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For a company that pioneered the widespread use of the mouse as a computer controller, Apple has a surprisingly bad record at making good ones, particularly since the return of Steve Jobs and, with him, industrial design as the prime driver of product creation. Apple Magic Mouse Magic Mouse: Apple gets it right at last? …

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  1. NightFox
    Coffee/keyboard

    iRotic

    "The base of the mouse is nice and smooth though, and ran well on the wooden surface we tried the Magic on - and on flesh and a leather jacket, too."

    Yes, I too like to dress this way when I get my new Apple toys. As for the wooden surface...

  2. Joey

    meeces

    I actually like the standard Mighty Mouse. I had previosuly used a Microsoft Intellimouse but that seems so clunky by comparison. Yes, the side buttons are best left turned off and I never use the middle button. The scroll nipple can get clogged, like an old roller ball mouse would, but it is fairly easy to clean it by just turning the mouse upside down on a piece of cloth and turning it round a dozen times. A little squirt of lighter fuel will disolve any grime. I did get the wireless version of the Mighty Mouse but don't like it. The battery life is only about a month and it feels heavy because of them. I have a little USB battery charger which I just leave on all the time so there is always a spare set of batteries when they are needed.

    I've ordered one Magic Mouse to try. It does take a while to get used to a new mouse, just like a pair of shoes. If it is radically different in shape or weight, it will take longer but the human brain is remarkably adaptive.

  3. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Style over substance

    You've missed the point. Apple customers don't care how well a product works; only how it looks. And it looks fabulous....

  4. Anonymous Coward
    FAIL

    They're so stubborn.

    Why won't they just admit that two (or three) buttons are better than one? The keyboard should not be involved in mouse operations. Just like The Independent, they're being different for the sake of it. It doesn't sound useful. The two-button-plus-scrollwheel model is ubiquitous because it's good. No matter how many extra buttons or functions they add to these things, they are a novelty that just gets in the way. I don't think we'll be seeing anyone copy this style in a hurry.

  5. Scary

    RSI

    My RSI flares up just looking at that thing...

  6. Tony Smith (Written by Reg staff)

    Re: They're so stubborn.

    Mac OS X has supported third-party two-button (possibly three too; I haven't tried) mice for ages. Apple's own mice have had two-button operation for a long time too, though I agree it's daft that this isn't enabled by default. Even the two-fingered 'right click' tap on the laptops' trackpad isn't.

  7. nichomach
    Coffee/keyboard

    Fifty...five...fscking...quid...???

    For that small pile of crap? Are they having a laugh?

    New keyboard please. Not an Apple one.

  8. Edwin
    Jobs Horns

    Logitech V500

    looks like it beats the magic in every way.

    If only Logitech made a bluetooth version, I never would have replaced it...

  9. Whitter
    Thumb Up

    It'll be a grower

    Add Opera-style mouse gestures on the surface (rather than moving the mouse itself) and we might have a winner

  10. Stephen Blake
    Thumb Down

    whyPod?

    Time after time Apple produce poorly designed gimicks... and still the morons lap them up.

  11. Neil 6

    The best mouse to use on a Mac....

    ....is a Microsoft mouse.

    Apple have really put style over function with this mouse. Mac-tards will lap it up and deny all failings.

  12. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    pre-empting the pre-empters

    Que a load of posters saying "que a load of 'Yeah but does it right click' posts".

    Or something.

    Well piss my pants, its a mouse.

    Is it any good - Yes / No (delete as appropriate)

    There's your review.

  13. Anonymous Coward
    Thumb Down

    Shame

    It's a shame Apple can't produce a decent mouse that's actually good to use and doesn't induce RSI. Bizarrely, it's the one thing Microsoft are better at.

  14. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Nice

    Sounds good to me. I've always used a mouse with tips of my fingers, but I can appreciate you might have problems if you lack any finger finesse and grab it like your scared it might run away.

  15. Thomas Bottrill

    Does it work in Windows?

    And, more importantly, does the right-click register in games?

    I like my MacBook Pro's multi-touch pad a lot, but a lot of games don't pick up on the two-finger right-click.

  16. spencer
    Heart

    Microsoft

    ....make a surprisingly good mouse for OS x. That one with the buttons on the side can be mapped to Expose (F9 button) among other things that speeds up workflow considerably.

  17. JeeBee
    Pint

    Probably still the best Apple mouse to date...

    ...however little that actually means.

    "The Magic uses Bluetooth for connectivity. That might not be as good as the dedicated 2.4GHz radio links found on mice from the likes of Logitech"

    So you'd rather a custom 2.4GHz Logitech-only wireless protocol that requires a dongle, over a standards-based 2.4GHz wireless protocol that just works? The only potential argument is that possibly the overhead of Bluetooth results in a feeling of lag - does it?

    As to the mouse itself, it sounds like it needs to be 20% bigger. Also they need to get Expose activation as a gesture.

  18. Law
    Unhappy

    They are missing a trick...

    ... if they put the older style macbook pro trackpad on one of their dinky wireless keyboards I'd buy one instantly (for a macmini hooked up to a tv)... I'm talking about the button pad, not the new buttonless ones. It's makes more sense to have a trackpad in the living room than a mouse anyway, plus they get to do 4 finger swipes etc.

    Traditionally I've not been a big user of trackpads... so I bought a bluetooth mouse (logitech - mighty mouse sucks balls) when I got this laptop years ago, but once I got used to multitouch gestures I've barely used the mouse... now I have the 3/4 finger gestures it is actually more annoying being restricted by a mouse. The fact a tiny "magic" mouse can't support the 3/4 finger gestures means they should think about doing the pad-on-keyboard thing, just please, for the love of satan do NOT make the whole pad physically clickable - that's the only reason I've not updated my laptop this year... it's an abomination - it does nothing for usability, there's nothing more annoying than having to keep the pressure on a pad for the click*, as you scrape your finger across to drag something from one folder to the other.

    * ok, you can tap and hold the pad without the pressure, but what happens when you hit the edge of the pad and need to let go!!

  19. Steven Gray
    Headmaster

    Fingertips

    Over the years, I've seen a number of mouse newbies that grip the little critter like their life depended on it, then use their entire forearm to move it, and henceforth finding it difficult to get the tip of the pointer /exactly/ in the desired focus 'zone'.

    Much better to rest the heel of your hand on the mousing surface and let your fingers do the fine manipulation. Often, all that's required is a tweaking of the tracking speed to get the forearm/fingers balance right.

    I'll be visiting my local Apple store this weekend to see if that technique, er, bears fruit.

    PS. At work I've been using an original MS Wireless Intellimouse Explorer for years - the size of a Veedub but great nonetheless.

  20. RichyS
    Thumb Up

    Sounds like it will suit me

    I don't like big mice. I tend to use laptop mice where I can. I used to have one of those massive MS Intellimice, but just found it cumbersome to use. I think mice, being a primary contact point with a computer, are a very personal thing. That's why Logtech make so many different shapes and sizes. Maybe Apple need to make S, M, and L versions of the Magic Mouse! At the moment, I'm having to use a thin and very long Dell mouse at work. The buttons are sort of moulded into the shell, which means my fingers ('cos I old my mouse in my fingertips) are right at the end of the pivot point. I find clicking it a real pain.

    I also don't see the point of adding yet another radio to a computer -- I have always used BT mice for this reason. It seems insane to add a special dongle when you have a perfectly good BT radio already built in (at least, all my laptops have had BT, since it's been available).

    So, I think I'll give this a go. My Bluetooth Logitech laptop mouse is getting a bit tired...

  21. slack

    Mighty mouse

    Looks good and has to be an improvement on the mighty mouse, the tiny trackball is infuriating to clean all the time on both the wired and wireless models.

  22. Anonymous Coward
    FAIL

    Looks lovely. Shame it will be such hell to use.

    Likewise. Love my macs. Even like my mac keyboards - they took a bit of getting used to but I'm a convert and they don't get clogged with crumbs and dust. However give me an M$ mouse any day. Currently favouring the Natural wireless laser mouse 6000 - just a shame they don't do a bluetooth version.

    The price isn't bad actually - Microsoft Bluetooth Notebook Mouse 5000 rrp is £50.

  23. miknik
    Jobs Horns

    Hmmmm

    "Our Logitech V550 Nano has the same pair of Alkaline AAs it had in over a year ago. We don't think the Magic's two AAAs will last significantly less than that"

    You don't? Even though typically AAA's have roughly 50% of the capacity of AA's? I'm not convinced.

  24. RichyS

    Zoom

    It also might be worth trying some different modifier keys when using the 'zoom' function. With my Logitech mouse, holding ALT (or Option, or whatever it's called) zooms the whole screen. Personally, I've never really seen the point of this -- it may be useful for those with even worse eyesight than mine.

    Instead, if you use the CTRL key, you zoom the window contents.

    Try it, it might work!

  25. Tony Smith (Written by Reg staff)

    @RichyS

    I did try it, and it doesn't. You can change the modifier key, but whatever you pick, all it does is zoom the entire screen.

  26. E Haines

    @Tony Smith

    OS X recognizes any number of mouse buttons out of the box...it has no problems with the 8 buttons on my Logitech mouse. Even Mac OS pre-X recognized more than one button. As for not enabling the right-click by default, it's better that way--those who have some experience will enable it, and those who don't are better off with one, trust me.

  27. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    @Stephen Gray

    Exactly - if your elbow moves when you're using your mouse, you're doing it wrong.

    Fingertips gentlemen, fingertips.

  28. jonnyscavenger
    Terminator

    iHands

    What you plebs don't realise is that this mouse built to match the new iHand which comes out in January. A brilliant white, perfectly smooth appendage that supersedes your pathetic meat digits. The surgery will only be available in apple stores, and you will need to purchase top level apple care if you want cover for your body's immune system rejecting the iHand.

    The bog standard iHand will feature two digits while the iHand Pro includes an opposable thumb, in case you were tempted to use the iHand for non-awesome activities - ie those that don't involve other apple hardware.

  29. Anonymous Coward
    Paris Hilton

    @tony smith

    Yes, Tony, you have been able to use multi button mice on macs since before MacOSX. Generic USB mice have worked for ages. I have never owned an Apple external maus, and use either MS or Razer mice on my Macs (don't like Logitech, as they don't suit my left-handed hombres).

  30. Thomas Davie
    Jobs Halo

    @Law

    You do realise that with the big buttoned track pads you can use the exact same movement as you would with the old ones to click and drag... Hold the track pad down with your thumb, and drag about the place with other fingers.

  31. tom 36

    AA or AAA

    Hi Tony

    Keep hearing mixed things about AA vs AAA - every US article I've read seems to indicate AA, rather than AA. Can you confirm which? I guess you're more likely to be right ;)

    cf http://news.softpedia.com/news/Apple-Posts-Support-Documents-on-Magic-Mouse-Wireless-Keyboard-124895.shtml (for example)

    Cheers

  32. Simon B
    Megaphone

    I'm amazed apple let you change the batteries!

    I'm amazed apple let you change the batteries and haven't built them in!

  33. jubtastic1

    Zooming

    Ctrl to zoom has been around for ever, I think Apple just enabled it by default when you use this mouse but it's just a checkbox in Mouse prefs.

    No expose button or gesture on the new mouse kills it for me.

  34. Wibble
    Happy

    @Tony Smith

    <ctl>Scroll normally zooms a browser window (on IE and Firefox).

    <cmd>Scroll zooms the whole screen (on a Mac). This is *extremely* useful when doing demonstrations, when developing web pages (you can turn off font smoothing to see the pixels if you use <cmd><alt>\), and trying to see some websites where the text is too damn small.

    I've used the Mighty Mouse for years and really like it. It's such a pain that you can't remove the ball without major disassembly. It's stunning how much crap accumulates in the ball area (scrotum?).

    I'm going to buy a Magic Mouse as soon as I can get one.

    BTW, the Logitec mice have one or two great features, then spoil it by shunning Bluetooth or having rechargeable batteries that last a week (and chargers that are bigger than the mouse!). And they're ugly IMHO.

  35. Tony Smith (Written by Reg staff)

    @Tom 36

    Mea culpa, mistyping on my part: it's AA not AAA.

  36. Law
    Paris Hilton

    @ Thomas Davie

    9 GCSE's, 3 A-Levels, 1 HND, 1 BSc(hons), 5 years in the industry..... and it never occured to me to try that when playing with the new macbooks in the shop.... I may quit IT, I'm obviously not suited to this profession anymore! :'(

    Not sure why I never thought of it... maybe I assumed it would attempt a multi-touch gesture or something. I will give it a try this weekend, if I can stomach it, it may be time for an update! :)

    Thanks for the tip. *crawls back under a rock*

  37. 2FishInATank
    Coat

    Dextral

    "it should suit the sinistral as well as the right-handed"

    I think the word you were groping for is 'dextral' ;)

  38. John Ridley 1

    But what about the important question?

    Does it work in Windows?

  39. Peter Kay

    Wireless mice? Feh

    Been there, done that, given up. They're ok until the batteries run down or there's interference.

    Far better to have a decent USB one like the MX518. It may spoil the line of the desk and occasionally get tangled on other things, but it always works with no hassle.

  40. Ivan Headache

    There was nowt wrong with the

    Hockey Puck mouse if you used it properly. I still use one daily. It just depends on the position of your fingers.

    Someone mentioned earlier that the wrist should stay on the mat and the mouse moved with the fingertips - well I agree. I find that my thumb and little finger flick the puck almost anywhere, left, right and forwards, my third finger flips it back to the heal of my hand and the other two fingers are always able to click because of the relatively large click area. I can mouse the entire 23 inch screen without moving my hand. My only complaint is the grot getting into the rollers.

    The mouse that followed - the horrible grey acrylic oval - did not suite me at all. the extra length meant that its flickability was severely hampered as it filled most of the space under my hand and therefore its movement was too restricted.

    The Mighty Mouse improves with the scroll ball (yes I use one too) however, using it (the ball) causes me such wrist pain.

    I wanted to look at the Magic today but somehow the Lovely Ivana managed to steer me away from the Apple Store.

  41. Michael Wright

    Alas, the best Mac mouse is still a Microsoft mouse

    Having the iPhone gestures available might be nice, but it looks like Microsoft still make the best Mac mice, as people have said.

    V. odd, since the appeal of Mac is the ergonomics. And Mr Jobs is getting on a bit, now: surely he too has arthritis beginning in his hands.

  42. Joe Ragosta

    Idiots

    The problem is that most of the people posting here aren't bright enough to realize that no one mouse works for everyone. Apple's mouse doesn't, Microsoft's mouse doesn't. Logitech's mouse doesn't.

    Apple offers a mouse that is different. If you haven't tried it, you have no business commenting. If you've tried it and don't like it, no big deal - it won't appeal to everyone.

    People who think Macs don't support two buttons are obviously not interested in reality - they have their own Mac-bashing world and can't be bothered with facts. If you wanted multiple menus, you could use almost any generic 2 (or more) button mouse on Macs for at least 10 years (I did). Or, you could use any Apple mouse made in the last 5 years or more (the Mighty Mouse is actually a 4 button mouse).

    Personally, I like Apple mice, but that's largely because I use them the way they're meant to be used. For example, the 'hockey puck' mouse was widely criticized by people who thought the only way to hold a mouse was to grab it with your entire fist and hold on for dear life. People who were willing to adapt and use it with their fingertips often loved the mouse.

    Similarly, I love my mighty mouse. As long as you don't grab it and hold on for dear life, it works well - at least for me. People who are so anti-Apple that they won't even give it a try will, of course, be disappointed.

    I haven't tried the Magic Mouse so I can't comment. I'll probably buy one to try it because the concept sounds good - I like the CONCEPT OF the ability to do more things with the mouse, but won't know if it works well until I've tried it. So those of you who haven't tried it (which is probably 99% of the posters) should just shut up.

  43. Anonymous Coward
    WTF?

    ONLY TWO BUTTONS?!

    Am I right in thinking that this only has two buttons? I dunno about you guys but I used the mighty mouses nipple as a third button that opens links in a new tab in Safari. I couldnt live without that.

  44. ratfox Silver badge
    Flame

    Thank god we can use PC mice with macs

    You never know, Apple might decide that hardware they did not sell should not work with their software... Like, say, a pré with iTunes...

  45. Anonymous Coward
    Go

    Mice Schmice

    Apple has directly supported right-button clicks on the System level since Mac OS 8.5 back in 1997. You could buy third-party programmable multi-button mice since the late 80's. So, what's the point?

    For novice users,yes studies have been done, multi-button mice can be confusing and daunting. From the beginning, Apple designed the OS to be completely navigable BOTH from mouse and keyboard or (obviously) in tandem. Although Apple does a splendid job of hiding features from users!

    As for the Magic Mouse (dopey name indeed!) being any more RSI inducing that every other mouse on the planet is silly. Mice are essentially poor ergonomically, even though some have been designed trying to minimize it.

    Me? I like trackballs. They're FAST, accurate, need little desktop space and are perfect for multiple monitor setups, especially.

  46. Eddy Ito Silver badge
    FAIL

    Bat-rees not included

    If it's anything like their last wireless mouse, there won't be enough batteries in any given building to feed it for more than a few weeks. I was running NiMH batteries with a backup pair in a charger on my desktop just to keep up with it. That said, I'm actually surprised Apple didn't include some sort of a "mouse hole" charger and an irreplaceable battery for a cool [£,$,€]159.

    Fail because it just feels right.

  47. windywoo
    Jobs Horns

    @ Joe Ragosta

    Idiot. "People are so anti Apple they won't give it a try". People are anti-changing something that works just for the sake of it. Its not like a mouse is difficult or hard to use, yet Apple insist on making theirs work differently and even most Mac owners will replace a Might Mouse.

    Apple offers a mouse that is different but its standard on their iMacs, meaning if you don't like it you have to buy a 3rd party mouse to replace it. By the way there is no way in hell to use a puck mouse with your finger tips.

  48. Rattus Rattus

    Wouldn't mind one myself

    ...looks nice, and since getting used to a multi-touch trackpad I actually find a regular mouse a bit clunky for some kinds of pointer manipulation (while being head and shoulders above a trackpad for others). I don't have a Mac though, and I'm not going to be buying a Mac, so the big question is "can you use it with Linux?"

  49. David Austin
    Gates Halo

    Title

    Apple's mice choices have always left me a little perplexed, especially in the right-hand button department. Will have to pop into an Apple Store, to see how this one goes. My Initial reaction is "It doesn't look that comfy.."

    Say what you like about their Operating Systems, but Microsoft Mice and Gamepads have always been solid, practical Workhorses. Still use a Clutch of Wireless Optical 1000 mice around the home and office, and use a crossfire adaptor to get the wireless 360 gamepads working on my PC.

    Microsoft keyboards would be in that list too, save for that stupid F-Lock shite....

  50. TriangleJuice

    Ha!

    "For us, it's just too darn thin. We like to hold a mouse not push it around delicately with our fingertips, and so the Magic casts no spell on us."

    And that's exactly why I'm going to buy one.

  51. N2 Silver badge

    Its one area

    Where Apple fall flat on their faces IMO & despite trying, I just cant make an Apple mouse work for me.

    M$, you may be shite at software but your rodents are better suited to me.

  52. Anonymous Coward
    Thumb Up

    I got one of these ...

    They're actually great and it works with Ubuntu as well. Nice! Bit pricey and all but it does work rather well. Batteries last ages (still lasting on one charge) as well even if you go days without switching it off.

    I used to be a Microsoft Mouse fan (yes, they are good) but for once this does it better.

  53. Anonymous Coward
    Jobs Horns

    WTF :-/

    Good grief, there are reasons everybody else makes mice that fit into your hand, it's called comfort and RSI!

    I've scrapped better contoured dog shit off my shoe.

  54. RightPaddock
    Pint

    sigh sigh

    looks like yet another example of Jobs obsession with the triumph of form over function

  55. Anonymous Coward
    FAIL

    re: use of fingers vs forearms

    Sure, you'll only get the proper finesse by using a mouse from the wrist, with delicate movements of the fingers. But that's also a one-way ticket to carpal tunnel.

    Do yourself a favour, use your entire forearm to move the mouse. It may not be pretty, but big body movements beat small ones for RSI every time.

    Adjust the mouse pointer sensitivity to deal with this and away you go...

  56. Gaz Davidson

    Multi-touch

    I would buy one of these if it had scale and rotate axes. It looks nice, but if you're going to pay £55 for a mouse it had better have plenty of wheels and buttons.

  57. whiteafrican
    FAIL

    @Joe Ragosta

    "those of you who haven't tried it (which is probably 99% of the posters) should just shut up."

    So you're banning us from discussing the shortcomings of an idea unless we've tried it for ourselves? Why can't we criticise the obvious failings in this product - namely, it's a triumph of style over substance, as is pretty much always the case with Apple products.

    For example, I can compare the Magic Mouse (as described in Apple's to my own mouse of choice, the Logitech MX Revolution (example pics here: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Logitech-Revolution-Wireless-Laser-Mouse/dp/B000JMJYBU).

    1) Price: The MXR is available at about the same price as the Magic Mouse (about £50) so no real issues here.

    2) Buttons. As much as Apple want to deny it, BUTTONS ARE USEFUL. The MXR lets you map its buttons to whatever function you like. For example, if I want to see all my windows in Win7, I just press the little button above the scrollwheel and then I can scroll through them. Pretend that it's easier to squidge your fingers in some 'gesture' to achieve the same thing if you like, but you'll be the one who ends up with RSI.

    3) Feedback. When it comes to scrolling, it is sometimes useful to get felt feedback from a ratcheted scrollwheel. There's no point in arguing about it - it just is. Other times, you might want to scroll freely. The MXR allows both, the Magic Mouse doesn't. With Apple, as always, you get no choice.

    4) "Learning". Most of us don't want to have to "learn" how to use an Apple mouse - we already know how to use a mouse, and we just want one that meets our needs. Many people gently rest their fingers on the mouse in between clicks. That works fine when the mouse has buttons, but with the Magic Mouse you're going to need to "unlearn" that habit unless you want a load of false-positive clicks... Call me a cynic, but that's not my definition of "just works".

    Do I need to use a Magic Mouse to know these things? No. I can read Apple's product info (http://www.apple.com/uk/magicmouse/), and that is sufficient to gather the necessary information on the Magic Mouse.

  58. Muscleguy Silver badge
    WTF?

    Wrist vs forearm

    It's not either/or. For large movements you take the heel of the hand off the table and move the whole arm, for small and delicate movements you use the wrist. Oh and the Mighty Mouse is a 5 button mouse. On mine pressing the (working) trackball calls up the appswitcher.

    As for why a trackball and not a scroll wheel, well Duh! 'cause I can scroll sideways as well as diagonal with some apps. Why is that so hard to understand?

    Finally I have an RSI type problem (not carpal tunnel) and the hockey puck was just fine for me wrist wise. I too flicked it about with my fingers. It is not only possible, it is downright sensible. As for mice that 'fit your hand' it might fit your hand but mine are different to yours. Also if you use your fingers rather than your whole arm all the time you don't want a mouse to fit your hand.

    It seems that Apple understand that mouse use is a dynamic process and straitjacketing users into one mode over all others is bound to fail.

  59. fifi
    Paris Hilton

    comfort

    That looks painful, at least for someone like me with problems after a seriously broken wrist a few years ago. I'll stick to my Evoluent vertical mouse which I find significantly more comfortable than any normal or traditional ergonomic mice/mouses.

    paris: because she's another way to exercise one's fingers in comfort.

  60. Tippis
    Grenade

    Buttons...

    So they've removed the very handle wheel-click, which even the mighty mouse had, and it still can't do proper right-clicks (i.e. discrete ones that you can do at the same time as left-clicks)?

    Riiight… So yes, the best Mac mouse is still an MS mouse then.

  61. Nick Pettefar

    Kensington SlimBlade Scrollball Bluetooth Mouse

    I use and recommend the Kensington SlimBlade Scrollball Bluetooth Mouse. It has a big ball and can also double as a trackball. It feels nice, scrolls well and the two AA batteries last a long time. All my Might Mice gave up although the USB ones lasted a lot longer than the Bluetooth ones.

    This new Apple mouse heralds the end of mechanical parts and so will hopefully last a lot lot longer than any of its forerunners.

  62. Bilgepipe
    Gates Horns

    Not for me

    Cue the inevitable tidal wave of Anti-Apple-tards offering abuse rather than anything constructive. Do your parents know you're out and about on the internet without supervision? I like the ones deriding this mouse based on sight alone; almost as stupid as buying it based on sight alone, eh?

    Despite claims that the "Macturds will lap this one up," it looks too awkward for my liking. Apple don't seem to be able to create a decent mouse - the Mighty Mouse was poorly constructed and very difficult to use, I replaced it with a nice, heavy Logitech MX900.

    That's right, Anti-Apple-tards, I use a non-Apple mouse - *now* will you pipe down?

  63. Richard 102
    Paris Hilton

    Might be missing the point

    Part of the genius of the iPhone/iPod Touch is that you can use software to update the interface, and therefore you aren't limited mechanically to implement a new idea. Need another button? No problem, program for it. Conventionally, you are SOL if you bought a device with fewer buttons.

    At some point, though, the button madness has to stop. It's like those razors with five blades; do you really get that some sort of performance enhancement after two? Three maybe, but five? Unless you are a professional competitive shaver, of course.

  64. Thomas 18
    Grenade

    more buttons!

    Razer Naga :

    Button 1 - click

    Button 2 - right click

    Button 3 - alt+tab

    ...

    Button 17 - Run virus scan

    Who needs who needs multi touch.

  65. Xpositor
    WTF?

    63 comments on a mouse?

    OK, 64 now...

  66. Frank Bough
    Thumb Down

    @ Tony Smith

    OSX does indeed support more than 2 mouse buttons. I use Microsoft four-buttons-plus-crappy-scrollwheel mice with our machines because they're the best for properly mapping Exposé functions. SO depressing that you can't use Exposé properly with an Apple mouse...

    I also hate wireless mice because they're too heavy (ie they have too much inertia) - a mouse should be as accurate, small and light as possible.

  67. Simon Waddington

    A mobile phone with camera

    I have an HTC touch pro 2. It has a camera on one side and a touch sensitive screen on the other. Surely one of you clever programmers can turn it into a Magic Mouse? Camera senses motion while face down (hmm, might need some more illumination) - heck - it could even detect rotational motion. And, the touch screen serves as mouse button and swiping surface. Interacting beautifully with PC using bluetooth.

    And it's also a mobile phone, and a storage device. And a computer.

    Just a thought.

  68. Gulfie
    Thumb Up

    It's a winner for me

    The ergonomics of the new mouse are going to be different depending on the size of your hand. I finally got to play with a Magic Mouse yesterday. I have quite a large hand (well, OK actually I have two large hands - octave plus two notes on a piano) and small mice give me RSI because I have to scrunch my hand up to work the buttons. The Microsoft 'basic optical mouse' shape is a perfect fit for me whereas Dell mice and most of the cheep and cheerful ones are too small.

    I have a Mighty Mouse and again its just the right size. When I saw the Magic Mouse I was concerned that it would be a problem but it isn't. Other than they're not shipping until Sunday at the earliest.

    Anyway it made me appreciate one reason it is so much flatter. If you have a 'normal' mouse shape then you will have to arch your hand unnaturally to perform the scrolling gesture, and this will cause RSI. Try it on your current mouse and you'll see what I mean. Then try it with your hand flat on the desk.

    I know the ergonomics won't suit everybody but I do believe that Apple has got it right for the majority of people; and incidentally I had no problem with the finger swipe gesture. The trick is not to try too hard, and to play with the sensitivity settings so that you are making a gesture that you find comfortable and that the driver software can interpret as a swipe...

  69. AndrueC Silver badge

    Best mouse ever

    Logitech MX700.

    * Wireless.

    * Optical

    * Takes two AA batteries..

    * ..which can be rechargeable..

    * ..and comes with its own docking cradle with built in charger..

    * ..but if you forget then not to worry - a single charge will last several days.

    * It's a nice large chunky size.

    I've owned three since they came out several years ago. I had one fail last year and the charging cradles sometimes don't make contact and need a wipe but that's all.

  70. whiteafrican

    @AndrueC

    @AndrueC

    "Best mouse ever [...] Logitech MX700."

    I have one of these (and have used it for about 6 years now without any problem). I can see your point (it is a good mouse). But I can guarantee that my other mouse (a Logitech MXRevolution) is superior in just about every way. Apart from the AA batteries, it has all the features you describe above and some cool extra buttons and and a much better scroll wheel. It's also much more comfortable to hold.

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    @Gulfie

    Interesting point on the RSI thing. I've never found scrolling ona normal mouse to be at all uncomfortable, but I guess for some people it might be...

  71. Joey
    Jobs Halo

    I've got mine...

    All this talk of ergonomics and 'fitting in your hand' is utter claptrap. It is not meant to fit in your hand. It is not hand-shaped. It is meant to fit on your mouse mat, which it does perfectly. You slide it around your mouse mat with a thumb and finger, there is no need to grip it or surround it with a hand. Your forefinger and middle finger can lie on top in a natural position or you can let go completely. Stroking front to back scrolls down a web page and stroking back to front scrolls up. If you are on a wide page, you can scroll from side to side. A two finger swipe left is the same as the back button in your browser and swiping right gives the effect of the next page button. There is no visible light from the bottom apart from a tiny 'ON' led. It is much better for pixel accurate editing in Photoshop than any other mouse I've used. It seems to work on any surface including my shiny white desktop and trouser leg but a spongy mouse mat makes a more comfortable rest for the ball of the hand.

  72. Robert E A Harvey
    FAIL

    Oh come on, it's been 35 years

    We are still getting all moist between the legs over a slightly different shape mouse?

    We've been using the wretched things for around 35 years - the same time difference as between the Wright brothers and the Spitfire. The damn things should be obsolete by now, like keyboards.

    Where are the brain implants that let me type at 560wpm?, the data gloves or triangulation cameras that interpret my finger movements, or the flicks of my eyes?

    Where is the matt black hemisphere that we can think at?

    It's a joystick on wheels, (perhaps wthout the wheels) not a major technological breakthrough.

    last year VW, having fitted 'start' buttons to some cars instead of an extra position on the key, started to talk about 'transferring the technology' to their other marques. My Morris Minor had a 'start' button, and that was built in 1955. Same with computer rodents. For glod's sake, lads, invent something new instead of obsesively tiddling about with what we have and then squealing like some airhead on 'America's next top muddle' about how it looks.

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