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James Cameron's 3D sci-fi romp Avatar appears to have deeply affected some cinemagoers who've found that life on Earth doesn't measure up to the prospect of living on utopian world Pandora. CNN reports that net forums are awash with dark musings on the impossibility of visiting the virtual planet, with those most deeply …

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  1. Michaelvbboyle
    Coat

    What the...?

    Straight-jackets-R-us would have a field day with that lot. Send 'em in..

    Problem solved.

    Mines the coat, with a few extra straps for that secure, restrained feeling.

  2. Anonymous Coward
    FAIL

    Trolled

    They have trolls on Pandora don't they?

  3. El Richard Thomas
    Thumb Up

    Lucy in the sky with diamonds

    "All of a sudden the world was as real as my own. At the end I stood up and started telling the people that they were the bad guys and were killing the Na’vi everyday with their western society."

    I haven't had acid that good for a looooong time!

  4. Pete 43
    Grenade

    Easy, buy the DVD

    Then enter the dream world at any time (sad b'stards)

  5. DZ-Jay

    Re: Bootnote

    Lester,

    I think that last one in the Bootnotes was someone's attempt at irony. It's funny, really, how he managed to cramp all sad Slashdot geek stereotypes into one single comment: 35 years old living in parents' basement, taking sci-fi movies too seriously, playing WoW, having a "guild wife" (wtf?), talking about hitler, etc.

    +1 Funny.

    -dZ.

  6. seanj
    Go

    Tips for avoiding the "Pandora blues"...

    Get a fucking life, seems to be surprisingly missing from that list.

    As for the bootnote - love it, hilarious stuff, piss-taking at it's finest. Probably better entertainment than seeing the film itself, so I hear...

  7. Stephen Hunt
    Troll

    Trolling

    I think a few Troll's may be inhabiting these Avatar forums (along with some PR guru's.)

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Thumb Up

      Lucy and such

      I didn't plan to watch this film. But if it's THAT good and at a quite competitive price compared to good acid I'll think again. Will there be flash backs too? Judging from those comments probably yes!

    2. Inachu
      FAIL

      YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!

      The symbolic political undertones of this movie and what we are doing in Afganistan is very similar. We would do anything even rape lil girl if the survival of USA was at stake.

    3. pedrodude
      WTF?

      Gotta be...

      ... a wind-up. All of it really. There just can't be anyone THIS stupid. (Just gotta keep repeating that to myself!)

    4. FSS
      Thumb Down

      Marketing

      This is really only good marketing. Avatar was a success even before launch (no one knew the story then). I remember watching Bones on television before the movie launch and there was a scene were people are painted and dressed like the Navi in front of the movie theater (before the actual movie launch!). So they were saying that it was a cult BEFORE being launched!

      This is only VERY VERY GOOD propaganda. It is, sadly, a syntom of the times and how society are really made of IDIOTS that can be so easily manipulated to think that an unreleased movie is already a cult.

      In fact, the story is nothing new (exactly what Americans did to Indians on the West or Spanish did to Maias and Incas on Latin America), but just with the SCI FI background added (gentle & inteligent aliens, some beautiful alien women, a crappy and unfounded love story, the bad guy that turns unexplicably good, a bit of ecology).

      Nothing really new or interesting.

      It is a sign of the times how people can even believe that that are lots of desperate souls crippled by this wonderful story that wanted to die and appear on Pandora. It is scary the level of manipulation we had these days. And how people are eager to fall for that (perhaps because we were made believe that that is so little we can do to change the reality we live in...)

      1. Bassey

        Has to be

        Reminds me of the reviews of the £600+ HDMI cable. Good stuff

      2. seanj
        WTF?

        wtf?

        What in the name of Satan's ringpiece are you talking about, and why in reply to my post, and more importantly - if it was you - why give my comment a negative rating?

        I am well aware that the post quoted in Bootnotes was clearly a fake - it's what I was alluding to, rather clearly I thought, when I said "piss-taking at it's finest".

        I have no idea what you're talking about, what it has to do with me, and frankly, I feel like I need to go home and wash the stink of your reply off my body with wire wool and bleach. Please kindly try to refrain from spouting shit anywhere near my posts in future, and I'll do you the same courtesy.

  8. Simon C

    oh dear

    looks like Darwin awards may have their yearly quota in a month or two.

    I've yet to see Avatar and its nice to see that people are experiencing the film as I expect James Cameron (initials JC - coincedence?) hoped it would be.

    But what keeps movies magic is that when the lights go up and the auditorium empties, you are back in real life.

    I'm often morbidly amused by people and their death rantings.....I find it amusing that people's hold on reality is so stretched that these people are broken by a bloody movie.

  9. Anonymous Coward
    WTF?

    huh?

    that film was a boring piece of crap. no real storyline and heaps of really cheap plot-devices. I've never seen anything just as kitchy as Pandora for quite some time. I think my eyes would likely hurt after some hours if i had to stay in that place for to long.

    1. joe90
      Thumb Down

      .. was it just me...

      Was it just me who fell asleep during the film?

    2. Pete 2 Silver badge

      I wouldn't bother

      > I've yet to see Avatar

      Every few years there's a film that comes along and resonates with the emotionally stunted and impressionable types. Whether it was Bambi, Watership Down, Harry Potter or whatever doesn't matter, there will always be a ready supply of children of all ages for whom a simple, sentimental and superficial story will turn into something greater.

      So far as the effects go, I didn't see the 3D version, but they weren't amazingly better than what we're used to from Jurassic Park, or if you've watched _Sanctuary_ on the telly. Despite what all the studio/media hype says. Not better - just bloody everywhere and much more expensive.

      Forget the hype, forget the effects, the story isn't much and has very little depth (and is one that's been presented many times before: mostly by Disney). By the time this hits the TV channels everyone will be wondering what all the fuss was about.

  10. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    MST3K Mantra

    Is just a show, you should relax now...

    http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MST3KMantra

  11. Studley
    Unhappy

    I know how they feel

    Ever since The Matrix, I've been ingesting red pills but I'm yet to wake up from this hellish dream-world.

  12. Tim Hall
    Paris Hilton

    God help us when the WoW movie comes out...

    If Avatar freaked these people out, what is going to happen when the World of Warcraft movie comes out? There are millions of WoW junkies who live in WoW already. If they see something even half the standard of Avatar they will probably be so depressed with they "real lives" that they will top themselves.

    It's the new natural selection!

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Joke

      Yeah but...

      ... i bet you've had some fantastic nights! ;)

      Hmmm I feel the need to make a trip to Amsterdam...

    2. Mike Hanna

      Stunning idea!

      Perhaps we should take all the warnings off sharp / poisonous / bottomless pit things too.

    3. Glyn 2
      WTF?

      what

      I thought avatar *was* the WoW game, it looked like it from the trailers

      Apart from looking like all too heartsy carp!

    4. Scott 71

      @Tim Hall

      The World of Warcraft makes planet Earth look like a paradise. Azeroth is a craptactular cesspit of overpopulated, diseased wildlife in various stages of perpetual killing rages, blighted countryside, dozens of factions of species with higher cognitive functions that want to kill everyone and everything else and rule the world, and thousands of mercenaries who roam the countryside, killing each other and everything they happen across in hopes of obtaining a little coin, trinkets, or shiny new armor that will make them even better at killing everything.

      Nobody in their right mind would want to live there.

      1. lglethal Silver badge
        Joke

        @ Scott71

        You obviously dont know any WoW addicts...

        Oh wait you said people in their right mind - yep your correct...

  13. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    lol

    buddy went to see it, his comments weer along the lines of "highlights - collecting left over candy"

  14. Scottvet

    Want to be a Na'vi?

    Just hold your breath for a minute or so, your face will turn blue so you will be part way there at least !!! LOL

    Scott

  15. Martin 19
    FAIL

    Good riddance

    To all the naive morons who feel that way about Avatar: Kill yourselves now. It'd be wonderful for the rest of us for you to stop trying to impose your fantasies on everybody else, and I'm sure that the loss of you would be good for the 'carbon footprint' or somesuch.

    Go on, do it.

  16. I Am Fledge
    Stop

    Or....

    "The movie was so beautiful and it showed something we don't have here on Earth"

    Wasn't most of the movie filmed in New Zealand?

    1. David Given
      FAIL

      Re Neq Zealand

      After LoTR came out, I read one rant by someone who kept complaining about the 'obviously fake CGI mountains composited into the backgrounds of every scene'.

      Sigh.

  17. Owen Parry 1
    FAIL

    Strong Feelings

    ...for a remake of Disney's Pocahontas.

  18. JeffShortland
    FAIL

    Well, at least it's not Twilight.

    I really used to bother me that people got that wrapped up in an obviously superficial film, aimed to simply punt CGI and tape it to a mildly engaging story. but hey, its the ADHD generation, and whatever keeps them going for more than 30 seconds at a time has it's merits.

    Honestly though, Every year there is a film that makes us look completely stupid as a society. when it wasn't potter, it was star wars, when it wasn't star wars, it was narnia, when it wasn't narnia, it was twilight, and now its avatar. It'll be something else in a few months ( like WoW.. which at least will be easily ruined by Ewe Bole).

    Avatar = Ferngully + CGI + blue tits

    /coments.

  19. Gianni Straniero

    Cheap therapy

    Once the daily trips to the IMAX start getting prohibitively expensive, they can just grab an old VHS of Pocahontas and watch that with some blue-tinted specs:

    http://failblog.org/2010/01/10/avatar-plot-fail/

  20. I Am Fledge

    Ok..

    Ok I take that back... there was no 'filming' in New Zealand... but a lot of the CGI was done there...

    I'd still disagree that theres "NOTHING on earth like Pandora" (sticking to the New Zealand point):

    http://www.rhinocarhire.com/images/CountryImages/400x500/New-Zealand-Mountains.jpg

    http://www.truenz.co.nz/walking/images/WhirinakiRainforestGuidedWalks2.jpg

    http://www.touristmaker.com/images/new-zealand/new-zealand-forest.jpg

    Maybe these loons should try living in the trees there...

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Thumb Down

      That's nice and all...

      But does it glow? Do you have sentient trees? How about horses that plug into your head?

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Awww

      I wuz gonna say that!

  21. JetSetJim Silver badge
    FAIL

    Is it me?

    Or was some wag on FailBlog spot on?

    http://failblog.org/2010/01/10/avatar-plot-fail/

  22. nichomach

    @Tim Hall

    Were you suggesting that this was a problem...?

  23. Tom 15
    FAIL

    Meh

    I felt quite suicidal myself after Avatar, mainly because it was distinctly average. Even the 3D, which everyone goes on and on about was much better in Up a few months before.

  24. Mike Kamermans
    WTF?

    How long will this article-style trend last?

    Just curious, how much longer will we be saying articles of the kind "funky title! A said ..., B said ..., over on forum X, C said ..., the end, we didn't bother embedding this information in a proper article because just quoting seventeen different other websites consitutes a post, right?"

    It's not like we didn't know how to write articles with what people said they'd do, or without quoting, in the past...

  25. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Dear me, how sad, never mind....

    Seems to me the people concerned were deeply inadequate long before they entered the cinema...

  26. andy gibson
    Happy

    "I'd do anything to be in Pandora"

    Speaking as someone who avidly watched ITV's "Secret Diary of Adrian Mole" in the 80's, I used to think that a lot too.

  27. Victor 2
    Troll

    trolling

    they see me trolling, they hatin'...

    1. NB
      Happy

      trolling

      rickrolling, trying to catch me typin' dirty...

    2. Sir Smokesalot
      Thumb Up

      @Andy Gibson

      LOL - Brought memories flooding back there.

    3. Ceiling Cat

      @Andy

      Wow. Nice reference.

      I wish they'd showes that here in canada. Never did see anything past the first few episodes.

  28. Matthew Barker
    WTF?

    Sounds like...

    we need to have mandatory community service for everyone after high school so they can build roads, parks, spend time outside and see that they can act rather than be the pathetic passive gits they've made themselves into.

    Sounds like it's time for a new 12-step group for the internet-affected.

  29. Binky

    CNN the trusted new source

    Turns out CNN kinda exaggerated a bit - http://www.jgc.org/blog/2010/01/cnncom-jumps-shark-by-writing-story.html

  30. Daniel Wilkie
    Grenade

    Well

    I still think the best way to sum up that film was Fern Gully crossed with Dances with Wolves.

    Take that as you will

    No I did not like it!

  31. Richard 120

    ROFL

    What a stupid bunh of unts, I rekon these people are the best ase yet for rereational drugs being legalised, prefer to live in a dream world? Go take heroin or some other opiates, sweet dreams.

    Stupid fukin C button

  32. Tim Russell
    Happy

    Ok seen it twice, haven't contemplated suicide...

    ...am I normal ?

    The film is certainly not everyones taste but I liked it, then again I liked 5th Element.

    Re: Pandora = New Zealand, I don't think so, went there (NZ) didn't see any blue people.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Or

      Dances with Smurfs

    2. Richard 81

      Blue people...

      Scotland?

      1. pedrodude
        Coffee/keyboard

        AC you owe me...

        ... a new keyboard!

      2. Dave Murray

        Aye!

        Theres a few million blue people up here, plus a load of orange ones too.

  33. Salazaar
    Boffin

    The solution...

    ...is to watch Dance With Wolves a couple of dozen times with a blue filter on the screen. Surely?

  34. Sam
    Unhappy

    Avatar is the new Twilight?

    Welcome the Avatards?

  35. JP Strauss
    Terminator

    Enjoyed most of it

    then the natives went all gaya-f@g and I almost threw up. I swear I almost got up and left when they started dancing around the giant tree. Otherwise, I quite enjoyed it (must admit that it was my first 3D movie).

  36. Dan S

    The Na'vi have a horrible time...

    Pandora looked very pretty, so I understand why it might seem superficially appealing compared with the more mundane aspects of real life. But the Na'vi have a horrible time what with getting killed and having their special tree burnt down.

    Floating mountains aside, we already live on a pretty cool planet. If what you learn from this badly scripted film is that you don't terribly like your life then do something about it. Not wishing to trivialise depression, but retreating into a fantasy world is only going to widen the gap between your life as you want to lead it and how you actually lead it. I'd try and focus on nice things that actually do exist on this planet.

    1. Fred Flintstone Gold badge
      Thumb Up

      Sorry..

      .. but I just want those floating rocks. I mean, it's so safe there. There's no way a terrorist can hide under one when it hangs a couple of miles in the air with no visible support and an as yet unexplained continuous source of water running a river from the top.

      I actually liked the film. Sure, some bits were improbable, but isn't that rather the point of a fantasy movie?

      What? No, not that they're blue and have luminous plants and have some kind of firewire connector in their hair (must be hard to get a decent haircut). No, I meant the improbable black-and-white stereotypes. It sort of yells "US made" at you, which even punctured my Hollywood sourced movie indoctrination. Thankfully it soon settled. Must be something they put in the drinks.

      Sarcasm aside, I think it was a bloody good effort, and an even better sale. Remember, for any theatre to show this they had to upgrade in full. Projector (more a sort of überLightpro that would burn the paint of the wall in office use), screen (silver coated, I presume for enough light) and sound system (which puzzled me a bit) - all had to be installed. Actually, the Lightpro isn't as outlandish as it seems - I saw the input select taking place when I went to the Avatar preview which had me almost rolling in the isles with laughter.

      The upside is that new movies can be distributed pretty much straight after they have been cut - no more mass replication needed. It all goes via the Innernet, and as long as they don't forget to enable the DRM it may even show. OK, they had a small oopsie in Germany with that, but for a v1.0 I found it bloody impressive.

      More please.

  37. Paul 87

    Meh

    Wow, just when I thought I was depressed, I read things like this and suddenly, life doesn't seem too bad!

    1. transientcylon
      Thumb Up

      Indeed...

      The last comment was just pure win. Bonus points for him being a WoW player. LOL, guild wife....

  38. Jon Double Nice

    You missed a bit off the end there:

    ......... I just wish I could stop thinking of this; it’s more than a movie. My Mom used to think I was too into WoW but that was just a game. I quit playing and told my guild wife there to just forget me. This feels real, that is just stupid now. I don't even really want to go into work. And I'd like to take a minute, just sit right there, I'll tell you how I became the prince of a town called Bel Air...

  39. Secretgeek
    Thumb Up

    @Tim Russell

    I second your comment. Seen it. Enjoyed it. Though the thought that I was looking at the future of gaming graphics was what really wet my whistle. 5th Element - great movie.

    Now let's get back to laughing at other people's mental illness shall we?

  40. Random Noise

    We need to talk about Lewis...

    Jesus, there are some strange people out there.

    We all know the real reason is that these people want to hook up with a chick with a tail.

    Imagine the possibilities......

  41. pctechxp
    Grenade

    Errrr

    Though dreaming of living in a fantasy world is generally an indication that someone is in need of a padded room, strong medication and a jumper with long sleeves that does up at the back if it teaches some people humility and care for their fellow human beings then that surely can only be a good thing, no?

    Sad state of affairs though that its taken a CGI film for them to realise that crapping on your fellow human and/or stabbing them in the back to get a pay rise/promotion or whatever is pretty shit

    As for the people suffering the 'Pandora blues' I have this advice stop blubbering, get off your rear and go and help a good cause, that'll help you and the rest of us.

    No I haven't yet seen the film.

  42. Barry Tabrah

    Play the game

    For those that need their daily dose of Pandora, why not buy the game? Pretty soon Assassins Creed Syndrome will set in and they'll get bored of Pandora and move onto other things.

  43. Inachu
    Grenade

    Hahahahahaha got the Hahahahah blues?

    The symbolic undertones of this movie smacks ourselves of it.

    The military is USA and the Pandorans are the muslims.

    USA will do anything to survive even kill and murder and rape 5 year old girls even if it means the USA will survive into the next century.

    We will use the CIa to discredit honest CIA agents like Palme who never did lie and told the truth about Africa and wanted them silent so that future bombers can infiltrate from Africa.

  44. pixel
    FAIL

    *sigh*

    "I just watched avatar a few weeks ago and I'm feeling depressed and sad." I felt like this whilst being forced to watch this 3 hour nature documentary. I felt better ~6 hours later when the headache caused by the "3D" went away.

  45. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Get out a bit

    This planet has more stunning beauty than anything than can be dreamed up in CGI. The sad thing is that most people are just to lazy/stupid to get off there arses and look for it.

    1. The Indomitable Gall
      Go

      Well said.

      Hopefully doctors faced with cases of the "Pandora blues" will have the good sense to recommend things like

      * A trip to the Rockies.

      * A hike in Yellowstone.

      * Standing on the edge of the Grand Canyon.

      * A boat journey on the Hudson or Amazon River.

      * A trip on an Antarctic icebreaker.

      * Crewing a yacht round the Hebrides.

      * Sea kayaking in a Norwegian fjord.

      * Piloting a river barge on the Canal du Midi.

      * River-rafting through Nepal from the foothills of the Andes.

      * Snorkelling on the Great Barrier Reef.

      * Walking the Great Wall of China.

      ...is there a limit on the size of these text boxes? [cont p.96]

      1. lglethal Silver badge
        Joke

        Just one thing

        Just one thing...

        "River rafting through Nepal from the foothills of the Andes"

        Damn that is one long rafting trip, might even need to cross an ocean or two to do it - them being on seperate continents and all... =P

        Still apart from that completely agree with your statement!

    2. Destroy All Monsters Silver badge
      Pint

      The USA will survive into the next century?

      Some people, I wonder of what they dream of at night.

      That's "Plame", btw.

  46. Robert Ramsay
    Unhappy

    The title is required, and must contain letters and/or digits.

    Reading that article made me a bit sad, actually. For those people, the final illusion that their life is worth anything at all has been cruelly ripped away from them. And that's a shitty thing to happen to anyone.

  47. Sarah Bee (Written by Reg staff)

    Re: Marketing

    You're saying you don't believe there are people with fertile imaginations whose lives offer them such little fulfilment that they could be sent into a depression by experiencing a stunning and frustrating glimpse of something they see as better (and which was designed in this case to evoke strong and deep feeling through powerful visual stimulus)?

    It happens all the time. People get depressed by reading aspirational lifestyle mags or just seeing others enjoying life more whether it's real, fictional or a reality-based contrivance. I bet you've watched something that's made you sigh a bit about the inadequacies of your existence, the choices you've made, the things you will never do or see or feel. You probably just squashed it for your own sanity, rather than tottering onto the internet in a desperate attempt to find others who feel the same.

    Not that there isn't marketing genius at work here. Haven't seen it yet - I fully expect to be gobsmacked by the visuals, irritated by the script and only vaguely wistful that the most spectacular thing I will do this week is buy a new washing machine.

  48. The Vociferous Time Waster

    The internet has a use...

    The whole point of the internet is so that people like this can pour out their souls to it and the rest of us can ignore them.

    Ironically Pandora is a harsh world where only the strong survive, every single one of these whining fucks would be food in minutes.

    1. FSS
      Alert

      Reply

      Interesting post, Sarah.

      But in fact any sciency fiction movie (or any movie) could trigger such reactions to our reality.

      Perhaps you're and most of these bloggers don't experience daily a more cold and hard reality, but comming from an undeveloped country (in my case Brazil), I feel that these bloggers really need to have more contact with the problems that they only see on TV.

      You can agree that this is escapism and not dealing with your own problems (and perhaps the problems that affect society in general). I'm just saying that as long as people try to live in fantasy worlds, be them Pandora, Vulcan, Middle Earth no concern for whats really happening exists.

      Perhaps this is a big manipulation or product of my imagination. Perhaps keeping things as they are is what moves the world. In the end, these persons reflect our belief that nothing can change, nothing can be done, if only we lived in Pandora....

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    3. neb
      Heart

      if you need a hand washing your smalls

      i know of a number of regtards who'd be willing to do them for you

  49. Jerome 0

    What about the game?

    Is the game really so bad that "likeadream" thinks reading the field guide and editing the wiki is more likely to cure your Pandora blues?

  50. Anonymous Coward
    Unhappy

    Speaking as a depressed person...

    ... this does kind of happen to people who are weighed down with problems that most of you would consider nothing, but to these people mean everything. Wanting to live in simpler times means you don't have such problems as in current times (i.e. salary, mortgage, terrorism), just living off the land with nature. Telling them to 'get a life' is mildly cruel, as they need to learn how to break away from their issues to do so, be it shyness, fear of rejection, bankruptcy, anything.

    However, these people may be idealising Pandora too much, ignoring all the vicious animals and focusing only on the plants, environment, views, and all the stuff the Na'vi get up to. For all we know, some of them may even be afraid of these animals, though we are only shown those to wish to fight, and no one runs from greater odds (even the 'evil' human soldiers plough on in the finale).

    Still in therapy, two years so far, to get over some childhood trauma (nothing horrific, just the wrong lessons learned) is difficult. Whilst I joked about suicide, I'd never consider it a viable option.

    Ironically I like computer games and find myself drawn to my computer for many hours (though not MMORPGs as you may imagine), but this is simply a way to dull my emotions and not think of the present.

    This is the reason people like artificial worlds, to get over something, or to ignore problems that have affected you since you were young, you get to dream a bit of a better place, even if it's for a short time. Yet, you never feel any better afterwards, and repeat watches may only make things harder for you.

    That's where psychology comes in, to get to the root of the problem, not to kill it mind, just to accept it as fact, and leave it in the past forever, to no longer affect you in future.

    I'll admit, the movie had many moments which made you think 'why are humans such bastards to others?', but I'm centred enough at least to know that this is fiction, and even though these things happened in real life (British colonisation, Native Americans, Conquisadors, Holocaust, etc), it is our own actions that define who we are, and not our heritage/gender/species.

    Overall though, the movie gave me the chills with all the high heights, and I feared falling, even though I was safe in the cinema. Not a true vertigo sufferer, just afraid of heights in general. It was standard hero's journey stuff, with predictable deaths/actions/love/characterisations, but a well told tale. I teared up a bit when the tree went down, but then again, I did that when the violin players played in the Titanic movie, good orchestra always gets to me.

  51. Peter Mc Aulay

    Imagination

    If they feel this way about a shallow film the gods forbid they ever read a proper book.

  52. Stevie Silver badge

    Bah!

    It was the same story when Star Wars came out in 1977.

    The message of hope in this is that the studio will undoubtedly release sequel after sequel that will gradually erode the power and majesty people seem to invest his daft cartoon with.

    The comment reproduced in the bootnote was masterful. El Reg should buy the author a pint.

  53. Sarah Bee (Written by Reg staff)

    Re: Imagination

    So, film is an intrinsically inferior medium to the book, Peter?

    Come on, have a go, I feel fighty today.

    1. RainForestGuppy

      A Book Every Time

      Oh Sarah,

      A single human brain is potentially more powerful than every computer on the planet, the words in a book are just an a idea or concept, if you let you brain do the processing the pictures will appear. And not just ultra High Definition pictures, but infinite point surround sound and a full sensory experience of smells and touch.

      So don't bother going to a your local fleabit to watch something artifical. Visit you imagination for the full HD experinence.

      I feel Philosophical today.

    2. seanj
      Troll

      hehehe...

      Mmm.... fighty...

      1. Richard 120

        Can you though?

        Maybe my imagination is just crap but try as I might, when I'm reading a book I just can't smell anything, other than maybe musty book smell.

        Nothing against books, but film can get a lot more information across to the brain in a lot shorter period, they still haven't got the smell thing going on though, which is probably fortunate.

        I like reading and watching movies and they both have their place, some things might work better in books, some work better in comics and some work better in film.

        Sean of the Dead I don't think would be a particularly good book for instance, I don't think it even makes a particularly good comic.

        Watchmen makes a better comic than it did a film, and is better as a comic than a book with no pictures.

        Jasper Fforde Thursday Next novels make better books than they could film or comics.

      2. neb
        Paris Hilton

        re:hehehe

        mmm... feel...

    3. Geoffrey Summerhayes
      Happy

      Depends (you had to ask)

      Well a movie usually loses out when getting into a character's motivation and inner dialog. On the plus side, some of the visual imagery can beggar *my* imagination. LOTR for example.

      Jaws - Movie over book by far (qualification - i did like the shark's viewpoint bit at the start)

      2001 - Movie, of course the book came out after and tried to explain the movie Part of the fun was trying to figure out what the heck happened.

      Dune - Book over anything done, book's a classic piece of SF. Too much in it to ever get a decent adaptation without turning it into a miniseries (Oooh, remember Shogun? Book there too.)

      The Andromeda Strain - (first movie) Pretty good translation from book to film, the remake was obviously scripted by writers on a caffeine-sugar-cocaine binge, throwing in every overused SF cliche going. I'll give the book a win, but kudos to the production team of the first film.

      LOTR - Tough call, big fan of the books but it did morph from kids story to novel to history textbook. The movie was more consistent in atmosphere. Nah, I'll pick the book trilogy

      The Da Vinci Code - Who's kidding, both crap. I mean who ever heard of a Da Vinci expert taking ages to recognize mirror writing?

  54. ian 22
    Coat

    I opportunity here!

    People like that are ripe for exploitation! Wait for the Avatar soft-drink mugs, the Avatar playing cards, the Avatar lunch pails, the Avatar ... tat without end.

    I predict a new "religion", similar to the Jedi Knight cult syndrome.

    Mine's the one with blue paint smears.

  55. Sob
    Thumb Down

    Suicide, go right ahead dude....

    If the only thing you can do with your life is fail (again), go right ahead, the gene pool will not miss you.

    I sympathise with depression when you see what appears to be a better world; so why not try and change your world, that would be far more useful and ultimately more fulfilling than suicide. Think of the kick of seeing your name on the creds for a movie like.

    SBS

  56. Pete 2 Silver badge

    age 35 and still living with mummy?

    > I told her when I got home and she cried but I don’t care anymore, I’m 35 and I can do what I want in my room and don’t have to take any “medicine” if I don’t want to

    Some people just shouldn't be allowed out on their own - or allowed on the internet without adult supervision.

  57. Anonymous Coward
    Thumb Up

    A voice whispers

    It's only a story......

  58. gollux
    Grenade

    Avatar renders this earthly life meaningless...

    Bwaaa Ha Haa. Seriously, move over and make room for people who appreciate this planet. Or get your Psych to change your meds.

  59. Joe User

    Appropriate choice of words

    "with those most deeply touched even pondering shuffling off this mortal coil if they can't book a ticket to a new life off-world."

    Oh, they're "touched" all right....

  60. Mr Young
    Pint

    I'm nearly crying!

    And I haven't even seen the movie ffs. Where are my laughs? I want laugh now!

  61. sT0rNG b4R3 duRiD
    Troll

    WoW vs Avatar..

    Seriously... who'd win?

    Haven't been tempted to go out to the cinema yet. So maybe that's the answer.

    BTW, LOL at guild wives... I thought people played WoW to escape from their real ones :P

  62. Ammaross Danan
    WTF?

    Here's a thought

    Why don't any of these "lost souls" get off their mopey rears, do some college studying, and develop a neural interface that allows people to have a virtual "avatar" self in an immersive virtual environment similar to that shown in Avatar, complete with bio-feedback? Then they could "go" to Pandora whenever they want, and actually contribute something to society while doing it. It's such a waste to hear people wanting to off themselves thinking it will do any good on the hopes of getting "rebirthed" into a Pandoran-like world. Your probably more likely to get "rebirthed" into an African trible-like society where you get eaten by a lion-type predator when you're 6, and then "rebirthed" in a feudal-system realm where your menial labor starts at age 8 (or sooner) just to die by 25, to be "rebirthed" as a.... well, you get the idea. Life is tough. Live with it. Off yourself if you dare roll the dice on the off chance "something after" is better.

  63. cphi
    Unhappy

    poor guy

    Last time I felt that way was watching star wars for probably the 20th time at the age of seven. at 35 though - at least it seems he can hold down a job.

    Apparently there was constant stream of defections from the New England colonies to the natives in the 17th century (and little in reverse), so Cameron's tapped into a real sentiment - more um 'aggressive darwinian pressures on that lifestyle' (suicidal maniac) not withstanding.

  64. Scott 71

    Reality check

    I think the real problem with life today is that too many people have too much leisure time, and they get to thinking too much, and then go to movies or other diversions that make them think even more. The more primitive the society, the harder every individual has to work in order to simply survive. That, of course, consumes a great deal of time, which leaves less time for being depressed. Thanks, but living in a cabin in the Rockies that has no central heat is enough work; if I gave up my technology in order to live any closer to nature up here, it would be my full-time occupation.

    Up here, it's the cold and snow. In a jungle, it would be the humidity, insects, and disease. In other areas, the challenges nature presents are drought and heat. These whiners need to toughen-up and stop taking the conveniences in their cushy lives for granted. Things in nature are never as glamorous as they appear on a movie or television screen, they just don't know how nice they have it. Especially if mom is still providing them with a place to live, FFS. That was a rather amusing read!

  65. Sly
    Paris Hilton

    add more to the pot of...

    those who can't tell the difference between reality and fiction. There's definitely some good and fun ideas going on in the movie, but there's also the overused plot of the oppressed overcoming their oppressors. It may be overused, but obviously it never gets old due to the fact that so many people feel oppressed in some way. I thought it was a good movie due to the visuals and the basic story. The fact that they used a disabled guy as the main character was kinda cool too. If people can't see the core values of overcoming your own obstacles in this, they need some serious doses of optimism and to stop complaining incessantly.

    <insert Monty Python's "always look on the bright side of life">

    There... it's a cheery day now, go out and have some fun!

    Paris, because even she knows when to unplug.

  66. Mike Richards

    Can't they just...

    ...watch that advert for Samsung televisions with the hummingbird? It looks just as pretty as 'Avatar' and has a better plot.

    1. Arthur 1
      Coffee/keyboard

      Well said

      Kudos, good sir. :) You owe me a new keyboard, but well worth it.

      The crowd that gets so riled up over a movie which is just a two hour long cheap attempt to monetize their guilt is hilarious.

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Dead Vulture

      Samsung adverts

      Yes, you could watch that. Problem is, over here in Malaysia, those only play in theaters (I've never seen them on TV, but I saw them when I last went to watch Star Trek). And of course, when you go to the theaters...

      Tombstone for the ones who are dead. There's no point crying over every mistake tho, just keep trying til you run out of cake...

  67. Additives

    My Solution:

    Drop some acid, watch the movie again. Get up, move on with life.

  68. Steve Roper
    Big Brother

    If anything...

    ...this is a reaction to the excesses of corporate greed, consumerism, political correctness and oppressive laws that are increasingly hemming in our daily lives. The despair comes from a sense of hopelessness that anyone can ever change it. With the advent of technology, crowd psychology and advanced policing/enforcement methods resistance and revolution have become impossible. Protest against government and corporate excesses now falls on deaf ears. Advertising has reached such a level of mind control to make people buy, buy, buy that mass consumerism and materialism has become inescapable - witness the determined desire of today's children to have Brand Name Products, not no-name copies. And this awareness of a dark and dystopian future being inevitable, and the hopelessness of opposing it, is finally coming home to roost.

    Which is why I refused to have children. It was my only way of striking back at the system - knowing that no progeny of mine will ever have to suffer the mind-control, slavery and oppression that is now upon us, and will be for the foreseeable future.

  69. once bitten

    Lifetards

    Darwin was right... the weak will remove themselves from the gene pool.

    I just would never have thought is would be over a FICTIONAL world... lifetards!

  70. alien anthropologist
    Coat

    Screw Pandora...

    There are 2 reasons why we visit Earth and not a planet like Pandora with its weird gravitational field, funky floating mountains and flat chested natives...

    Coffee. And Titties.

    Won't find a better brew anywhere else in this galaxy. And Earth women titties are the most awesome fricken objects in the universe..

    Mine's the one with The Hitchhiker's Guide in one pocket and a towel in the other.

    1. Jay Castle
      Coffee/keyboard

      Why not?

      "I just would never have thought is would be over a FICTIONAL world... lifetards!"

      Why? Heaven is a fictional world and plenty of people kill themselves (and others) to get there.

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      agree

      Yup, spot on AA. Pandora is just inflated smurfs without the peaked caps...

    3. Charlie Oscar

      What about

      Eccentra Galumbits?

      she had three

  71. pctechxp
    Thumb Up

    Theme for the depressives

    Might I suggest Blue by Eiffel 65 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68ugkg9RePc

    As it features blue folk who are depressed.

    Both boxes ticked.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Pint

      RE: Theme for the depressives

      Well, if they turn green, they'd die.

      And embarassingly, When I first heard the song, I heard something along the lines of "I'm blue, I'd beat up a dolly".

      I thought the song was about turning your sadness to anger <g>

  72. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Ok, I'd like to clarify a few things.

    As someone with Avatar blues, I'd like to point out a few things. Not everyone is suicidal, there are very few people, the media love to sensationalise things. If you actually take the time to read the avatar-forums, you will see that it is an amazing community, very friendly and helpful. I haven't actually been there long myself, but since I have, it has really helped with my Avatar blues. I think many people here are misunderstanding the avatar blues though, it is not just a longing for Pandora, it has made many people (including myself) see the problems with humanity. I've found myself thinking about things I never even considered before I first watched Avatar. It really does have a strong message, which goes sadly ignore by many people. Avatar has also inspired me to many positive thoughts as well, which I do hope to turn into reality, and many people are with me.

    If you have any questions, I would be happy to try and answer them. If you really want to know for yourself, I would suggest going to avatar-forums and having a good read, then going and seeing Avatar again or for the first time, I almost guarantee it will change your perspective.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Troll

      'tard......

      That is all.

    2. Arthur 1

      Don't worry

      These things are usually short-lived when you're 11. You'll be back to Miley Cyrus in a week.

  73. Ben Cooper 1
    Paris Hilton

    Depressed/Happy, Dreams/Reality, Human/Na'vi, .....

    .....who gives a flying f'ck, it's got a giant-robotic-knife-fighting-exoskeleton and dragons in it and that makes everything worthwhile in my eyes.

    Paris, because, like Avatards and Pandora, I've often wanted to go to sleep in my bed and wake up in hers!

  74. Witty username
    Stop

    I play WoW

    I enjoy it, then i read things like this and i die a little bit inside

  75. Alex, Leeds
    WTF?

    'I’m 35 and I can do what I want in my room'

    'I don't even really want to go into work.'

    The guy has a job?!

  76. Anonymous Coward
    Grenade

    Good luck with launching Utopia AC

    You are probably right and I'm all for anything that gives people a moral shake up but if you are planning to change the world I fear you maybe disappointed.

    What people write on a forum or what they say is often very different to what they end up doing so I wouldn't put too much faith in what people say as long before Avatar people like myself who are human beings have strived to help others and honour any promises we make but time and time again we have been let down by others that are very good at saying what you want to hear but who are in essence extremely insincere.

    The vast majority of people aren't worth bothering with, so really, don't convince yourself that a new world is just around the corner because there have been films and other publications that have conveyed a moral message for years and has anything changed?

    Six months from now this film will be old news and people will have forgotten any 'lessons' they gained from it and will go back to doing whatever they can to get ahead.

    Pessimist? No, these comments are based on experience and observation.

    I wish you well.

    AC because people often don't like the truth.

  77. Anonymous Coward
    Thumb Down

    There needs to be a WARNING on this film.

    Warning,

    If you are so retarded that you might kill yourself over a stupid movie then please leave now.

    Be sure to keep living in your cave on Mars as life can be tricky and we don't want you making any nasty messes with shotguns or razor blades.

  78. KEITH BUTLER
    Pint

    For those depressed about Pandora

    A.C.H.Smith has "The Labyrinth"

    Phillip Pullman has "His Dark Materials" (Golden Compass, if all you do is view vs. read)

    and for full classic "deep association" I also suggest "The Mote in Dod's Eye" by Niven & Pournell

    Now get back to wishing.....

  79. c0rruptd

    These people really want to live in Pandora?

    I think these people would be fairly shocked by how little fun living in a tree and having to run from critters with teeth bigger than your own head is as a lifestyle choice.

    And to boot, has anyone else thought that even the the lanky Smurfs had chased off the humans, that in about 10 years, the humans would be back for their $20million per kilo minerials with enough firepower to vapourise a continent or three? Now THAT is a movie I'd watch over and over.

    Here's hoping for Avatar 2: Nukes vs. the Blue Tree-Peoples.

  80. JMCompt
    Alert

    The Avatar blues are really just...

    ...another way of expressing one's realized reality of the current world. It isn't really so much about wishing to be transported to this mythical world filled with blue Africans with native American faith systems. It is all about seeing all the geopolitical strife, wasteful attitudes, wanton conflict, and just plain crazy nature of the world, and wishing thigs were simpler and more peaceful.

    I am a US Army combat veteran, having deployed repeatedly, and I've got to say I loved the movie. Not because it showed the military in a bad light, but rather the idea that somewhere there are people who can still get along with nature without all this technology and strife. No more killing just to kill. No more not knowing your neighbors because they are too self-involved to get to know anyone else. I long for a simpler life, but right now it is not possible for myself, nor my little family.

    I go to the VA, and I get my PTSD meds, I talk to other vets, and I pray that one day I won't feel like sh*t about the world and myself when I wake up. The idea of a real community that actually cares about you, with people working together for the common good, that is what it is all about. Not being 10 ft tall and blue.

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