Fan: "**sniff** Sorry Boss, *cough* *splutter* I'm sick.... Can't make it today..."
Boss: Oh, really.......
The Sun has thrown its weight behind an attempt to ID everyone who was at Wembley for Saturday's FA Cup Final, and who were captured in an impressive 360° hi-res picture as they cheered on Manchester City and Stoke City. The Sun's 360 degree view of Wembley. Pic: Jeffrey Martin, 360Cities.net The paper says the "largest …
no not really, "company takes photograph of crowd at public event" hardly shocking, mildly interesting to see people at a single moment in time. Could be worrying if you decided to throw a sickie and your company has people that will stare at these kinds of things, but then again, that's your own fault.
CCTV is already everywhere, bank transactions are easily funnelled through intelligence services systems, ECRB checks are common place, our internet connections will soon be funnelled through intelligence services (and the police will use it for fishing and lobby groups will use it to justify their view of the world.)
So am I worried about half decent photos of my ugly mug going into a sex shop one day? No, not really. Personally most normal people are entertained when they find a picture of themselves doing something on TV, in a DVD or on a website. It means you can go "hey look, there's me!!" something I and my friends often do on concert DVDs we get from Japan, "Hey that's my arm, isn't that You-Ann? olol you can hear me calling! Hey look it's your santa hat! Hey did you see the report about MM, you can see us as clear as day at the front of the crowd." "get in there"
the venue could quite easy have a no photography rule, but if the venue authorised the photo then all is perfectly legal and above board.
Even If they did not have authorisation from the venue to take photos, the only thing they could do is ask the photographer to leave.
the only issue would be if they wanted to use the picture for commercial purposes. they may need (but not essential) a release form completing for each of the people featured in the picture, but I don't believe it it necessary for a crowd of people.
and its 13 to have a facebook account... although a large % of under 13's have a account !!
Mines the one with the camera in the pocket.
"Anyone else slightly spooked by this, and where this could - potentially - go?"
Yep, big time.
Oh look here's a photograph of thousands and thousands of people, please identify yourself, your friends and tell us what your facebook accounts are pls k thnks.
Oh, don't bother with your address, we can trace that from the facebook ip logs.
But that doesn't mean the police know that.
There is no problem with taking photos of children (so long as it's "innocent") in a public place or in a venue you own, or even technically at a school play (but the school are free to eject you - however neither they or the police can demand that you delete your photos or anything else). People (including officers) who think otherwise are wrong. You just might have to spend an afternoon in your local nick to prove it.
taking photographs of children is NOT illegal.
I can sit outside the local playground snapping away photos of children all day if I want. Well, until a weekend bobby appears on the scene, quoting anti terror laws and whatever because somebody called the police.
and taking photos in London is not illegal ether. You can be asked not to under curtain anti terror laws if a particular area has been declared as under threat, but even then, you can argue that you are only taking photos the same as what goggle street view cameras have already done.
mines the one with the photographers rights card in the pocket to show the over zealous boys in blue if they want to give me hassle for street photography.
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A football stadium is not quite public. It's private property where the public are allowed to go. Just like shopping centres. They can and do impose their own conditions such as no photography and it's perfectly legal - usually stupid though.
So Wembley can allow photography and it's because it's a place where the public are allowed it's also legal to pictures of anyone without needing to hide their faces. Though everyone else (other gigapixel pictures, streetview, et al) do because everyone is scared about the privacy aspect - which is usually bunkum anyway.
Why is everyone scared of appearing on streetview but happy to have millions of CCTV cameras everywhere spying on you?
Even if you are in an ostensibly private place it doesn't follow that you have an expectation of privacy in law. In the case of Wembley stadium on cup final day it is clear that you would have no expectation of privacy since the place would be crawling with TV cameras and press photographers.
Robert, are you aware of the Crowd IQ Phenomenon? People in crowds try to adapt their IQs in order to mingle. Given that it's generally much easier to adapt to a lower IQ, the crowd's average IQ settles around the lowest individual IQ of the attendees. At best.
When two individuals both with the same IQ do not get on very well with each other they tend to lower their IQs. The larger the group and the higher its drive to homogeneity, the lower will be the resulting IQ of each individual, which is roughly the same as the average IQ of the crowd. It is called the lowest common denominator of IQ.
This also answers your question: you only need the IQ of the numptiest fan and this gives you an indicator for the maximum possible IQ of the crowd - not very likely a triple-digit figure.
that this appears slightly short-sighted for the people who point themselves out to the world.
I can imagine the police just waiting for those awkward types who persistently cause trouble but have not been identified yet to flag themselves on this, just so they (the police) can go and beat down their (the self-identified intellectually challenged football fan's) door.
Or maybe I'm a bit paranoid!
Too right. Each time I'm near Cambridge City football ground and some kind of pre-speech tribal howl goes up, I can't help thinking that a small tactical nuke would significantly raise the city's average IQ. Likewise, an al-Qaeda bombing campaign targetted exclusively at Sky Sports pubs with big St George's flags in the window would not be an entirely bad thing.
Personally I would find it an invasion of my privacy. Anyone taking a photo´ of me & then publishing it with out my express permission would be in for a big fight.
Maybe it is allowed in England these days, it is after all said & done the most observed country these days in Europe.
Here in Germany it would be not so easy to do anything like this. Unless of course you have waivered your rights through buying a ticket etc.
So, that is my pound of mustard said. I am sure that my views will cause some bellyache, but that is life, eh?
I took the kids to see the MK Dons v Peterborough. They wanted to see the Play Off semi; I'm ambivalent these days about the whole game with its diving cheating overpaid nancy boys <con't p94...> and sat for the first half hour with a grumble-face and arms folded wishing I wasn' t there. Guess what? After a while I started to get into it, enjoyed the shouting, the cheering, the dire language from some examples of yoof-of-terday behind us, and found myself jumping up at the third goal early in the second half. It was fun; we all had a smile on our faces, at least until the dubious penalty towards the end.
That tongue in cheek description earlier of IQs reverting to the mean may well be true. I saw an old chum there - met him when we both regular MENSA-goers and between the two of us I reckon we could have outdone the away end in terms of IQ scores - and he was having a sight more fun than I was. Explain that.
"Here in Germany it would be not so easy to do anything like this. Unless of course you have waivered your rights through buying a ticket etc."
Yes, those 88,000 people just turned up at Wembley without buying a ticket and luckily manged to sneak in through the back door just behind the burger van. Again.
Discovered this today
"The undersigned declares that any material filmed is for personal or internal use only
and is not for broadcast on any public transmission media anywhere in the world
(including but not limited to internet, terrestrial, cable or satellite), and agrees to pay
Silverstone Circuits Limited the sum of £5,000 if any material should appear on such
Last time I'll support the greedy bastards.
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