that's my Birthday Present sorted.
26 Hours of extras, 15 discs, 3 movies, one ring. Finally, the extended Blu-ray version of Peter Jackson’s The Lord Of The Rings Trilogy has been released. Time to finally Orc-up and buy. The Lord Of The Rings Trilogy: Extended Edition Long player: The Lord Of The Rings Trilogy – Extended Edition Like many, I steered clear …
I already own the extended trilogy on DVD, and as a rule I won't double dip on movies I already own on DVD, but this BR conversion has to be the exception.
I actually watched all three extended movies back to back once, and it was enjoyable but hard going. I think with these even longer versions, I'll have to split it over a few days.
Didn't you get the memo?
You know the one that says getting your grubby little hands on a copy of the file is a thing of the past.
You know the one where Hollywood will charge you per viewing.
you know the one where you can only download a DRM'd to oblivion time limited, viewing limited copy for the same price as the DVD?
Sorry, go and sit on the naughty step.
I'm off for a beer.
then the disks go into the fire-safe (or at least a moisture-proof container) to stay as pristine as possible (well, it is the box you are keeping away from the moisture, the disks away from scratches and grubby human fingers).
This is technically illegal, not becasue you made a play-copy to protect origional media, but because you bypassed DRM to do so.
Sux to be under the machine. :-(
It wasn't mentioned in the review, but the extras in this box (including the commentaries) are the same as those in the original DVD extended edition sets. All this box set does is upgrade the movies to full HD and 6.1 sound.
That said, the upgrade is very much worth it if you have an AV rig that can handle it.
is that with true HD sound? or just dolby digital 5.1? there is a huge difference if you have higher quality home cinema.
also, is the MKV exactly the same image? i dont know much about MKV as i actually buy media still and if i were to store all my blu-ray and dvds on HDDs i would need a server farm ;) around 2500 DVDs and 300 blu-rays.
For Fellowship, the extended version is the "definitive" one. Tons of essential plot and character details cut. Two Towers, the extended version is good too.
But Return of the King, far too much is gratuitous "look how cool our digital FX are" shots tracking bits of rock being thrown through the air. It does have some important bits of plot - death of Saruman, the Witch-King breaking Gandalf's staff, council of war explaining exactly *why* they were attacking the Black Gate, meeting the Voice of Sauron. But mostly that extra time is FX shots which should have stayed cut.
I just read the books. Nothing about Gandalf's staff broken by the Witch-king in there (though only a purist would complain). I only got to see the Fellowship, and liked the more active role given to Arwen, so I will not say all changes are for the worse. I did feel the fighting was a bit much, compared to the more sedate pace of the book. However, if you kept to that pace, the film would have to become a (very long) series.
Regarding the increased length, Tolkien said in the preface to the book that the main criticism he agreed with is that it was too short.
Right on. Gandalf's staff was never originally broken. The witch king just escaped a good shoeing from Gandalf when their confrontation was interrupted at the gate. A dramatic scene that did not, as I remember, make the film.
I agree with your post and with JRR when he said the book was too short. LOTR shows well the difference between books and films. Both are good, but the film is (has to be) a much more brief, superficial experience. A film made verbatim from a book would be awful. Then again, LOTR is not quite like any other book.
Can the extra visual and audio presentation make Elijah Wood act? Can it make Sam lose any weight on a year-long trek halfway across a continent? Can it change the disrespectfully comic Gimli? Can it change Faramir back to an honourable man instead of a traitor? Does it have Tom Bombadil?
No? Then what's the bloody point? :-\
I was with you right up to the "Does it have Tom Bombadil?" at which point I wished you a long and painful death to the accompiamnet of stupid ryhming couplets.
A somewhat controversial view but the books are utter shite... a fantastic story ruined and rendered all but unreadable ( believe me I've tried 5 times!) by stupid fucking "elven poetry", "Dwarven songs" and Tom Bombadil, none of which added a single iota to the overal plot/ story.
Jackson took the essentail story elements of the books and created the stories that shold have been told.
I've read and re-read them many times when I was younger and then put them aside for decently written books. I read them again when the first movie came out and it reminded me just how bad they are. Tolkien wrote them in the way that sagas were written 500 years ago. There is very little attempt at pacing, proper narrative structure and dramatic tension. The very device of splitting the story into two sections then following each section exclusively as in Tow towers and Return of the King is deeply annoying.
The blandness of the descriptive passages gets tedious - everything "good" is "silvery" or "golden", everything bad is "black" and "dark". The pointless distractions of "and then they came to xyz which in elvish was named abc, the Numenrorians called 123 and the dwarfs called "gimmemorebeer"" YAWN!! yes I know he was a professor of Medieval English etc but give me a sodding break!
As for Tom Bombadil, I remember hearing the BBC radio adaptation when it first came out in the early 80s while at University and we all rejoiced that they had skipped Tom Bombadil! What a twat! Its a pointless diversion in the book AND its a plot destroyer... so you spend half a book building up the "Its SO EVIL that none can withstand it!" and then introduce a character almost immediately it has NO EFFECT on! Bang, narrative tension utterly destroyed.
Finally... Eagles. Why walk all that fucking way through orc infested lands when you could have flown across it on sodding eagles and dive-bombed Frodo into mount doom???
By the way I also play Lord of the Rings Online and after 4 years play we've still only got as far as Lothlorien, ie end of Vol 1!! Later this year we get Isengard...
So you hate LOTR but your life has had a large involvement with it: the books, the films, the radio adaptation, the game and now discussing all 4 at some length. In 2000 you read all 1200 terrible pages again, just as a penance, before playing LOTR online for 4 years and still playing. Your whole life is spent in LOTR purgatory. No wonder you hate it.
Guy, if you are gonna troll, don't go overboard. Special effects are okay but a believable story is more important.
Now THAT was possibly the single hardest book ive ever had the pleasure of reading, i swear that it was easier reading "Trainspotting" and "Porno" whilst trying to understand all the 'burgh' words
Good read though, adds a lot to the series, if your capable of reading it that is :)
here, assuming youve read it, have a pint, i get the feeling there isnt many of us!
no need for rudeness :-)
I did say it was a somewhat controversial view.
Very few people have ever found the books anything other than hard work in my experience.
I tried to read them for the first time when I was 13 ... having been utterly entralled by The Hobbit. LOTR's was a huge let down for me. I've tried several times since..
fellowship, is a great book (apart from the bits I've already mentioned) , Two Towers is s good book, return is tedious in the extreme.
Great story, badly executed by a poor writer that would have benefited from a stronger editor.
The slower running speed accounts for about 28 minutes of running time. With the remaining 16 minutes split across three films, does that make 5 minutes of extra credits per film? Perhaps there's just a tiny bit of extra footage, but if not, at least we get some extra music to listen to! :-)
Now I get the other two - they are great films and quite a lot happens. I'm not so enamoured with them to regard them as "landmark" and, already having the original trilogy on DVD for less than a tenner, I have no intention to re-buy them but they are good films.
But the fellowship? 30 minutes extra? Nothing happens in the original 72-hour cut. The plot is "Small village, wizard arrives. Group sets off with a ring". That is it. Litterally NOTHING else happens. It could have been shown as a five minute short before the second film.
HD. 6.1 sound?
I already own the extended editions. I even made the mistake of buying the first FotR before the extended edition came out.
Tell me where I can send my DVDs for a credit on on the BDs and I might take the bait.
Oh, and BTW, I already own three copies (original VHS, special edition VHS, DVD) of Star Wars 4, 5, and 6, plus DVD of 1, 2, and 3. When Lucas releases on BD I won't be buying those either. One of these days I need to convert the original VHSs to DVDs, because Han shoots first.
The cinema version was 30 minutes too long. The perfect ending for that movie with all the build up would have been at the ceremony where he says "no my friends you bow to no man!"
They all bow the camera pans back aaannnndddddddd CUT!
But no we get another 30 mins of seat jiffle inducing crap that just kills the ending dead.
I've dumped most of my DVD collection as only about 15 of them had been watched more than once. Just not worth it. No BDs for me either.
Dump your unwatched collection into the charity shop, freeing up space for some other crap, then rent the DVD/BD from the local library for £2.
That seems to be what the long shelves of DVDs in Costco, Best Buy, and elsewhere are for.
Me? I'm pretty selective about the titles I buy. I only buy titles I know will be watched multiple times and I'm usually content to wait a while for the price to come down. The rest I get from netflix or stream from netflix or hulu. The library? YMBJ. My wife has borrowed books on CD to listen to on trips in the car but they're usually so beat up they're impossible to listen to. Would DVDs be any better? Not sure I can be bothered to drive there and back twice to find out.
And then some things I own, e.g. Avatar and the Star Trek reboot I have because someone gave it to me as a gift. My wife and kids have a strange sense of what they think I'll like.
@Blake, you could have picked up the SW DVDs that contained two discs per film, one with the special edition and one with the original theatrical cut - the latter not being anamorphic and only 2.0 audio, but much better than a VHS conversion.
As to LotR, I was looking forward to the BD extendeds because I'm a lazy git and don't want to have to switch discs halfway through the films like I do with the extended DVDs. But thanks to the inclusion of 4 commentaries on each film they've been split across 2 discs each again. I don't give a stuff about commentaries; I'd be much happier with the extended movies on 3 BDs without the duplicated discs from the DVD releases (I've got those already too from the collectors DVD sets as well as Minas Morgul and the King's crown that were available for a limited time from Sideshow with the order form in Return of the King).
You see thats the problem, the world that was made around the books was far more complicated than the films could ever portray.
a film on the books was never going to work and take the full story in to account, perhaps they would have done better to make a film based on the books but do a hollywood special on it. IE change it in to something completely unrecognisable.
Im totally divided on this one i have to say, it overlooks i,portant parts in the story and also makes a hash of the story in some scenes of the film.
I suppose, i enjoy watching the parts of the film thats done very well, and try and overlook the parts that are crap ie "Shelob stung Frodo" to name one of many!
Had to share the brain-dribblings of this Amazon commentard:
"I've been waiting a long time to see the complete extended version of Lord Of the Rings on single discs, it was going to be the excuse for me to finally buy a flat screen HD tv and a blue-ray player. Now I'm not going to bother, I'll stick with the orginal version on video."
Yup, that's right, he's sticking with his VHS and fish-bowl CRT because one third of this trilogy comes on two discs. Tard indeed.
As I remember, Peter Jackson claimed that the "Special Editions" were the actual movies made, and that due to contract requirements with the studios, they needed to trim them at specific lengths for theatrical release. He specifically said that the additional scenes were not "extra" nor "deleted" scenes, but the actual flow of each scene, completed with the same post production quality as everything else.
Already have the extended DVD editions, but would need to get a proper Bluray player, HD-TV and sound system (not the poxy one in my computer). Will wait until I move back to NZ before purcashing (and saves on unzoning the DVD player).
Lived in Wellington while they were filming, one of the girls at work (who was nicknamed "Mimi" cos she was really bad at putting on makeup) said she and Liv Tyler wore the same eye-liner brand, so I has to ask "and what is the American word for trowel?"
Anon cos Sarah B may still be lurking somewhere.
Ok maybe it's because I haven't read the books, maybe it's because I prefer ninja's to homosexual dwarf like people with hairy feet, maybe it's because it never occurred to anyone to fly Frodo on one of those eagle type things over the volcano in the first movie thus negating the need for several hours of Orlando bland, but the whole trilogy was shit.
Controversial opinion perhaps? Do I just “not get it”? Maybe. But having once done a marathon of all three extended editions in a weekend I sincerely wanted to pull my own face off and beat Peter Jackson with it.
Roll on the revisited 3D editions in about four years time.
Oh yeah, nobody would notice a freaking huge Eagle carrying a hobbit and the source of half of your power (and the single reason why you still live), flying straight towards the only place where it can be destroyed, and take measures to shoot it down on sight.
Specially when you are embodied in a huge flaming eye in a tower next to it. No sir.
This is Captain Obvious, signing off.
In Jackson's version no one noticed Frodo standing in plain sight in front of a Nazgul holding out the "source of half of your power (and the single reason why you still live)", so I don't imagine that a single eagle would have attracted any attention either.
Maybe someone who could write should have been put in charge of the screenplay, no?
I prefered the extended editions to the theatricals, they gave more detail & the whole thing flowed much quicker, where as the theatricals dragged. Seems odd though that BD still has to spread the movies over two disc's same as the DVD's.
will just be more tedious fucking hours of Sam and Frodo in thee mountains with Sam telling Frodo how much he "loves you, Mr. Frodo".
Some of the cinematography was excellent but Peter Jackson's butchering of what was already a pretty badly written (but exceptionally imagined) trilogy just makes me weep for mankind.
I am not usually a fan of this genre of film but at some point I had to watch it to see what all the hype was about....
Was I disappointed? Initially no... It was a bit of a log winded yarn, with overtones of brokeback! nothing that spoiled the movie. (would frodo and friends sexuality need to be questioned in this move?). I have to say, I did enjoy the whole saga and at the end of each moie ....
When you start to reflect on it, there are far too many holes in the plot and a lot of the movie was there for the sake of it being there.... a bit like the long winded descriptive passages in the books that serve no other purpose than to show off your descriptive writing skills. (or lack of).
I did try to read The hobbit once, but when it took 15 pages to describe a room with a trunk in it, going into every tiny detail of the room is not necessary. do I need to know the life story of the ant with the club foot and his suffering as he struggle across the room towards the shelf where you would expect the key for the trunk to be, but was not? do i then need another 1000 words to describe the knot in the wood of the door? not unless its really important to the story and most of it was not..... Room, trunk, no key, lets go find it.....
I do understand the appeal of the whole LOTR/Hobbit saga to some. but I find the appeal of a girlfriend better...
...you tried to read The Hobbit, unless you have the reading ability of a 4 year old. I found it a pleasure to read and an easy read which shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone since it was a children's book afterall.
The middle earth languages were a pain and translations would have been handy because it's otherwise meaningless gibberish.
LotR was a much harder slog to read but also well worth the many hours of exercising my imagination. Some bits didn't really add anything to the story - ol' Tom - but an adventure will have odd little diversions.
Jackson has repeatedly said that the THEATRICAL EDITIONS are the definitive and are the films he wanted to make. This is why the extended versions are called EXTENDED VERSIONS and not "DIRECTOR'S CUTS" for example - he made them for the fans.
He considers the theatrical versions to be the "Director's Cut".
Footnote: I too am disappointed that these discs have the films split over two discs. Grrrr....
Firstly the end of RoTK. One of Tolkien's points is that stories never end, at least not cleanly, people drop in and out of them. One of his other points is that experiences change people, possibly a view he got on the Western Front and the aftermath. Frodo may have succeeded, but there was no 'home fit for heroes' for him, he probably felt a failure and his injuries stopped him having a peaceful life.
The ending WAS cut down (no Scouring of the Shire) but it is essential to the story that Frodo gets some kind of resolution, there is no 'Happy ever after' for him.
As to the Eagles, as emissaries of Manwë ( effectively an Angelic Spirt) such an act would have been counter to a 'non-interference' policy. What the eagles did was close enough
That box looks real nice ... except for that ghastly, completely out-of-place BluRay band on the top. Whey couldn't they have been a little subtler, like they were on the spine? Even the age advisories are eyesores...
Then again, I've always been bitter about BR since they dropped the "e" from "Blue" and haven't used physical media in years. Always seems so ... quaint..
Beat me to it.
Aragorn is the big hero. He goes through swordfights and all kind of manly stuff, comes out unscathed, gets the girl and the kingdom. Everyone cheers. Yay.
Frodo meantime is the one who actually brings down the bad guys. He plods along through the mud, does his thing, and his reward is the loss of his sanity, exile to obscurity, and the company of wasters back home who can't ever possibly understand what he's been through. As written by a guy who survived the trenches in WWI.
Re the eagles, they *do* interfere. "The Hobbit" has them actively fighting the orcs/goblins, for starters. But the idea is to sneak into Mordor undetected. A mass aerial assault is not quite the idea...
FOTR, top right of the screen, just after Sam says to Frodo (or is it the other way round?) that he's never been so far out of The Shire before. Dust cloud and brake lights.
Tom Bombadil is indeed a tedious character*, but the episode with the barrow-wights is how they get the special swords that can kill a fell beast; a bit of a plot hole in the movies, clumsily addressed by Aragorn saying "hey, here are some cool swords I happened to be carrying".
*although Goldberry sounds like a right goer and I don't know why she hangs out with him
The Hobbit is a different beast lightly revived to fit LoTR
LoTR could do with a bit of revision according to the Silmarillion, but that is by the by
The Eagles have other reaons for not directly interfering,
1) None of the Wise thougth of that or, if they did, they envisaged it as being a bit obvious
2) The Range of the Eagles is limited. They live in the Mistly mountains and turn up at thwe battle of the Five Armies, the top of Durin's Stair and from their to Rohan
The journey to Mordor is longer and might well be a multi-day or one way journey, requiring a rest, thus making an aerial trip unfeasible
3) The Eagles were already doing other things, seeking information for Gandalf as requested, and they could not contact them
4) They were all on their holidays and had the mobile phone switched off
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