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The long-running feud over the Palm Pre's ability to sync with Apple's iTunes may have come to an end. Or not. On Monday, Palm announced its latest update to the Pre's webOS operating system. Conspicuously absent from the announcement was any mention of what the company calls "media sync" - the ability for Palm's smartphone to …

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  1. Andy 22
    Troll

    Very Jobsian

    "We never comment on what might or might not be on our product roadmap."

    So they have a boss from Apple, engineers from Apple, PR people from Apple, use software from Apple... and now they're taking lines from Apple, too? That's so cute!

  2. The Fuzzy Wotnot
    Pint

    Naughty!

    Not defending Apple, but Palm were a bit naughty "borrrowing" Apple's USB ID to get in with Apple's iTunes software! A bit like waiting for people to go on holiday, nipping round the back, finding the key under the door mat and spending a comfy two weeks living in someone else's house!

  3. Bad Beaver
    FAIL

    yawn!

    Palm can get off their asses & produce a sync solution on their own. If Nokia can do it and make it work fine, so can Palm. Stop the damn whining. But what do I expect from YET ANOTHER company who would rather rake in the dough from exclusive deals than simply SELL ME THEIR FREAKIN' PRODUCT.

  4. Anonymous Coward
    Jobs Halo

    Product roadmap?!

    That's funny coming from a company going out of business!

    More like a "product path!"

    Rubenstein thinks he can mess with Jobs?! lol

    Bye bye Palm.

  5. Neil H
    Stop

    The whole USBIF thing seems confused

    If their point was "They are using the identifier to restrict other companies in a mean-spirited and anticompetitive way", then they had an argument.

    If they just ran up and said "no fair!" then they got what they deserved. I can't see them having been so childish.

    I am all for a gamegenie, featuring an ipod nano dock, which will make your phone sync.

  6. Matthew 4
    Megaphone

    won't be long...

    before someone else comes up with a third pary program that will do it just as well.

    I own a SE xperia, and Salling make a great itunes sync program.

  7. Bill Gould
    Flame

    Apple? Fuck you.

    Why people continue to support such an overpriced, OCD, anal retentive, closed, customer belittling, incompatible company I will never know. I've never seen any benefit from Apple. Ever. I've seen their malware, their flashy, overpriced hardware, and their "I shit on your face peasant" customer service though.

    Apple. Fuck you.

  8. Anonymous Coward
    WTF?

    iTunes, We don't need no stinking iTunes

    Why the fuck would you want that bloated piece of crapware on your machine in the first place?!

  9. deshepherd
    Joke

    Hokey Cokey

    First syncing was in, then it was out. Then in. Then out ... at which point Palm stopped as they'd forgotten to implement the Ipod Nano "shake it all about" shuffle feature

  10. Bad Beaver
    Megaphone

    Fuck haters

    You can't ever shut the fuck up, right? Fuck your futile flamings. Come out of Mommy's basement and get a job, one where you need stuff to just work in order to get shit done.

  11. Jason Bloomberg Silver badge

    @ Neil H : USB VID/PID

    All licensed USB manufacturers are allocated a VID and a VID/PID pair forms a unique identifier of a particular USB-based product. That VID is paid for and licensed solely to the owner of that VID. VID = Vendor ID, PID = Product ID.

    Palm breached the USB license they had agreed to and used Apple's VID/PID to fake it so iTunes thought their product was an iSomething, akin to cloning a key and opening their front door.

    Apple used other techniques to detect Palm's key was cloned, not a legitimate one, and rejected access using their cloned key. Hence Palm were locked out. They went crying to the USB IF, but, as using someone else's VID is not allowed, the USB IF ruled against Palm. Quite rightly so.

    Whether Apple, or anyone else, should be allowed to lock their software to certain products is a matter for debate, but not something the USB IF could ever rule on. Palm applied to 'the wrong court' in the hope of getting a judgement in their favour. That was never going to be and pretty stupid as it seemed clear to everyone but Palm they would lose.

  12. Barry Tabrah
    Happy

    A touch of irony

    Such hate for Apple for preventing non-Apple devices from accessing Apple software. Surely such people would rejoice that they cannot fall into the trap of using, and possibly liking, Apple software.

  13. Anonymous Coward
    Grenade

    @Bill

    My my. Your world must be really depressing.

    I mean, no Apple = no innovation = klutzy, slow, unintuitive catch-up me too interfaces on no-App Store devices.

    Feck it, you'd rather carry a brick, a real housebrick, in your pocket because if there /was/ an App for smashing windows, you'd prefer your brick and all the mono-functionality it brings, rather than stoop to a class leading device (and other devices are available) that was made by a company you despise with a passion.

  14. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    @Bill Gould

    Bill, it's because Palm are acting like kids. Apple have done nothing wrong. iTunes isn't a syncing conduit. It is a media management app that has evolved into a store front that offers syncing (and here is the important bit) to Apples products. I take it you are for identity theft then? I mean it's not fair that some chav's don't work, so they should obviously be allowed to pretend to be you and benefit from your work and achievement by using your credit and debit cards...

  15. Anonymous Coward
    WTF?

    Re: Apple? xxx you

    Dude, you need therapy...

  16. Jerome 0

    @ Anon 10:23

    I'm not entirely sure of your point... if there was an app for smashing windows, it'd be more convenient than carrying a brick... but there isn't, so it won't be, so bricks are great? Maybe you could find work as a product evangelist for the brick industry.

  17. Sordid Details
    Paris Hilton

    Hide the salami?

    I think you meant hide and SEEK. I'll let Paris explain...

  18. Terry H
    Jobs Horns

    Bricks?

    Am I the only one who immediately thought: you don't need no stinkin' app, just throw the iXXX hard enough!

    This whole childish affair is a real "the enemy of my enemy" moment for me. In this case apple was right and palm may be the only company on earth who are bigger wankers.

    But apple still sucks.

  19. Albert
    Jobs Horns

    It's about access to the iTunes store

    Not allowing other devices to connect to the iTues store is like a retailer saying you can only buy our clothes if you are wearing our shoes. Apple wants to lock you into their ecosystem rather giving you the option of using somebody else’s devices.

    There is no technical reason why other devices shouldn't be allowed to sync with iTunes and so work directly with the store it is purely that Apple have locked them out.

    I think the time is coming when Apple's business practices need to be questioned.

    Locking competitors out of the iTunes store when it is the dominant music download store in the market is anti-competitive.

    Just to be clear I’m not talking about iTunes the app, just the store. If the store was opened then alternative apps for buying and managing your downloads would be developed and could compete in a fair way

  20. Anonymous Coward
    Grenade

    How hard can it be...?

    How hard is it to read a little bit of XML and then copy the appropriate files to the phone? Palm wrote the firmware for the phone so the "writing the files" part should be easy for them. If Palm need help writing an XML parser then they're in more trouble then they're letting on!

  21. Bilgepipe
    Jobs Halo

    @Albert

    "Locking competitors out of the iTunes store when it is the dominant music download store in the market is anti-competitive."

    No it isn't. There are many other sources for purchasing music. Check your dictionary for "anti-competitive" before posting.

    Also check the dictionary for "fool" - you'll find a picture of Bill Gould.

  22. cmaurand

    Use Rhapsody

    Rhapsody would probably help Palm or produce the code for Palm that would let the Pre sync with Rhapsody software. Why bother with Apple at all? Hell, my Sansa Fuse will work with Windows Media Player or Rhapsody. Who needs Apple and their crappy, resource intensive Windows version of iTunes?

  23. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    I'll miss it

    I really hope that Palm don't throw in the towel, because the incoherent comments you get, every time there's an article here, are soooo amusing.

  24. B 9

    @Albert

    "There is no technical reason why other devices shouldn't be allowed to sync with iTunes"

    - It is not Apple's job to make a synching application for all 3rd party hardware. Palm can suck it up and write their own and Apple will not have an issue with that. You know how I know that for a fact? RIM wrote their own synching software and it synchs with iTunes media and Apple does nothing to prohibit this.

    "I think the time is coming when Apple's business practices need to be questioned."

    - Apple has done NOTHING unethical here. Again, Palm violated the USB Implementers rules, not Apple. And, again, Apple is not required to write the synch software for 3rd party hardware.

    "Locking competitors out of the iTunes store. . . is anti-competitive."

    - Are you kidding me? Did you read this before you submitted? We are talking iTunes application vs. iTunes store. Please understand what you are discussing before posting.

  25. Anonymous Coward
    FAIL

    @B 9

    How much kool-aid do you have to drink to make those arguments without choking?

    Apple didn't have to do ANYTHING to allow iTunes to synch to the Pre - it worked just fine. Apple had to go out of their way to BREAK this functionality.

    Why did Apple waste time and money to make it more difficult for ordinary, non-technical users to use a Pre with their iTunes media? Because the Pre represents competition, plain and simple. They don't give a fiddlers about the poor user, they simple want to make a competitors product less attractive to users. That's fundamentally uncompetitive.

    The issue isn't whether Palm can or should write their own software, the issue is whether the actual user should be able to use the software that they are familiar with to manage their media and devices.

    And by the way, these users are Apples customers too. Apple screwing Apple customers - who'd a thunk it?

  26. giddas
    Dead Vulture

    Why do Microsoft allow itunes on windows

    They already support windows media player as it is?

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