I knew I should have...
Invested my life savings into a bet that the Rapture wouldn't happen.
Judgment Day prophet Harold Camping has some serious explaining to do after his prediction that the world would end on Saturday proved less than accurate. The 89-year-old founder of Family Radio nailed 6pm EST as the moment at which millions of true believers would be raptured heavenwards, while cataclysmic earthquakes rocked …
Anyone that makes such a statement about the world ending and then when asked what he will be doing replies "Watching it on TV" either is stating that he doesn't believe it himself or he's not the 'good christian' he claims to be and expects to still be there with the rest of us after the christians after been saved.
Or.... maybe there nobody good left and it really happened and it's just BUSINESS AS USUAL.
Perhaps the scale of the rapture is entirely dependent on the number of believers involved, as it will only be They Who Truly Believe that will experience it, as I understand it, the rest of us are left behind to look after the cats. If that is the case, then perhaps it did actually happen, but on such a overwhelming minor scale that no one noticed.
We have all been found wanting and God has left us. At least the two Steves are still here to keep us entertained.
Yeah, remember the story of Lot and the cities of the plain. Lot kept tendering the possibility of finding 50 - 20 - 10 - 5 just men, so the the Lord would not destroy the cities, and failed, so only his family was saved (except the inevitably curious wife, of course.)
The rapture did happen, and the two truly believing good people were taken up, leaving the rest of us sinners here below. Wonder who they were? Certainly not Blair or Bush!
At least the Lord left the brewers here - Alleluia.
'Hello, hello. Is this thing working?
The Rapture due today has been delayed due to poor weather conditions in the USA.
Management apologise for the delays to the service and aim to get the uplift rescheduled for later.
A replacement bus service is in place provided by FourHorsemen transport.'
I just feel sad for him. He really believed it so strongly, and his world must have fallen apart (and not in the way he wanted). And all his desperate followers, whose lives were such lacking in other meaning that they desperately had to believe in something, and really hoped for the Big Thing that would make it all worthwhile. I just hope they all manage to find meaning in something else and move on from it. It's all just so sad.
They're aren't many fanatical follower of any teaching who have received such an obviously "Get a grip" slap round the chops, so maybe he might stop being quite such a loon.
Then again, he'll probably go completely postal now and go down in a hail of bullets whilst screaming "There is no god!!!! Muwahahahahaha" - He doesn't strike me as the kind of person who could just go quietly.
it's kind of like saying you feel sorry for a mass murderer because he wasn't taken to heaven like he believed after 'purifying' the world. Just because he's possibly bonkers doesn't mean he deserves sympathy after effectively exploiting many people to the point of breaking. I do agree that if you have to believe this tripe then you probably have more problems though, so yes, I do feel sorry for the victims.
I'm happy they are destitute and potentially homeless, I find it very enlightening that natural selection is working and I hope to encounter less christians as a result of this episode.
anything that moves these idiots closer to their end and further from me, the better. we have suffered thousands of years of this idiocy, it's about time we shuffled them along a big...
we should predict many more and hope a few more shuffle along :)
That has to be the longest thread I ever started. Thanks for feeling more sympathetic towards my point of view today Ms Bee. There do seem to be a lot of people here feeling highly uncharitable towards him and his unfortunate followers. Of course, he also makes me a little angry, and I am distressed that he has caused some people a lot of problems. But still, my over-riding feeling is just "sad". I don't think he actively wanted to cause trouble, and he was probably earnest in his preachings. I'm not a Christian, but I'm sure the bible would have something to say about being nice to him or something...
Oh, and- well done @Ken Snorker for invoking Godwin. Truly I feel my thread has been validated.
This guy is being treated as a harmless nutter when he is actually culpable for a great deal of distress and misery; and not just to his deluded followers, but to their friends and family (who may not be believers) who will have had to deal with the consequences of his actions.
Obviously I'm sure he'll be returning all those millions just as soon as the banks reopen.
If he were a real Christian, he'd feel pretty awful about all the suffering he's caused with his silly prediction. Selling his media empire and doing something charitably worthwhile with the profits would go a long way towards balancing out all the bad karma he has accumulated.
// I bet he won't do that.
// I'd be very happy to be wrong.
In a cruel twist of irony that's evolution at work, right there. He seriously believed in something that never came to pass. He will now most likely not believed next time he opens his mouth and thus his status in the great scheme of things has been demoted. The followers he had, will drift away and latch on to something else.
That's how evolution works to a certain extent, those who have traits not worthy of being useful to the continued survival of a species, will fall by the wayside.
Eh... RTFA: He predicted the same in 1994, and more believed him now than first time round. Being 89yold he probably hasn't many more dates to extract digitally-rectally (the chance that *he* wouldn't be around anymore on 21/05 was relatively high of course).
What I find bizarre in this all is the well-known line in the bible on the same topic saying that NOBODY except the Big Yin knows the dates involved in the endtimes (note: there's no rapture in the bible whatsoever; that's a Merrikan invention). So proposing a date implies equating yourself with God; such hubris (deadly sins and whatnot) would disqualify anybody from preaching you'd think?
But all evidence suggests that each time one of these delusional fuckwits makes a bonkers prediction based on a 'scientific' examination of the bible (ffs) and the aforesaid a-crap-alyps fails to show up on the appointed date, the fervour of the sheeple is usually significantly enhanced.
What you need to remember is that the leader of these types is, by definition " hard of thinking" so imagine the depths of stupidity shown by his followers. scientoligists seem rational by comparason.
He'll spend a few weeks doing hard sums, then be back just as brazen, wrong headed, and mazed as before, and every bit as sure that then next date will be _the one_ as he was on the last 2 occasions.
and so it will continue until, either he's proved correct (unlikley in the extreme - lies to children notwithstanding) or until the acretion of egg on his face finaly suffocates him.
You would think so - but it appears the reverse if often true
Well worth reading Prof. Richard Wiseman' "Paranormality: Why we see what isn't there" where he covers cults -
I just don't understand how so many who believe in god are so quick to believe in one man's random and provably dodgy prediction...and surely waiting around for it flogging all of your posessions and spending your savings merely renders the otherwise faithful guilty of the sin of self-righteousness (i.e. assuming you're one of the ones to be enraptured).
Religion comes under enough fire these days as it is without crackpots and the bafflingly naive making a mockery of their own fatih.
Really? Looked the same to me, complete with the end of the world date still displayed.
I couldn't access it at all over the weekend, so assumed he'd only paid for his hosting in advance until 22nd, which would have made sense!
With his level of conviction I would have expected a date dependant change, so it would now be showing message normally reserved for the front bumpers of trucks, namely "If you can read this, you're f*cked".
That Daniel prophecy is very useful for people predicting the end of the world. I have a large bet with an American that it will end in 2015 (I'm on the other side of the fence, obviously) based on the same prophecy.
The _ONLY_ reason I know this is because I have come across various people claiming it as a proof of fulfilled prophecy (and it's probably their strongest one when they throw it out there), once they've strung it through the numerology blender a few times of course.
Written in Hebrew (Old Testament) and Greek (New Testament, translating oral teachings originally mainly in Aramaic). Plus many translations into other languages, e.g. Latin, Arabic, English etc. Considering how many Trinitarian Christian churches in different places use it, the remarkable thing is how few disagreements over what it consists of exist.
Wasn't there an American Televangelist who is quoted as having once said: "If English was good enough for Jesus, it's good enough for me."
One just cannot conceive of the ignorance of some of these people who set themselves up as leaders of the flock.
It's a big world. Lots of things happen at every hour of every day, even more if you're willing (as you are) to also count stuff that happens "around" any given hour.
The thing is, he didn't predict that there would be a volcano in Iceland and it would cause minor disruption to airspace traffic; he predicted that there would be earthquakes everywhere and it would cause the end of the world.
So no, he was just plain wrong, and it's pathetic of you to try so hard to find some kind of way in which he could somehow be seen, if you squint your eyes and wish real hard, to somehow be some sort of something like correct. You deserve to lose your life savings to a religious con-artist like this, it's gullible idiots like you who make it rewarding and worthwhile for these parasites to keep coming out with their bullshit predictions. You are an enabler, and you should be ashamed of yourself.
... the preacher predicted that a rolling wave of earthquakes would occur in each timezone at 6pm, and that the righteous would be "raptured" to heaven to sit a God's right hand.
The rest of us sinners (plus the cats!) would have to hang around until mid-October when God would destroy the Earth and put us out of our misery.
What a Cat-astophe!
Oh Noes. Will no-one think of the cats... erm, children
On 21 May, Jesus was supposed to do his big reveal, and there were supposed to be rolling earthquakes that spread from the Date line, to the west, such that they always hit at 6pm local time. The streets are supposed to be filled with corpses like its a zombipocolypse.
None of these things are true.
"I just don't understand how so many who believe in god are so quick to believe in one man's random and provably dodgy prediction..."
Glad you used lower case for god there (which I take as subjective and misplaced), but given there are probably a couple of billion believers or so, you can expect a few dozen to be taken in by just about anything. Doesn't make the few who were taken in representative of anyone else. Perhaps you could find a UK denomination or any denomination of any size which were taken in ?
Yes, didn't you know? Apart from the Book of Mormon, which is presumably a different Bible, most Merkins think they are the Chosen People. The fact that there were no Merkins in OT times seems to have passed them by.
Yeah, well, most of them are, aren't they?
The story of Noah's ark says he will send the rains in 7 days time.
Paul's 2nd epistle, written a few thousand years later says "one day is like a thousand years and a thousand years like one day".
He therefore concludes that the end of the world comes 7000 years after noah's ark, despite the fact that the flood (probably the end of the last ice age) has already happened. But he could just as easily concluded that the world will come to an end 1.65 seconds after noah's ark.
His get out will be that nobody knows for sure when exactly noah's ark happened, and with the changes from lunar to solar calendar, together will all the changes in leap year rules and so on, pinning down the exact anniversary is not an exact science.
Of course, only true believers were to be swept up, maybe there aren't any.
The media pick up on the random mutterings of what is effectively a lone nut job (OK, with his own radio station) and amplify them across the world, where a small minority of desperate, deluded individuals choose to follow them. 100 years ago, this would have been just one local hellfire and damnation preacher who would have got a few people in his local town worked up and then have been booted out when Armageddon failed to turn up on time.
This isn't mere harmless entertainment for the rest of us (though I'm happy to join in with the jeering). Look at that other nut job in Florida (with a congregation of - count them - 20) who threatened to burn the Koran and managed to be amplified into unrest across the Muslim world.
I don't like Mondays <sigh>
How these so called prophets get it wrong every time...
When is the world going to learn about these religious crackpots??!? Religion, irrespective of a chosen faith causes more problems than it solves; personally I hope that everyone who has lost everything sues the ass off him.
Lone nutter with a radio station spends several million dollars and possibly more to buy advertising over as much of the planet as they can reach. Also sending out missionaries to spread the world in places like Turkey. This wasn't a media beat up, it was a genuine phenomenon which the media duly reported, while sniggering appropriately.
Jo Freddie, a devout Pastafairian, vanished on the 21st May @ 6pm while eating pasta and drinking beer, a little while later a volcano goes off in Iceland, this is surly a sign!
He is still missing!
Pirate Icon as The Pirates are The Chosen People of Our Lord Noodle
Good ol' American entrepreneurship stepped up to fill the void. Businesses sprouted up, all over the USA, offering to take care of the left-behind pets, for a fee.
It occurred to me that, if a person named Ken were to offer such a service, then his motto would be "Ken'll care for your pets."
In response to the above from me, slatsz, a poet friend of mine, composed the following:
Won’t be captured by the rapture.
Have no regrets
Ken’ll care for all your pets.
. . . to Revelations, there are only to be a total of 144,000 souls going to Heaven.
This includes all the angels, cherubim, seraphim etc etc, ad nauseum.
The number of earth-bound souls is > 10,000.
Given that the total number of homo sapiens that have ever existed is in the order of 10,000,000,000, the odds are less than 1,000,000 : 1 that you would actually be one of the chosen.
In fact, the numbers are so low, that the Rapture may have happened, but due to the mathematics no-one has noticed the few thousand world-wide that went missing on Saturday!!
Apparently you haven't read the bible either. The 144000 thousand in Revelation refers to the numebr of Jews (12000 from each tribe) who will be gathered (post-rapture) to witness to the world during the last 3.5 years before the final battle of Armegeddon[sp?]. It's not that hard of a read, why do so many people insist on taking things out of context?
Fail icon for obvious reasons.
All these merkan preachers etc, say only the pious will be saved. But surely all that is trumped by the Jesus easter thing, dieing for our sins so everyone goes to heaven anyway, so you can be as wicked as you like if your christian.
Personally, anyone believing in a supreme being should be locked away in a dark room for the rest of their lives and leave the rest of us to get on with things unencumbered.
You have to "let him into your heart" which excludes most people who put "Christian" or its varients on their census then go about their self-serving little lives. Christians who actually live by Christ's teachings (all of them, not just a few they cherry-picked because they are easy or convenient) are very few and far between and are the only ones I have any respect for.
Ok, so the Rapture didnt happen... But I had a great time on Saturday. I made sure I was sinning from start to finish. If it's going to happen, may as well have fun.
Honestly, it amazes me that anyone still takes religious ramblings seriously anymore. And it's true as has been stated already, the media is the only reason it became so heard about.
I like it though, as far as generations surviving apopalypse goes, our generation is doing pretty bloody well! Campings first Rapture, Millenium Bug threatening to nuke the world, I'm sure there was another apocalypse in the early 2000's, we've just had Campings second attempt, and soon to have the Mayan 2012 disaster.
Good job everyone! Keep dodging your own annihilation! ;)
From what the articles say, at least 3 people believed it. There are less than 3 billions Christians in the world. So no more than 99.9999999% of Christians didn't think there was going to be an Armageddon on Saturday – instead of 99.9999999999999% like you claimed.
If you use science as argument, obey it!
You would think a full time pastor would read his bible - whilst the likes of 1 Theselonians 4, Mark 13 & Matthew 24 talk of the rapture they also say things like `But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.` and `Watch ye therefore: for ye know not when the master of the house cometh, at even, or at midnight, or at the cockcrowing, or in the morning:`
The religious folks who believe in these extreme prophecies are really no different from those who believe that they will receive 70 virgins in paradise if they blow themselves up. The sooner the human race can eradicate religion of all flavours, the sooner we can all get on with concentrating on more useful activities, like figuring out for ourselves what the universe is all about...
"Their calendar comes to an end and the world goes "kablooie" next year."
Errrm... as the Mayans themselves are quick to point out - yes, seven million or so Mayans still live today - their calendar doesn't come to an end... just one of their eras, like our own Age of Pisces ended and the Age of Aquarius began.
And it also say's this will be the last generation (over 100 generations ago) - or maybe it meant generations of bristle-cone pines (that live for 1000s of years), or Suns - so we only get one - or badgers?
And it say's not to plant trees - because there won't be time for them to grow (generations of trees ago).
And say's not to sleep with your wife - cos the end is so near.
Face it, the bible said the world would end long long ago, and it didn't.
Give it a rest.
First of all if he truly believes his own words,he should give me his money now so someone might do some good for others in THIS life with it. Secondly I would not be going with that bunch of flock because apperantly his God lacks the compassion to help ALL people. So I wouldn't be caught dead with his God!
Well, I have really but lots of folk have beaten me to it. This man Camping is a danger to all humanity and should be locked up with the key conveniently lost. He has incited families to split and, in one case, a poor deluded mother to attempt to murder her kids and commit suicide. In short, he is a total and utter nutter who should be excluded from this world - somewhere miles from civilisation where he would be totally unable to push his influence on the sad and vulnerable people who seem to suck this stuff in like some sort of drug.
Saturday was "an invisible judgment day" in which a spiritual judgment took place, he said. But the timing and the structure is the same as it has always been, he said.
"We've always said May 21 was the day, but we didn't understand altogether the spiritual meaning," he said. "May 21 is the day that Christ came and put the world under judgment."
Radio host now says Judgment Day coming in October
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We all knew that Camping would invent some explanation, and now the mystery is solved. However, I consider it likely that he had already come up with that explanation, prior to the (non)event.
Given that there have been no media reports of the sighting of Christ on that date, are we to assume that the invisible Christ came (never mind) and conducted the invisible judgment day?
And, yes, I am having way too much fun with this!
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