Only if I'm on it
> 1,000 versions of 150 different types of Unix
And that goes a long way to explaining why we have a MS dominated world today.
This one is strictly for the hardcore fan - for the very first time, it says here, you have the chance to purchase a giant poster showing the history and development of Unix. That's right - this 40 foot poster includes over 1,000 versions of 150 different types of Unix. Backed with fractal art by Alan Tenant, the poster is …
here's some early history: http://www.bell-labs.com/history/unix/
I worked at Bell Labs during the 1980s and heard a few of these stories from the creators of UNIX. One thing you don't tend to see in articles is just how bad Multics was, apparently so inefficient on two people could use it at once, which just barely made it a "timesharing" system. The break with MIT never healed, there was still a lot of philosophical disagreement about software between Bell Labs and MIT even in the 1980s. You can find anti-Bell-Labs diatribes from MIT.
MIT initially hated UNIX, and I think the real reason was that UNIX swept through the academic computer science community and destroyed MIT's dreams of dominating the CSci community with LISP and other systems they were developing, like ITS. Ken Thompson was also very hostile toward the MIT AI lab's research, which he considered to be little more "grant fraud". It's ironic, considering that today Stallman has achieved so much success on the basis of Linux.
"That's right - this 40 foot poster includes over 1,000 versions of 150 different types of Unix."
<SIGH> There used to be a time when there was only SYS V rel 3 and maybe its competitor BSD UNIX. Someone at that time told me "Now, everything will consolidate into the SYS V branch". Boy, how could he have been proved more wrong than that.
Linux is still only a kernel with a miriad of distros, accounting for many of the poster I think, and each commercial Unix is as proprietary as MVS could ever be.
As the first poster said, only Windows is a standard.
> just how bad Multics was, apparently so inefficient on two people could use it at once
You're badly misinformed, my friend. When I was at university, we had a Multics installation to serve the whole campus. It worked fine, supporting the whole student body and staff. I personally saw dozens / maybe a hundred people all using these new-fangled VDUs (at 600 Baud!!!!) all running quite happily - though the "cookie monster" would occasionally get one of them.
"I can think of far more entertaining ways to initiate a divorce than bringing home a $300 "
300 and something dollars is like something like 1200 two and sixes like.
And 1200 half crowns is like 150 quid like. Well you could like put it up like in a garage like and she'd never like know.
You could distract her by arguing the relative measures taken to devalue the pound from the good old days. When did pot noodle cost half a crown? like.
Linux isn't GNU, either. However, it IS a UNIX-like OS, as is/were aix, mac osx, coherent, hp/ux, solaris, sunos, etc. I am not a fan of wiki-anything, but my brother sent me this link to a chart listing the links (or lack thereof) of most of the major players over the years.
I note with interest that Mark Williams Coherent isn't included. Mark Williams C was one of my go-to tools for years ... You could fit the whole system, including compiler, assembler, linker, libraries, decent screen editor, etc. on a single, DOS-bootable 1.44 floppy!
The one thing that annoys me every time I try to pick a Linux distribution (wanting to see what all the noise is about). The eternal 'smugness / douche bag' factor of recursive acronyms i.e. WINE Is Not [an] Emulator, LAME [is (not?)] Another Mp3 Encoder, etc ad naseum. And that most software stays either the eternal Beta stage or that versions never line up in Major releases of 'distros'. And the fact there are so many 'distros' were people even have little wars about which one is better.
I use a mix of Solaris/BSD/Windows for everything, choosing which based on the situation. The Linux 'community' has seemed to me like a big old 'mines bigger' contest, where no one wins and everyone wonders why they aren't popular...
"I use a mix of Solaris/BSD/Windows for everything, choosing which based on the situation. The Linux 'community' has seemed to me like a big old 'mines bigger' contest, where no one wins and everyone wonders why they aren't popular..."
When it comes to Linux distributions, I recommend ignoring the fanbois ... but if you really know what the BSDs are, why are you babbling about "mine's bigger" and "winning" and "popularity" instead of just using what works?
Just for a change of pace, why not try a tried & true, decade-and-a-half-old Linux distribution. One that's been around the block a few times, and knows what un*x and stability means. That would be Slackware (soon to be seen in a convenient 64bit version, finally).
If you claim you like one or another of the BSDs (which I've been using for decades), and yet hate Linux, I call bullshit on your part.
The acronyms are a part of the culture. There is learning in there, if you pay attention.
Ah, Slackware. I remember thee. A friend of mine installed it on a PC of mine, and said 'there you go, have fun'. Broke it in less than an hour. Got him to fix it, watched what he did, and then broke it again. This time I knew how to fix it. I much preferred Slack to the others, since it _didn't_ have all of the fancy stuff like APT, and you had to get everyhting manually. you always knew what was installed on it, since you put it there. PITA to resolve some dependancies, mind you, and I ended up with Deb on my prod server due to the security updates. Come Slack x64, think I'll move back...
Anyway, to get back on topic, why do I want one of those? I know I shouldn't, can't afford one (damn, they're expensive. And why are they weatherproof? Who is pinning them outside? May as well get a massive banner proclaiming 'I AM A MASSIVE GEEK' and hang it above your front door. Probably cheaper too...), and have nowhere to put it, but damn, i want one!
I think I could barely fit this by hanging it on all 4 walls of my living room... but then I'd cover all the doors and windows, so I wouldn't be able to get in (out actually... I'd be trapped in there.)
And yes, Slackware is rather nice... Didn't know about that x64 version, but now all of a sudden I can't wait. One thing people didn't mention about it is that compared to all the bleeding edge distros, it's rather fast. And you can kill X when you want to without worrying that it'll just come back!
Despite the fact that I'd quite like it to. Too many different confusing distros and variations.
And nearly all of them have obscure and utterly hideous acronym-based names which are virtually impossible to pronounce or even read in some cases. Compare:
Mac Operating System. Photoshop. Windows Media Player.
Kubuntu. Xandros. GIMP. Totem. GNUmetris (wtf is that? Oh wait, it's tetris)
Only OpenOffice has remotely normal monickers that don't look like they were thought of by a man sitting in the centre of four padded and faeces-smeared walls. The dorky names need to go.
"...only Windows is a standard."
Please have a gander at the already referenced http://www.levenez.com/ (specifically http://www.levenez.com/windows/windows.pdf)
...and then come back and tell us more about this Windows 'standard'. I'm almost exclusively a Windows user, but I've spent some time on other systems and know the benefits of the various OSs.
MS dominates the desktop for sure but it doesn't quite dominate the world. Go through a data centre sometime and checkout how many boxes are running Linux, FreeBSD or some other version of *nix.
Caveat: You'll probably have to ask the owners in most cases but some boxes always sport a Tux, Debian swirl or Beasty sticker.
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