re: can't think of one
You wrote: "Can we really legislate for deviants with personality disorders?"
I wrote: Excuse me? A murderer is a murderer. Therefore shouldn't you be asking 'Can we really criminalise innocent consenting people where there are no victims?'
I suggest you get your facts straight before labelling a huge proportion of very 'normal' people, and I shall kindly go out of my way to provide a link for you to do so.
Your response was: "mmm, on reading my last sentence, I should have perhaps been clearer..
The case that has triggered this type of legislation was the guy that murdered his girlfriend. Seems he had a prediliction for seeing woman suffer / being hurt in a sexual context and acted out on this fantasy. I suggest the description of being both sexually deviant and having a personality disorder is accurate in this case."
My response to that: It was triggered, a knee jerk reaction to a case where not only was someone killed, but he went out of his way to hide that it had ever happened.
This is not something that happens every day of the week, yet has been happening before images, tv, the internet ever even existed, yet because he happened to have images on his computer, oh, a new reason for a mentality they still can not explain or erradicate after thousands of years! Er...riiiight...People act out their fantasies every day of the week yet you would never know, because guess what...everyone's fine and happy and getting on with their daily business as usual, keeping their private lives private and acting responsibly because they 'care', while doing so.
As others have written for example, the person who wrote the film 'the Accused' had certain thoughts. It doesn't mean he would ever go out and rape someone in such a manner. The producers, directors, script writers, actors and actresses, cameramen and all those involved are all taking part in play 'fantasy acts' as part of their job - a job they love doing. Every day regular people are no different and are generally as sane and as normal as any of those involved in film making.
You wrote: " What is not clear is what effect the material he was looking at had on him. Therefore the intent of the legislation (to stop people like him from accessing this type of material and then going onto commit murder, presumably) is based on a flawed presumption.
My response: The law as it stands gives too many 'excuses' for criminals to receive lighter sentences or even get out of jail free cards. Each and every person that exists are responsible for their own actions. All this nonsense "It wasn't' my fault, the pictures made me do it!" is just another excuse being handed to such criminals to pass the blame onto something else and not take responsibility for their own actions and giving them lighter sentences, early parole etc etc. Again, people will kill people, a very small minority and have done so for thousands of years, long before images, long before the internet, long before cameras and videos appeared. To blame it on images is just a nonsense.
You asked again "Ergo, can we really legislate for deviants with personality disorders?"
My response: Given your clarification of what you mean, no. And yet that is 'exactly' what this ridiculous law is doing, giving them a validated 'excuse' to say "It's not my fault!'. So again, I'll repeat, where there are no victims, there has been no crime committed, there should be no criminilisation. It is no different to the days where Gays were instantly labelled as Paedophiles, which of course is simply not true. We've come a long way since then, and just as with S&M, England is the only country who does not (want) to recognise that according to the extensive research that 'does' exist, S&Mers are actually 'less likely' to have personality disorders. But who can be blamed and held responsible then? Let me think....Oh, of course, individuals and self responsibility!
You then wrote, which really doesn't surprise me: " Thanks for the link though. If i do, in the future, decide to direct my comments to the "huge proportion of 'normal' people" you refer to, i'll be sure to read it. "
My response: That attitude says it all. Not interested in finding out facts? Not a politician by any chance, are you? :p
It's too easy to want something done, point the finger at something easy and convenient to point the finger at and bury your head in the sand. Facts are facts and refusing to even acknowledge them is why the Government stuff up so badly in the first place and will continue to do so. And the sad part is, the innocent people who are going to have their lives wrecked, their jobs wrecked, their families lives wrecked - for nothing - in the process. That'll really put murderers off from murdering, won't it.