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A "shock" survey has revealed that the average Brit will sink 5,800 pints during a lifetime of hardened drinking, washed down with 8,700 glasses of wine, 2,900 bottles of cider, 5,800 shots of spirits, 1,450 cocktails, 1,450 glasses of liquor and a similar number of glasses of bubbly. The cost of this boozing is £962 a year, …
The Sheffield study admitted that "four out of five cohort studies showed statistically significant reduction of all causes of mortality between 15 per cent and 25 per cent for moderate drinking". And "moderate" was around three pints of beer a day for men, or two glasses of wine for women, per day.
I get annoyed with this sort of shock statistic, it is not meaningful unless compared to the other costs that we have in normal living. So how much does the average Brit spend on: food, fuel, housing, getting divorced, ... ? Unless we have a comparison we cannot judge if it might be excessive!
...somewhere in the region of 42,000 in a lifetime, shall we say? If someone lives until they're 70 and starts at 14 then that's only an average of 2 units a day... did they forget to include Christmas in their study then? Oh... and Scotland.
Pint icon - no need to qualify that really is there?
Like costs for council tax
Like gas bills
Like electricity bills
Like phone contracts
Like commuting costs
Like the mortgage or rent
Like the cost of government warmongering on an international scale
Like bank bailouts
It's enough to drive anyone to drink.
I am sure everyone will at some time work out the cost of their drinking, smoking or preferred habit and come to the conclusion that it's one of the few cost they have control over and is really a small total in the scheme of things, a small price to pay for a little enjoyment in our lives.
To really piss off the moralisers, next time you're in a supermarket; take £10 of beer, £10 of nappies, produce a £10 note at the checkout and have the nappies removed from the bill :-)
would go along the lines of not being 30 years old, but being 17,000 units of alcohol old.
(Assumptions, 9 drinks a week is 18 units, drinking started at 14, no sliding scale applied).
Being a bit long in the tooth and having enjoyed a few tipples during my life, using a sliding scale to correct the weekly intake, I am about 120,000 units old, but there may be some errors in the total due to alcohol related brain cell depletion, where some of the cells have forgotten what they got me to drink.
5800 pints a lifetime? Let's assume drinking lifetimes resemble working ones - 40 years so about 150 pints a year or 3 pints a week. That can't be right. I can't be bothered to do any research but I thought there were fairly reasonable EU stats on alcohol consumed.
As for £1000 a year on booze, that's only £20 a week. Again I can't think of who that would apply to. In London that would cover near teetotallers only! I reckon that barely covers an "average" session let alone a binge. Anyway, if the research is about the health risks then it should be accompanied by the number of curries, kebabs et al consumed! Are boozers more likely to partake of other intoxicating substances such as nicotine, fragrant tobacco, Afghan wholegrain and Bolivian marching powder?
Has this research been sponsored by the brewers association trying to wake national pride and raise the average?
Can we have some Reg SI units based research on this? Typical drinkers for both sexes ranging from Mother Teresa to Paris Hilton for women and the Pope to Oliver Reed for men?
The rate on spirits is £25.52 per litre of pure alcohol.
So for a 700ml bottle of 40% (typical whisky, vodka, etc), that's £7.15 in tax alone. With one well know retailer selling Value Scotch at £9.97, the tax is 72% of the price.
Like all good mathematicians, I leave the student to work out the rates for other types of alcohol. All the rates are included in http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/budget2011/overview.pdf (p226)
as it fails to take in to account the amount of home brewed beer and wine consumed in this country which never appears in the industry's figures. You can't just add the number of kits sold to the total either as the majority of the beer and wine home brewers I know don't use them.
The figures received would also be skewed by the usual insistance that the demographic range is 18 to an arbitrary upper limit, completely ignoring the fact that many people start younger and not everyone stops drinking, has the same lifespan or the same habits throughout their life.
A survey therefore gives a slightly better picture but then you have to start looking at the target audience asked to provide details and assume that at least 50% of them were lying.
Basically, anything other than "People in the UK drink more than those in most other countries" (which we knew already) is all a load of cobblers really!
and a strong, unsubtle, stupid one at that. I can think of nothing more boring than a night spent with drunk people, if theres no loud music or video to drown them out as they repeat their bullshit over & over again. Give me cokeheads,smackheads anythingheads rather than thick-as-shit drunks. You might not think you're like that - but you are when you're pissed. Also keep out of A & E when pissed please.
I used to drink a lot when I was a teenager, but I grew out of it.
"The yearly financial cost of this level of consumption also gives pause for thought, with £962 a year being no small sum for many families in the UK."
Surely if the numbers are an average for each person [over 14] then each family will have between 2 and 4.4 drinkers depending on the age of the kiddies. Even taking single parent families into consideration the yearly family boozing cost would be closer to 2 grand than one.
£20 a week is no big thing in context though. I put about twice that much worth of petrol in my car on an average week, I spend far more than that on food and give the government the equivalent of my yearly booze costs in income tax and NI every month.
And the big thing with drinking is that it has definite health benefits. OK if you drink to excess it has health risks, but one study suggests that you would have to drink a bottle of wine a day before the harm outweighs the benefits - OK I know alcohol based studies are all bollocks on some level, but your "3-4 units a week" study is no more valid than my "bottle of wine a day keeps the doctor away" study.
Drink and be merry! Who seriously wants to live until their 70+? Bleak(er) miserable(r) life...no thanks. It looks like I drink 1500+ pints a year but I assume that's fine though as I don't drink wine or spirits.
Mines the one with the 10 pack of Stella in it...
It's perfectly possible to have a good night out without either getting pissed myself OR running into a bunch of annoying drunks. If pissed people bother you that much, just find a pub patronised by more civilised people, such as (undoubtedly) yourself, and let everyone else enjoy their drug of choice.
If by the A&E comment you mean to say you're a doctor who gets annoyed by drunk people at your place of work, I sympathise, but in the end you knew what you were getting into? Or did you think doctoring was all Hugh Laurie in House, or Scrubs?
Really? Take a small-ish annual figure and sum it over fifty odd years to get a somewhat larger figure ... and that's "staggering"? When I went to school that was called "arithmetic".
Jesus wept. If that's really supposed to shock and stagger the average reader of that press release then that's a more tragic reflection on the state of our education system than the A level results and the Brian Cox effect.
Next your going to tell me that people who live longer spend an even more staggering amount on booze.
BTW I wonder if the £58,000 figure takes into account tax rises and inflation. I haven't done the maths, but; I wouldn't be surprised if you extrapolated the rising costs of fuel, a tank of diesel would probably work out about that much in my life time (if there is any left when I die). ** okay, done some rough maths and I reckon I'd have to reach 125 - which given the rate of increase in life expectancy, might not be to unrealistic
This is nothing new. Remember these classic lines from P.G. Wodehouse:
"It was my Uncle George who discovered that alcohol was a food well in advance of medical thought."
"I felt so dashed sorry for poor old Corky that I hadn't the heart to touch my breakfast. I told Jeeves to drink it himself."
(These might not be verbatim as I'm going from memory.)
I think this is one of those stats that, as @Some Beggar said, is a smallish annual or daily filter that gets magnified when calculated over the years. You know, like taxation on sports tickets, gasoline, etc. And the more they tax, the more alcohol appeals, so there y'are.
Someone here is being pretty lazy, or they never got through decimals. I refuse to believe that the ratios of drink types in the UK just happens to be all nice whole numbers:
1 glass of bubbly
1 glass of liquor
2 bottles of cider
4 shots of spirits
6 glasses of wine
It looks to me like someone rounded a lot of this off, saying "instead of 1.2:0.9:1.1:1.8:4.3:3.8:5.7, we'll make the numbers nice..." Alternatively, they took a small sample size and ramped it up to get the "whole picture" Either way, the numbers are difficult to swallow (pun intended).
But I'm glad that somewhere, someone is picking up my slack on the bubbly & spirits side and leaving me their unwanted pints...
I think I detect that the survey numbers (surveying 2000 people, according to the article) have been munged, massaged, rounded, summed, integrated and recycled as firelighters, such that they have very little statistical meaning at all.
Unless my inclination to reach for a calculator, is just a displacement activity to prevent me from reaching for the gin...
Drink 3 times a week, 5 pints a night for 55 years (English male life expectancy 75, started drinking regularly at 20ish) gives me 28600. And that doesn't count sessions, beers at home, etc.
"most likely exceeding guidelines" Please can I see the evidence behind those studies? No? Why not? What's that? Louder! You say you pulled them out of your arse? Gosh, I'm shocked, shocked I tell you!
What about those (the _other_ gender/sex) who don't drink pints? Presumably they are the balance for a lot of the wine and liquor(???? do they mean liqueurs? sweet, alcoholic drinks like my granny knocks back?) and maybe even some of the cider. Swap it around a bit and you're up to a more "respectable" 4 pints a week
I certainly spend more than that. As usual these nannying arsebags forget that guidelines are (surprisingly) just guidelines. Besides you've got to make up for all the nights you don't have a drink or four and also the fact that you only get one life, I know I'd rather to spend mine enjoying myself and alcohol does make for fun and adventures.
Counting down the minutes til I get out of work and go to the booze shop :).
<quote>"...but as Vivian Stanshall's Sir Henry Rawlinson once put it: "If I had all the money I'd spent on drink, I'd spend it on drink"."
Being a Merkin I'm not familiar with the author or the character, but Sir Henry sounds like my kind of guy.</quote>
Look for a CD or vinyl called "Sir Henry Of Rawlinson End" by Vivian Stanshall. Just brilliant. It was made into a movie, but I've not seen it, though with Trevor Howard playing Sir Henry, I can imagine it being good..
Pints? My whisky comes in 70cl bottles.
... and never intend to, and the same goes for my family and extended family, and most friends. if I mentioned why I'd get a torrent of abuse I can do without.
So there are a lot of people like us bringing the average down, the true figure's probably a lot higher. Provided some drunk driver doesn't kill one of us, I don't care much, as saying anything is wrong with it brings a short sharp rebuke, and much abuse, so drink away.
Increased cost to the NHS? As I am genetically prone to some diseases, apparently, unfairly burdening the NHS (not yet though) with the wrong genetics by existing, we'll call it evens.
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