of free stuff, some of which I wrote myself. Can't see how his reverse-RDF applies here.

    Stallman is a complete anachronism. Get back to your eighties wonderland beardie.

    Anon, because I choose to be free of his twuntery.

  16. /dev/null

    Breakfast?

    "I do not eat breakfast. Please do not ask me any questions about what I will do breakfast. Please just do not bring it up."

    Wow, what's the big deal with breakfast?

  17. Andus McCoatover
    Windows

    RMS (Richard Matthew Stallman)...

    ...is the initials on all the drain covers on my way home from the shop whilst buying my tin of breakfast tramp-juice (Actually, the initials are the same the way to town, but inverted)..

    Fitting, what??

  18. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Stallman,

    "You are in more dire need of a blowjob than any white man in history" (Adrian Cronauer)

    1. ratfox Silver badge
      Headmaster

      Fatal mistake

      You think that "free" means you did not pay for it. For that man, "free" has a very different definition.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Free

        Oh yes, I am aware his dictionary has free meaning "must include source code and the ability to f*ck around with the application if I so choose, and be publicly available, and also not cost anyone a penny". I choose to disregard this bearded twunts definition as pointless as my programming skills are not up to designing an entire OS and application suite myself, so I choose to allow someone to do that for me and pay them for it. And at the same time, use their shiny OS on a nice shiny computer which has lasted perfectly well for 5 years so far.

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          "and also not cost anyone a penny"

          Please just read the FAQ for the copyleft licences and be done with it.

          "my programming skills are not up to designing an entire OS and application suite myself, so I choose to allow someone to do that for me and pay them for it"

          But you'd like someone else to maybe have the chance to fix your OS and applications on your behalf should the need arise, all because the developers let you have the source code? Oh right: you didn't think of that.

          The world doesn't end at the end of your nose, you know.

          1. Shock Me
            Big Brother

            I accept licenses because...

            I accept licenses because...I believe that artists, programmers, and hardware makers should be compensated for the time they take doing what would take me far too long to do on my own (assuming I could do it at all on my own). I believe compensating people for their time gives them the FREEDOM to pursue their dreams. Not having to do everything for myself gives ME the FREEDOM and the TIME to pursue my own goals.

            If Richard creates a structure that lets all that happen without beggaring everyone I'm happy to consider it.

          2. Naughtyhorse

            my programming skills are not up to designing an entire OS and application suite myself

            <cough>xerox<cough>

          3. Anonymous Coward
            Anonymous Coward

            really

            I do not want to worry unduly about the operating system. I certainly feel uncomfortable with the idea that I should rely on some amateur, who may or may not be a good engineer, to design and implement "fixes". I worked with someone like that - did not trust his shell scripts, let alone complex code.

            No, I am happy to pay for professionals whose job it is to know, understand and maintain the most critical part of my computing environment (I used to be one of those myself and fully appreciate the difference between a part time fixer and a professional engineer doing his job). Even Google expects its programmers to be full time professionals.

            If you want to pick up free scraps at any real cost to avoid any risk of spending money, carry on. I am too busy to waste time hunting around the internet for half-right solutions to bad implementations.

            1. Anonymous Coward
              Anonymous Coward

              BS

              "No, I am happy to pay for professionals whose job it is to know, understand and maintain the most critical part of my computing environment"

              That would be understandable in a world of well-made, eternally supported software produced by a hyper-talented elite group of honest and dedicated programmers and designers.

              In our world, on the other hand, it's pretty infantile. Much of the Internet runs on the "free scraps" you're not interested in, including all the networking on both Windows and Mac. A large section of the world depends on complex code written by amateurs for their compilers. Indeed, a great deal of real work is done in languages designed by those amateurs.

              I doubt very much that you could in fact get your work done (assuming you have any work) without the contributions of the multitude of unpaid men and women who stand behind the state of computing as it is today.

      2. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        On Stallman

        Really? Is that REALLY the case? Do you know what goes on in that man's brains? Unfortunately GPL is not really commercial friendly and that man cannot care less for developers who wants to support open source but wants to protect the monetisation of their products. (If he does, there should've been a commercially friendly GPL)

        I spent over a week of my time looking into it and just no - the only real monetisation model for opensource projects is 'support' and 'licensing'. Which really won't work when you're building a good piece of software that won't get much updates or need much support. (Hall marks of a good developer)

        I can argue as well that free(dom) software breeds incompetent coders. I'll leave you guys to ponder why.

        Another point I want to make is, his free software movement is the same as asking record artist to give out every individual tracks on their song so that listeners can mix it to their taste and/or create Karaoke versions.

        While it's great for the consumers, if you put yourselves into the shoes of the artist. I for one wouldn't want to release what rightly belongs to me where I can make the Karaoke version properly for audiences to enjoy.

        I was once an advocate of opensource before I left Uni, then I turned to business and the real world.

        On the topic of Steve Jobs. In a cut throat corporate environment, that is the type of character that can succeed, and if you're a technologist wanting to share your ideal world to the real world, the only way to do so is to succeed. I for one cannot care less if Steve Jobs was a bastard, at the very least, in my books he is way better than one Mr. Gates and respect should be paid to the dead.

        Of course, I don't expect Stallman to ever understand the concept of monetisation, because his sense of freedom is very much tied with free beer, and until Stallman or someone from the opensource community makes the distinction clearer. I have little respect for Mr. Stallman even if he did create the precursor to Linux. Because he's the root of my problems and the problems faced by software and web developers today who are struggling hard to monetise.

        If the economy is now heading in the direction of technology and depends on tech companies on growth, well here's one reason why it ain't gonna grow as quickly as previous boon industries.

    2. Richard Wharram
      Mushroom

      ...would HAVE all bought...

    3. Yet Another Commentard

      poor taste comment - feel free to skip

      '"Please just do not bring it up"

      Wow, what's the big deal with breakfast?'

      Bulimia?

    4. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      But from his usual type of bird

      I think that could hurt quite a lot.

    5. Jedit

      Health issue?

      Perhaps he has a dicky tummy, and doesn't eat breakfast because he doesn't want to bring it up?

    6. jonathanb Silver badge
      Headmaster

      Free as in freedom

      Are you free to change those programs if it doesn't quite work the way you want it to? Are you free to write your own programs for it.

      No. You have to get Apple's permission before you can run anything on your iPod, or alternatively you have to jailbreak it.

  19. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Journalistic Balance?

    Stallman rants (many Open Source fans think he has lost the plot)

    Jobs can't respond.

    Talk about a one sided article. Did they teach that at the school for El Reg Hacks?

    Personally, I have a lot to thank Mr Stallman for but I have to say he is past his 'sell by date'.

    1. Bassey

      Re: Journalistic Balance?

      What makes you believe a journalists job is to present balance? Their job is to either;

      A) Report the truth; or

      B) Present their opinion

      Nothing to do with balance. Indeed, "balance" has become the shield of lazy and/or insecure journalists. "I can't (be arsed to) check whether or not what I'm reporting is the truth so I'll just put the exact opposite at the end to cover my arse and call it "Balance". ".

      And are you SERIOUSLY suggesting that once someone has died they are beyond criticism because they are unable to respond? What a claustrophobic, narrow little world that would be. It would pretty much put an end to the study of History, too.

      Truly Bizarre.

    2. David Ward 1

      justified ranting?

      Maybe you could *thank* him for the some of those things by finding out the difference between open source and free software, which is one of his favourite 'rants'.

    3. tomsk

      Bah

      It's amazing how many people who give no sign of ever having set foot in a newsroom still feel qualified to lecture journalists about how to do their jobs. Mostly this seems to come down to thinly-veiled assertions that any story that doesn't fit the carping lecturer's preconceptions and general hobby-horses must be some kind of gross breach of journalistic ethics, 'balance' etc.

      You seem to be suggesting that hacks shouldn't report people being critical of the dead, because the dead can't respond to defend themselves. Applied consistently, this principle would have some interesting implications for the media's ability to cover all kinds of things. Obviously it ain't going to happen, and Jobs deserves no more protection than anyone else.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        !!

        But we read their stuff everyday. It is supposed to be written for us. So, as the reader, the customer, as with any other sevice, we are perfectly right to criticise their output if we feel the need. Have you, as a customer, never complained about some fault in some device or food or building, that you had no ability to produce yourself? Your are a long suffering saint.

  20. sysconfig
    Stop

    Ok, so Apple never promised to be open source, and to everyone's surprise they indeed aren't open source. (Or just to Stallman's surprise)

    Google on the other hand was announcing Android as open source initially, and we all know how they lock in vendors and go a pretty much non-open route with Android these days.

    Stallman isn't stupid. Yet he seems to support Android (more or less subtly). If he keeps repeating himself in different words every other week, it makes me wonder if he might be on Google's payroll...

  21. Wyrdness

    Spot the difference

    What's the difference between Richard Stallman and Steve Jobs?

    One's a megalomaniac who believes that he's aways absolutely right about everything.

    And the other is.... oh, wait.

    The problem is that they both had utterly different and incompatible views of what a computer should be.

    1. Ken Hagan Gold badge

      Re: Stallman's surprise

      "Ok, so Apple never promised to be open source, and to everyone's surprise they indeed aren't open source. (Or just to Stallman's surprise)"

      I don't think he is surprised, just angry. Caligula never promised to be a nice guy. Doesn't mean the Romans weren't a bit peeved about how nasty he was.

      But yeah, it would be nice if Google weren't so evil.

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Thumb Up

      spot on

      Your spot on with that.

    3. DZ-Jay

      The actual difference

      One's a megalomaniac who believes that he's always absolutely right about everything and who tries to convince the masses of his One True Way.

      And the other actually managed to before he died.

      -dZ.

    4. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      "it makes me wonder if he might be on Google's payroll"

      Are you Florian Mueller? "It's the Google behind every curtain!" Sheesh!

    5. Zack Mollusc
      Boffin

      Early Apple products encouraged people to adapt them and build circuit boards to fit in them, RMS probably remembers that time and is disappointed how far they have strayed from the hobbyist roots.

    6. JEDIDIAH
      Linux

      Lowering the bar...

      Apple is like Microsoft here. Microsoft "lowered the bar" when it came to expectations about computers in terms of security and reliability. Apple is doing the same for end user choice.

      It would be nice if we were just talking about Free Software here but the bar is even lower than that.

      Now you have systems that end users aren't even in control of. Never mind source code, people aren't even in full control of their personal data or proprietary applications. You have a system where commercial rivals are easily locked out.

      Free Software is just the tip of the iceberg here.

    7. Vic

      > Google on the other hand was announcing Android as open source initially

      That is exactly why some of us prefer licences with a strong copyleft element to them; once software is free, it remains free.

      Using licences like Apache is a deliberate position to enable people to close the source up. I generally see that as a problem...

      Vic.

  22. Rovindi
    Windows

    Eh?

    "A supply of tea with milk and sugar would be nice. If it is tea I really like, I like it without milk and sugar. With milk and sugar, any kind of tea is fine. I always bring tea bags with me, so if we use my tea bags, I will certainly like that tea without milk or sugar."

    Can someone decompile that for me?

  23. Charles Calthrop

    quotes from his rider

    Above 72 fahrenheit (22 centigrade) I find sleeping quite difficult.

    (If the air is dry, I can stand 23 degrees.)

    DON'T buy a parrot figuring that it will be a fun surprise for me.

    Please do not ask me any questions about

    what I will do breakfast. Please just do not bring it up.

    If you get a bottle of wine, I will taste it, and if I like the taste,

    I will drink a little, perhaps a glass.

    I tend to like music that has a feeling of dance in it, but I

    sometimes like other kinds too. However, I usually dislike the

    various genres that are popular in the US, such as rock, country, rap,

    reggae, techno, and composed American "folk". Please tell me what

    unusual music and dance forms are present; I can tell you if I am

    interested. If there is a chance to see folk dancing, I would

    probably enjoy that.

    If there is something else interesting and unique, please tell me

    about it. Maybe I will be interested.

    and my personal favourite

    Please do not ever mail me a file larger than 100k without asking me

    first. I almost certainly do not want to receive it in that form.

  24. Flawsious
    Devil

    After watching the 60 minute special on Jobs and just how sick "not physical" he was I wouldn't buy an Apple product!!! Give me one and I'd sell it!

  25. Alex 14
    Thumb Up

    "The important thing about Jobs is what he directed Apple to do to those who are still living: to make general-purpose computers with *digital handcuffs* more controlling and unjust than ever before."

    Apt metaphor - a lot of people in the real world find a lot of pleasure in consentual bondage.

    1. Chika
      Facepalm

      Any kind of tea is fine with milk and sugar?

      Green tea? Lemon tea? URRRGH! Sounds awful! >:b

    2. Ramazan
      Megaphone

      email attachments larger than 100k

      plaintext only, in monospaced font, not wider than 72 chars per line. And learn how to properly quote. And don't overquote.

      1. JEDIDIAH
        Linux

        > Any kind of tea is fine with milk and sugar?

        >

        > Green tea? Lemon tea? URRRGH! Sounds awful! >:b

        Are you from the UK? Have you never had American tea? I could understand your confusion then.

        If he is presented with proper "first sort" tea, he might not care about the brand or how long the leaves have been cooked. I can relate to his perspective on tea having never been able to stomach the stuff until I visited London and had the real thing.

    3. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Have you ever considered thinking for yourself instead of expecting others to think for you.

      Get off the Apple wagon and enter real life. Please.

    4. Zack Mollusc
      Facepalm

      decompiled for Rovindi.

      RMS likes to drink tea.

      If you are making him a cup of tea and you use his personal supply of tea bags, don't put milk or sugar in.

      If you are making him a cup of tea and you use the same kind of tea as those in his personal supply of tea bags, don't put milk or sugar in.

      If you are making him a cup of tea and are using a type of tea dissimilar to his personal supply of tea bags, put milk and sugar in.

      Maybe someone could do a Venn diagram?

    5. Michael Thibault

      and, of course, ...

      you'd probably have no difficulty whatsoever selling it. Realizing this, would you quibble about the price, try to get as much as you possibly could? Hmmm?

    6. Armando 123

      @Rovindi

      "Can someone decompile that for me? "

      Sorry, it made cucumber crash.

    7. Ilgaz

      so what?

      So what are you trying to achieve by pasting it? Should he be locked down? Is he a wizard to burn? Should we point fingers at him and laugh?

    8. Ilgaz

      yes

      Unlike your $10K/hour guys, he just asks for a freaking tea. He must be locked up in a cage and shown to public for that? You really dare to mock a UNIX legend's language? Heard his language credentials?

  26. Jonathan White
    FAIL

    http://thestallmandialogues.com/

    I'm sorry, but the man is plainly an ass.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Yes

      But that neither makes him wrong nor Jobs right.

  27. Vladimir Plouzhnikov

    He is right

    The Apple fans are sufferers from the Stockholm syndrome, the harder they are being raped, the more vigorously they argue that it is actually good for them and that is all they ever wanted anyway...

  28. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    "Macs are pretty digital handcuffs" is exactly what he didn't say.

    Macs are far less limiting than anything else I've used. Good use of standards.

    iPhones, etc on the other hand...

  29. Joey

    Utter nonsense

    I suspect that Stallman has never used a Mac. I have used Macs almost exclusively since they came out in 1984. I have never felt restricted in any way. In all that time, I have had exactly two hardware failures - a power supply and a Powerbook LCD screen. I have been able to sell my older models for a decent price after four years. I have personally made at least a million pounds, probably more in that time using Macs and I put that down to the fact that I was benefiting from the productivity, reliability and resale value. I would much rather pay for Photoshop than suffer with GIMP. I have just had a brief flirtation with Open Office – and dumped it. Apart from Firefox, I don't use any 'open source' software as in almost every case, there is something better. Okay, I have to pay for it but that is just a business expense and tax deductible.

  30. introiboad
    Happy

    The Stallman dialogues

    http://thestallmandialogues.com

    1. Thorsten

      Excellent analogy. Hope it's "free", since I'd like to borrow it the next time I have to argue with an Apple fan!

      1. Chris 3

        Go on then.

        Borrow it, and explain to me how 'being raped' is an apt analogy for using a Mac.

        1. Flashy Red
          Facepalm

          Crickets. Tumbleweed. He'll have to be told first.

          I use Windows, Ubuntu and OS X. Have done for years, and my preference is OS X. It's a choice, not a religious one either. The anti-this, anti-that crowds are starting to sound irritating. They should just respect the fact that people are free to make choices. End of. Move on. Nobody needs to be saved. It's all competition. It's all good.

      2. Vladimir Plouzhnikov

        @Thorsten

        Feel free to use it anywhere you like. No attribution required :-)

    2. Munchausen's proxy
      Pint

      Not to pick on you, in particular

      You (and many other Stallman critics) are describing what has been and what is here now.

      Stallman describes what he sees coming. Despite his seeming lunacy of various sorts in the present, he has been describing what he sees coming for some time; long enough to have a track record. Many of us see his track record being one of success - what seemed like bizarre ranting 20 years ago is visible every day as accepted (although deeply lamented) practice in the software patent and 'intellectual property' sphere.

      Look beyond ad hominem at the substance of his rants, and do it with an eye to the future.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Did he envision that

        A lot of competent coders would struggle to monetise their projects because of GPL? Hmm... nice one. I guess he must be a real commie back in the days (no not a criticism, just an observation).

        I don't agree with patents, but free software is like swinging from one extreme to the next. As a patent lawyer once told me. The best secret is not to file a patent and to keep it to yourself.

    3. David Ward 1

      religious?

      does anyone else see the undertones of Scientology propaganda in the OP?

    4. This post has been deleted by a moderator

    5. Ted
      Meh

      Complete nonsense, I've used all sides of the various fences, and the Apple way is clearly the most enjoyable, flexible and provides the most value.

  31. Ramazan
    Pint

    listen to the voice of reason

    Everything he says is quite reasonable and most is absolutely true:

    > Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom-denying) software.

  32. Gordon 10 Silver badge

    Mr Stallman

    Is a modern day Puritan.

    Some of us are having great fun with our pretty handcuffs.

    Now which CE vendor gives the best spanking?

    /gimpmask.

  33. slack
    Meh

    Optional

    Came to make some comments but it seems they have all been covered, but anyway..

    I respect Mr Stallman for his amazing contributions but he seems to be tilting at windmills nowadays.

    I like my iMac very much, I like it more when I'm using it to virtualise Slackware or run GIMP and various other things on what has proven (for me) to be a flexible and pleasing platform.

    Stallman should lay off Jobs since Jobs is now dead and focus on things that matter.

  34. Tegne
    Terminator

    Digital Handcuffs or Digital Lobotomy

    The users don't seem to care what they are being tied into.

  35. disgruntled yank Silver badge

    unchained

    A few weeks ago I went to install emacs on machine running Solaris 9. The experience was not especially painful, but as I recall I followed the initial package with about 5 more to fulfill dependencies identified by 'ldd'. No big deal to me--though I could easily have found other things to do that afternoon--since I've been doing this stuff for years. I don't know that it's really what most consumers are looking for.

    I do think that the freedom to tinker is a good thing, but only one of a number of good things. I have wide freedom to tinker with the two household automobiles, but in practice my tinkering ends with checking fluid levels and tire pressure--I'm happy to hand off the tinkering to those who are better at it. Some folks want to be able to adjust the timing, others just want to drive.

    I will add that a) I do use an iPhone, provided by my employer, but have never used a Mac to any extent worth mentioning, and b) emacs is my favorite editor.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      So you went to install stuff from source on a proprietary operating system which is bringing up the back of the pack when it comes to convenience, and now you're blaming the complexity of assembling the different parts on having the choice to undertake such an activity or not, perhaps just downloading a pre-made binary from some Oracle repository (if they carried on that initiative from Sun) instead, if you don't want to.

      "I'm happy to hand off the tinkering to those who are better at it. Some folks want to be able to adjust the timing, others just want to drive."

      Yes, but the whole point is that Free Software lets you choose who does the "tinkering". If you don't want to, you choose who does, not the original vendor of your equipment.

    2. Vic

      > A few weeks ago I went to install emacs on machine running Solaris 9

      An interesting anecdote, but not really relevant to discussions of Free Software, as significant chunks of Solaris are not at all Free.

      Want to see how to install emacs on a Free OS?

      yum install emacs

      HTH

      Vic.

      1. disgruntled yank Silver badge

        HTH? NTDNH.

        @Vic: Thanks, but No, That Does Not Help. After all, a) I know yum perfectly well, and b) I or a co-worker needed emacs on a particular Solaris box. Soaris may not be Free, but that particular machine is Paid For.

        @AC: I'm not blaming anybody for anything. I'm suggesting that there are different markets in computer land, and that those in the different markets have differing priorities.

        @Both: I first installed Linux using RPMs downloaded to floppies, and in fact I'm astonished at how much the ease of installation and configuration has improved over the years. I think it's great stuff, I couldn't do without it. I question whether it has the answer to all questions.

    3. Flashy Red
      FAIL

      Picking on the dead is easier for him. Bit of an arse, really.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        He picked on Jobs plenty when he was still alive. Is dying now the ultimate riposte which deflects all criticism and forgives all sins?

    4. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      RE: Digital Handcuffs or Digital Lobotomy

      Especially Winblows users!

  36. Bill B

    Handcuffs?

    The guy annoys me, but he's an evangelist, and they're always annoying if you don't agree with them.

    However, the idea that digital handcuffs are evil is misplaced. Anything that ties you in to a particular technology is a handcuff. The fact that i have to run software on a computer is a handcuff of sorts .. if computers disappear what do I run it on then? I'm handcuffed to electricity, I'm handcuffed to networks, I'm handcuffed to the technology that makes our present computer system work.

    The handcuff question is more "if this technology disappears, then what will you do". So Apple's handcuffs come down to "if Apple disappeared, what happens to all your Apple protected and apple run content?". That's the handcuff.

    What my content runs on is quite frankly irrelevant, as long as it can be moved. so lets have a look at this .. Apple fall down a great big hole tomorrow .. what happens?

    a) My music is OK .. it's not protected and can be played elsewhere

    b) Video content. The stuff bought off apple is toast (so that's er .. none). The stuff loaded or obtained from other sources is viewable. However, this is a content provider issue, not an apple issue. It's the same issue for any video .. content creators at the moment insist that their content is protected. If Mr Stallman can come up with a platform independent protection system, fine.

    c) Books. Yup, my iBooks collection is gone (all one of them). My Kindle collection survives (until Kindle goes to the wall). Again, this is a content creation thing.

    d) My documents. If I've created something in an Apple specific format then I've lost it. However, I am not sure how proprietary Apple's formats are and whether documents (notes, docs, spreadsheets, calendars, contact lists) can be translated or imported.

    So I feel that talking about digital handcuffs is a bit overblown.

  37. Chronos Silver badge

    If it were anyone other than rms?

    Is the message wrong, or is it just because it's rms, who is an idealist, bringing the message that draws all the harshness?

    They're *both* wrong. Non-free software can be ethical, providing you have a choice in what it does and how it is used. Unfortunately, Apple takes this one step further and produces non-free *devices*. Tell me truthfully, who owns your iPhone? Apple? Your service provider? If you've answered "me!" then you haven't thought about the principle of ownership. How can you own something when its software dictates to you?

    What is owned is you, by the device. Continue along this slippery slope at your peril.

  38. RichyS
    Stop

    Comic Book Guy

    Can anyone else read Stallman's speaking rider without reverting to the voice of the Simpson's Comic Book Guy after a sentence or two?

    I don't think it can be done.

    Stallman is an arse.

  39. Dan Wilkie

    Bloody Hell

    She's a bit needy isn't she?

  40. Richard Wharram
    Meh

    To be fair

    ...he's not having a go at Macs is he ? (can't be arsed to re-read.)

    iOS is very locked-down and increasingly has patents to stop anyone doing anything similar. It seems fairly likely that Jobs would have liked Macs to be more like iOS.

    Stallman may be a bit hatstand, and I may have just bought an iPhone, but that doesn't mean that the recent trends Apple is bringing to computing aren't a bit worrying.

    There was a point but I've forgotten it.

  41. Kay Burley ate my hamster

    Yup

    Apple's iOS devices can only install applications approved and distributed by Apple.

    They are the opposite of open.

  42. Arthur the cat Silver badge
    Big Brother

    Six of one, half a dozen of the other

    "Of all tyrannies a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive."

    Jobs and Stallman both insist(ed) people Do The Right Thing, but with diametrically opposed ideas of what TRT was. The Perlers have got it right - there's more than one way to do it.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      If my phone wasn't controlled by Apple it would be by the first Linux dick having a chance to have his shit installed on my "free and open" phone. It looks like from a consumer point of view, the only freedom the Linux dicks care about is theirs. In fact, they want their shit to dominate. Domination doesn't quite get on with "real" freedom and choice, does it?

      1. Vladimir Plouzhnikov

        @AC

        "If my phone wasn't controlled by Apple"

        Did you ever considered possibility that your phone might be controlled by you instead of by somebody else?

  43. MooseMonkey
    Happy

    I'm a Mac User (I confess)

    I don't care if it has digital handcuffs, it does all I want it to do, and I don't have time to piss around with it to make it do other things anyway.

    It is pretty, had to be, so the Wife Acceptance Factor was high enough for me to be able to leave it around the house without getting shouted at.

    My fridge is just a fridge, I bought it knowing it just keeps things cold, I'm not going to get annoyed or outraged that I have been prevented turning it into an effing toaster.

    Some people just want to use things the way they come out of the box. If that makes me stupid in your eyes, great, I'll live.

    Flame away :-)

    1. Framitz
      Thumb Up

      You use the product as an appliance and that's OK for many people.

      It is refreshing to read an honest response instead of the foaming at the mouth fanboi rants.

      Thank you

      1. TheOtherHobbbes

        And that is...

        the point.

        The Jobsian 'vision' was all about turning complex computing technology into aspirational brightly-coloured shiny happy-home appliances.

        An iPod is a music appliance. And iPhone is a communication appliance with some app-iness thrown in. A Mac is a computing appliance. (And as OS X gets more and more crayon-ish, it's getting more appliancey by the day.)

        Add a bit of stylish industrial design as a wrapper and some keynote ra-ra and marketing mystique, and that's all you need to know about Apple's success.

        The lock-in only offends geeks who like to tinker. But realistically, what percentage of the population wants to customize a hoover or a toaster?

        Stallman still thinks it's 1970, and the only people who matter are people who code for fun.

        But realistically, libre/free/whatever only works when it becomes an appliance itself.

        Wordpress is a brilliant blogging appliance.

        Linux on the desktop is - not an appliance., It's a tool for people who enjoy playing with tools and tinkering.

        Stallman fundamentally doesn't get two things:

        1. Most people just want IT that more or less works.

        2. Non-hackers are just as locked out of open source as they are out of closed source products.

        So where's the freedom? If he'd spent more time promoting a consistent, reliable and satisfying experience for ordinary non-geek users, he'd be easier to take seriously.

        But that's never interested him. His 'freedom' is only for people almost exactly like him.

        When that excludes at least 90% of IT users, it's not real freedom at all.

    2. darkmage0707077
      Thumb Up

      Great to Hear It

      Actually, I think it's great that you know what you want and buy accordingly. Actually takes you out of the usual crowd who just follow what everyone else is doing without thinking about it.

      I don't want to take the pretty-and-guaranteed-working option away from those who want it and like it. What I'm worried about Apple doing, though, is taking away MY super-customizable-unrestricted-access option via their me-too preasure on other players in the market and current pattent trolling behavior.

    3. Vladimir Plouzhnikov

      "My fridge is just a fridge, I bought it knowing it just keeps things cold, I'm not going to get annoyed or outraged that I have been prevented turning it into an effing toaster."

      But I bet you will be if your fridge will only allow you to put stuff bought from Tesco in it.

  44. Chad H.

    Stallman is just as bad

    As he's just as fanatical.

    Theres a time and place for open; and a time and place for closed. Phones are better closed to ensure their critical functionality (Calls; texts; internet access) isn't compromised. Normal Desktop PCs are better open as they're supposed to be do anything machines.

  45. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Idiot

    "He designed them to refuse even to let users install their own choice of applications — and installing free (freedom-respecting) applications is entirely forbidden," wrote Stallman.

    He obviously never used a Mac then...

    You can download just about anything and install it.

    1. Flashy Red
      Childcatcher

      Had me confused, too. An arse, and a fibber.

    2. Ilgaz

      For now

      App store for desktop and signed binaries. Wake up.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        RE: For now

        What are you on about?

  46. Ted
    Meh

    Stallman Clueless as Usual

    Richard doesn't like people to have great devices unencumbered by technical glitches. His whole premise is computing devices should be complex, poorly made, so to retain his finger hold on the 1980's.

    Sorry Richard, Apple users have moved up to a higher plane of existence...

  47. Gil Grissum
    Pint

    Apple isn't Evil. Jobs wasn't Evil. FACEBOOK IS WHERE THE EVIL IS.

  48. reder
    Thumb Up

    Right, but too little, too late

    While open sourcers were not looking (as they were obsessed with MSFT) SJ robbed (as usual) their pockets (BSD, gcc, khtml, cups to name a few).

    MSFT now looks like a non profit NGO compared to AAPL.

    1. Steve Todd
      FAIL

      Did you stop to check

      if Apple had contributed back to those projects?

      WebKit (you know, the thing that drives the Android browser and Google Chrome among others) is an Apple sponsored KHTML fork.

      CUPS they liked so much that they bought the source of the original developer's company and hired him to maintain it.

      GCC they contribute to, but don't like much, hence their sponsorship of the CLANG compiler and LLVM which has a much faster incremental compile time, works better in a multi-threaded environment and can be integrated inside of a development environment, rather than having to shell out to a separate process.

      BSD? OS-X isn't actually BSD. It uses BSD user apps, but the Mach kernel. Anybody who wants it can download the source (look up XNU sometime).

      Apple have nothing against open source, providing it doesn't encroach on their IP. They've even got a rather large page listing OS projects they're involved it.

  49. Christian Berger Silver badge

    The more interresting question is...

    Why is there even a discussion about this? Both sides seem to believe that they are right by logic. Of course you can always consider the other group to be full of idiots, but isn't that to simple?

    I'm personally on the pro-Stallman front here. I acknowledge that he takes on an extreme view, however compared to what Apple used to do in the past, even Macs are severely limited by software.

  50. Phil O'Sophical Silver badge
    Thumb Up

    Tour rider

    Great stuff. If the FSF ever goes titsup, Stallman can at least get a job writing Microsoft EULAs.

  51. Mage Silver badge

    I hate to say it.

    Stallman at times seems close to a raving lunatic.

    But on this he is talking sense.

  52. Marlan
    Headmaster

    Just another guy wanting to blame others for his own blindness

    It seems that nowadays, when most things are failing, anything that is successful (especially globally) is the butt for ire and demonisation. Stallman is just another tired old guy who cannot stand to see the small guy succeed and can only shower his bile and envy on those that contradict his obsessive and weary 'rationalistic' ideals. They can't admit their beliefs are wrong, so they look for the 'devil' as an excuse. You'd think witch-hunting was a thing of the past, but then, guys like him are stuck in the past where you are either god or the devil with no greys in between. Get thee behind me Satan-oops--StallMan!

  53. Shock Me
    FAIL

    Actually met Stallman....

    He has been living off speaking fees by saying all manner of challenging things. At one time he was recommending we purchase air conditioners and copy machines before wasting money on computers in the classroom.

    He makes it all seem very reasonable and you only have questions long after he has cashed the honorarium.

    The key thing to remember is that REAL handcuffs are NOT voluntary and that they are backed with the threat of state-sponsored legalized violence.

    If you don't like the restrictions that Apple outline in their EULAs don't buy their products! Gee! You are free the whole time! Who da thunk it?

  54. GotThumbs
    Linux

    Just need to wake up the Apple disciples still grieving a GREAT SALESMAN/CONMAN

    Try loading anything onto an IOS product WITHOUT iTunes or going through apple. You can't. Apple HAS created a closed environment that many don't realize and that's the concern. Many are blind to the fact that Apple has 100% control over you and the vendors who want access to you as a consumer. NO ONE can sell anything through Itunes without APPLE getting ~30%.

    Microsoft gets sued for its integrated web-browser, but NEVER prevented its users from downloading and using another. I'm still in disbelief how Apple has still not been sued for the locked down environment it commands over people who seem blinded by flashy fashion focused shells. I don't deny the simplicity....but I will NEVER give my freedom of choice away as all Apple IOS users have.

    Their computers are INTEL driven computers in a fashionable shell, but people pay twice the cost of similar spec'd PC. Why? Because their lacking knowledge and quickly focus on the shiny distraction. The old adage is still true....A fool and his money are quickly parted.

    1. Steve Todd
      FAIL

      Where are they then?

      Show us these similarly spec'd PCs that are half the price. They don't exist. Either they have cut corners (so the spec ISN'T the same) or their price isn't much different. In some cases the Mac is cheaper (Air vs Ultrabooks as a case in point).

      Microsoft got into trouble not because they included an integrated web browser, but because they forced OEMs to ship Windows machines with only that browser. Apple has no OEM clients to force their browser on, and users are free to download third party browsers from the App store. Many are even free.

      1. JEDIDIAH
        Devil

        You get to choose the corner

        > Show us these similarly spec'd PCs that are half the price.

        > They don't exist. Either they have cut corners

        Well that's the rub. If you buy a PC, you get to decide what corners you want cut. If you buy and Apple, you simply have no choice. You either take what the corporate overlord wants to sell you or you do without completely.

        Sucks if you've got any investment in iTunes content with DRM or expensive proprietary apps.

        With a PC, I can pick my tradeoffs and spend 1/2 or 1/3 or 1/4 the price.

        It's ultimately the same spare parts made by other companies with production outsourced to China.

  55. Peter 48
    Big Brother

    missing the point

    The problem isn't really that iOS is not customisable or proprietary, there is nothing wrong with apple choosing to make it impossible to alter their devices. The problem lies with the fact that they also restrict any interaction with their devices. You are only allowed to use software supplied by apple to sync with it or even access it for that matter. You are only allowed to purchase applications from one apple controlled source. If you want to make a physical connection you have to use one apple patented connector. All media is vetted by apple and if they don't like it you can't have it. A world that was designed around Job's dream would even make the staunchest of Stalinist's weep with joy, where there would only be one company, one way of thinking, one way of using and one way of living. A world where If you don't like it or it doesn't work then you are wrong.

  56. Flashy Red
    Facepalm

    Hmmm

    Stallman is starting to sound like a batshit insane Ayotollah. Jobs wasn't The Messiah, sure; he was possible a very naughty boy, in some ways. But he valued good design, which is a big plus for us mere mortals, and those wall-gardens (or gated communities?) help keep the riff raff out and the ecosystem under control. Probably, anathema to engineering tinker bells but most definitely not evil.

    Ordinary people just want their shit to work. I've seen what some unfettered engineers can produce and sometimes it isn't pretty. But, hey, they can go play with Android.

  57. JEDIDIAH
    Linux

    Another wrinkle...

    I think one thing that bothers a lot of people here is the new idea that Apple fanboys have been pushing to support their Messiah 2.0 platform. That idea is the notion that you need to have the computing equivalent of 1984 in order to have a secure system. This is an idea that Apple itself and the fanboys didn't push until relatively recently. Once their glorious leader declared the new direction they all decided to ignore the previous propaganda en masse in favor of the new propaganda.

    The idea that open systems can't be secured or made easy is nonsense. Apple's own products disproved that. There is nothing necessary or useful about Apple's current approach.

    It simply seems to suit Apple as the new Microsoft.

  58. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    About this article...

    If I may say, I liked Gavin Clarke's original article better. It reported on Stallman's comments and the subsequent reaction, and then moved on to actually provide some substantial background and analisys of the issues it touched on.

    By contrast, this article is nothing more than a selection of quotes, largely out of context, apparently chosen for no other reason than to have a laugh at Stallman's expense.

    The last paragraph, picking out his "requests" (which they are not) for tea and Pepsi, out of a fairly standard 1161-line info pack... well, I found that totally unprofessional and uncalled for. Has News Corp. bought El Reg or something?

    I should say, I have neither sympathy nor animosity towards Stallman or anyone else mentioned in this story, and neither am I of a mind to defend anyone's comments, particularly as I believe they might indeed have been tactless and superficial. All I'm saying is that I expect more from El Reg. I quite like the outrageous over-the-topness of some articles here, as long as they provide some substance along with the entertainment. Sadly, I don't think this article has provided either.

    Thank you for listening, and I apologise for the verbiage.

  59. JDX Gold badge

    Tea

    If he always brings his own tea, why does he spend a paragraph blithering on about which kinds he likes?

  60. Anonymous Coward
    FAIL

    Bullshit

    I respect Stallman, really I do, but on this, he's just gone too far.

    For goodness sake, the bulk of the population of this planet can't even afford and iPhone, let alone an iMac or iPad - there's *far* more pressing matters at hand.

    Amongst those of us fortunate to be able to afford these devices, probably 99% of them don't know who Stallman is, don't care about Apple's "walled garden" approach and simply want a device which works for them.

    That leaves a tiny fraction of the world population - and I mean really tiny - who would have an educated opinion on this. Out of that tiny fraction, there will be a percentage who will agree with Stallman and that won't.

    So ultimately, whatever Stallman says on the issue of Apple and Jobs doesn't amount to anything at all - it won't so much fall on deaf ears, as not even be noticed - a pin dropping in an empty room.

    Really, he should focus his efforts on more productive endeavours - like making better foss. Nobody likes a negative bitching session, Stallman, move on, this horse has been flogged.

  61. Joe User

    Evil? No.

    Control freak? Yes.

  62. Arclight

    An apple a day

    Despite Apple trying to project a friendly image to the end user, as opposed to the evil MS monster, I'm relieved MS got there first. Can you imagine a world without MS, one where Apple rules the PC market?

    Every PC would be an Apple, all software approved by Apple, no home build PC's, no variety, no choice, and most likely an internet so heavily restricted by the Church of Jobs sites like El Reg would not exist (can you imagine Apple allowing this level of heresy?). As bad as it is being reliant on MS for the worlds operating system, it would be far worse under the magic Apple

  63. Ilgaz

    forget rms and gpl

    Can anyone explain why the beloved Siri isn't available for iphone 4g?

  64. Madboater

    What Stallman needs to realise is Apple or any other company just give customers what they want. Its the customers that should realise the consiquences of their choices.

    Openness is just another feature, it is not a wildly wanted feature, hence it is not included in many major software packages.

    The reason it is not a wildy wanted feature is possibly more to do with peoples understanding of what chosing a closed system means. Stallman should be putting his efforts into educating the users rather than the suppliers. I personly think the answer is open file formats and data storage, but this is becoming less relivent with cloud based computing and storage as we stand less chance of being able to transfure data from one service to another (see google/facebook data exchange issues).

    I am a fan of Linux and android, however even after undertanding the consiquences of all the facts i still recomended an Ipad for my wife as it was the most suitable choice for her needs.

  65. Hoop-a-joop

    I read 3 pages of comments about fascism, evil, profit, greed and open-source and there wasn't one comment about America being murderous, evil, greedy and the like.

    What is El Reg and it's band of small minded lurkers coming to?

  66. vincent himpe

    waa waa whaaaa

    crybabies ! Look, i don't like OS-X or ios either , and for the same reasons: it's closed and a guilded cage. You can't fidget with it. But face it : in terms of friendlyness and easy to use ... nothing comes close. So yeah i have an iphone too. My PC's are all self built and i dabble in linux a bit too. Crying that iphone and mac kill 'free stuff' is just bullshit. If people wanna buy that, let them.

    Besides there is nothing that prevents the open source community or Stallman himself to come up with a more attractive and even easier to use platform, do some killer marketing , build some really slick hardware, put it in a nice box and sell bajillions of it. But that means getting up and DOING something. Trying to sell a polished version of emacs isn't going to work... that's not what the big mass of people want. Same for loopey looney or whatever latest ubuntu is called these days or 'ice cream sandwich' or whatver droid is called.

    Yeah i have a droid tablet ( actually i got two : one with 2.whatever and one with 3.1) and they are mediocre user experiences at best... ( no i don't have an ipad.. can't comment on that )

    The droids lock up , scrolling isn't smooth and battery life is total and utter crap. The damn thing doesn't even have something simple like a spell checker. come on people... it's 2011... where is all this killer 'make-your-life-easy' stuff that we have been promised since the 80's.

    The main problem with linux / android is that it is waaaay to fragmented. There are so main builds and strains , almost none that are comaptible with each other, you have to fidget with it to get it working right.

    If someone were to make 1 system with 1 hardware spec and really tune the hell out of it, preinstall it , polish the user interface and make some programs for it that are actually feature complete and work right, you could do the same as Apple. But right now : it is a hobbyist / tinkerer platform that is no where near ripe to unleash to the unwashed masses.

    Don;t get me wrong , it is great to play and tinker with the system , but that is NOT what the big masses want. They want to snap a few pictures, effortless correct them and send them too fabesook or flitter or grandma. They don't need to grep -r ls -l tar or all that other stuff...

    As for emacs .... meh .. it's 2011. wysiwyg with spell checker is what i want... preferrably with imbedding of images, tables and more. And if it's to write code : give me a full blown ide with built in debugging , autocomplete and realtime code checking a-la visual studio.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: As for emacs ....

      ...and what about if you're having to do remote administration over a 4800 baud satlink, as some of us do? Or you are blind, or a fast touch-typist whose productivity increases by not having to reach for the mouse?

      I do not particularly like emacs. In fact, I gave up trying to learn it over 15 years ago and stuck to vi[m] (or sometimes pico) ever since, but a) there is a market for emacs nevertheless, and b) I do think you provide the wrong kind of arguments against it.

      1. Steve Todd
        FAIL

        The world should revolve around people

        who edit text files over a 4.8K satellite link? Somewhat of an outlier there don't you think?

        EMACS wasn't even very good as a mainframe terminal editor, take a look at IBMs LPEX or PMED on the old PRIME minis.

        1. JEDIDIAH
          Linux

          "hating" on emacs

          This "hating" on emacs quite nicely highlights the "fanboy" problem.

          Not everyone is the same sort of extra from an Apple SuperBowl ad. Some of us "think different" and have different requirements. Some of those requirements might be quite techical, or simply being able to recieve large numbers of text messages and not go insane cleaning them up afterwards.

          Apple has a totalitarian approach. If they only abused their own customers it would be fine. However, they also insist on limiting everyone else's choices. They aren't just some hippies keeping to themselves in their own commune. They are more like a notorious band of fascist invaders.

          You should be at liberty to use the right tool for the job.

      2. vincent himpe

        some of us..

        so because a very few need to edit text over a 4800 baud link the whole worlds needs to locked to stoneage technology ? not good....

        If, in todays age, you still use a 4800 baud link over satphone : find a new employer that can afford better links. Modern satphones are way faster than that !

        I daily use a hex editor to poke around in rommable code or disk sectors... should we resolve that all keyboards only have 0..9 and a to F and mandate people to access their harddisk file system on track/sector/head level ?

        Point is : apple makes stuff for the masses. And apparently the masses like it. That is, until something easier to use / more attractive/ more features/ comes along.

  67. Rambo 1

    No Free Apps??

    "He designed them to refuse even to let users install their own choice of applications — and installing free (freedom-respecting) applications is entirely forbidden," wrote Stallman.

    Gee, I could have sworn I had OpenOffice on my MacBook. Maybe Stallman was right and I just imagined it. This tosser is a decade or more past being relevant.

  68. Anonymous Coward
    Thumb Down

    Not evil?

    Fourteen people committed suicide at a factory making Apple products. Did Steve Jobs care? NO! One person failed in their attempt and ended up in hospital, paralysed from the waist down, with organ damage.

    All Jobs cared about was money. He NEVER once spoke out against corporations and how they steal the labour and lives of others - sweatshops DO NOT develop economies because the workers never earn enough to stimulate domestic demand - basic economics! All rich countries developed using PROTECTIONISM, not by opening up their economies to exploitation by foreign corporations.

    Google without quotation marks "multinationalmonitor Bad Samaritans: How Rich Country “Help” Hurts the Developing World" for an interview with a professor of economics at Cambridge University.

    Search youtube for

    "IMF & World Bank are weapons of war , by John Pilger"

    "John Pilger - The New rulers of The World"

    Poverty is the biggest cause of child prostitution.

    Did Steve Jobs help fund any organization that opposes the right-wing, corporate-controlled mass media outlets? No! There's so much he could have done, but he did none of it.

    I expect plenty of thumbs down because it's just not "cool" anymore to give a damn, such is the nightmare world people like Jobs have helped bring about.

    We're human resources, factors of production, and we buy products - that's all there is to life now.

    1. Flashy Red
      Thumb Down

      Ahem, last time I looked, pretty much all CEMs and OEMs operated out of Asia. So don't go laying the blame at Jobs' feet. If you use a consumer electronics device of any sort then you, the consumer, are as much a contributor to global poverty and poor working conditions as the next person. Scapegoating one organisation just makes the accuser sound like a hypocrite.

  69. Anonymous Coward
    Mushroom

    Economic implosion!

    @Armando123, just like someone brainwashed with corporate propaganda: your taxes go towards subsidizing corporations. Vodafone refused to pay £6 BILLION it owed this country in taxes - the so-called coalition government said, keep it, it's yours! Google's worldwide effective tax rate is 2.3% - it shifts all its UK profits through an Irish subsidiary to avoid UK tax. Tax avoidance is legal; tax evasion is not.

    What about the politicians (the trend started with Thatcher) making the financial sector 30% of this country's GDP, making us dependent on gambling and increasing house prices for our wealth? We run a constant trade deficit, because manufacturing was never considered a very important prop to the economy - hence, we are always borrowing. And with sky-high house prices, we're borrowing even more - houses should be sold at cost.

    The reality is the world has FINITE RESOURCES - you can't have constant, incessant economic growth without stealing from other nations, and then, eventually, from your own nation, which is exactly what is happening now. Corporate globalization and privatization is about just that. The US privatized health system costs up to twice as much, yet it's what we're slowly getting. In the 1990s, the Conservatives said there was no new money for the railways, so they had to be privatized. After privatization, the Tories MORE THAN TRIPLED public subsidies to the railways, only now the money went to private companies who awarded their CEOs fat bonuses for accepting welfare. Those subsidies remained at that high level all through "New Labour's" decade in power, even as railway firms laid off staff and increased ticket prices.

    In the past, most excess profits were re-invested in businesses to create growth - now, thanks to a globalized financial system, most of the money is shifted from country to country in search of a quick profit.

    You moan about taxes, but not about exploiting "Third World" labour so you can have cheap goods - well, not so cheap after the corporations have hiked the price, on branded clothes, on the iPhone, etc., etc.

    If you think giving corporations everything they want and having everything privatized is going to make things cheaper, you're sorely mistaken.

  70. Peter Snow
    Thumb Up

    I agree with Richard Stallman

    Sounds spot on. I can't believe it when I see supposedly I.T. professionals brandishing iPhones.

    Apple is so incompatible with the aims of I.T. in general (the free moving of information, freedom of speech and freedom of choice).

    My current phone is a Nokia E72 but with Nokia giving up on Symbian and partnering with Microsoft, that only leaves me with a semi-evil Android phone (maybe from HTC) but take that away and then what's my choice?

    I'm beginning to think that there is a big business opportunity for a company to make a truly Open Source phone. I'm sure that any company that does that, will grow quickly and that is the only way to combat those who would enslave us to expensive proprietary software (along with all the privacy concerns that brings with it as well).

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      A truly Open Source phone

      Meaning http://www.openmoko.org/ ?

  71. chebucto
    Pirate

    He was and is right

    Stallman is right again. No surprise there. No controversy, either. Nothing in this article deviates from what I already know about him; as always, he is sticking to his basic position that software freedom is important and worth fighting for. Same on El Red for trying (and failing) to pain Stallaman's essay as an irrational screed.

  72. itzman
    Headmaster

    Look..its not a computer, its an appliance stoopid.

    Its is pointless to rage about Job's lockdown, as pointless as raging that you cant install linux on a washing machine.

    Apple products are NOT computers. They are consumer appliances and fashion accessories.

    Jobs' genius was to recognise that the world is full of rich people who are too stupid to use a computer, so he gave them Apple Macs, I Pods I phones and all the rest, instead.

    Fine. Get over it.

    For people who are not too stupid to use a computer, we have *nix. End of story.

    1. MooseMonkey

      I'm not too stupid

      Very arrogant statement itzman.

      I'm not too stupid, just can't be bothered to take home work with me. I've worked in the sharp end of It for 20 years, and have built and rolled out over 15,000 desktops in the last 12 months.

      When I get home, I've had enough, and want to spend time with my lovely wife and go play on my bike.

      You calling me stupid is about the same as me assuming you have a beard and are single, just cos you like to build your own PCs.

      I'm sorry if I don't fit into your sterotype, but life sucks like that doesn't it.

      (PS, being an engineer, I could build my own fridge too, but I didn't)

    2. MrcX
      Holmes

      @itzman - use one before

      Sorry itzman, but you're full of it. Did you ever use Mac OS? you can do anything on it as you can on a "*nix" computer, as you call them, but then without the regular debugging sessions, if you refer to *nux. just give it an unbiased try if you can.

      Looks like all of the "experts" in this forum are not aware iOS and Mac OS are not the same thing, like the author of the article.

  73. the-it-slayer
    WTF?

    Anyone believing in their own distorted reality field that you can't install apps without Apple's approval...

    Rubbish to you.

    Anyone can develop a private app, test it, and install it without Apple's approval. The walled garden only applies to publicly sellable apps. Makes sense when security on a mobile device is key. Most of you try and justify the negative aspects of Apple's control over content.

    People like Stallman and anyone justifiying his opinions... Step back, take another look and get back to me.

    Android will die or at least struggle with its openness. One virus will appear somewhere and damage Android's rep,

  74. Richard Neill

    Patents really are immoral

    Locking down your own platform is wrong, but at least consumers have a choice.

    But using a patent for anything other than self-defense is immoral. Asserting patent "rights" is an attack on freedom of thought, and to use this legal weapon is unjust and hypocritical (if you stand on the shoulders of giants, you don't deserve to monopolise your own microscopic incremental invention).

    Let's be clear: just because it is legal doesn't make it right. It was once legal to own people as property, but decent human beings chose not to have slaves. Likewise, choosing not to assert a patent is choosing not to to assert an unjust power over the independent thought of another.

    Stallman may be a gadfly; he is frequently tactless; but I've never known him be wrong yet...

  75. A J Stiles

    The dead can't defend themselves .....

    ..... but even if he were still alive, Jobs is way beyond defencibility.

    Apple products are grooming users into accepting restrictions as a fact of life.

    It's undeniable that most people aren't programmers and wouldn't know what to do with Source Code, but in no measure does that excuse withholding it. Source Code isn't important to most people -- but to those to whom it is important, it is very important indeed.

    Most people didn't understand the schematic diagram that used to be pasted to the inside of most old valve radios, either; it was just so many lines and symbols. But that wasn't important -- those diagrams were really for the benefit of repairers, and anybody who understood electronics well enough would be able to make sense of such a diagram. Without the diagram, it might well take even an expert unfeasibly long to repair a fault, to the point where their time would be more expensive than a new set.

    Most post-war radios had five or six valves (not counting the fact that some valves are effectively two or more electrode systems in one bottle; taking this into account, a MW / LW radio contains effectively 8 valves, and adding FM introduced another three). The Intel Core 2 Duo processor alone contains nearly three hundred million "valves".

    The wiring diagram is, effectively, the Source Code of an electronic device: It allows any sufficiently-competent person to repair faults, make modifications and replicate functionality.

    When certain radio manufacturers amassed the financial clout to afford their own dealership networks, those diagrams began disappearing, with copies being issued only to manufacturers' preferred partners and often under conditions, such as "Don't touch anyone else's kit if you want to stay friends" and sometimes "Don't charge less than this much even for a quick fix, and try to persuade them if possible that they would be better off buying a new set". Smaller manufacturers relied on independents who could not meet such onerous conditions, and the vertically-integrated majors effectively squoze them out of the market -- after which, the major manufacturers were free to hike up prices.

    Apple's slick service is blinding consumers to the fact that they are effectively trapped.

    If I need a feature adding to GNU/Linux, or any Free application, I have a choice: I can add it myself; or I can pay *any* competent programmer to do it for me, and they will be doing it on *my* terms. I can take as many estimates for the work as I like and choose the one I like the best. If you need a feature adding to some non-Free, proprietary software, you have *no* choice: only the vendor can make changes, and it comes on *their* terms.

    I hope people will learn the difference before it is too late.

    Imagine a civilisation which had become entirely dependent for its day-to-day existence on a technology which they didn't even realise was proprietary until it failed, and nobody was able to repair it. Except you don't need to imagine it; because that was what happened to the Romans when the aqueducts failed, and people began dying for want of clean water. It took over another thousand years just to get back to the same level of technology.

  76. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    personally i dont find neither mac nor iphone intuitive or even usable. whenever i had to use mac's it was always an extremely irritating experience. just looking at a macbook on a coffee table, surrounded by empty cups and newspapers... nothing to suggest a work of art.

  77. Watashi

    Opium eaters

    In a liberal democratic capitalist economy, the principle of private ownership underpins our whole political philosophy. The idea that the goods I buy belong to me and that no-one can tell me what I can and can't do with them (within the laws of the State) is a fundamental right, up there with my right to sell goods and services, the right to vote and the right to a fair trial.

    When you buy an iPhone, Apple are asking you to waive your right to ownership of your own property. A government that is doing its job should not allow this any more than it should allow you to sell your vote. Problem is, our governments quite like Apple because governments don't actually believe in the principle of private ownership of property. They want you to pay for expensive gadgets, but only want you to use them in ways that serve their purposes.

    As Adam Smith said in The Wealth of Nations

    "Civil government, so far as it is instituted for the security of property, is, in reality, instituted for the defense of the rich against the poor, or of those who have property against those who have none at all."

    Companies like Apple deprive people of their basic rights with the tacit approval of elected governments on the basis that it's better for all concerned if citizens act like mindless sheep. Unelected company bosses like Jobs are believed to be in a better position to decide how we use our own phones than we ourselves are. The fact that so many idiots are happy to trade their hard-won rights for a few shiny baubles threatens the rights of the rest of us. If it ever becomes generally accepted that companies have the right to stop consumers from carrying out legal activities with their products, then liberal capitalist democracy will be dead and we should sign up to the communist manifesto ASAP on the basis that, given a choice over who owns all property on our behalf, it's probably safer if the government does the job than despotic industrialists like Steve Jobs.

  78. Anteaus
    Devil

    Illegal to install downloaded apps?

    But that is also true of Windows with bundled NIS. In fact it's worse, the download gets automatically deleted without the user's consent if it's not recognised as one approved by Norton.

  79. Araxian
    WTF?

    funny

    what i find funny is apple is losing the mobile market exactly the same way they lost the "general purpose computer" market.

    those who do not learn from the past are doomed to repeat it.

    the original and up to '95 macs were much more open and were well beyond the pc's at the time.

    they were allowing clones, they were participating in compatibility projects between platforms.

    then they hired Steve Jobs back again. gone clones gone compatibility. All reign the walled garden.

    Just as windows 95 and 98 launched and took over. Apple went to a 10% market share and haven't strayed since + or - a few percentage point but never regained what they had.

    even though windows was proprietary source code it had a much more open api.

    apple tries to sue ms for patent infringement on multiple grounds as it cant compete with an open hardware platform. apple loses.

    enter ios vs android mobile

    ios is the same idea as what mac os became carried to the extreme, complete lock down, only one way to interface and thats thru apple.

    Android starts gaining market share after manufacturers see its viable and starts a fairly rapid uptake, which it now dominates the mobile market and every quarter apple is loosing more market share now @ 24% will prob drop to 10-12% and settle there same as pc market as apple never learns.

    apple seeing its market share dwindling fast tries the same move it tried and failed with Microsoft, suing not the Google itself this time but handset manufacturers because apple knows itll lose against google and then they cant sue anyone else.

    also again same move that failed last time suing with overly broad patents that have no real basis.

    Will apple ever learn?

    android mostly open source, with an open market and very open api.

  80. Ian Johnston
    WTF?

    Bizarre Myth

    Why do so many people think that you can only install Apple-approved apps on iOS devices? Give Apple $100 for the developer kit and you can install anything you want from your MacOS device. That's how all the proprietary apps in hospitals, factories and so on get onto iPhones and iPads.

  81. Peter Hewitt
    WTF?

    Stallman's Rider

    I am appalled that there is no dedicated article to the amazingly preposterous rider so cruelly relegated to a mere footnote.

    Sort it out or my bookmarks shall be getting an edit.

  82. Melanie Winiger

    Mr Stallman is quite shocking to me.

    Forget El Reg's article

    Just read this again

    https://secure.mysociety.org/admin/lists/pipermail/developers-public/2011-October/007647.html

    That is scary.

    That is a scary human being.

    Really.

    I wouldn't want him on our spare sofa even though it's preferable for him to stay there as it avoids giving his name to a Hotel - "Orwellian State control" according to Mr. Stallman.

    Personally, I do give my name to hotels, I collect a few Hotel Points, get late checkouts and free meals for the kids.

    It's called "being practical".

  83. MrcX

    macs? or iOS devices

    Well, either the author of the article does not know how to quote the bearded guy (co.uk... country of the Sun, right?), or he's full of shit. "Macs are pretty handcuffs", and the the entire article bashes on and on the... right. iOS devices. Are we talking Macs, or iOS devices here?

    Both ways, how come we get quotes from this bearded maniac in the Reg from day one after Jobs died. Did he not have the guts to speak out when he was still alive, did he know his tirade only partiallly makes sense (iOS, maybe... a bit, but one is free in its choices)... but Macs? handcuffs? come on, it's as handcuffing as any flavour of free unix or linux around. If you do not think so, you don't know the OS.

  84. Prag Fest
    Stop

    Stallman

    The bloke, like a few indivduals here, should really try to get out a bit more. Get some exercise, try to eat better, maybe even meet a girl.

    Then perhaps, with time, he may grow to realise life has more to offer than just discussing conspiracies on the internet...

  85. Matthew 17

    99%

    What Stallman fails to grasp is that computers shouldn't be for nerds only. You don't need to know how a car, microwave or TV set works to be able to effectively use them.

    Computers have always been the domain of the nerd, sure they're easier to use now but when they break or screw up or what ever there's a nerd on hand to fix your computer.

    Apple n Co have come to the conclusion that most people would prefer it if you didn't need nerds, that a computer just worked and did what they want without the need to know how it all works underneath.

    The tens of millions of people that buy the iDevices every day are testament to the fact that they just want something that does what they want, chances are they've never heard of the FSF or Open Source software and don't care anyway.

    Sure nerds love their access, being able to do what they want with their machine is what interests their brains but they are a tiny, tiny percentage of computer users these days.

    The fact that the Apple model is proving massively popular illustrates that people are not only OK with a walled garden system, that they actively prefer it. The iDevices can be used by a child who has yet to learn to read. Given the complexity of the devices this is an incredible achievement.

    Stallman and his fellow nerds are running scared that nerds are no longer required outside of a data centre and labeling Jobs as 'evil' for doing nothing more than what the market wanted.

    By the same argument, BMW are evil for making cars people want to drive, yet are too complicated for the end user to repair or customise forcing them to take their car to an official dealer to get it repaired. BMW drivers are clearly deluded sheep as they could have built themselves a kit car and saved themselves money and been able to decide what went in and what didn't go into their cars!

  86. Will 20
    Stop

    EVIL?

    Colonel Gadaffi, was evil. Saddam Huessin, was evil. Adolf Hitler, was evil.

    Apple doing something that you don't fundamentally agree with, isn't evil. Certainly, part of Apples motivation for wall gardening their iphone/pads is to protect their revenue stream, but it also helps to protect their users - both providing security, and by making the user feel safe.

    Richard Stallman, calling Apple evil, depreciates the word "Evil", and makes me listen to him less, and believe he is increasing irrelevant.

    1. Vladimir Plouzhnikov

      Once you raised it...

      Part of Hitler's motivation was to provide lebensraum for Germans. Could only be a good thing? Or could it? Shame if others didn't fundamentally agree with this or other things he wanted to do (and did)...

      Involving Hitler in any discussion about computers and consumer goods tends to distract the participants and obfuscate the core issues being discussed.

  87. Will 20

    Could say the same about evil

    And Stallman's said it. Blame him, not me.

  88. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Surely . . .

    Surely Stallman should salute Jobs for bringing into fruition the pre-revolutionary crisis that will pave the way?

    Alternatively, he could consider what he might have achieved if he's spent the last 20 years leading his early start with GNU into creating an open yet also more desirable operating system, with programs that users wanted - rather than wasting time repeating the same-old speech on the lecture circuit.

  89. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    I want to buy an Android

    But the wanker manufacturers and providers won't support them after ship.

    So I'm going to the Dark Side and getting an iPhone.

    EVERYONE I talk to complains about Android bugs (but Androinistas won't admit to any bugs until asked about the bugs). The phone providers want to lard the phones with cr*pware added to the manufacturers base load, making OS updates about as likely as winning the lottery since regressing an OS upgrade would (HORRORS!) reduce fat executive pay stubs. So get that shiny new phone, and two years later one is still stuck with the same bugs as when it shipped from the factory-- the mfg don't care about a droid phone once it leaves the factory!

    On top of that, half the non-iPhone cameras are unusable for my purposes (that is, I can't tolerate multi second shutter lag like infest many of the trash phones. Indeed, the iPhone generally gets good reviews for the camera vs. the also-ran Androids (hello? HTC, Moto, you listening (I've given up on the losers at Samsung)).

    The good about the Androids-- unlocked no-additional-fee GPS, better displays, more liberated apps... doesn't balance the Android bug infestations and lack of future OS updates (and Google's increasingly walled off Android releases). [I won't even mention Windows, with an obsolete archaic legacy OS, or the RIM's increasingly futile attempt to keep its servers running while also placating totalitarian countries desperately trying steal business secrets].

    Jobs may have strong armed ATT, Verizon, and the rest into releasing the iPhones his way, but his way is better than their way for the user. The best way is to free the user from both the walled Jobsian garden, or the phone provider strait jackets but that isn't going to happen anytime soon. The users simply don't seem to care.

  90. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Stallman

    This says far more about Stallman than it ever could about Jobs. How about letting the corpse go stiff before mouthing off.

    Stallman: what a prat. Asperger's no excuse.

  91. Samtex

    Google koolaid

    Google pretends to be the modern day Robin Hood that is stealing intellectual property from companies in technologically rich west and giving it to companies in poorer Asian countries. It has already wrecked companies like Nokia, RIM, Palm and Motorola and propped up Samsung, HTC, Huawei and ZTE. In this way it appeals to the globalist socialist fanatics as an entity that is redistributing wealth to poor. Truth is that Google that has no experience and expertise in operating system technology. Sun, Apple and Microsoft have about 4 decades of experience in developing os. There was no way Google could build this much expertise on its own, It was smart enough to know that the only way it can protect its advertising monopoly and revenue is by having a dominant operating system of its own. Since it did not have the capabilities to build, it poached employees from Sun, Apple, and stole their technology and  handed it over free to asian handset vendors. This way it thought it will be protected against litigation while allowing it to extend its monopoly in web services.

    Besides this farce the other lie being propagated is that Andriod is an open source movement, intended to empower the powerless individual developers, while the sad reality is that it has killed the mobile open source movements like linux and java, by stealing their code and credit, underming their rules and thus destroying their ecosystem.  This koolaid is so intoxicating that it has created a cult of dimwits who will swear that google can do no evil. They will never ask google to open source its search engine software. Imagine if yahoo poaches google employees and open sources it's search engine technology, would google still claim that software should not be protected by intellectual property rights.  But then hypocrisy is the currency narcissists use to deal with dim wits

  92. Tom 38 Silver badge

    He really covers all options

    Temperature: RMS only operates between 22°C and 25°C

    Dogs: Dogs must either be mute, or not be able to jump higher than RMS's knees

    Hotels: RMS can only stay in hotels that don't ask to see your passport

    Streaming: RMS can only be streamed in Ogg or VP8

  93. Johnny Bluejeans
    Mushroom

    When Stallman kicks it

    nothing of value will be lost.

  94. Gordon Fecyk
    Trollface

    but... but... but...

    "Jobs also made it a personal crusade to attack Android with software patents. In practice, Android is not entirely free software, but it is a big step closer compared with the iPhone."

    but... but... but... Android is evil! You even say so!

    http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/09/20/stallman_on_android/

    And government agencies using Linux is evil, too!

    http://www.zdnet.co.uk/news/application-development/2008/06/09/stallman-attacks-oysters-unethical-use-of-linux-39431419/

    Please help me, I'm having a theological crisis here! :-p

  95. amanfromMars 1 Silver badge

    Stallman loses the plot.... to plug Stallman? Now that is Pretentious with a capital P

    A slow news day, Anna? Nothing of novel interest to share with Registered readers?

    Yeah, it happens some times but is usually a calm before a storm :-)

  96. adnim Silver badge

    Macs are pretty digital handcuffs

    Regardless of merit for users who want an easy to use consumer device, or the disadvantage for users who like control at all levels. All apple products are digital handcuffs which is the main motivation behind my avoidance of Apple products.

    Now this is true whether Jobs was "evil" or not. I don't think Jobs was evil, just a self obsessed control freak and aren't we all to some extent? I know I'm a control freak, that's why I don't use Apple products as for self obsessed, well I am pretty awesome ;-)

  97. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Apple is friendly to freedom

    Apple always like to tease the free software community. Apple computers are able to run most of the Linux software. Apple started their App store by overcoming other monopolies. They brought in ability download individual songs for a cheaper rate.

    Although Apple's actions seems to be against free software, they are actually challenge to the free software community. Somehow, it is more fun to fight Apple than to fight others. Many times Apple had been ahead of others when agreeing to wishes of freedom like they removed the DRM from the music they supply. They respect the open software and have built their operating system open source.

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