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Microsoft has killed support for its unloved Windows Vista operating system today. The company announced in February that the service pack-free version of its post-XP, pre-Windows 7 OS would hit end of life support in April. This means that from today, the OS which hit manufacturers in late 2006 is left entirely at the mercy …

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  1. Ben Rosenthal

    upgrading to Win 7 in that case

    but they can whistle if they think I'm paying for it!

    1. PrivateCitizen
      Troll

      Inevitable

      Time to upgrade to Linux you mean?

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Thumb Down

        Cracking idea...

        ...unless your a PC gamer or into creative stuff, like graphics, 3D, audio etc.

        There's more than one shade of geek.

        As far as I'm concerned, embrace ALL of it - linux, windows, mac - much easier that way & you don't end up sounding like some kind of 'know-it-all' penguin-hugging twat.

        1. sisk Silver badge

          Eh...

          I game quite well on my Linux box, including quite a few 3D games. I do graphics and audio mixing to, and my Linux box outdoes the Mac I have at work for that kind of thing.

          You're right about embracing it all, but don't dismiss part of 'it all' because you haven't taken the time to learn what it can really do.

        2. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          PC Gaymer

          Does anyone really play PC games anymore?

          Come on, you need to spend £300+ on a new graphics card and operating system every other year just so you can use the new version of DirectLame, then the DRM rapes your system dry AND 90% of the games are second, third, or fourth editions of some buggy WW2 FPS that wasn't even fun to begin with. Why suffer it?

          1. serviceWithASmile

            well

            I kind of agree.

            Except that your description of games only really covers Call of Duty series.

            There are still alot of games out there only realeased on PC, and also pretty much every new game made is either ported to or ported from the PC.

            True there is some expense involved but those who game on PC's usually have a PC to begin with. A modern system usually has plenty oomph and enough horses to run an Xbox360 port without too much trouble.

            If you want to run crysis warhead at the speed of light then yes a £300 gfx card would be warranted.

            However, on the topic of expense... it is true that my gaming system cost alot of dosh, and I could just go and buy an xbox 360 for about 120 quid. However, I would then need an HD telly to play it on (no point putting it through a scart plug on a tv or analogue monitor, looks terrible - i've done it) which usually cost upwards of 800 quid for a nice big one. Granted I could get a 25 inch one for about 300, but then I could build myself a capable system for that (£420) too.

            You talk about DRM, but have you ever played an Xbox360? It's there, it's just more well hidden.

            I *do* hate the DRM, but again there are alternatives. I have a fair number of games on Steam, I find that getting them from steam usually means that the only DRM is your steam account and the normal restrictions that go with it. Otherwise, I don't normally have any problems with typing in a CD key and letting the game phone home to activate it. Although activation limits are a completely different kettle of fat retarded tosspots with delusions of fighting piracy.

            Lastly, game makers are well aware of the failures of and popular opinion on Winblowz, and usually code their games to suit.

            You will find the latest game may use DX10, maybe even DX11, but it will also run on windos xp with DX9 and use about 2 thirds of the RAM while it's at it. Only upgradetards really spend that much on new stuff every year.... and I got my copy of win7 for 30 quid and my gfx for 160 - and that's all the upgrades I will need for atleast another four years.

            How long till Xbox1080 comes out and you need a new telly to support the latest "High" definition?

  2. Anonymous Coward
    Thumb Down

    Selective reporting

    This is support if you haven't got the service pack(s)

    is this article intended to set off the usual Linux v Mac v Windows rants?.

    What's the matter, UK election too boring?

  3. Chris Miller
    Dead Vulture

    Poor reporting

    The only support (and further security patches) that is ending is for Vista *with no service packs*. TBF the quotes from Microsoft makes this clear, but the author doesn't appear to have grasped it and the article is written as though all support for Vista was ending. If there are still users out there running Vista with no service packs, all they have to do is install SP2 and their support and security updates will continue as usual.

    OTOH support for XP will cease in July irrespective of the SP status (i.e. earlier than Vista, which is exactly what one would expect).

  4. Anonymous Coward
    FAIL

    MicroScrew...

    ...strikes again. "Sorry we let you down with Vista ... but cheer up, simply give us some more money and your problem will be solved! Discount because we already screwed you over? Not a chance!"

    1. Malcolm 1
      Unhappy

      Election

      The UK election is definitely very boring - I started to despair the moment I saw the BBC's twatterific website go live on April 6th: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/election2010/liveevent/

    2. Rob Moir
      Thumb Down

      Well...

      Other than Vista being supported still if its patched up to date and the fact that they _did_ offer substantial discounts for upgrades when Win7 was launched you almost had a point there.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        FAIL

        RE" Well...

        I think the pertinent part of your post was "when Win7 was launched".

        Now that the rug is being pulled, there's no cheap upgrade.

    3. Hedley Phillips

      Doesn't XP Support end in 2014?

      Chris Miller said: "OTOH support for XP will cease in July irrespective of the SP status (i.e. earlier than Vista, which is exactly what one would expect)."

      I thought it was just XP SP2 that came to end of life on 13th July 2010 and full support will end for XP irrespective of SP level on April 8, 2014?

    4. Chris Miller

      Good spot Hedley

      You're quite correct - it's support for XP/SP2 that ends in July. Just as for Vista without any SPs, it's hard to see why anyone would *need* to run in this state - though with umpty-odd million users, I guess there will always be a few exceptions.

  5. zunex

    Mind your laptop batteries...

    As win7 will - no doubt - kill a dozen of them.

    I am wondering why the glorious likes of El Reg has more or less stopped covering this, post MS' official statement.

    The problem DOES exist, batteries DO die - mind you, only days after installing win 7.

  6. Jolyon

    Behave

    'Coffin lid', 'killed', 'left entirely at the mercy of hackers'

    All a bit OTT.

    Helpful to remind people that support for Vista with no service packs is coming to an end - anyone getting an SP on will be grateful of it anyway - but no need for the misleading spin.

  7. Baldychap
    WTF?

    The cheek of it!

    If they can't be bothered to support the poor souls who have a Vista system then the least they can do is offer a free upgrade to Windows 7, it is after the OS that Vista was meant to be.

  8. Andrew Baines Silver badge
    Stop

    Nonsense story

    They're dropping support for the service pack free version - IT JUST MEANS YOU HAVE TO INSTALL SP2!

    Obviously a slow news day.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      I suppose

      they could co completely out of their way & offer a free update to service pack 1 or 2 and bring these poor souls back up to a supprted level.

      they could even have automated the whole process and made it so that you would have had to go out of your way to not already have one of these free updates.

    2. henrydddd
      Thumb Down

      Vista

      What Vista was meant to be has been obfuscated by bloat.

  9. Anonymous Coward
    Grenade

    He's kidding

    After the debacle of Vista, Microsoft should be shelling out cash to teh punters for the crappy operating system they forced on people who had no option other than to buy it on computers.

    Yes, Dell, that also means you ... you who won't give people refunds for the Microsoft OS if people want the hardware spec, but not the OS.

  10. Anonymous Coward
    WTF?

    Vista buy or new OS or have it shoved down your throat.

    Great, so all those poor unfortunates that had a laptop shoved down their throat with PISTA installed (a crippled OS as MS have just admitted) just have to go and buy Windows 7 for a paltry £100 or so? I wonder what would happen if Car companies tried that? "What sir? oh, yes the accelerator on the model you bought 10 months ago is known not to work, the bodywork falls off and the doors dont shut properly. Just buy our latest car sir." JEEEZ can MS get away with just about anything??!

  11. John Munyard

    Some level of support

    I'm sure Microsoft won't be too bothered with the opinions of a mere Customer but this is pretty dreadful really isn't it.

    I bought a laptop with Vista (don't forget the "wow") a little over two years ago and already the support plug is being pulled. If I buy a copy of Windows 7 how soon will it be until support is withdrawn from that as well?

    I'm sure Microsoft would deny this, but it feels quite contemptuous and arrogant from this customer's perspective. If I go into my VW dealer I can still purchase replacement parts for my 18 year old Volkswagen... why should Microsoft stop supporting thier products as little as a year after sale?

    Shame on them.

  12. Anonymous Coward
    Gates Horns

    Confused

    Don't Microsoft support a product for a minimum of 10 years ?

    I have Vista Ultimate on my 14 month old PC. It sort of works. I don't want to pay £200 to go to Windows 7 Ultimate. There does not seem to be a lower cost of upgrading the Ultimate versions of Windows Vista to Windows 7...

    I should have bought an iMac instead of my Core i7, 8GB, Raid0, Radeon 4850, Blu Ray equipped PC... I was foolishly comparing costs based on spec, not on customer experience.

    Can we have an evil Balmer logo ?

    1. KarlTh

      No, twit

      Install SP2. Job done. You're still supported. Read for comprehension.

    2. Anonymous Coward
      FAIL

      Fuck You (TM microsoft)

      Microsoft want you to buy an xbox you fool.

      can you hear the laughter now?

      anyway if you want Win 7 ultimate I think its about £70 through the education scheme. click through to resellers from MS site (.ac.uk email address required)

    3. Anonymous Coward
      Boffin

      errghhh No

      @John Support on Vista is not ending, just on Non-Patched Vista, If you install SP2 of Vista you will still be supported.

      The story was unclear, but if you read it a couple of time you could see through the fud, that this is a non story

    4. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      I saw an advert on TV for Dell

      It's worse than that, Dell are still trying to push vista onto unknowing consumers.

      Just the other day, I saw an advert for a Dell laptop.

      It came "complete" with "2Gb of Ram, an Intel Celeron Processor <bing bong bing bong> and Windows Vista Basic."

      They wanted something like £375 for it.

      This was like yesterday, hosestly!....yesterday...not two years ago, YESTERDAY!

      After I'd spat my cornflakes everywhere with laughter. I decided never ever to buy anything from Dell....EVER!

    5. Maty

      There's an article under the headline ...

      ... did you read it?

      Those 'poor unfortunates' don't have to buy win7 - they have to install the latest service pack, which costs nothing apart from the time and bandwidth involved in downloading it.

      To return to your analogy, it is more like a car company saying 'You have not changed the tires or serviced this car since you purchased it - you can carry on driving but we want nothing to do with it.'

      1. Anonymous Coward
        WTF?

        RE: There's an article under the headline ...

        "To return to your analogy, it is more like a car company saying 'You have not changed the tires or serviced this car since you purchased it - you can carry on driving but we want nothing to do with it.'"

        Cars don't randomly crash on you and other drivers can't suddenly grab the wheel from half the world away, steer you to an atm and rob you.

        If Microsoft released a car, they'd be sued for negligence and put out of business on day one!

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Joke

          You Sure?

          "Cars don't randomly crash on you"

          Unless it's a Toyota!

    6. Citizen Kaned

      this is a title. will it suffice?

      why would you?

      vista ultimate was toss. i bought OEM home premium win7 64bit for £85. the ultimate versions are just full of crap you never use. the only thing i thought about was maybe VPN but im sure i can do that anyway by other means. and vista home could connect to a domain fine so i never understood about that limitation.

      win7 is MILES better than vista. its really nice to use, unlike the UAC ridden vista

    7. Aaron 10
      Flame

      Dell Hell

      A co-worker of mine purchased a standard Dell laptop with a 15" screen and 160GB hard drive. It came with Vista Home Edition, which is fine, but Dell only saw fit to install 512MB RAM (with shared video memory!) on the default configuration. Control Panel took over 3 minutes to appear.

  13. Anonymous Coward
    FAIL

    Good and bad

    Personally I think it is great and the sooner Vista is dead the better.

    However, to paraphrase Rev Lovejoy's wife, wont anyone think of the users?

    Lots of corps have remained on XP - great. Most technogeeks are on *nix/Win7 etc. Both camps shout loudest about Vista's inherent suckiness and will be overjoyed by this (I am).

    However all the home users who have bought a computer in the last 3 years are basically being told to cough up and upgrade. I bought a PC from a "High Street Chain" in Dec 09 and it had Vista on (didnt bother me cos it was destined for *nix). Every machine in the shop had it. Lots of people were buying them.

    The user base of Vista is infuriatingly large but not comprised of corporations or technophiles. This means MS have turned off life support for what is possibly the most vulnerable group of people and *least likely* to understand what is involved with getting it upgraded or turned back on.

    Way to go MicroShaft.

  14. Daniel 1

    Well, that kind of nails it

    Never was there a 'Skip-edition' like Vista! I have a suspicion that as Windows 7 and its successors start seeping into company networks, then supporting Windows environments is suddenly going to get a whole lot more expensive and time consuming. Sometimes you never know what you've got until its gone - and many IT shops have coasted along quite happily for the last five or six years, comfortable that they could more or less expect that every single client machine in the Windows network was a Windows XP Pro machine.

    Maybe it will return to a state similar to the late 90s and early last decade, when any mixture of NT4, 95, 98 and 2000 boxes, could be located on a single pod within a single office? If so, then the IT crowd may once again learn to love Windows division's habit of making each new version of Windows, 85% compatible with the previous versions - with all sorts of interesting exceptions, that eventually involve opening a command line and typing in the name of some God-awful DDL, to resolve dependency clashes.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Well...

      ME was prety darn awful and very, very skippable in my book.

      1. Ken Hagan Gold badge

        Re: Well...

        So skippable that most folks now don't remember it ever existed.

        But then, after NT was released, pretty much every version of DOS-based Windows was skippable.

  15. Pasi Makinen
    WTF?

    Missing data...

    As anyone can check by Googling/Binging 'Microsoft Support Lifecycle', it's stated that:

    When a new Windows service pack is released, Microsoft will provide 24 months of support for the previous service pack.

    The same has always applied to XP also.

  16. KarlTh

    Amazing how many commentards

    haven't noticed that this is a complete non-story. Windows Server 2003 with no SP is not supported. XP pre SP2 is not supported. Vista with no SP is not supported. This is business as usual. MS only ever supports the current and previous SP for any length of time.

    For the hard of thinking:

    VISTA IS STILL SUPPORTED BY MS

    You just have to service pack it, if for some arcane reason you haven't already done so.

    I'm not sure who has the lowest IQ here - the reporter of this non-story, the headline writer who got it completely wrong, or the commentards who can't read for meaning. Minus several million out of ten for intelligence, all.

    1. The Fuzzy Wotnot
      Thumb Up

      We know

      Yeah, but why let a thing like plain, simple facts get in the way of stirring up the *nix/Fruit/Billy fanbois into a frenzy of attacking each other?!

      BUY APP...no wait..BUY LIN...oh hold on you can't, BUY SOMETHING WHICH IS BETTER THAN THAT ONE, 'COS A BLOKE ON A FORUM SAID SO!!!

  17. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    About time...

    ...copyright law for software was changed radically. If all unsupported software automatically became public domain, people like MS might change their tune pretty quickly.

  18. Anonymous Coward
    Grenade

    suggesting punters should consider shelling out some cash for an upgrade

    Fuck em! After paying for Vista Ultimate, and getting screwed over, I'm a fully paid up pirate supporter now.

  19. Joe Welcome

    No support at all?

    After reading this article, I do not understand if it is to be that my Vista installation will have no more patches from now on.

    <--- Vista x64 SP2

    1. Chris Young
      Pint

      @ Joe Welcome

      If you genuinely can't work out whether your SP2 Vista will still be supported, despite reading the article and the comments above, I suggest you sell your PC and spend the money on something simpler.

      1. Rob Moir

        Harsh But Fair

        {nt}

    2. En_tropy

      It's easy..

      Ignoring all the retarded comments from the retards..

      What do you have installed;

      Service Pack 2 - Nothing changes, support as normal.

      Service Pack 1 - Nothing changes, support as normal (but you should install the latest).

      No service pack - You're 22 months behind with updates released by Microsoft to the point where they will no longer offer you any further UNTIL you update to one of the above.

      Nothing outragous, scandelous or shameful here..

  20. MOJ Employee
    Unhappy

    Just me then?

    Am I the only one that finds Windows 7 less reliable than Vista? ...and that was after a clean install.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Unhappy

      yes, just you

      MOJ Employee wrote: "Am I the only one that finds Windows 7 less reliable than Vista? "

      Probably - since street wisdom seems to indicate that MS got Win7 a lot less wrong than Vista was/is. Certainly I can use Win7 for longer than the 10 minutes that it takes Vista to royally p*ss me off and have me screaming for the relative sanity of either XP or Ubuntu.

      Here's a question for the cynical commenters out there - so is this XP finally dead (come July)? In which case aren't the netbook vendors that are still shipping XP (rather than a decent Linux distro) going to look a wee bitty stupid?

    2. Peter Kay

      No, but only until I'd updated the drivers

      Once I did that my problems went away - specifically with the bundled ICH7 (specifically : SATA AHCI) drivers, and Nvidia drivers for the 7600GT.

    3. Anonymous Coward
      Gates Horns

      MOJ Not alone

      No, it is at least the two of us.

      My Win 7 laptop crashes more than my Vista SP2 desktop. Is that simply the laptop vs desktop? Who knows.

      IE 8 on Win 7 is so unstable to be unusable, which is kind of reassuring....

    4. bex

      window 7 problems

      By the Time I took Vista off my main PC it was bomb proof with no problems at all. My main pc now with windows 7 can't be trusted to be left on over night as there is a good chance that it will bluescreen and be left on the login screen after restarting, taunting me.

    5. Big-nosed Pengie

      Don't know...

      ...but I can confirm that W7 (which I'm forced to use at work) is a festering pile of dog turds. If it sux less than Fista, all I can say is that Fista must be a cosmic pile of ordure.

      1. Rob

        High probability...

        ... that the reason your Win7 sux IS beacuse your IT department haven't bothered to configue your machine properly. If it's an IT department like most nowadays they are also probably about 6 months behind with updates (if they do any at all).

        That's all suggestive of course and I haven't even mentioned hardware and whether Win7 should be on your machine at all!

  21. Anonymous Coward
    Flame

    Fuck you M$ again !!!!

    I got lumbered with a Vista Home laptop 2 years ago, and despite it being more than capable of running windows 7 from our Action Pack, it won't upgrade. Fresh install only.

    Bastards.

    1. Slartybardfast
      FAIL

      Eh?

      What's your issue?

      Your OS is still supported.

      You have read the article and updated to SP2?

      As to upgrading to Win 7. If you look online you'll find many sites telling you how to do a fresh install of Win 7 using an upgrade disk. OK, so you will have to back up your data, but you do that already of course. You'll also have to reload any software which could be a pain. However, an upgrade from one version of an OS to a new major version is never a particularly good idea.

      I may be missing the point here but I don't understand your rant.

  22. Paul 77
    Linux

    Yes but...

    What do you do if attempts to patch Vista to service pack 1 fail? Can you stick service pack 2 on such a system, and is it likely to work any better?

    Thank goodness for dual-boot...

    1. Fuzz

      not this time

      No, with Vista you have to be on SP1 to install SP2, similarly with XP you have to be on SP1 or SP2 to install SP3.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Thumb Down

        Wrong

        That's not true at all. SP3 can be installed on XP RTM just fine.

  23. DEAD4EVER

    microsoft slams coffin lid on vista

    dont get me wrong windows 7 is great but if your worried about battery problems in 7 why not just have a desktop and be done with it least its more customisable than laptops because laptops are harder to change and tweak so laptops are only good for portability and thats it although i wouldnt recommend going out in places like cafes and stuff advertising your exspensive laptop to thiefs as thay will think oooh hes got a nice laptop lets nick it from him. i dont agree that taken your laptop to public places is good as its bad as it will lead to more robberys where desktops stay in one place i know desktops take up more room but its worth it. so as for vista well it was disaster from day one xp was good despite still having issues now ive had windows 7 on my desktop for roughly 7 months now and its been pretty good fast and stable i havent any problems with it at all which makes a change from microsoft usally they do crap software

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      @Dead4Ever

      Now type that all again, but don't use the space bar. Congratulations on avoiding all punctuation the first time, though!

    2. serviceWithASmile
      Flame

      um....

      wtf!?

      Did you just finish reading feersum endjinn too?

      Or did someone nick ur laptop before you got too pissed to remember about punctuation, or how to construct a comment relevant to the topic of the thread you post it in?

  24. Doug Glass
    Go

    MS Slams Door on Vista???

    Don't think so. That was done years ago by "everybody" except MS. They're just finalizing a forgone conclusion.

    1. Pete 40

      Vista - ain't nothing but a hound dog

      It surprised me, and yet didn't, that Microsoft didn't offer a free upgrade from Vista to 7. Vista was so much of a turkey, particularly in its earliest incarnations, that Microsoft could have done with clawing back some of the goodwill it lost by offering such an upgrade and, as a bonus, getting as many people off Vista as possible. However, in practical terms, they have an operating system monopoly in this market, and so obviously decided that demand and supply meant that they could get away with making it a paid upgrade. I suppose that a free upgrade would also have been seen as some form of admission that they got it spectacularly wrong with Vista.

      What surprises me, and doesn't surprise me, even more though is the evangelical way in which some people have been praising 7. Look at XP, look at 7, and look at all the years in-between and in essence the product has not gone very far for the ordinary user. 7 is simply, and ignoring some of the under-the-hood improvements, XP with eye candy. The evangelists are seemingly very easily pleased.

      1. Arctic fox
        FAIL

        Just XP with eyecandy?

        I have Windows 7 dualbooted with XP on a 2-year old HP laptop and am in a postion to compare the two of them very directly. My only comments on "Just XP with eyecandy" are:

        1. Total spheroids.

        2. Are you a Mac user by any chance?

        1. Pete 40
          Happy

          Re: Just XP with eyecandy

          No, Monsieur Arctic Fox, I'm not a Mac user, by what I imagine is your definition of the term anyway. I'm mostly a Windowsboi, having also used Macs and dabbled in Linux/Unix (and even cute wee QNX) during my time as many of us have. Ok, I'm intrigued, here's your chance to pitch for 7. How does it float your boat where XP doesn't?

        2. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          You're a (Windows-based) PC. I'm a Mac... and Linux.

          Serious question time... what are the differences between XP and Windows 7 (or Vista for that matter)...?

          Does Windows 7 offer any new features or functionality, or is it just the same stuff as XP but faster / bigger / more colourful....? They're all just operating systems, at the end of the day, it's the applications that run on top of the OS that is what makes it interesting.

          The guy you replied to may have been just a troll, but I'm being serious and, as you say, you're in a position to compare both quite easily.

          Thanks.

  25. Dave Cradle

    Awful

    This is just pathetic tittle-tattle, not journalism. It's like the author was trying to post a comment on youtube and sent it here instead When there enough genuine reasons to loathe vista why spout spiteful little lies?

  26. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    am I bothered?

    Where I desperately need to run windows I'm 'upgrading' from 2000 to XP in the next couple of months. Some systems that are offline will continue to run 2000 for many years to come.

    Life is great in the second half of the product lifecycle, everything runs much quicker, all the bugs are fixed and there are no security issues ; %^((*&) ef;lfhd;lfj-dbxcimlkjjkx&&qwfjdkf nigeria 7.2 x million buffer overflow

  27. Anonymous Coward
    Paris Hilton

    In other news....

    ...reports of thousands of brand new cars breaking down after 300 miles!

    Owners not aware they had to refuel them.

  28. mscott71

    Upgrade?

    Ligman can suggest that I upgrade from XP to Windows 7 all he wants, but until Microsoft releases an upgrade that can do it without wiping your hard drive and installing from scratch, I'm not sure I see the point - because that's not an UPGRADE.

  29. Anonymous Coward
    Joke

    Face it

    With Vista installed, you need support!

    .. from a trained team of psychiatrists!

  30. Paul 129
    FAIL

    Shame

    Cant MS get it over with and kill vista. Kill win7 too ( Its just vista with spoilers and flares duct taped to it, and a Targa top to make it go faster) we want a real OS thanks.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Troll

      Yawn...

      ...I used Used Red Hat 3. The lastest version is the same with extra spoilers and gaffer tape on it.

      I know I'll use Linux. Oh hold on, nmost of my fucking apps won't work.

      Now go find a bridge to hide under, the suns coming out.

  31. Revelationman
    Grenade

    I do not see a reason to upgrade to Windows 7

    I run Vista SP 2 Business and I have never ever had one problem contrary to what others have said or going say.

    Windows 7 is Vista but with a bit more bells and whistles , the problem with Vista is that it came out to early. Vista SP 2 is very solid in my mind, if they do stop support for Vista then I will go Linux I am not going to fork out extra dollars for Windows 7. To me Windows Vista users should get a massive discount to upgrade to the new OS, I mean Linux does it for free.

    The problem with Microsoft is they have knob heads for users,; users that do not find out if their hardware will work with a new system. Now is that Microsoft's fault I do not believe so !

    1. heyrick Silver badge

      Hi, a knob head here...

      ...and thanks for the compliment. :-)

      Actually, didn't most versions of Windows (and no doubt 7 too) have some sort of tool you can run to analyse your computer and tell it if it was capable of running on the machine under test? I recall one (Vista?) that gave lots of recommendations, except when - for a laugh - I tried it on a 16Mb P75 running W95. It said nothing at all. Mmmm, wonder why.

    2. gimbal
      Pirate

      @Revelationman

      Microsoft does it for market-share, especially in the unwitting-consumer market.

      Microsoft isn't necessarily so non-nob-headed themselves. At any rate, their little ecosystem of intellectual farcehood certainly benefits Microsoft, in the global economy.

    3. FreeTard
      Thumb Up

      vista for desktops..

      Totally agree with you. I'm writing this on my vista machine, and no way would I shell out cash for windows7 as it is the same kernel as vista.

      Vista runs just as well as win7 -- addmittedly with 90% of the services disabled.

      When MS eol vista, then I'll just use a linux distro instead. Fedora or SLED most likely, since I already admin linux servers.

      I do prefer windows on desktops, but never ever on laptops, as the windows memory management / power management is rubbish, and I do like instant suspend a la OSX. Windows7 still cannot do that.... I have tested it.

  32. heyrick Silver badge
    Dead Vulture

    Big fail Reg...

    You don't get to be a reliable news/information source by writing lines like "Microsoft has killed support for its unloved Windows Vista operating system today." and "This means that from today, the OS which hit manufacturers in late 2006 is left entirely at the mercy of hackers who might wish to exploit the now unsupported code."

    What you mean is "people who are, for some odd reason, using Vista without any service packs installed, will no longer have official support from Microsoft", but for some reason you needed to bulk out the article to slightly more than one sentence, and what better than a load of FUD? <sigh>

  33. seattlesound

    This article is erroneous and biased.

    Mind boggling how dense the author of this article is. Microsoft has not stopped supporting Vista. Read the big print at:

    http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windows-vista/default.aspx

    IMPORTANT:

    Support for Windows Vista without any service packs will end April 13th, 2010. After that, you will no longer be able to get security updates.

    So just what does that mean? It means that you need to install the service packs to continue to get updates. Was that so hard?

    Time for some of you here to get a life.

    1. Pete 40

      Do you know...

      The comment above is why I despair of the way people interact these days. Rather than just calling the author out for presenting a misleading headline (which would be justified), the commentard here calls him "dense" and then finishes up with "Time for some of you here to get a life." Why be so aggressive and dismissive? Are we now insecure in ourselves to such an extent that we have to talk and act like this? Anyone know?

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        You mean like....

        ...calling him a "commentard"? I believe you're saying he's retarded. Don't recall seeing that in Debrett's.

        1. Pete 40

          Well...

          ... you believe incorrectly. To me, a commentard is a person who makes a comment to an article on the Register, like you and I. Or at least it was until I just checked the Urban dictionary. Ok, I'm corrected, he or she is just a commenter then, although it doesn't quite have the same ring to it. Nice spot though - good to see someone's paying attention.

          1. Anonymous Coward
            Anonymous Coward

            But but....

            ...why did you begin by saying I was wrong then?* Have the grace to acknowledge a slip without getting a dig in first. If good manners is your priority, old bean.

            *Rhetorical.

            1. Pete 40

              One man's dig is another man's factual correction

              No dig intended, honest squire.

              1. Anonymous Coward
                Anonymous Coward

                But you just did it again!

                with the patronising title of your reply. You couldn't just say "no dig intended", you headlined it with all that "one man's blah is another blah blah blah" guff.

                When people start with a title like "Well...." and then follow through with "...you believed incorrectly", they often do it to mean "What comes after the dots really skewers this guy!" (I did it myself in my first hilarious reply to your original post). I believe you intended that effect (you don't need to "factually correct" me on that btw), but if you really didn't mean it I'm sure you saw how someone could take it that way and therefore "one man's blah" guff not warranted.

                A handy hint when making a correction is to put the apology right up front, maybe in the title, and state it simply. Then, if you must, put whatever self justifying petulance you want in the small print. Lessen the blow.

                Right. That's my self justifying petulance all written up with as much patronising as I could muster. Over to you.

                (Actually just winding you up - irony of your impassioned plea for respect and politeness turning into a series of insultingly written replies. Couldn't resist. If you could just post a "get a life" type answer things would be dandy.)

                1. Pete 40

                  Get a life!

                  Happy? :-)

                  1. Anonymous Coward
                    Anonymous Coward

                    The internet as it was intended

                    For a minute there I thought a debate was going to fail to degrade into chilidish point scoring. Phew.

                    (and yes - that original chap (or lady) was needlessly offensive. Strangely confrontational people have always been around, it's just that the internet allows them to share their rudeness at a click. You see a similar thing in cars where the isolating effect of being wrapped in a personal steel and glass shield brings out the worst in people with short fuses. People who would probably temper their outbursts if you were standing face to face.)

      2. KarlTh

        Bollocks

        Frankly, given the utter drive of the headline and the obvious inability of both the author of the article and the commentards thereafter to read for comprehension, "dense" is a pretty mild comment.

  34. Anonymous Coward
    Paris Hilton

    Version

    Windows Vista is v6.0 and Windows 7 is v6.1 just like Windows 2000 is v5.0 and XP is v5.1. So Vista is to 7 what 2000 is to XP.

  35. Herby Silver badge

    Windows Vista was SUPPORTED?

    Boy, you could have fooled me. Microsoft supports its users, why you could have blown me over with a feather.

    Of course, my wife's computer is running W98 just fine, but all she does is browsing.

    Oh, well.

  36. EvilGav 1

    Lordy

    Aren't we all fired up today.

    I've read every anti-Vista comment going, even had friends who complained bitterly that it was rubbish.

    Yet, here I am, running it for the last 2 years with no issues whatsoever (on 64-bit no less). It runs quite happily for weeks at a time without crying foul, running out of memory or blue-screening and without slowing down. It does all that while I open and close different games and applications in an almost endless succession, whilst I let it download giga-bytes of data in the background and so on.

    But it's no fun to talk about an OS that actually does do exactly what it's meant to, is it.

    I should also point out that this is a multi-boot machine, so that I could keep XP, yet I cant remember the last time I felt a need to start that up.

    1. Pete 40

      Lordy lordy, it's the fat Vista

      I run Vista machines too. I'm not adverse to the operating system (after SP1 anyhow), but it's obviously more resource-hungry than XP, was shipped on many machines that were inadequate for purpose, and initially had its horrendous file copy problems. Those machines that I do run Vista on have UAC switched off and various other tweaks that make the use of the operating system quite manageable. However I shouldn't have needed to do this. User interface-wise, it was a step forward from XP (I do like me gloss it has to be said) but the performance price was simply too high. There are various software packages out there that will give an XP machine a glossy aero interface without the hungriness of Vista.

      Look, if you've got the hardware, as you obviously do, then Vista's fine, but it was so obviously inadequate for the majority of machines already out there (and many that were sold with it at the time) that it created headaches galore. Who knows whether the Vista design decisions were motivated by the need to stimulate the purchase of new hardware or not, but I'm not surprised that so many people have so many bad things to say about it and are all fired up. They deserve a moan.

    2. Andrew Norton

      hear hear

      I'm just the same, except only a year for me, but it came with two new computers (a desktop and a laptop) i bought a year ago. The only problem, is the drivers for my delorme GPS unit doesn't like vista; won't like 7 any better.

      I also used ME for years without problems. People said it's unstable crashes etc. - I accidentally left it running when I had a few jobs (working a TV show in Vegas, such a hard job being the technical advisor to people you'd know better for their day jobs, like Mythbusters, Spore, lycos, Tonight show etc ;-) but i went and left it not just running, but dialed up to blueyonder (before they upgraded the Liverpool cable network) When I came home a few weeks later (we filmed an entire season in one go, not only was the computer still running, the dialup connection was still active (somewhere I have the screenshot of it at 23 days)

      Most of the Vista and ME problems are the result of PEBKAC's. I do bittorrent support, and we get a lot of that too (all the recent fuss about utp, and before that the half-open ports thing etc). People who know 'just enough' get the wrong end of the stick, then cause a fuss and try and find ways around problems that don't really exist....

    3. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Err...

      Me too, but you forget: It's half term.

  37. David 155
    Gates Horns

    Vista/7

    Am I the only one who cant tell the difference between Vista and 7? It was just a rebranding to get away from Vistas poor reputation, surely?

  38. Peter Page

    Scuppered own post?

    "7 is simply, and ignoring some of the under-the-hood improvements, XP with eye candy. "

    So...If we ignore the improvements, then not much has improved?

    What if one takes note of the improvements? Has anything improved then?

    1. Pete 40

      Ha!

      Far better to hoist yourself on your own petard than have someone else do it for you. In answer to your question: yes, but not much. Not nearly enough. I'd be interested to hear your opinion though.

      1. Peter Page

        Security model, I suppose

        Not a vista/7 user myself. Ubuntu at home, XP at office. The security model seems to be the biggy. And I imagine if you put that along with the eye candy and other bits and bobs then microsoft are probably right to expect people to pay to upgrade from xp for it. If i'd paid for Vista I'd feel a bit peeved about paying a large whack to get to 7, though. I'm not entirely sure how much a leap from xp was expected though? What else was expected from a desktop OS?

  39. Robert Heffernan
    Grenade

    Upgrade?? Huh!

    Anyone who want's to "Upgrade" one windows version to another needs to have a good hard look at how their PC is performing.

    I am pretty sure Microsoft don't do "Upgrade Installs" any more due to things like the changes to filesystem locations like moving "C:\Documents and Settings\" to "C:\Users\". Sure Microsoft could have shuffled the files around on install, but there are so many badly written programs that a user could have expected at least a quarter of their apps to stop working. And who's fault would it have been then, not the app writer's oh no, it worked FINE before the upgrade.

    I am not a Micro$oft fanboi in any way, I feel they owe me a Win7 license for all the crap I had to go through with the whole Vista incident, but you gotta point the blame where it's due. In this case it's not at Microsoft.

    To be honest upgrade installs in the first place were a bad idea, if you are replacing the system software you should be using the time to also upgrade the latest drivers, security software and applications. It's a no-brainer really and no one I know would consider doing an upgrade.

  40. John Savard Silver badge

    Vista Is Still Supported

    ...as long as you install a service pack. As the story explains, but somewhat confusingly attempts to present this as a complete withdrawal of support for Vista.

  41. David McMahon
    Jobs Horns

    My post (don't hate it)!

    SP2 can't be slipstreamed in a Vista Disc which makes it a pain to install a fresh. I'm hoping that 7 SP1 will be "slipable"

    Also do see a lot of Vista computers unable to install SP1 or 2, I normally do a fresh install of Windows, install updates and drivers to get people going again.

    I've seen some low power Laptops with Vista and they are terrible, I install XP on these and they really do run better!

    oh and look up how much dwm.exe uses on some PC's (installed with the drivers it cam with

    http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/windows-vista/what-is-dwmexe-and-why-is-it-running/

    Jobs icon cos he the new.....

  42. I Like Heckling

    I own both

    About 18 months ago I built a new PC after my old one died (5yrs being overclocked took it's toll and the MB failed but everything else was fine and sold to fund the new one). I bought a copy of Vista 64... the first time I have ever bought a copy of windows that wasn't preinstalled on a machine... So the first one in at least 10yrs. :)

    Once you get by the few annoying little quirks, the side bar, UAC and such... it's actually a very stable system. The problem has been that it was released without the support of the hardware and software... lack of drivers, lack of compatibility and heavy ram use all took it's toll and the vista ready campaign was a huge mistake that backfired... and as a result it got crucified... media slammed it, people were put off and it tanked.

    But underneath it, when you actually got the driver and hardware support... it's a very good and very stable OS. I like it now, hated it when my BIL bought a laptop with a 64bit CPU and crippled with a 32bit OS... stupid, stupid, stupid.

    A couple of months ago, I built a high powered HTPC and bought win7 64... and once I tweaked that to get around a few annoying things (sound familiar), like putting the quick launch bar back where it should be and disabling a few things that I don't need to constantly be told... it's a decent OS.

    When win7 came along... the support was already there.. if win7 had been released instead of Vista it would have received the same slating that vista did. Sure 7 has a few extra things that raise it above Vista but that's evolution of an OS, not a revolution. I prefer the media centre in 7 to Vista, but that's because I can tweak it more... but MC could still be a lot better and MS should hire the guys who created the Media Browser plugin http://community.mediabrowser.tv/ to write the next one.

    So Vista is fine... unless you run it on hardware that can't cope... and they sold it preinstalled on exactly that... and it backfired... but the OS itself is fine once you know how to use it... now my fine OS will no longer be supported and I can't afford to upgrade it to 7... so my alternative is to suffer or find an alternative way to.

    1. Peter Page

      @I Like Heckling: I Like Helping.

      "now my fine OS will no longer be supported" - Only if your fine OS is Vista without service packs. Read the article again.

      1. I Like Heckling

        @Peter Page - Who Likes Helping

        "now my fine OS will no longer be supported" - Only if your fine OS is Vista without service packs. Read the article again."

        Yeah, I read that... but it's a given that support for Vista will be cut short even with SP, XP support is almost 10yrs old, Vista isn't going to make 5. Expect support for SP2 to be gone next year.

        Cutting of support for Vista early because it tanked is not the consumers fault, MS are actually encouraging me to seek out alternative sources for an upgrade... when I've actually started buying their OS's :)

        1. Peter Page

          @I Like Heckling: Glad my helpful helping helped

          You're concerned about how soon microsoft will drop all support for vista. Wasn't in the article or your original post. :-)

        2. Anonymous Coward
          Thumb Down

          @ I Like Heckling

          "It's a given" - no it's not, go and read http://support.microsoft.com/lifecycle/ - you can expect 10 years of support (5 years mainstream, 5 years Extended) for Business/Developer products and 5 years support (mainstream) for consumer products.

          For Vista in particular, see http://support.microsoft.com/lifecycle/search/?sort=PN&alpha=Windows+Vista&Filter=FilterNO - extended support for Business & Enterprise editions ends in 2017. Now, that's 10 years rather than the 12 years XP got, but nonetheless - install the Service Packs and you'll get 10 years out of it.

          My one issue with this is that the "Ultimate" editions of Vista and 7 (which the less tech-literate members of the userbase at my workplace seem to want, possibly just because of the name) are supposed to be functionally identical to the Enterprise editions but do not enjoy the same support.

  43. Herbert Meyer
    FAIL

    Properly disposed of ?

    Buried at a crossroads with a stake thru its heart ?

    Mouth filled with salt, sewed shut, face down ?

    Encased in high density concrete, buried in a lined pit ?

    Glassified, in a secure cave in a geologically quiet area ?

    Dropped thru the event horizon of a black hole ?

    Probably not, the Vista zombie robot will continue to clank across the landscape for decades. I can still find WindowsME systems. Stinky, stinky software.

  44. Ben Rosenthal

    bah

    caught out by the service packs bit, will stick with Vista for home use and XP for business in that case.

    We've tried the newer two but had too many incompatibilities (and yes we're fully patched up where patches are available due to requirements for PCI compliance).

    Both Vista and Win 7 work fine for me for personal use though, not stunning, but no major issues at all either.

  45. FuzzyTheBear
    Pint

    " So looooong suckers .. "

    Yeah Homer Simpsons famous words .

    The whole Vista bit is a comedy.I always wait before i buy any software.

    Wait to see how things goes for others.Vista was a train wreck.

    Im not sorry to see it go cause i never " upgraded " feeling the whole bit

    was too risky.Im certainly not going to get rid of XP . Works well and it's stable.

    Though 7 seem according to everyone that has it ,the right move to go forward.

    Meanwhile .. i saved a bunch of money switching my desktop to Linux .

    Dual booting to XP for work use ( Crestron devel env is win only ).

    Just tees me off to fork over so much money for a product that is not worth

    that much in the first place. Relative ? yes . But to me that money can be best put

    to use somewhere else. Bye Vista .. no tears here .

    Gone for a beer.

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