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The website of the British National Party is back online following a reported distributed denial of service attack over the weekend. Nick Griffin, leader of the far-right political party, is appealing for £5,000 urgently to purchase hardware and servers to keep the site online in the run-up to the European and local elections …

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  1. Tony

    Really?

    ""BNP website [was] taken offline in largest cyber attack in recorded history" and of a scale seen only once before in a 2001 attack against Microsoft."

    Not sure whether to put this down to sheer arrogance, complete petulance, total ignorance or just utter bollocks.

    And as for asking for money.... just tell him to wait until he is an MP and then he can reclaim it all on expenses!

  2. Anonymous Coward
    Alert

    shame

    It's a shame it's not possible to DDos Attack their voters so that no ballot slips get through at the poles.

  3. Anonymous Coward
    Stop

    Wait a minute, Anti-Fascists

    who are saying "believe what I believe or I'll DDOS you"? Or is it "we don't trust the British people to not vote for the racist buggers"? How about "Democracy's awesome, so long as we're in charge"?

    They're not very good at upholding their own beliefs, are they?

    Well, they've come for the BNP and we'll say next to nothing.

    Then it'll be the UKIP, SNP and the Monster Raving Loonies. And we'll say nothing.

    Then we'll be left with a choice between the conservatives and labour. And that will just suck horrendously.

  4. Anonymous Coward
    Thumb Up

    As Nelson would have said...

    Nelson Muntz, that is...Hah-Ha!

  5. Ketlan
    Alert

    Rubbish

    The DDoS attack is pure fiction - read the comment here

    http://lancasteruaf.blogspot.com/2009/05/whodunnit.html

  6. Dennis
    Alert

    Do you get the feeling that nobody likes you

    Not surprised because nobody does. Its the one thing this country is united about.

    Although I do think you should be free to spout whatever hateful diatribe you wish.

    And (although I wouldn't want you at my party) you should be allowed to go to the Queens party but just sit there eat you cake and keep your mouth shut!

  7. Greg

    Griffin would know...

    >> Griffin writes that the "BNP website [was] taken offline in largest cyber attack in recorded history"

    Uh huh. Griffin being well known for his l33t tech skillz.

  8. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    BNP...muppets

    Honestly, these BNP chaps are just muppets - it's not like their website is hosted on a massive server farm. Anyone could take it down for £50

    Muppets.

  9. Graham Robinson

    Can you really believe them?

    I'm not sure £5000 even buys a normal corporate firewall and a party supported by Labour, Conservative and Liberal? I don't even think the 'Save the kittens from neo-nazi animal killers society' would get open support from all three parties.

  10. Paul Johnston

    Clear Channel

    Does't appear to be anything on the Clear Channel UK website about a DDos attack.

    Bet they are really chuffed to be brought into the news over something like this!

    Best keep your more controversial clients quite, can imagine others who oppose the BNP considering moving their bussines elsewhere.

  11. Nick Palmer
    Thumb Up

    Distributed Denial of...

    ...Scumbags? Niiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiice...

  12. Alfazed
    Happy

    Honestly !

    Well would you believe it, a good use for DDoS.

    ALF

  13. Jim Carter
    Pirate

    Whilst I don't condone the actions of said crackers

    It is piss funny listening to them bitch and moan. Excellent!

  14. Citizen Kaned

    anyone see 'have i got news for you' last week?

    the BNP is producing cartoons now for kids. and is setting up a youth movement.

    wtf is happening to this country?

  15. Gaz
    Flame

    World's saddest song

    on the world's smallest violin...

  16. Jason McQueen

    Rock and a Hard Place

    Hmmm, difficult this. On the one hand you'd have to say well done to try and silence someone of the rubbish the BNP put out but on the other hand to do this, is to deny one the principles of democracy.

  17. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Bollocks

    "Their IT professionals tracked the criminal activity back to a notorious "anti-fascist" organisation" - of course they did. I bet MI5 & the police are tripping over each other to help.

    Rot in hell BNP.

  18. Joel
    Flame

    Largest In History

    Jesus! So like the whole Russia/Estonia thing.. yeah? Wow... i mean.... wow... HOW many computers must have been involved? I mean.. this is pretty serious... like did they get like every hax0r in the world to ddos their site?

  19. SuperTim

    DDoS or just popular?

    Maybe the eastern europeans want to be so british that they are all clammering to sign up to the BNP. Seems that facism was always popular that direction.

  20. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Coudn't happen to a nicer bunch of berkshires

    Nothing else to add.

  21. Kieron McCann

    Marxists? In Russia?

    Was Mr Griffin transported in a time warp from some 1930's nazi time travel experiment?

    The only Marxists left in Russia are the infamous 'Red Grannies' of Nevsky Prospect

  22. Anonymous Coward
    Happy

    BNP ready for Government?

    After all they're proving they're crap with IT. Are you sure their email didn't originate from Nigeria?

  23. Col
    Paris Hilton

    heh heh

    I, for one, am gutted...

    Paris as she'd never deny service.

  24. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Title

    Can we get some technical details, how big the attack actually was, how much bw it used, etc?

  25. Paul
    Happy

    This gives me hope...

    If they are having trouble raising £5,000 for additional server capacity, they are obviously not as big and important as they would like everyone to think they are.

    "in largest cyber attack in recorded history" - riiight, sure. So it was bigger than the one that took out Ukrain for a week? And 'A conspiracy by "Marxist cyber criminals"' - no, just a couple of script kiddies with a bonet.

    They do like to flatter themselves and make out that they are this huge force in politics. If anything, the release of their membership list was quite heartening, it showed just how few members they actually have around the country.

    The BNP are a joke.

    Although that doesn't mean we should stop watching them.

  26. amanfromMars Silver badge
    Alien

    Woe are We ..... All is Undone and Up for Grabs

    "The BNP's Darby said it had reported its suspicions about the attack to MI5 and the police, actions only likely to result in a charge of wasting police time, according to Searchlight." .... and a waste of the BNP's time too, many would say, given the nature of the game/attack/ego trip?

  27. Anonymous Coward
    Flame

    Or...

    Some muppet tripped over the ethernet cable to their server (note: singular), but nothing can ever be attributed to in-house staff, so blame the commies.

  28. A. Lewis
    Paris Hilton

    Hmmmm

    I find it interesting that if such an attack had been directed against, say: Oxfam, or maybe the Red Cross, it'd be shocking and contemptible. I would decry it as an example of the reason botnets need to be cleaned up and so forth.

    However when it happens to the BNP, I struggle to feel any sympathy, and start to wonder if perhaps the murky side of the internet doesn't have its better points.

    Paris - she can identify with suddenly being deprived of technology after all of those phones.

  29. Lionel Baden

    MI5

    HA LOL

    like they give a monkeys !

    im all for england and proud to be white.

    but ..... (common you knew i was going to say that)

    I will never condone violence based on race.

    Yes different races have different capabilities Live with it.

  30. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Biggest in history??

    Whilst it's not funny for a website of a legal (batshit insane) party to be taken down by any means I do find the notion that this was the biggest DDOS in history hysterically funny and just another attempt for the BPN to make themselves sound more important than they are.

  31. Dave Ross
    Heart

    Oh my heart..

    bleeds...

    Oh, wait no, blood flows out and in to that organ normaly, so no it doesn't bleed at all.

  32. Anonymous Coward
    Flame

    Reichstag Firewall?

    The old tricks are still used. Lets hope they don't still work though.

  33. Freddie
    Stop

    If only...

    any of what they're whining about was true. Okay, so it's not right that they should be silenced, but it also isn't right that they're allowed to spout this torrent of ---- and have their well informed, technoliterate supporters gasp and point at the marxist, east European, botnet WITH THREE PARTY SUPPORT.

  34. J Ford
    Happy

    victims

    The BNP's whole existence is based on portraying themselves as 'victims' (the poor, downtrodden white male) so this plays into their hands, producing the same comedic exaggeration in their response as found in their other literature.

    I wonder if it hit their impressivly pointless efforts (supported by US right-wing activists) to ballot-stuff the comments sections of the Daily Mail website (amongst other sites) to make their supporters comments most popular?

  35. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    lol

    Have the BNP hired Hal Turner?

  36. Anonymous Coward
    Stop

    Real reason

    The real reason is that the moved ISPs.

    Don't be fooled by what they think is an incredible publicity stunt and call-to-arms.

    Everything else is BS. I mean, DDoS uses botnets. How they can find the leader of the zombies in such a short space of time mystifies me. Unless of course there wasn't one...

    When will they realise that the majority of British people do not like the BNP. Not in the same way that Labour supporters don't like Conservative supporters - the way that reasonable human beings don't like fascist bigots.

  37. Elmer Phud

    Boot, foot

    Jason -- "but on the other hand to do this, is to deny one the principles of democracy."

    So thier tactics of storming meetings and bussing people in to create trouble in, say, Luton, are not the same as a 'denial of service'?

    If five grand is all they need then I'd guess there are people out there itching to have another go as it won't buy much in the way of security or the fascists have asked for a lot of money to replace a power supply that caused their system to go down.

    I'm in favour of democracy - I wouldn't moan if the SWP were screwed over, either.

  38. Joe Montana
    Flame

    Why bother?

    Attacking the BNP only serves to get them mentioned in news outlets, like this one...

    On the other hand, the BNP managed to get just over 5% of the vote in the london mayoral elections... I doubt that 5% of the people of london actually believe in their policies, most of those votes will be protest votes because all of the major parties have disenfranchised them in one way or another. Take away those, and the BNP will only have a small hard core of followers.

    If the major parties would stop being so sleazy and self serving then parties like the BNP wouldn't even register in the grand scheme of things.

    Try serving the people who voted for you, not your buddies at the golf club.

  39. Subtilior

    ieigmaltk

    The BNP is the only political party left in the UK with even a modicum of decency, unfortunately.

  40. Anonymous Coward
    Flame

    fashists vs the BNP

    So, the BNP is a recognised and legitimate political party right?

    Who the fuck are these hippies trying to subvert the course of democracy?

    I don't side with people that don't trust democracy. The choice is that of the people, not some hippies with delusions of sticking it to the man under the European superstate flag bullshit.

  41. Anonymous Coward
    Stop

    Time for another Boycott ...

    So Clear Channel carries BNP posters? Time for a stern letter to their UK office boycotting all the other products they advertise ...

    They can have freedom of speech. I have the freedom not to buy.

  42. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Ho hum...

    Reading the comments attached to the Lancaster UAF page (helpfully linked to from Ketlan's post above), their hosting provider apparently pulled the plug on them (they allege due to the DDoS affecting the provider's entire network).

    What makes me think they were so busy funding leaflets and TV campaigns they either forgot to pay their website hosting bill or forgot to buy an upgrade when they neared their service level's capacity?

  43. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    It's just one bunch of fascists attacking another...

    Whereas I have no time for the BNP, I find this kind of suppression of free speech deplorable. Can you imagine if we ended up with a government staffed with people of the mindset of those who perpetrated this attack? What would they do to anyone with the temerity to publicly disagree with them? In reality they're just another brand of fascist.

    Many would regard a diversity of political opinion, therefore political parties, as a sign of a healthy democracy, even if some of those opinions are rather unpleasant.

    The sad fact is that there are people in our society who do agree with the policies of fringe movements such as the BNP and the Greens, both of which seem long on coercion and short on consensus, and who should be allowed to vote for whichever party they believe will best represent their views.

    I object to those who have so little regard for their fellow man that they assume that we are all so stupid and ignorant of history that we have to be guided (by them, of course) for fear that we can't see how moribund most extremist philosophies are, and therefore choose not to vote for them all by ourselves.

    If they were to make more of the surprisingly large number of criminal convictions against some members of the BNP's inner circle (for offences such as gang rape, armed robbery, and violent assault, rather than "political" crimes), or point out the lamentable attendance record of many of their elected councillors, demonstrating that representation of the people is not a priority for them, then they would arguably be far more effective.

    Assuming this attack did happen, it seems far more likely to reinforce the beliefs of those who already support them, and get the sympathy (!) vote of those who are wavering, than to have any significant negative effect on them.

  44. Graham Bartlett

    Precedent here...?

    "Oh no, we've been attacked by Polish hackers. Let's invade them!"

  45. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Is this the BNP with the Polish Spitfire on its leaflets?

    anyway, let's have the scale of the attack reported in the correct units: methinks that 28 million hits is scarcely likely to reach the dizzying heights of 40Gbps or more seen in proper, hardcore DDoS attacks, and if it did it wouldn't have lasted very long

  46. EvilGav

    Idiots

    Everyone on here crying "Ha ha, isn't it funny that the BNP fascists got DDoS'd and are whinging" should probably take a step away from the keyboard and look at our *current* government, who have implemented more fascist doctrine than the BNP have even considered.

    They've also brought in more laws that mean that, for example, a person of foreign descent (asian, african etc) being attacked by a group of "white youths" is immediately branded as being racially motivated, whereas the reverse is *never* true.

    I have nothing to do with the BNP, never voted for them, never been to a meeting and as far as i'm aware don't know anyone of same, but the comments on here are more deluded about what we currently have as a government than some of the worst twitterings of the Daily Fail crowd.

    Please, for the love of his noodley appendage, reel your necks in and point your ire where it actually should be pointed.

  47. Anonymous Coward
    Flame

    Re: Wait a minute, Anti-Fascists

    "They're not very good at upholding their own beliefs, are they? Well, they've come for the BNP and we'll say next to nothing."

    Congratulations for buying into the propaganda: make up some affront to your cause, then use it as an excuse to attack the people you've just blamed for that affront. And you're lapping it up.

    "Then it'll be the UKIP, SNP and the Monster Raving Loonies. And we'll say nothing."

    Congratulations for the "they came for... and we said nothing" reference which, given the affected party, manages to hit the heights of irony whether you intended it or not.

  48. Jon Thompson

    "largest cyber attack in recorded history"?

    This guy lies.

  49. Anonymous Coward
    Boffin

    Cheap publicity stunt.

    > "Their IT professionals tracked the criminal activity back to a notorious "anti-fascist" organisation" -

    Tracing the origin / originator of a sophisticated distributed denial of service botnet attack is usually pretty much impossible as the originator / controller will have carefully concealed their tracks.

    This episode reeks of cheap publicity stunt - the aggressor paints itself victim; the aggressor paints the victim as aggressor.

    Btw - Stop the War collatition experienced a website DDOS / email outage during the Isreali attack on Palestine - someone was clearly uncomfortable with the true horror of war being revealed. The attacker clearly wasn't particularly clever because simple mirroring across freely donated virtual hosting and round robin DNS solved the issue.

  50. Anonymous Coward
    Thumb Down

    @Lionel Baden

    ...No, I refute that. I think it's much more a question of the quality of your education and the culture you grow up in. Non-white tend to live in less developed countries, if they were born into a well off (yes, money is important here) British family they'd achieve just as much. Skin colour has no more relation to your 'capabilities' then hair colour does to your foot size.

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  52. Sam

    far-right political party

    John, they're national socialists, that puts them on the left.

  53. Anonymous Coward
    Flame

    My freedom of speech

    Screw you BNP, bunch of whining fascist paranoid scum bags.

  54. Bill Cumming
    Joke

    It probably wasn't a ddos attack....

    But their is probably a joke here about them refusing to call their ISP's Indian tech support...

  55. Anonymous Coward
    Paris Hilton

    Technical oversight?

    They make a broadcast on TV, it says "visit there website"

    Obviously people did.

    DDos or high traffic due to tv advert?

    Could it be even remotely possible they mistook there ddos as nothing more than there hosting couldnt handle the extra traffic they generated via there campaign advert.

    Paris, because she knows when shes being bent over and truly dos'ed.

  56. Mike Richards

    Clear Channel

    Is this the same Clear Channel that pumps right-wing conspiracy lunatics such as Rush Limbaugh from Sea to Shining Sea?

    Figures.

  57. John Bayly
    Thumb Down

    Not a DDoS

    To all the people saying this kind of thing is deplorable, I have to agree, but then believing any press release by the BNP is equally as deplorable.

    Their hosting changed and the DNS updates took the usual amount of time to propagate. Pretty stupid really, I've always had both websites run side by side for at least 72hrs after a hosting change.

  58. Stephen Gray
    Stop

    Is this the real reason?

    www.bnp.org.uk

    Your IP Address: 87.117.239.66

    IP Address Hostname: 87.117.239.66

    IP Country: United Kingdom

    IP Country Code: GBR

    IP Continent: Europe

    IP Region: Windsor and Maidenhead

    ISP Provider: B&P Interative Ltd

    which then changed to

    www.bnp.org.uk

    Your IP Address: 95.154.192.19

    IP Address Hostname: maidenhead-1.wnm.uk.cluster.bnp.org.uk

    IP Country: United Kingdom

    IP Country Code: GBR

    IP Continent: Europe

    IP Region: Windsor and Maidenhead

    ISP Provider: RapidSwitch Ltd

    Thanks to Lancaster Unity

  59. Shakje
    Stop

    @Lionel Baden @EvilGav

    Sorry Lionel, exactly what are you proud of? The only things that have been done in the name of being white are discriminatory to other races. What does it actually matter what colour you are and how can you be proud of it? Actually one of the stupidest things I've seen on here, the idea of being proud of something that you have absolutely no control over and that hasn't actually caused anything good to happen is ridiculous.

    Gav, whoah whoah whoah, racially motivated violence laws were brought in because minorities were set upon regularly for racially motivated reasons. It might need a review now, but I think in general the courts are actually pretty good at determining what is racially motivated. I also don't see how it is fascist to put through a law that protects minorities, if you could explain that I'd be happy to approach it with an open mind. If you can give some examples of the other fascist laws that the government have put in place. I'd say that we're leaning towards police state, even if I don't think it's nearly as close to it as some people make out, I do feel strongly about the erosion of rights (across the board), but to compare the government to the BNP is not just naive it's utterly stupid. The BNP are quite clearly racist fascist idiots, whereas the government, while doing some silly things are nowhere near them in terms of hate, violence, or lies. The email in the article should confirm that alone. You actually fail worse than the DF crowd because you sound more like the BNP than you realise. You should have just kept it to, whatever they think, DDoS is bad and left it.

    If either of these posts is bait I apologise.

  60. The Jase

    differences

    "@ Lionel Baden

    By Anonymous Coward Posted Wednesday 27th May 2009 10:51 GMT

    Don't be such a fucking tease - elaborate please?"

    Vitamin D synthesis via sunlight, sickle cells/malaria resistance but thats about all I can think of.

    Other differences are probably down to diet and environment.

  61. Anonymous Coward
    Stop

    Oh come on

    Even I know that both BNP and UKIP and probably others outside of the trilateral system are all run by the security services! Google "common purpose" to see who the real 'fifth column' is.

  62. Anonymous Coward
    Stop

    "Real" real reason

    On top of the "they moved ISP" and "how can they find a DDOS source so quickly", was on a forum where it got pointed out as it happened. What was really happening is that the majority of DNS servers were resolving bnp.org.uk to 127.0.0.1. So whether this was DNS poisoning, or a screwup when they moved ISP, I leave to the tin-foil hat brigade. However my gut tells me it was the latter.

    The ones that did resolve an IP address came up with (the old) 87.117.239.66 - a reverse lookup on that IP couldn't resolve anything, which further suggests that the adminstrators there are numpties who couldn't hit any key to continue...

  63. Paul

    @Subtilior: decency my arse

    Subtilior:"The BNP is the only political party left in the UK with even a modicum of decency, unfortunately."

    They're just the latest incarnation of the right wing pirates that have dipped their snouts hardest and longest every time they've reached power. They've rarely been content picking their own citizens pockets either, warmongering scum.

    Watching their election broadcast I couldn't understand why they'd shown WW2 footage from the wrong side...

  64. Eddie Edwards
    Boffin

    @ AC

    "Skin colour has no more relation to your 'capabilities' then hair colour does to your foot size."

    Actually, hair colour is correlated with foot size.

  65. Anonymous Coward
    Paris Hilton

    @Stephen Gray, and @The Flash Crowd

    Actually they're now on their third IP address in 2 days, 78.129.146.137

    Looks like they got themselves a flash crowd by going on the telly, and their ISP(s) went into panic mode. Perhaps somebody mistook the flash crowd for DDOS because nobody ever looked at the site before. It's really a *very* funny web site, a perfect self-parody, even when you realise it's meant to be taken seriously.

    Paris, because she isn't as stupid as the BNP.

  66. tim
    Happy

    Chinny reckon?

    make me LOL for real, haven't heard that since school

  67. Stephen Gray
    Joke

    @ Eddie Edwards

    I'm sure foot size has got some other correlation...

  68. pctechxp

    errr

    I wonder who provides bandwidth to these filth spouting assholes?

    Whoever they are here's hoping they go out of business PDQ.

  69. Richard

    My tuppence worth

    Not that it makes a lot of difference, but I feel like adding a bit.

    @Subtilior - are you deranged, or was it a poor attempt at irony?

    Politics is mostly all bullshit anyway, party politics more so. I'm really not sure whether I'm right wing or not.

    I like to think of things from a "survival of the species" perspective, in which case diversity is paramount. For diversity you need a kind of venn diagram type approach to segregation, I think this is a fairly natural process anyway so you don't really need to do anything to encourage it.

    The whole keeping blacks/whites/asians etc. apart thing is not going to help diversity and neither is the other extreme, which I'm not exactly sure how or why anyone would try to achieve anyway.

    As for the story, I'm not really sure how it came about, is it a case of the BNP considering that all publicity is good publicity? They draw attention to their opponents, their opponents don't really seem to come out of it too badly anyway, even with the allegations the BNP make. Really odd. It just makes me think the spokesman or person giving the spokesman the orders just has some kind of mental deficiency. I'm pretty sure that if it were genuine and there was some kind of attack of the magnitude they suggest the news wouldn't just be coming from the victim and there would be other sources. Most likely there would be one or more hacking groups trying to claim responsibility too?

  70. Anonymous Coward
    Thumb Down

    Sheep!

    Before all you sheep start spouting the same cack "RIght-wing bad, left-wing good!", just bear in mind that the two ruling parties are the ones on the boards of arms companies quite happily flogging guns to nasty little left and right-wing juntas in far flung foreign places. Nice friendly places like Turkey and Zimbabwe, were human rights are nothing more than a friendly joke among the security forces abusing innocent men, women and children, doing nothing more than trying to make a living. Let's not forget how far Tony B had his head Dubya's fundament! Dubya, the great Christian leader being just slightly right of center!

    So I can tolerate a few extreme nutters in the name of democracy, so long as we remember the lessons of a past. Times get hard and the nutters get more support, make damn sure the support doesn't tip the scales and they become a force to deal with, it will be too late by then!

  71. NogginTheNog
    Happy

    Laugh at them, don't fear them!

    The Manchester Evening News did an interesting 'exposé' on the BNP yesterday (as if we didn't know they were racist bastards anyway). What made me laugh was they apparently have a policy of strong incentives to send anyone who ISN'T WHITE abroad. Note, that's not non-British, but none white! With impossible ideas like that (what do you do about 3rd and 4th generation immigrants who've never lived anywhere else, and who *are* British??!), then to be honest the BNP are really just a joke.

    And as for the three-party conspiracy to bring down their website, well it's probable despising the BNP is one of the few things that COULD get a concensus across the big three parties... ;-)

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  73. Gaz
    Flame

    Re: Idiots

    You can't put cack-handed legislation on the same level as outright intolerance and bigotry. The BNP are forced to put up a facade of respectability because they don't have much support. The danger comes if people buy into this and forget that underneath they haven't changed at all all. Some recent gems:

    "Rape is simply sex. Women enjoy sex, so rape cannot be such a terrible physical ordeal... [it] is like suggesting force-feeding a woman chocolate cake is a heinous offence." - Nick Eriksen

    "I honestly don't hate asylum seekers - THESE PEOPLE ARE COCKROACHES and they're doing what cockroaches do because cockroaches can't help what they do, they just do it, like cats miaow and dogs bark." - Mark Collett

    "This wicked, vicious faith has expanded from a handful of cranky lunatics about 1,300 years ago, to it's now sweeping country after country before it, all over the world. And if you read that book (the Koran), you'll find that that's what they want." - Nick Griffin on Islam

    "A FRIENDLY DISEASE because blacks, drug users and gays have it." - Mark Collett on AIDS

    "WHITE WORKING CLASS SCUM will be swept away by a future BNP government." - Simon Smith

    I'll admit to being ambivalent on this one. My lack of sympathy for them stems not just from the fact I disagree with them but that they do not even share the basic ideals of equality and tolerance that make democracy possible. However vehemently most groups in the UK disagree most draw the line collectively at advocating discrimination and violence against opponents (let alone practicing it as the BNP have in the past). Much as it chokes to say it however I still believe the devil should have the benefit of law. As long as they aren't breaking any laws they should be afforded the same rights as the rest of us including freedom of speech.

  74. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Can't be bothered to read all of the above...

    ...but just in case nobody actually corrected the mistake. The BNP are not far right. They are left of centre. They are also authoritarian. Left and right is about economics. The other aspect of a political position is liberty or authority. i.e. libertarian or authoritarian. It is extremely authoritarian to force people of a certain ethnic origin to leave this country and not be allowed to come back. It is racist to classify people according to race. A racisit philosophy is an authoritarian one.

    Far right means you want everything to be about money. Far left means you want everything to be about socialism. They are both extreme positions and usually not represented by political parties. More likely a man by himself will be extremely left-wing or extremely right-wing. And then on top of that he will be either a liberal or an authoritarian.

    Hitler was pretty socialist and therefore left of centre. His policies and thoughts were generally about social engineering and dividing up populations and making / forcing people to do what he wanted. This is an authoritarian socialist position. Not a free-market libertarian position. Rather than saying "you people can live here if you want and the following services are available if you pay for them..." - that would be a partly right-wing position. He was actually saying "you people cannot live here and I am moving you out" - that is social engineering, which is socialist, which is left-wing and because he enforced it, it was also authoritarian.

    Both Hitler and the BNP are authoritarian and so is the UK government. Most regimes require something from their citizens so they are always on the authoritarian side of the spectrum. Then they are either left or right according to their economic policy. So what is extreme about the BNP is that their whole political agenda is based on uprooting certain kinds of people and moving them out of this country.

    Take the test for yourself and find out if you are like Hitler and the BNP or more like Ghandi: http://www.politicalcompass.org/test

    Most people are left of centre and on the liberal side.

  75. Anonymous Coward
    Pirate

    FFS

    What cant people look at the policies and know which side of the 'pointless in modern 'laughable' politics' political spectrum they stand for.

    Labour are the Right Wing nut bags, the BNP are the Left wing nut bags.

    Please learn the difference rather than just spout what you already heard (incorrectly) before.

    *\. Still flying the Flag for the Revolution.

  76. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    well..

    "Skin colour has no more relation to your 'capabilities' then hair colour does to your foot size."

    so your saying that white people are just as effective at surviving a long time in very hot climates with lots of direct sunlight as black people? Even tho evolution has given them a reistance to the sunlight due to exposer helping them survive in teh harser climate?

    This is kinda a observation here before i get called racist, but its kidna a point that there ARE differences, in many cases black people are better than whites!

  77. Defiant
    Thumb Down

    The Extreme Left is Scum

    The whole lead-up to the European elections has shown how dirty the extreme left has been. I've not come across one newspapers or TV channel that hasn't took a swipe at the BNP however they ignore how undemocratic the left has been over the past 20/30yrs

  78. David
    Thumb Down

    @EvilGav

    "a person of foreign descent (asian, african etc) being attacked by a group of "white youths" is immediately branded as being racially motivated, whereas the reverse is *never* true."

    Hmm. What about the Kriss Donald case, for one? (five Asians convicted for the racially-aggravated abduction and killing of a white boy). The BNP were quite keen about making political capital about that.

  79. Matthew Greet

    Reminds me of RTF

    Does the BNP really think people will fall for this victimhood propaganda?

  80. Gav
    Thumb Down

    Please stop giving these people publicity

    It's a democracy and, wonderfully, they are free to say and believe whatever they wish.

    But The Register doesn't have to report their pathetic affairs.

  81. Anonymous Coward
    Go

    Moved again

    Now at 78.129.146.137. Anyone got a teenie-weenie botnet spare?

    Violet

  82. David S
    Happy

    Chinny Reckon

    "BNP website [was] taken offline in largest cyber attack in recorded history"

    Mmm. One has to wonder which version of recorded history we're talking about here? Real recorded history, or the version Nick Griffin likes to make up as he goes along, where the holocaust never happened and Hitler was a misunderstood genealogy enthusiast.

    My guess would be the latter...

    I like to have a little giggle about the antics of these idiots; it's nice to see the terrifying force of right-wing oppression reduced to such grubby scrabbling about the fringes, as long as it stays there. What worries me is that the discrediting of some representatives of the "main" political parties might allow these numpties to gain by default. Frankly, the world could do without that.

  83. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    The last time..

    .....they got ddosed they described it as "the most sophisticated attack of it's kind, ever"

    They like these big punchlines.

    Oh - and that was me. :-) In my younger days of course, would not dream of playing with bots now, I fear the retribution of reg readers too much. "String him up" "Hang the bast*rd"

    Anyway - I was daft enough to get caught, all be it through some fairly cool investigations. If I remember correctly they moved to Clear Channel after the ddos attack, could be wrong though.

    Result of ddosing BNP site? Eventually charged with breach of the peace against a computer, copped a plea. So there we go, even if they did get ddosed again (which is looking unlikely) whomever did it just needs to string the court process out a bit till the cops get bored and eventually cop a plea and get away with a slap and a fine. (assuming they get caught of course)

    Whatever you gotta say about ddos attacks, if anyone deserves it they do ;-)

  84. Simon Redding
    Stop

    And they're off again...

    Just in from Rapidshare:

    Do not reply to this e-mail - you can add to this ticket online at:

    https://myservers.rapidswitch.com/Abuse/AbuseTicket.aspx?ticketid=IVHE-RGH-TXCM&key=iwxozyqtkl

    The client hosting the material you raised this abuse report about has

    indicated that they are in the process of resolving the original problem. You

    will be informed when they have completed this work. You do not need to take

    any action, but if you want to add to the ticket, click the link above and we

    will relay your comments to the client.

    Client Response Follows:

    ------------------------

    We're a registered UK political party and this is its official website. If these allegations were true we could not be standing for election.

    I'm sorry that RapidSwitch are receiving threats such as this. We've already agreed to move to another host by the end of the day (ticket IOZ-KHFC-IDQV) because our opponents were resorting to DDoS attacks which RapidSwitch are unable to deal with these on our current hosting package.

  85. Shakje
    Paris Hilton

    Why is it

    That there's always some idiot who thinks they know what right and left wing means and gets it totally wrong while trying to disappear up their own arse.

    Can't even be arsed to paste the definitions in:

    http://www.google.co.uk/search?client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-GB%3Aofficial&channel=s&hl=en&q=define%3A+right+wing&btnG=%D0%9F%D0%BE%D0%B8%D1%81%D0%BA+%D0%B2+Google

    http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&channel=s&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-GB%3Aofficial&hs=zYJ&q=define%3A+left+wing&btnG=Search&meta=

    If you really think the BNP is centrist or left leaning you have to be as daft as Paris.

  86. Gaz
    Flame

    Re: Can't be bothered to read all of the above...

    I understand where you're coming from but thats only if you're using the Political Compass. Although arguably a better way of categorizing politics it still only one of several competing models. In mainstream usage multi-axis models have yet to to replace the traditional one-dimensional spectrum most of us here were referring to. Either way the BNP are still a bunch of extremist fuckwits...

  87. Anonymous Coward
    Thumb Down

    National Socialist NOT Left wing

    To Sam and the AC who cmame up with "they are National Socialists ergo they are lefties" you are so wrong it isn't funny.

    The reason the Nazis came up with that name was to confuse people as to what they were, to draw people away from the strong Socilist parties active in Germany at the time.

    The Nazis were authoritarian, and they came in denouncing democracy, but they had no problem with Private firms and capitalists. What they never were was socialist

  88. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    anti-fascist....who would have thunk it....

    notorious "anti-fascist" organisation

    So... they admit to being fascists then.... may the rot and burn...

    BNP - British Nazi Party

  89. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Here's simple for you

    There seems to be some debate here centering on the rights and wrongs of launching a DDOS attack against the BNP, but we only have their word for it that they were attacked.

    Before we continue the debate why don't we ask them to publish the evidence that the attack actually happened. If they can produce compelling evidence then fair enough, continue the debate. If, OTOH, they can't produce compelling evidence then let's stop wasting energy on this debate and start wasting energy into the debate on the rights and wrongs of claiming your political oponents have orchestrated an attack against you when they haven't. Of course I can't imagine that there was a cynical motive behind making these claims only a week before an election so that there is little chance that they will be disproved before the election. Ahem!

    After all they must have some pretty startling evidence if they managed to trace the botmaster in such a short space of time. I for one would like to see the evidence that shows that they were hit by the biggest nastiest DDoS attack in recent times. I would like even more to see the evidence that shows that they tracked down the botmaster of this attack, and how they actually did it.

  90. Outcast
    Thumb Up

    Good explanation

    @ AC 12:29 GMT

    Thanks for that explanation

    Copied & pasted into Tomboy notes for future ref

  91. Mike Richards

    @ Anonymous Coward

    'Now at 78.129.146.137. Anyone got a teenie-weenie botnet spare?'

    Try twittering the people at BBC 'Click' last time I heard they had one they needed to get rid of.

  92. Doug
    IT Angle

    ex-commies would be pro-BNP

    > Griffin writes that the "BNP website [was] taken offline in largest cyber attack in recorded history" .. The email .. claims that the assault originated from "eastern Europe and Russia" and was also directed against Clear Channel, a firm which reportedly provides billboard advertising to the BNP, as well as the party website.

    I would have thought that the ex-commies would be pro-BNP as they would tend to undermine the current blair-bushite regime. Besides can we really believe him. A borked upgrade over the weekend being more likely.

    I have personal knowledge of two such incidents. One was blamed on some fascist regime far-far-away. The other caused free long distance mobile calls for the entire weekend. They were both down to a flakey system, failed upgrades and incompetent staff.

  93. Matt

    just for lols did the political compass thing

    Economic Left/Right: 4.75

    Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.90

    may of been a touch different if some of the questions weren't so loaded lol.

  94. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Right turn. Quick march.

    The political spectrum stretches from Fascism on the extreme right to Communism on the extreme left, with the middle ground occupied by various flavours of social democrats. Dictators, despots and megalomaniacs are, predictably, completely off the scale.

    The unlovely BNP belong way out on the right with the other Fascist scumbags.

  95. Mickey Finn
    Stop

    @Anonymous Coward Posted Wednesday 27th May 2009 12:29 GMT

    Absolutely correct.

    BNP is far left, nothing to do with the right...

    The problem for the traditional left:

    EG. Labour party, LibDums, BBC, Mirror, Grauniad, etc.

    Is that they do not want the great unwashed to realise that their theories are not THAT different to those of the BNP.

    Add the European Commission to the above list, and you have a neat list of the fascist leftie political organisations operating in the UK. Those that shout loudest about what they are NOT are usually hiding something.

  96. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    @ Mickey Finn

    Don't you realise that that your boss Nick Griffin has issued orders that require you to moderate your comments on public forums? It's okay to wear your brown shirt and swastika armband in private but please don't display the seething hatred that is your usual signature tune. Don't want to frighten off the electors,do we Mickey?

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