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Psychologists in Seattle have confirmed a poorly acknowledged reality: that for many people, the benefits of drinking – even heavy drinking, on occasion – outweigh the downsides. Academics at the University of Washington, conducting the study, contend that this is a matter of perception rather than reality and have dubbed the …

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  1. bill 36
    Facepalm

    "rose tinted beer goggles"

    Well fuck me! Who would have thought that booze can do that?

    Which planet are they living on? Its a "phenomenon" thats been known about since the start of time and everyone who has indulged a little bit too much is well aware of the consequences and vows never to do it again.....until the next time.

    Are they getting paid for this research?

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      It's like mythbusters

      We all know that a motorcycle can stop quicker than a car, or that blue collar workers are the heaviest drinkers but until you study something you don't actually know either way.

    2. ArmanX

      Actually... I think this is a good study.

      There are countless ads warning of the dangers of drinking - and I don't mean "swear off alcohol forever," either. I'm talking about the 'scary' ads with people driving drunk, dying of alcohol poisoning, etc. According to this study, the students they surveyed could care less. They care more about being able to tell funnier jokes and stay up late than they do about death-by-alcohol-poisoning. The "rose-tinted beer goggles" stay on even after the beer itself is gone. Now, obviously, most people already knew this, but now we have proof - ads targeted at drinkers won't work, so save your money.

      1. andy mcandy
        Flame

        aargh

        COULDN'T CARE LESS

        if they could care less, than means they care at least a teensy little bit!

        </soapbox>

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=om7O0MFkmpw

        1. ArmanX
          Trollface

          What? You think they don't care at all?

          That would be a more unique situation than normal... seriously, man, think about things before you post! If they couldn't care less, then obviously anything said, irregardless of content, would have a neutral to positive affect. The students could of cared less, because there was a small amount to care with.

          (There; that should hold the grammar Nazis for a while.)

          1. boothamshaw
            Headmaster

            links rechts links rechts

            One situation cannot be more unique than another, unless one is unique (an absolute state) and the other is not. Comparative statements of uniqueness are inexcusable. To be "a little unique" is to have slipped gracefully into a new category of rarity more commonly decribed as "unusual", "rare" or perhaps "out of the ordinary", if mood dictates.

            "man"? are you absolutely certain your correspondant was a male?

            Irregardless isn't really a word. Possibly you meant regardless.

            Could of? Could OF? You mean could HAVE in all probability.

            Your deployment of the semi-colon was a little ill-advised, and a mere comma would have been more acceptable, albeit less racey.

            Finally, though no less importantly, "they could of cared less" is an Americanism. It is therefore also a truism, as our cousins tend to shy away from constructions that invite contradiction. Of course people have the capacity to care less about a particular issue. it doesn't mean that they will, merely that they might. To say that somebody "couldn't have cared less" is the sort of hyperbole that makes command of a language as expressive as English such a joy.

            Oh wait a minute - I'm a grammar nazi. Oh the shame.

            1. ArmanX
              Meh

              Good job! I'll give you a 7/10

              That's a good effort, but you seem to have missed three things:

              1) I ended a sentence with a preposition ("...to care with").

              2) I used the word "affect" (which, when used as a noun, means a 'feeling or emotion') instead of the word "effect."

              3) The post was dripping in sarcasm.

              While the average troll may actually write like that (thus losing the implied sarcasm), few trolls actually call themselves such; the troll icon should have given it away, as should the direct reference to grammar Nazis.

              Also, while it may have been poor form to refer to the writer as male, the name "Andy McAndy" [capitalization assumed] is usually male, and thus my assumption was a safe one. Good catch on the semicolon, however.

  2. Piro
    Pint

    I've never vowed to not drink again...

    Because I know exactly why I drink in the first place, because it was fun!

    That said, I don't drink anywhere near as much as I used to. I haven't got the time to be hungover in the week, or go to the pub in work hours..

  3. Anonymous Coward
    Pint

    Well At Least They're Transparent About Purpose

    "The killjoy psychologists suggest that the results of their study might somehow be used to put college students or people in general off boozing."

    ... but of course, even when your crafted study clearly contradicts the result you WANTED, there's still some way to spin it, eh?

  4. Anonymous Coward
    FAIL

    Stupidest thing I've ever read

    "research"??? Dumbest thing I've ever read.

    What happens as people's dependency level increases due to continual heavy use and they end up trapped into drinking. Granted this doesn't happen to everyone but for those who do fall into this trap it's a very slippery slope with only one outcome.

    If I were you I wouldn't publish bollocks like this.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Dependancies

      From the people I've seen, the dependancy thing tends to be related to the person rather than the drug; if they aren't dependant on 1 thing, it is another.

      For those of us lucky enough to not have this particular trait, alcohol is quite pleasant.

      For those afflicted with dependancies, it's awful, but I don't think that taking alcohol from everyone will particularly help those affected (sorry!)

      1. Sir Cosmo Bonsor
        FAIL

        Guys

        It's "dependency".

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Next

      Next thing, the puritans will be trying to stop nudity and get everyone off sex.

      They will then try to convince us that the Earth is 10,000 years old, and really we are all just playmobil built in 6 days by some magic invisible creature.

    3. JimC Silver badge

      Stupidest thing you've ever read?

      Actually, I'm not sure you actually read it. Go back and study it carefully: I don't think you've understood what theywere saying...

  5. Miek
    FAIL

    Amazingly Stupid

    These people are taken seriously ? wtf?

  6. Pete 2 Silver badge

    Student studies students

    So a grad student made a study of students drinking and discovered they like it.

    You didn't get this piece from The Daily Mash. by any chance?

  7. yoinkster
    FAIL

    are they for real?

    They surveyed STUDENTS and discovered that they like getting wasted, don't care for work and shag a lot?

    Trick cyclists indeed.

  8. Dances With Sheep
    FAIL

    Timing?

    So, this survey wasn’t carried out when students woke up the next day with eyes like sheep’s cunts then? Catch them all driving the porcelain bus at 9am and you might get a different answer. :-)

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    2. Paul_Murphy
      Unhappy

      Sarah, Sarah ....

      This post has a nasty word in it - please make it go away.

      Oh... that's right :-(

      ttfn

    3. Rattus Rattus

      @Dances With Sheep

      Eyes like WHAT? I've never heard that phrase before, it's very... apt. Between that and your username, you're not from New Zealand are you?

  9. Bunker_Monkey
    Thumb Up

    One will raise a glass!

    And then wait for my ride in an ambluance and subsequent overnight stay with her majesty's police guest house....

    Burp..

    1. Robert Carnegie Silver badge

      But don't you find

      that you're also better at driving after a few drinks - steadies the nerves, makes you less anxious, more confident. So you may as well plan to drive home, with your pals. I can't tell you how many close near misses I've had on the road after a night out, partly because the actual fact is that I don't drive and I'm making this up, but it just goes to show how much better you get when you drive in a relaxed state of mind. If you tried to do that sober then someone would get hurt, but pissed? No bother. Just look at Ryan Dunn and his passenger (BBC News Online, search for "Jackass"). Although don't look too close. Eww. Anyway, didn't feel a thing, I bet.

  10. Patrick R
    Holmes

    The title is required, and must contain letters and/or digits.

    but is a meaningless title ok ?

    1. Robert Carnegie Silver badge

      Pull my finger

      So, there's a digit, see ... I think the meaninglessness of the rest of your pathetic life would be the difficulty, but the moderator can't do much about that.

      1. Patrick R
        Facepalm

        you're welcome.

        I was refering to the title of the article not reflecting what the article says. Someone failed to detect a little irony and put the blame on whoever... can't do much about that either. Most readers of that sort of article (including me) should be carefull using such words as "pathetic life".

  11. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    No psych student should find this surprising

    Confirmation bias and our tendency to weight big rare events as less important than small common ones are well understood both in behavioural science and from an evolutionary perspective.

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  13. The Fuzzy Wotnot
    WTF?

    Research?

    Well research suggest you made some effort to investigate and come to a conclusion, not just state the bleedin' obvious!

    "People like having fun, because even though it can occasionally turn sour, most of the time, most people having fun remember the good bits and block out the bad bits!"

    Right, can I have a £50k grant to investigate boozing and having fun?

  14. Eddy Ito Silver badge
    Pint

    Give 'em a PhD in DuH and a beer

    To think that Mommy's precious angel would pick something they enjoy, such as boozing, over things they don't particularly care for, like class and work, it... it... it simply isn't conceivable really. I mean lets examine the facts. A students perception of their own measure, be it sexual prowess, sense of humor, whatever, appears to be far better with beer goggles than without. I'd wager their perception of this theory is far better than when it's put into practice.

    Oh and the bit about the negatives of missed work will certainly change when they grow up... unless they are still working at the same pizza/burger/strip joint and don't need to show up until 4 pm. Just think, if they don't like work now, wait until they have to pee in a cup every few weeks or months.

  15. Will Godfrey Silver badge
    Coat

    el tiT

    For such an inconsequential post, I'm surprised at the length of the whine list

  16. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Bloody students

    Get a job.

  17. Giles Jones Gold badge

    Not at home

    Only if you drink socially and sensibly. Downing bottles of cider, gin and whisky alone at home is not a good thing.

  18. Svantevid
    Holmes

    I'll go with PTerry on this

    To quote him: "It is very important to be sober when you take an exam. Many worthwhile careers in the street- cleansing, fruit-picking and subway-guitar-playing industries have been founded on a lack of understanding of this simple fact."

  19. Watashi

    Students like beer

    So, students like booze. Who'd have thunk it! Of course, the real cost of booze comes in when you're looking for a job and you've got a grade lower in your degree than your low alcohol consuming contemporaries thanks to the well documented harm done by alcohol consumption to your sleep and your mental capabilities when you've finally sobered up.

  20. Paul Murray
    Pint

    And the drinkers are wrong about this?

    And by what standard have these psychologist made the judgment that staying up later, better socialising, more/better sex is not worth the downside? Why is "fights" listed as a downside? Some people *like* to fight. Why is it that it's a terrible thing that "work" and "study" are affected? As if the most important thing in the world was labouring for the complex.

    I hope that it's not the psychologists themselves who are making the value judgments. I suspect not. This study comes to us through a series of filters.

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