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Amazon has blocked sales of a sick Japanese PC game that puts the player in the role of a criminal who rapes a mother and her two teenage daughters. The online vendor recently advertised two copies of the game RapeLay sold through the Amazon Marketplace section open to third-party vendors. Made by the Japanese production …

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  1. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Mmmk

    Sure there could be tighter controls by Amazon but just like knives on Ebay things can slip through the net, these things do happen and it's not like Amazon was buying this stuff in and selling it themselves. Hardly worth a parliament mention, someone screwed up, it does happen but it's blocked now so it's dealt with.

  2. Sooty

    and now it's got all this publicity

    it'll be pirated like mad by people wondering what all the fuss was about. reaching a far wider audience than an obscure hentai game ever would have normally.

  3. Seán

    ffs

    I heard of another game where you are an armed man and you have to kill shitloads of other people, that should be banned too.

  4. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Big surprise.

    "Labour MP Keith Vaz told the Belfast Telegraph he was shocked that Amazon would allow people to purchase the game and plans to raise the issue in Parliament. "

    Labour MP Keith Vaz has no idea how the Amazon marketplace works.

    Big surprise.

  5. kain preacher Silver badge

    Extreem porn laws

    Nuff said

  6. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Is there a game...

    where you are an armed man and you have to kill Keith Vaz?

    [/jk]

  7. Pete "oranges" B.
    Flame

    Did I wander into some weird parallel universe again?

    A US merchant on a US based site sells imported copies of a Japanese video game. Customers of said site dislike the game so much that they complain. The people responsible for running the site decide that it's not really worthwhile to go on carrying said game, since people are complaining about it, and use their veto power over what their merchants may carry to take it down from the site. After the fact, a British paper decides that the incident is apparently of international importance (or are really stuck for interesting stories) and reports on it in Britain.

    Now how in the heck does some British politician named Vaz and the entire British Parliament get involved again? More importantly, is there no way to punish people like Vaz for criminal misuse of government time?

    Of course, who am I to complain? Members of the US congress decided they needed to take time out a session in order to issue a response to remarks made by some radio talk show host.

    Politicians really need to be introduced to blogs. It is, after all, a match made in heaven. Nobody reads blogs, nobody listens to politicians. Blogs would give them a nice, cheap way to have their opinions ignored, so they can do real work during their paid hours. Oh, I see the problem now! ;)

    Ugh, it really is Friday, in'it?

  8. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Labour MP Keith Vaz...

    ... needs to google playfilth sometime. His head might explode.

  9. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Hmmm...

    Can I still buy games where I can kill people?

  10. Chris C

    Delicate topic

    As sad as it is, there's a part of me that wants to defend this game. Why? Because like the violent games many of us play (or have played), it's not real. It's not a "training utility" as the anti-gamers say about violent games. It's merely a fictional video game in which you control a fictional character to perform fictional acts on other fictional characters. And in this case, it looks as if the characters aren't even rendered to look realistic. The subject matter is in extremely poor taste, but some people would say that about violent games such as GTA Vice City or the countless war-based FPS games out there.

    On the other hand, there's also a part of me that feels certain topics are off-limits, specifically rape and child abuse. That includes pornography involving young children and pornography in which the person was forced or coerced. It would be nice to be able to say "child porn" instead of that previous sentence, but we can't use that term anymore since the idiotic law enforcers and lawmakers have used that term to describe a 17-year-old girl taking nude pictures of herself, and to describe anyone receiving an unsolicited picture of a nude minor on their mobile phone.

    That said, where do we draw the line? It's important to be able to talk about rape, in order to teach people (specifically young girls) about it and hopefully prevent it, and also to help someone recover if it does happen to them. To that end, it *may* also help to allow it to be a part of a television show or movie, depending on how it is treated (though, if you ask me, it's way overused it today's media, and used for the wrong reasons).

    I guess the ultimate question is: Why are we psychologically opposed to rape but not to murder, especially in a society which largely considers casual sex an acceptable act (thereby eliminating the "sex is sacred" defense)?

  11. John
    Dead Vulture

    You can't buy the kind of advertising.....

    ....an "outraged" politician gets you.

    That title just went from obscure to very probably awesomely well seeded on PB....

    And sure enough, after a quick look...

    475 seeders with almost 1300 leechers, way to go politician guy, barely anyone would have touched it originally, now everyone will want to cheggit out and see what the fuss is about.

  12. Destroy All Monsters Silver badge
    Flame

    Wow a non-issue for non-people. Just don't buy it, m'okay?

    Anyone over the age of 18 getting his/her knickers in a twist about simulo-rape by cel-animated 2D protagonists should seek out the next psychiatrist's couch as he/she has clearly been a victim of grooming by the pink mental rays coming out of politician's behinds whenever they are looking for easily sellable ideas to divert from any real problems coming our way.

    So how is the financial meltdown coming?

  13. Anonymous Coward
    Thumb Down

    Double Standards

    Same old same old.

    You can simulate hacking people to pieces with axes, blasting their brains out with guns, running them over with cars and it's all good (because that's just violence) but as soon as sex comes into then suddenly it's deemed offensive.

  14. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    oh dear [random chance and evolution]

    The target market is probably limited to Japanese over here on business who have run out of vacuum packed school girl panties to tug the nog over. Games are just that, games, and while the subject matter is distasteful it's really only marginally more distasteful than a recent mainstream war game that encouraged the player to execute unarmed injured enemy soldiers.

  15. JT2008
    IT Angle

    Ban GTA , too.

    This is stupid.

    I mean, really, what happened to freedoms?

    Oh, that's right ...you are on "that side" of the pond.

  16. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    @ Seán

    Very good observation Seán. The worst two things a person can do, yet one is acceptable to do virtually!

    Does that say something about the human condition?

  17. Anonymous Coward
    Pirate

    ban this sick filth to fail to avoid chilling effects

    Seán has a point there. Games such as Battle Raper 2, the others mentioned in the article, and countless fetish-oriented doujin (amateur-published) hentai works are pretty disagreeable, undoubtedly.

    When lines start to be drawn in the sand, that is when I start to feel uneasy. Rape simulators are bad, we can probably all agree. Next on the list, however, could be murder simulators.

    (e.g. potentially any FPS/semi-realistic shooter)

    I won't stand for the thin end of the wedge; the next thing you know, the cat will have the cream and the only two potential things to look out for will be arsenic and icing sugar.

  18. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Fanny Hill was banned too

    They need to grow up and learn to separate the real world from movies games etc.

    They may think you are the only person to be able to separate real from fake and that you know better than others. In reality, they are a dangerous emotional irrational idiots that are trying to impose their own world views on others without a solid logical reasoned basis.

    Knee jerk nannies.

  19. Anonymous Coward
    Thumb Down

    Played it.

    It's not very good. The CG isn't exactly the best drawn in the world and because it's Japanese based, there's loads of censoring. Plus, the English translations leave a lot to be desired, I spent about 3 minutes on 1 frame trying to decipher the Engrish.

    tbh, if you want to have a wank, just watch porn. It looks better, it's uncensored and you don't have to keep fumbling your mouse with your left hand to click continue.

  20. Anonymous Coward
    Boffin

    Of course!

    The removal of such a game is a most grievious assault on your rights and freedoms.

    Why, we really ought to be having /truly/ free speech, and let any warped bugger spew forth with dubious titilations -- just so, if anything, we will finally draw a line in the sand, between liberty and libertarianism.

  21. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    @Played it.

    Why didn't you get teh decensors, they're easy enough to find, but yeah not a great game regardless of how much the communiy raved about its customisablility

  22. Anonymous Coward
    Thumb Up

    @oh dear [random chance and evolution]

    Said underware has been illegal for years. Update your tabloid based knowledge of Japan.

    Only reason no one wants yank/brit girls underware is they don't want some guys jizz all over their nose or skids.

    (hey I've been ushering the 1234567890 event ~~ wee bit tipsy)

  23. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    @Destroy All Monsters

    Prroblen is you just described 90% of the anglo dominated world, (What the hell should you call UK/Canada/Republic of Ireland/USA/Australia/New Zealand - other than "those prudish psychos with the teen parent problem")

    And why is it we have such a violent haterid towards sexual fantasy? Continental Europe doesn't seem quite so mental, although I say give it time, I'm sure soon enough everyone will have the same ultra anti fantasy mind set, bet you'll see rape and violent abuse escale in concert with it.

  24. Jenkins

    moe doesn't exist in 3d, anyway.

    ... so, any 2d content, should be exempt from negative sanctions.

  25. Anonymous Coward
    Thumb Down

    sounds like austin wants a job with aunty beeb

    Sort of article I would expect to read on the Communist Broadcasting Politburo (formerly BBC) or on some tripe like iVillage

    Rape is wrong yes, we hear that all the time from stasi commander jacqui, murder is taken to be worse in law, so why do we have a "sex offenders register" ( <- biggest piece of feature creep EVER ) and no "life takers register"?

    Answer - murder can be ok'd by the church for "religious defence/holy war/jihad"...rape...well unless your a catholic priest its a sin as is sex generally.

    Frankly this country is still 1 step from being christian Iran and I'm surprised pastor brown and stasi Smith havent pushed us over that step yet along with "morons against porn" - "women don't like hard sex, they only like fluffy soft love making" <- My wife burst into peals of laughter reading that quote from them...and then said "so clearly I'm not a real woman since I actually prefer hard sex to that soft romantic crap"

    Is El Reg looking for a buyout by MSM? or have senior management decided on a realignment of views towards the "religious mainstream"?

    to reiterate...crap article full of kneejerk opining

  26. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    @moe doesn't exist in 3d, anyway.

    amen to that. Nanoha-chan~~~~~~

  27. Charles King
    Thumb Down

    Keith Vaz

    The fact that the sorry excuse for an MP Keith Vaz has jumped on the predictable outrage-train almost makes me want to condone selling this. Almost, but not quite. Despite the low regard in which I hold Keith Vaz and all his opportunistic bullshit I have to admit that this sort of stuff needs sanction.

    Frankly, my only reason for submitting this comment is that I saw Keith Vaz's name in the article. Sorry, but I can't help myself expressing how much I despise his complete disregard for fundamental principles. He represents the very worst that New Labour (or any party) has to offer.

    Ok, it's late and I'm rambling, feel free to moderate this out.

  28. Graham Marsden
    Thumb Down

    @Of course

    Yes, we should certainly ban this game and draw a "line in the sand".

    Whilst we're at it, let's ban books that advocate:

    1) Stoning your children to death for being unruly.

    2) Cut off the noses and ears and ears of promiscuous women, then burning them in fire and taking their children and stripping them naked.

    3) Forcing a victim of rape to marry the man who raped her.

    4) Killing a prostitute if you get her pregnant.

    5) Killing every man, woman and child in a community if they don't believe what you do.

    6) The cutting off of a woman's hands for touching her husband's genitals when trying to protect him from an attacker.

    7) Offering your virgin daughters to a mob to stop them killing your guests

    8) Being willing to murder your son because someone tells you to do it.

    9) Having children torn to death by bears for laughing at a man's bald head.

    10) Producing offspring with your widowed sister-in-law (and then being killed for refusing)

    Guess which Book these all come from...

    How can such things be allowed in print?

    Surely we must draw a Line in the Sand against such things!

  29. Alan W. Rateliff, II
    Paris Hilton

    This is what happens without BOFH

    Yup. Too long since a good BOFH story, blokes get bored. Idle hands, and all.

    Paris, idling.

  30. John Bishop

    What a topic for valentines day!

    Any comments from women what they think about this? Or just blokes saying things like 'Rape is wrong yes'

    John

  31. Richard
    Joke

    @Graham Marsden

    "9) Having children torn to death by bears for laughing at a man's bald head."

    What's wrong with that? Cheeky little sods!

  32. Anonymous Coward
    Coat

    Vaz

    It's actually quite sad- many years ago Keith Vaz had his bones replaced, Wolverine style, with a highly powerful bandwagon-seeking magnet- the poor guy can't help it.

    Now looking forward to a week of lip-licking moral outrage from the British press, complete with web links to high res screenshots in the Sun, just so readers can see what might not have shocked them had they not reported on it in graphic detail.

  33. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    first

    first they criminalise your acted extreme porn

    next they criminalise your virtual extreme porn

    then they criminalise the lolicon and the tenticals.

    Then they criminalise your hardcores,

    then they just outright ban porn.

    Then what do they do when their gestapo measures have had no effect?

    Ban sexy clothing for woman? Doubtful as woman seem to have rights to do as they like where as men obviously can't wank to things that people don't like to publicly talk about. "Oh a rape fantasy how horrid, never had one of those!"

    Pehaps remove mens penis? All babies will be made in test tubes.

    meh it's all crap, pronz doesn't make people crazy, people make people crazy.

  34. skeptical i
    Unhappy

    Obviously this stuff sells ... and what does THAT mean?

    I''m guessing that Illusion would not create this game unless there was a market for it and I'm still not sure what to do with this information: there are people willing to pay real cash money for the chance to rape schoolgirls in a videogame. Not relive- my- 14-year-old- consensual- fumblings- with- a- 13-year-old- cheerleader games, but rape. Not blowing the other guy up (before he kills me) as an act of war to save the Kingdom (or whatever the "plot" is), but raping a schoolgirl for no discernible good reason. Not barrelling my supercar down a sidewalk to escape/ evade "them" and accidentally mowing down a bystanding grandma as collateral damage, but taking time to engage in the deliberate act of dragging down a schoolgirl and raping her. The problem seems larger than this one particular game, no?

  35. Anonymous Coward
    Alien

    Rape and Murder

    People often ask why rape is considered worse than murder. I have a theory about this. Most of us, I think have at some time wanted to kill somebody. We probably never seriously considered doing it, but I think it's safe to say that nearly everyone has at least wished someone dead. Likewise we know what rage feels like. Most of us have probably even struck another person in anger at some point.

    So, in a way, it's not that hard to identify with a murderer. They seem human at least. But most of us -- I hope -- have never wanted to rape anyone. So we can't understand anyone who would. They're monstrous, alien and presumably evil.

    That may also explain why games where you kill people are very popular while games where you rape people are not. For me personally, that latter just doesn't hold any appeal. But I'm not prepared to brand anyone who might enjoy pretend rape a monster. As long as they keep it strictly fantasy I figure it's none of my business.

    And even though I wouldn't miss rape games if they were outlawed, I can't think of any compelling reason why someone who does en enjoy them shouldn't be allowed to. Besides, something I like could be next.

  36. Stewart Haywood
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    @Played it by AC

    Use your left hand, it frees up your right hand for the mouse and also makes it feel like someone else is doing it. How can you not know that, your not a Banker are you?

    That's what a left hand looks like.

  37. Toastan Buttar
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    Why marked NSFW ???

    There's nothing explicit in the article !

    > Amazon has blocked sales of a [b]sick[/b] Japanese PC game

    C'mon El Reg, you're above such Daily Wail nonsense. Remove the 's' word and we might get closer to some proper journalism.

  38. Toastan Buttar
    Dead Vulture

    life takers register

    > so why do we have a "sex offenders register" and no "life takers register"?

    Bloody good point, my man ! Your ideas are intriguing to me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter. Surely the taking of life is [b]the[/b] #1 crime ?

    And while we're at it, how about a "mental thugs register" and "psychotic neighbours from hell register", too ?

  39. Matthew Jessop
    Stop

    Can see this being used

    in court as a grand theft auto style defense.

  40. Tony Paulazzo
    Alien

    Not sure

    of the reality of this statement - no facts or figures to back them up... But doesn't Japan have like a really low rape / violent offence - er, history, like the lowest in the civilised world. Maybe, by allowing weirdoes and sickoes (no offense to the w&s brigade), to indulge in their fantasies in a safe virtual environment it lessens their need to to do it in the real actual world.

    Just a thought.

  41. Mike Richards

    Vazoline

    Keith Vaz is one of the most unbearably pompous people in that Thamesside gothic monstrosity full of unbearably pompous people. He's never short of something to say about a subject of which he knows nothing. Only this week he leaked a private conversation with Boris Johnson and denounced a movie which he admitted he hadn't see; so getting some publicity on the back of a game which he won't have played is just par for the course.

  42. ismi nomatter
    Unhappy

    very strange..

    And yet, Amazon will sell games where murder and violence are the only activity.

    So, either they are completely devoid of conscience, or this is a Politically-correct type of action.

    In that case, it is a good place to ask why is men murdering men considered OK in our society.

  43. Stuart Gepp

    @AC 20:59

    "Labour MP Keith Vaz has no idea how the Amazon marketplace works"

    The last five words are unnecessary.

  44. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Re: sounds like austin wants a job with aunty beeb

    Huh? I thought the article was on the libertarian side of neutral...

    As others have said, I just don't get why simulating some crimes is deemed OK and simulating other crimes is not.

    I'd actually go one step further and say that possessing any image/video should not be a crime because it in itself is not harming anyone.

  45. Miles Bader
    Paris Hilton

    the LORD

    Good point Graham

    Perhaps a rape-simulator game would be ok if the protagonist was Jesus.

    He couldn't waste his seed though, so I supposed there'd have to be a little cup or something.

  46. Anonymous Coward
    Stop

    Ever heard of the Streisand Effect?

    I am sure many more copies will now be sold/downloaded than otherwise...

  47. Geoffrey W Silver badge
    Black Helicopters

    @Pete "oranges" B

    <QUOTE>

    ...how in the heck does some British politician named Vaz and the entire British Parliament get involved again?

    </QUOTE>

    I believe how it goes is like this. Some press man gets a good contentious story. He looks through his little black book of rent-a-quotes for someone to call. Ah, Keith Vaz. Dial. Ring Ring. He relates the story and asks for an opinion and doesn't he think something should be done? "Oh absolutely. Truly disgusting." Click. Cue/Queue/Whatever outrage. Moves onto next scandalous story. Whether anything actually does get done is another matter. Its possible the press man never even spoke to Vaz at all, merely an underling.

  48. Anonymous Coward
    Paris Hilton

    Another version of the story

    RapeLay was doing badly in Japan because, well, it was crap. Forget the storyline, the graphics and gameplay and everything else was shite. So the writers arranged for some copies to go on Amazon in the uk, let word slip out and the Japanese press is now loving the controversy and sales are on the up.

    Keith Vaz, the best thing that ever happenned to poorly drawn porn.

  49. Steve Roper
    Alert

    @ Chris C

    Question: "Why are we psychologically opposed to rape but not to murder, especially in a society which largely considers casual sex an acceptable act (thereby eliminating the "sex is sacred" defense)?"

    Answer: FEMINISM.

    <runs away before a Moderatrix smacks me over the head with a modstick>

  50. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Re: Rape and Murder

    >> People often ask why rape is considered worse than murder. I have a theory about this. Most of us, I think have at some time wanted to kill somebody. We probably never seriously considered doing it, but I think it's safe to say that nearly everyone has at least wished someone dead. Likewise we know what rage feels like. Most of us have probably even struck another person in anger at some point.

    >> So, in a way, it's not that hard to identify with a murderer. They seem human at least. But most of us -- I hope -- have never wanted to rape anyone. So we can't understand anyone who would. They're monstrous, alien and presumably evil.

    My theory is that it is possibly other way around - we all know that murder is terrible, it is 100% instinctive. The awfulness of rape isn't 100% instinctive, people (men at least) need to be taught that it is wrong. Rape is taboo and wrong, whereas murder is just wrong (albeit more wrong than rape).

    We (as a society) can, for the most part, countenance somebody pretending to do something which is wrong. But, for whatever reason, somebody pretending to do something taboo (even consensual sex, let alone rape) is abhorrent and demands the full force of the tabloid press to stamp it out.

  51. JonP

    @Charles King

    Absolutely.

  52. David Wilkinson
    Unhappy

    just the way it works

    Fake murder video game = good clean fun.

    Fake rape video game = evil

    Not sure how to explain that one rationally.

    I know if I discovered a friend was into games like that ... they'd quickly cease to become a friend.

    Maybe its because rape an molestation happen far more often in real life than senseless murder?

  53. Goat Jam
    Paris Hilton

    I've always wondered

    Why "rape" (ie a few minutes of having sex with someone against their will) is considered to be a crime far more heinous than murder (ie taking someones life away permanently)

    So, it's OK to have games depicting the violent, bloody, senseless murders of countless strangers but if you add to that simulated sex with a fake cartoon character in a fictional rape scenario and every one is all OMG, THE HORROR, THE HORROR.

    Now, I'm not for one minute condoning rape, but bugger me if that isn't a case of screwed up priorities.

  54. Anonymous Coward
    Thumb Up

    PNFHR

    That's a bloody brilliant idea, forget all the sex offenders stuff, we need a Psychotic Neighbour from Hell Register. I hate it when you move in to a nice place only to have the neighbours kill your cat, then call animal protection on you when you have a sick dog...

  55. Anonymous Coward
    Joke

    @Did I wander into some weird parallel universe again?

    Well, if you recall, those are the same people who thought "cake" was some kind of new experimental drug and also brought up in parliament.

    http://www.parliament.the-stationery-office.co.uk/pa/cm199596/cmhansrd/vo960723/text/60723w10.htm#60723w10.html_wqn10

    Of course, as we all know, the cake is a lie:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brass_Eye#Original_1997_series

  56. Anonymous Coward
    Thumb Down

    Vaz

    Remind me why he had to resign as a minister last time? Oh yes, snout in the trough like the rest of the whiter than fucking white Bliars.....

    Game should be banned, just fucking hate Vaz even more!!!

  57. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    @Japanese crime rate

    That's my understanding too. Very little censorship, very little crime. Interestingly the big blip on both is clearly related. The one thing censored in Japan is pubic hair and the one crime considered uniquely Japanese is sticking a camera up some poor woman's skirt in a public place. Coincidence?

  58. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    What is wrong with your ethics body?!?!?

    "A spokesman for Illusion told The Telegraph, "We believe there is no problem with the software, which has cleared the domestic ratings of an ethics watchdog body." "

    Surely this highlights a problem with your ethics body.

    Shocking and appauling

  59. Michael Dunn
    Happy

    Games and simulations

    I have to confess:

    My gaming is confined to Freecell - it's the only one I can really manage, though I have occasionally had a go at ShisenSho.

    I once managed a whole game of Freecell without having to put a single card in the reserve - is this a record?

  60. Steve Swann
    Black Helicopters

    State Sponsored Activities vs The Private Activity

    In answer to those of you who have pondered the lack of a 'Killers Register' to go alongside the Sex-Offenders Register, or have questioned why a 'murder simulator' (ie. an FPS) is acceptable when a 'rape simulator' is not:

    Simply put, war is not murder - or, at least, that is what governments would have you believe.

    When the state sanctions an activity, it is then permissible to carry out that activity. the US, for example, had no issue whatsoever with the use of 'Shock & Awe' in Iraq, Agent Orange and Napalm in Vietnam, or the use of Nuclear weapons on Japan at the end of WW2. Games depiciting the use of such weapons are common-place and no one in 'the establishment' bats an eyelid over them.

    In all of these games the common theme is often that your character is one authorised to take action on behalf of the ruling body. That means you can do what you like with impunity (Does this remind anyone of the absolutions given to crusaders *before* they murdered whole cities of people?) - Indeed, this theme extends beyond computer games and right into mainstream films and media (24: Jack Baeur? Tortures someone every coupla hours and ignores the law to 'get a result' constantly - thats fine, he's a good guy - defined as working for the government!?)

    Now, consider the furore over the 'Manhunt', 'Bully' and 'GTA' game titles. Herein, the protagonists that you play and encounter in the game are *not* state-authorised persons - they are 'outside of sanction' and not under 'official' control.

    It's the same thing as the current ridiculous debate about drug classifications in the UK. Hundreds may die each year as a result of Class A drug abuse, its true, but THOUSANDS die from alcohol and nicotine abuse, ignoring the effects that such have on the functionality of society! Why the difference in treatment? Because one is state-sponsored and the other is not.

    How about we compare badger-baiting, hare-coarsing and fox-hunting? The first two are clearly illegal, the third is 'under debate' and is a 'tradition'. Why? Well, take a look at the people who are in the 'countryside alliance' and like to kill foxes and who they are! The same people who want to ban your games, thats who!

    This is about social division and political control - it's part of the model that governments since Thatcher have been actively pursuing. Don't be blind-sided by the smaller issue of one game. Look at the bigger issue and the patterns that emerge.

    (hm. I may have rambled a bit there... I'll clear up any questions anyone has....)

    BH, because its largely plausible.

  61. Adam Foxton
    Flame

    Difference between Rape and Murder

    How about:

    Murder is over straight away. Otherwise it's not murder.

    Some murderers torture people, but that's generally seen as a wholly separate topic and considered pretty awful in itself.

    The effects of rape last a lifetime- some because they can't forget it, some because they're not allowed to forget it (hey, we've got counsellors to keep in a job!).

    So just as taking pleasure as you peel the face off your target scooping out their eyeballs with a rusty spoon while they're still alive- is considered far worse than being shot in the head with an Hellfire missile, rape is considered worse than murder.

    Also, I can't think of any reason you'd want to rape someone. Whereas there are a number of reasons to want to murder someone- get them off your back, get them out of your life, they've threatened you, etc. So as someone said above, you can't relate to the rapist- whereas you can relate to- and in some cases commend- the murderer.

  62. Anonymous Coward
    Unhappy

    @John Bishop - female pov

    As Adam Foxton said, it's more accurate to equate rape with torture than with murder. Typically rapists get off on the violence not the sex, and try to ensure that the victim suffers the maximum pain, fear, helplessness and humiliation. I'd rather be shot in the head (it's over quicker).

    But personally, I'll play games where I shoot zombies, aliens or critters , but not people. The idea of a rape game makes me feel sick.

  63. Anonymous Coward
    Stop

    @AC 15th February 2009 22:17

    "The awfulness of rape isn't 100% instinctive, people (men at least) need to be taught that it is wrong."

    That statement says more about the way you think than you realise, unless it is a troll attempt.

    It may not be instinctive to you (if you are male), in which case you need therapy mate, or you may not believe it to be instinctive based on the men you have known (if you are female), in which case I feel sorry for your bad experiences. However, your statement above is both ridiculous and self evidently not true.

    That said, your point about needing the full force of the tabloid press is an astute observation on the way things are these days! Excellent remark, and right on the button about where we sadly seem to be heading.

    Shame the politicos seem to be unable to tell fantasy from reality, and on that basis assume the rest of us can't, and have to be "protected" from it. (isn't it a sign of mental illness when someone can;t tell fantasy from reality?) I wouldn't want to play the game, I find the idea repulsive, however, I have this controversial solution - I won't buy it. There - no legislation needed at all. Every time something gets banned, it moves a step nearer banning you from doing something YOU want to do.

    Minors shouldn't see it and there are already laws for that - enforce them before we go off on yet another nu labia legislation-o-thon.

    That is all.

  64. W

    @ Steve Swann & @ Adam Foxton

    Incisive points, clearly explained, with good examples. Cheers.

  65. The Fuzzy Wotnot
    Thumb Up

    @Sooty

    EXACTLY! Like I always say when the Daily Mail crowd get up in arms over some affront to their mindless middle-England sensibilities, "No such thing as bad publicity.". Just shut up about it! Being the vicarious and slimy race we are, making a fuss only makes more people interested in something they would otherwise never have heard of!

  66. Ted Treen
    Black Helicopters

    @AC 20:59 13th February 2009

    " Labour MP Keith Vaz has no idea how the Amazon marketplace works."

    Too much information old son.

    Just say "" Labour MP Keith Vaz has no idea."

    See? More succinct yet (even more) accurate.

  67. Sandmich
    Joke

    No SA fans?

    Something Awful sent this game up back in 2007:

    "Another one of the fun features in RapeLay is that you can really let your creative run wild and invite three of your best creepy friends to assist you in you rape. No, I'm not talking Internet multiplayer, it's more of a rape hot seat where three other dudes crowd around your victim and you create some weird geometric rape-prism. Like the cover of that Pink Floyd album, only with rapes."

    http://www.somethingawful.com/d/hentai-game-reviews/rapelay.php

  68. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    It's not real

    I suppose it's better if people act out their sick fantasies in real life instead of a video "game".

  69. Lionel Baden

    @whats worse

    I am not going to say the following is correct but herre is a viewpoint

    The reasdon Rape is seen as worse than killing are the reasons behind it.

    Killing is normally gloriefied e.g. Die for you country, kill for your country

    Rape on the other hand is Purely selfish act, i can be only done for oneseflf with total disregard for somebody else.

    On top of that Rape is the Subdigatoin of another Forcing what you want.

    also do we know how dead people feel,

    Relieved imo

    So yes from our perspective rape is worse

    A dead person, it may well be death

  70. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    still it amazes

    Still it amazes me the consistancy of the stupidity of so many people. It's make believe, it isn't real, doesn't even look real, doesn't sound real (unless you've banged a girl that sounds like a pressure cooker when she squirts),.

    I mean god damn. You and your missus can have a simulated rape event (as long as noone watches I guess - in which case good luck proving to the cops you weren't raping your wife - even if she says you weren't) as on that matter used to have a friend whose missus would send him a text - the text would say "rape?" he would reply with "sure" and that night he'd dutifully get into the house and rape the crap out of her and they loved it.

    This is no more or less terrible (well the game is pretty terrible but that aside) some people occasionally get off on the idea of mean, violent, rough, immoral sex acts. The difference is someone beating off over a comic/book/game/image in their head has their fantasies well in hand.

    Where as someone who pretends that they don't want to do filthy s--- goes out and rapes their friend.

    Go figure. I learnt there's a big difference between fantasy and reality when I was a kid, one of the main things I learnt, sticks with me till this day. I often wonder how crap everyone elses parents were so that they don't understand this basic concept. Fantasy is healthy people, even sick fantasies are healthy. Learn it, live it, love it.

    Don't agree? If you like sexual repression so much go live in Iran.

  71. Anonymous Coward
    Flame

    I once played a game ...

    where you stole cars, ran people over, killed the police, used hookers, made money from crime and were let out of jail after paying "bribes" and handing over your weapons.

    So what's the problem with this one?

  72. Andrew Thomas

    The answer to your question

    Goat Jam said: "Why "rape" (ie a few minutes of having sex with someone against their will) is considered to be a crime far more heinous than murder (ie taking someones life away permanently) So, it's OK to have games depicting the violent, bloody, senseless murders of countless strangers. Now, I'm not for one minute condoning rape, but bugger me if that isn't a case of screwed up priorities."

    The simple answer is that - ignoring what some people are saying on this forum - murder is a worse crime than rape (fairly obviously), and is treated as a more serious crime by the justice system.

    Problem answered! Simple.

  73. Graham Marsden
    Jobs Horns

    @Richard

    > Cheeky little sods!

    Hit a nerve did I, baldy?

    ;-)

  74. Scott

    The Onion, anyone?

    Funny this came up now. This story from the Onion is related:

    http://www.theonion.com/content/news/japan_pledges_to_halt_production

  75. Michael Dunn
    Coat

    Government sponsored

    Steve Swann wrote:

    "It's the same thing as the current ridiculous debate about drug classifications in the UK. Hundreds may die each year as a result of Class A drug abuse, its true, but THOUSANDS die from alcohol and nicotine abuse, ignoring the effects that such have on the functionality of society! Why the difference in treatment? Because one is state-sponsored and the other is not."

    Presumably you equate "state sponsored" with "tax-generating"? Any government that banned tobacco would soon find itself unable to pay its law enforcement organisations - or its politicians' pensions!

    I've got bootleg cigarettes in the pocket - ofcourse I'm not stupid enough to smoke them myself, but they're a nice little earner.

  76. Anonymous Coward
    Unhappy

    Re: sounds like austin wants a job with aunty beeb

    why did i read this as autism wants a job?

    What we have here is a failure to communicate....

  77. Anonymous Coward
    Flame

    So...

    You walk into your teenage son's bedroom, expecting to find him either:

    A) Masturbating

    B) Playing World Of Warcraft

    C) Listening to really crap music

    D) All of the above

    and instead you find him beating off as he 'rapes' a mother and her two daughters on screen.

    Now what do you do?

    From reading the comments on this board, it seems most of you would join in with him.

    It strikes me that half of the guys on this board are fucking virgins. There's surely no way they can be parents. Because if they were, they would realise that, yes, while it's censorship blah blah fucking blah, SOME THINGS ARE JUST PLAIN SICK AND SHOULD BE BANNED.

    And if you can't see that, you're as sick as sicko bastards that wrote this filth software.

    What next? Fucking Holocaust Simulator? Toast your own Jew in 32 bit colour?

    Jaysus there are some serious sickos on here. Glad I don't work with you.

  78. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    @So...

    "It strikes me that half of the guys on this board are fucking virgins."

    Fucking virgins? Only in the game.

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