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A 15-year-old Ohio girl was arrested on felony child pornography charges for allegedly sending nude cell phone pictures of herself to classmates. Authorities are considering charging some of the students who received the photos as well. The unnamed student from Licking Valley High School in Newark, Ohio was arrested Friday …

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  1. Matthew
    Coat

    riiiight

    so she offended herself? well maybe she could also sue herself to make a bit of $$

  2. kain preacher Silver badge

    Coming to a country near you

    Complete stupidity, nanny state , inability for people in power to think .

  3. Gene Cash Silver badge
    Unhappy

    What criminal tools?

    > Charges include ... possession of criminal tools

    WTF are the "criminal tools"? A cellphone? My country is such a bunch of fucktards. I'm so embarrassed by it, I say "aboot" and "eh?" a lot and tell people I'm Canadian.

  4. Henry Wertz Gold badge

    ... That's a shame.

    ...That's a shame (think of this Seinfeld-style.)

    Yes, these rules are rather broken in some of the US. People have also gotten the whole "sexual offender" label slapped on here for public urination in a few cases.. someone's too drunk and pissing on a bush or whatever, instead of getting public urination and public drunkeness (some fines and probably a night in the drunk tank..) they get this. Then they get caught up in the other laws set up for actual perverts, so they can't live in a lot of areas, etc.

    Hopefully they'll be more reasonable on this, I mean, they've certainly had the scare put into them, I'm sure they're not going to send each other any more nudie pics.

  5. Rob McDougall
    Joke

    umm...

    "Licking" county? Are you kidding me?

  6. alain williams Silver badge

    Prosecute those who received the pics ?

    So you get a text, possibly unwanted, and get prosecuted ? Maybe she should have sent on to GW Bush and it would have been interesting to see if they nab Dubya.

  7. Mike

    Licking prosecutors suck

    I don't see how someone can be too young to consent to sexual behavior (e.g. being photographed nude) but old enough that their actions can have such long term criminal consequences.

    If you can try them as adults, then they should implicitly have the right or ability to consent.

    If they don't have the ability to consent, convict them as juveniles, and seal the court records and let them the criminals go free when they're 18.

    Or even better yet, the prosecutors should go about trying to reduce violent crime.

  8. pondscum
    Coat

    That can't be the school's name...

    "Licking Valley", sounds like a porn training school, so you would expect this to happen.

    Mine's the 'flashing' mac with the stains...

  9. Anonymous Coward
    Black Helicopters

    shhhh dont tel Gordon

    No doubt Zanu Labour will have it in place by next week. Probably linked up to their new super database, CCTV, new speed cameras etc etc... You have been warned.

  10. Gav
    Coat

    Licking Valley?

    What did they expect!

    Oh, and I think I should be up on charges for sexually abusing a 15 year old boy. That 15 year old being myself of course 15 years ago.

  11. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    If I Didn't Laugh, I'd Cry

    <insert profanities here>

    OK, now that I've vented ... if this isn't the most ridiculous misuse of a legal statute then it must be awfully close. What's next? A 15-year old looks in a bathroom mirror at his or her naked self and is booked for putting in a pornographic display involving a child?

    I have travelled to and within the US in the past, but with this, the Patriot Act and related matters, I think I will resolve never to go there again. (Apologies to the minority - intelligent and reasonable people - who are stuck there).

  12. jeff
    Paris Hilton

    Where?

    "Licking County"? Really? -- snicker --

    PH because... well...

  13. Chris Shewchuk
    Paris Hilton

    Licking Valley, eh?

    Egads, teenagers engaging in elicit activities? I'm shocked and appalled. I used to think that prosecuting those responsible for meth labs or domestic violence was important, but now that this has been brought to light... well, good on 'em for taking up this fight.

    Also, am I the only one sniggering at the name "Licking Valley" in the context of the article?

  14. Neil Greatorex
    Thumb Down

    Conkers

    It all starts with the bloody PC Brigade stopping children playing conkers.

    See where it ends up.

    What utter, utter stupidity.

  15. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Next thing you know...

    They will convict my parents of taking (I'm talking about 55 years ago) pictures me while in my crib. I seem to recall that there is one where the slat (placed too far apart for todays standards!) is strategically placed in the photograph (chemical based, not digital). They even got it processed with no complaints. I doubt that it would always go through in today's environment!

    p.s. I was about 1.5 years old at the time.

  16. Michael

    It's just a short step now

    to charging any wanker under the age of consent with rape.

  17. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    @AC re: If I Didn't Laugh, I'd Cry

    Feel free to stay (presumably) in the country where - everywhere - (not just in some little asshole jurisdiction) ANYONE can be charged and jailed for having the wrong kind of porn, you can be jailed for writing a naughty short story, and you'll be videotaped and have your car tracked even if you avoid all of the above.

    I'll take this. At least this (incredibly stupid) crap tends to get weeded out when it gets to the supreme court, since we put that whole 'constitution' thing in. You might want to give it a try.

  18. kain preacher Silver badge

    Its just occurred to me

    If kids in that county ever play doctor they will be locked up for life .

  19. Lupus

    @ Chris

    Snickering, yes. Personally I chortled heartily.

  20. Adam Williamson
    Thumb Down

    genecash

    "and tell people I'm Canadian."

    It's no better up here. Entirely fictional under-age porn is illegal in Canada. You can be (and people have been) prosecuted for possessing a cartoon depicting (arguably - not the least absurd point of the legislation in question is determining the age of a completely fictional entity) under-age sex. Yep, a cartoon. No real people involved at any point.

    Let's face it, most of 'the western world' is entirely insane when it comes to anything related to private parts.

  21. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Licking Valley?

    Are we bein Punk'd?

  22. Anonymous Coward
    Coat

    rant & rave

    OK, this is just out of control and after a serious intraspective, I'm moving out of Ohio to Alabama or Mississippi, where the people seem to have a little more common sense.

    I've been to Licking County, and given the humorous nature of this article, it's not nearly as exciting there as ones imagination might, well, might imagine.

    That leads me to the next issue to ponder, however I feel like I should invoke the 5th amendment, as I wasn't even born when all of the following events were set in motion. There is a little town in the northwest corner of Ohio called Findlay (it's actually pronounced fin-lee), which happens to be in Hancock county. To add insult to injury, the local high-school's mascots are "The Trojans", and the local college's mascot is an "Oiler".

    When viewed completely out of context, and given peoples pervicidal (c) tendancies, this community, all if its citizens and two learning institutions are a recepie for disaster, (metaphorically, fucked) in a court of law.

    Once again, while pondering this entire sad event (sad, because until recently, I was reasonably content living in Ohio), it caused me to think of a way to capitolize on the sheer lunacy that has invaded the US legal system.

    Fact: I am semi-management.

    Fact: I am in charge of my department

    Fact: I am the only employee in my department

    Fact: I am responsible for writing my own job performance reviews

    Fact: I am my own supervisor, as my actual supervisor is almost 200 miles away and may see 2 or 3 times a year...

    Hypothetical: If I use the restroom during working hours, can I sue myself and the company for sexual harassment and inappropriate contact? Suing myself is a lost cause as I really don't have a pot to piss in, so to speak, but the company has really deep pockets.

    So, in theory, I could retire with millions in compensation, after doing 3-5 years in prison.

    Mine is the one with "lighten up" on the back

  23. Anonymous Coward
    Paris Hilton

    Now all we need...

    ...is for some 16 year olds to text indecent pictures of themselves to all the lawyers. Guilty of receiving an image - like you had a choice?!

  24. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    On a stick

    I suppose at this day and date it would be unacceptible to put the heads of the government officials involved in this on a stick and parade them through town?

    Next thing you know, they'll be charging every 14 year old that masterbates with child molestation, and woe to any parent that catches them!

  25. Chris O'Dewd

    No, seriously?

    You have to be kidding. A 16-yo girl sent nude pics to here fellow Licking Valley students. My Leisure Suit Larry sense is tingling like crazy.

    On other news, "man convicted for attempted first degree murder after suicide failure". Coming to you courtesy of Big Brother. Here is your receipt for your husband, and here is my receipt, for your receipt.

  26. Pierre Silver badge

    Baby pics?

    "parents jailed for Facebook baby pornography"

    "Michelangelo winged underage nude pics censored"

    "12-yo babysitter jailed for bathing a nude 2-yo"

    "6 grader jailed for carving sexually explicit representations of his female teacher on his table -teacher under investigation"

    "teenager caught masturbating jailed for underage sex"

    Print this post, and stick it on your fridge. You'll be less flabbergasted when you'll actually read these headlines in the Daily Mail (or when you'll watch them on Fox News).

  27. Matt Bradley

    Ridiculous religious prudery.

    Does anybody else hear a the faint echoes of people with pitchforks shouting "She's a witch, BURN her!"

    Stupid.

  28. Anonymous Coward
    Alert

    @Chris O'Dewd

    Those attempting suicide would get the electric chair for attempted 1st degree murder...

  29. Zmodem

    good ol days

    theres always 1 square

  30. dreadful scathe
    Black Helicopters

    porn?

    silly law aside - theres another thing at stake here ... ownership of your own image !

    its surely up to her if she wants to take pics of herself , though there may be some sort of "harrassment" case if the recipients of this picture complain, but thats about it.

  31. Alan Fisher

    hahahah

    Licking Valley..hahahahahha it couldn't be made up could it?

    I find the name of the area offensive, can I sue them for pornography by implication???

    This is so stupid and PC gone exceptionally mad, whatever next? Please, please, any Americans on here, do not vote the Republicans back in!!

  32. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Re: What criminal tools? @Gene Cash

    Maybe her bulgarian airbags were of such a considerable size as to consider them lethal.

    On a more serious note...

    ...once again the whole world laughs loudly at America.

  33. Joe Cooper
    Jobs Horns

    Err, wait a second

    So what they're saying is I can put anyone I want in jail just by sending them a naughty email...?

    Mwahhahahahahah

  34. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Window Lickers

    Just another story that convincves me more that it's just a nation of window lickers...these kids are teenagers, this sort of thing is what teenagers do, esepcially when they have been told not to! So now the punishment for the rest of this girls life is to be on a sex offenders register, who did she violate in this case when she was sending pictures of HERSELF....no really they are a nation of window lickers!

  35. Anonymous Coward
    Coat

    Hmm, I smell a business opportunity

    I'll go dance nekkid in front of as many of those cctv cameras I can find, then sue the owner for producing and storing pornography. Oh, and follow them Google StreetView cars around.

    Mine's the one with the A-Z in the pocket

  36. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Freedom of expression

    I'm disgusted. Every kid goes through a phase of show me yourr and I'll show you mine.... What's so wrong?

    And surely as the pics are of herself, taken by herself, there's an overriding staute allowingt his as freedom of expression.....

    US INjustice strikes again

  37. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    What's next?

    Why not make mirrors illegal? You can see your self in them!?!

  38. Darren Starr

    Torn

    As a "responsible" adult who fears the government I damn this girl for her evil evil ways! (Christian enough?)

    As a former teenaged guy, I'm a little pissed off only yuppies had cell phones back in those days and there certainly was no MMS.

  39. Anonymous Coward
    Paris Hilton

    16 Year old nudie pics?

    giggity giggity giggity goo, awwriiight.....

  40. Calum Morrison

    I couldn't decide...

    Which was better - Licking Valley or Licking County. My Viz-sense was prickling and the FnarrFnarr-ometer went off the scale!

  41. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Only in America

    I guess she'd have been let off if she was waving a gun about at the same time.

  42. Jimmy Floyd
    Joke

    In other news...

    Children are to be blindfolded whilst taking a shower so they don't corrupt themselves with their own nudity.

  43. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    @David Wiernicki

    Sounds like you think I'm in the UK. I'm not. But I've been there plenty of times, too, and have no plans of going there again either, although it's still not as hostile to (legal) visitors as the USA, IMHO.

  44. Jeff Deacon
    Joke

    re: rant & rave

    Whether you get anywhere with your lawsuit depends amongst other things on the law relating to vicarious liability. I don't know about the US, but in the UK the doctrine of Vicarious Liability can be roughly summed up as "The Employer (usually the body corporate) is liable for the sins of the Employee". You would have to dodge the counter argument of Contributory Negligence, but I could see it becoming quite an entertaining case when it gets to court. Especially as the US legal system does seem to have taken leave of its senses!

    Let us all know when you get a court date, and I'm sure we could arrange for a band of supporters to take ringside seats in the public gallery!

  45. Anonymous Scotsman

    inverse twat-o-tron aside

    While it pains me to point this out, allowing wiggle room for recording ero ero activities between fully consenting minors, somewhat removes the justifications for the cudgel of family friendly legislation when a consenting minor and not quite minor get caught doing the same thing.

    If they acknowledged that minor a (as in this case) has some right to be nud' at any point in time for any reason (to extend a bit), there is some twisted logic that could apply it to an imbalanced age relationship, and that would have the think of the children brigade up in arms.

    Almost feel sorry for those poor legislators, who in the interests of representing the will of the vocal majority, have to go to such bizarre lengths.

    almost, but not.

  46. James

    Whereas ...

    ... if it had been entirely ignored it would have been another teenage "prank" that would have been rapidly forgotten. Now the poor girl has to live with this for the rest of her life.

    Perhaps they law enforcement agencies would be better employed rounding up the greedy Bustards that sold sub prime mortgages.....

    @Gene Cash - great comment!

  47. Pascal Monett Silver badge

    Turn the tables

    Get a warrant to search the judges house, find the family album, search for the inevitable baby in the bathtub pic, and lock him up for child pr0n.

    Then ask him what he thinks of his ruling on the girl.

    Personally, if she was dumb enough to take pics of her own body and send them to classmates, it's her problem. She'll learn the hard way (and soon, if what I remember of school is still accurate) that once you send something out in the wild, it never disappears and always comes back to haunt you. At least one of her pics is probably already posted on a web page somewhere.

    Otherwise, I totally agree with Mike on this. If she can get 20 years, then she's old enough to be responsible for her acts. If not, then there's no way she should get more than community service.

  48. Paul Jackson
    Thumb Down

    So.....

    They want to protect a 15 year old from herself by ruining her life for the next 20 yrs (sex offenders register)

    That seems more than a bit backward

  49. Anonymous Coward
    Happy

    The land of the free...

    God bless America!

  50. Daniel Wilkie
    Heart

    @David Wiernicki

    We have a constitution, and effectively a supreme court ;)

    My parents have a picture of me when I was about 3 with my todger sticking over the edge of a bucket, which is CLEARLY child pornography. Who do I report them to?

    It's for our own protection...

  51. James Osborne-Smith

    @David Wiernicki

    "I'll take this. At least this (incredibly stupid) crap tends to get weeded out when it gets to the supreme court, since we put that whole 'constitution' thing in. You might want to give it a try."

    Uh... apart from the fact that over half the supremes are paid for by Dubya so will toe the party line and he's (metaphorically) wiping his a$$ on your constitution.

    I'm not claiming we're much saner over here but you do seem to be leading the field in insane applications of hastily rushed through legislation.

  52. Pete
    Black Helicopters

    Thank you

    I am so happy i'm not the only one laughing/shocked at this, give's me hope that one day we will overtake the idiots of the world and inject common sense back into life.

  53. Anonymous Coward
    Flame

    What I want to know.....

    .... is when nude and pornographic became synonymous?

    I always thought that they were 2 different things!

  54. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Health and Efficiency

    "In 2004, a 16-year-old girl and her 17-year-old boyfriend took pictures of themselves while naked and engaged in unspecified [LEGAL] "sexual behavior." They didn't show the pictures to anyone, but they did send them to the boy's email address."

    My recollection of this case is the boy received a 10 year sentence in prison. They're nutters. This is the way Britain is heading, by making it a crime to view sex videos of simulated acts, even if the act itself was legal and the filming of it was legal. The Jacqui Smith law.

    How is this any different from nudism? A nudist magazine of the 1960's like Health and Efficiency? When did the body become so shocking that nutters like Smith lock people up for pictures of it?

  55. Henny
    Paris Hilton

    Land of the free?

    So, in the country which has the right to bear arms, you can't bare yourself in a private photo if you happen to be a minor else you'll get a 20 year sexual offender status.....

    ...shouldn't they simply be given counselling?

    Paris, well, we all know about her baring things... :)

  56. Anonymous Coward
    Unhappy

    this is scary

    Rediculous and absurd beyond belief. Yet another victimless 'thought crime'.

  57. Ketlan
    Alert

    Jeez

    America's going quietly bonkers.

    No, hang on a minute...

  58. Tom

    HMMMM

    Well this is just crazy, I recently purchased a Photography book and it contained 2/3 photos of underage girls naked in it, question of art but I found it a little distasteful. Anyhow would i get prosecuted for buying this book even before I knew the contents of it? Same as a text, how can someone be prosecuted for receiving something they had no control over.

    It also sounds like this girl needs some therapy rather than a prison sentence. and if some kids of 16/17 want to take pictures of themselves together for their personal pleasure then why not. Its not like some pedophile made them take the pictures.

  59. Edward Rose

    Next...

    .... some UK chap will be done for sex with a bike in a locked room.

    .

    .

    Shit!

    Mike summed it up well. Two-faced tossers.

  60. Mark

    More grist to the NuLab mill

    Somewhere in the bowels of Whitehall, one of Gordo's minions will spot this and wonder why we haven't got it over here. Plenty of fodder here for the Daily Mail tendency to get into a lather over.

    LIcking? Yes, I sniggered too.

  61. Mike

    OH MY GOG!!!

    Completely pathetic. I wonder if theyre allowed to send pictures of guns and violence to each other?

  62. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    (untitled)

    I fully accept that some people need protection from their own actions; but to prosecute the "victim" ? Is it a legal requirement that those in positions of authority not be fully mentally competent ?

  63. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Congratulations

    US Law makers you're fucking retarded.

    However don't for a moment that we Brits will be outdone, we shall find something all the more stupid and retarded to prove that we are indeed more retarded then you! Mark our words you shall not be allowed to be the lowest common denominator in the "developed" world for long!

  64. Wayland Sothcott Bronze badge
    Happy

    Licking Teenagers - could you make this up?

    You have to wonder what the prosecuters are trying to achieve. Are they trying to proove just how stupid the law can be? Or do they actually think they are doing the right thing?

    Just how far wrong can you possibly go with a law written to protect children?

    What's the worst thing that could be happening here? These people are actually trying to hurt people out of some sadistic evil sense of their own importance.

    "Come here little children and tell me all your illegal sexual thoughts so I can blackmail you into giving me sexual favours in return for me dropping the charges. Otherwise you will be taken away to a childrens home in Jersey".

  65. Phil Hare

    @David Wiernicki

    Please site your sources. While you're there, look up the "Magna Carta".

    I will admit that the American War of Indepenence was as a direct result of the then parliament completely ignoring said document, but then Camp X-Ray is a complete ignorance of the U.S Bill of Rights. Quote:

    "No person shall be ... deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law."

    In both cases, the failing is not with the mandate itself but with the people elected to implement it. You are right to have pride in the U.S Constitution, as I am to have pride in the UK's (considerably older) democracy. However, neither you nor I should ever stop questioning when the liberties of both ourselves and others are being eroded by those officials we have elected to enfource and protect our rights, regardless of their motives.

    "Patriotism is the virtue of the vicious" -- Oscar Wilde.

  66. Anonymous Coward
    Coat

    Re: Next...

    its already happened:

    http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=qGrfZ73CL1s

    i have already left!

  67. Inachu
    Paris Hilton

    This is crazy

    Way back in USA when cities were just beginning to be called cities and noboy had plumbing in their city homes there were horse pulled toilet trollies.

    Back then there were not any bathrooms for him or her.

    These trollies you climb into and let business comence sitting next to someone else with no

    privacy shield and people would sit and read the paper be they man or woman.

    Sally hops into the trolly.....

    Oh hi Susan, nice day out today yes? As she lifts her dress to sit next to you.

    Back then modesty and morality was not so hard core as one may think.

  68. Anonymous Coward
    Thumb Down

    glad to hear I don't live there

    This is such a farce, glad that I'm not living there..

    It seems the middle ages and the inquisition never left that country..

  69. Anonymous Coward
    Coat

    Right to Bear Arms

    Could she not just defend herself using the right to bear arms..... and other body parts.

    Mines the one with the plane ticket out of America in the pocket

  70. Anonymous Coward
    Stop

    What next?

    No more boyfriend/girlfriend until you are 18 or you'll get a sexual harassment process?

  71. Anonymous Coward
    Coat

    69 comments about licking valley?

    Watch me ruin the joke with comment #70

  72. Anonymous Coward
    IT Angle

    IT?

    Mobile phone.

    Keep up the good work, might've missed this onw otherwise

  73. Alan Fisher

    Lickey they say

    ok ok, sorry!

    *ahem* I meant like they say.....people are..????

    that's right and quite a few of that kind of person seem to live in this county it would seem, the rest work for the political and legal professions, mostly....the rest of them vote for those folks.....people who have a clue are really the minority so something to be slightly proud of there....doing something though, now there's the hard part...

  74. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    "Somebody save..."

    Once again a perfectly good set of laws and rules to protect at risk victims, being abused by bored, power-mad prats.

    This reminds me of that story a few years ago where a parent took perfectly innocent photos of their 4 year old in the bath, sent them to Boots for processing and next thing Knacker was beating down the door demanding to know where the rest of the child porn was stashed.

    Some people in power need a serious beating with the reality stick, knock some common sense into them. Most kids these days start becoming sexually aware by the time they hit 12, kids these days gather knowledge at a much faster rate than previous generations ever have, sadly they haven't obtained the capacity to digest that knowledge at the same rate, hence they fall foul of laws like these.

  75. Gary
    Paris Hilton

    @ Neil Greatorex

    Everyone knows that banning Conkers in Schools is just another plot the UK government has put in place to save the environment. In 100 years time we will be overrun by Conker trees, they will be every where!

    The air will be cleaner because the trees will be churning out Oxygen like never before! Then we will be able to cut them down and turn them into fuel! Everybodys happy! Except school children of course.

    I mean, how can playing Conkers be dangerous? C'mon it's not is it? Just a stupid excuse.

    PH Cos I'd love her to play with my Conkers.

  76. Scott
    Happy

    Total BS

    I remember being 15 back in 1979 and taking pics of me and my 15 year old girl freind with my parents Poloroid. I wonder what ever happend to those pics....

    I wish the state would get out of the baby sitting business. Plus, how can the accused be charged with abusing herself? I hope she tells the state to F***OFF and mind their own business.

  77. Ted Treen
    Pirate

    @Most of you

    The problem is not a specific UK or US problem. Examples of such crass idiocy can be found everywhere in the legislative world. It's indicative of the general standard of pillock who seeks (and unfortunately gains) authoritative office.

    The "party machine" in pretty well ALL so-called democratic countries suborns most with political ambitions, and parties are such entrenched behemoths that the old cliche "Resistance is futile - you will be assimilated" was never truer.

    We (of a certain age) only have ourselves to blame as we were the ones who fell for and have apparently perpetuated the politically-correct liberal intelligentsia since the 1960's. Believe me, there ain't nobody more fascist & draconian than a "liberal" given power.

    We can't prise their fingers from power - maybe it's time we contemplated breaking their fingers if that's what it needs?

  78. Mark

    Licking Valley

    Come on, this CANNOT be true! I reckon it's a trap. A sting operation. DON'T GO!!!

    However, this does show why mere posession of KP can't be given as proof of deviancy.

  79. Mark
    Paris Hilton

    @David Wilkie

    "My parents have a picture of me when I was about 3 with my todger sticking over the edge of a bucket, which is CLEARLY child pornography. Who do I report them to?"

    You were a lucky boy, then.

    Well PH is interested anyway!

  80. Mark
    Paris Hilton

    "Just how far wrong can you possibly go with a law written to protect children?"

    Actually, I can see this as protecting adults from children.

    What if she'd then tattled to the police a few months later that they'd taken indecent pictures of here? Wouldn't matter if there's proof it wasn't their fault, there'd be some people burning down their house and killing their pets to drive that sick animal far far away from their little girl.

    It's unfortunate that it results in a girl with some serious problems being put in a place where these problems will be blown up into full-on abuse.

  81. Jonathan Ellis
    Unhappy

    What is the point?

    Of course there is a point to the story. It's not the one about the American Police trying to prosecute a 16 year old, it's not about self posed photos are deemed pornography.

    In my opinion this is one where the whole system has let this child down. Read again how this girl is an a foster situation. Now foster situations are usually symptomatic of a bigger problem. Either the child was removed from the parents or the parents were removed from the child. In either case it is no wonder that the child is wanting to be popular, and unfortunately the way that this kid thinks she can become popular is showing her body to others.

    At no-point during this story (and yes I've read a couple of other sources) does it mention that the kid is going to be counciled, going to be shown why it's perhaps unhealthy to show your bits.

  82. peter

    America prudes...idiots to the mac

    Theamericans seem to have the ability to take things to extremes and wonder why we laugh at them. I saw a episode of mythbusters where they were debunmking the myth that you can electrocute yourself by pissing on an electrified rail. The scenes where they we simulating a dummy man taking a piss was pixilated. It was not a penis. It was not a fake penis. It was a plastic pipe......and they blocked it out. Unbelieveable.

    Of course that is no worse than an american TV programme where they blocked out a dog taking a piss against a lamppost. Something you can see every day just by taking a walk, and they had to block it.

    )

    ==)

    )

    Censor that!!

  83. Jimmy

    Teenage bypass.

    Remember when you were a teenager? Remember when mother-nature threw the switch and all those pesky hormones started to rampage around your body making you do stupid things? Well, the people who framed the laws that allow this silly kid to be publicly humiliated have no such memories. They're the ones who pressed the skip-button just when life started to get interesting.

  84. Anomalous Cowherd Silver badge

    Right to bear arms?

    I'm not sure what the bear would think about that.

  85. stim

    typical

    typical yanks - no wonder the world is in such a mess.

  86. RichardB

    @Ellis

    "At no-point during this story (and yes I've read a couple of other sources) does it mention that the kid is going to be counciled, going to be shown why it's perhaps unhealthy to show your bits."

    Why exactly is it unhealthy to show your bits? In many places/cultures its perfectly acceptable. Why are you so uptight about nudity?

  87. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    @Mark

    Don't be stupid, if the pictures were on an adults phone they'd of let the girl free and tried the adult as a peadophile.

    Job done.

  88. Lnz
    Paris Hilton

    I suppose the Judges never heard of the Barber Paradox

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barber_paradox

  89. Mike

    Surprised?

    Not really, this is from a country which considers "don't do it" sufficient sex education.

    Laugh now, because it's the thin end of the wedge, and it won't be funny when it becomes the norm, no matter how ill-concieved what she did was, that poor girl is a victim of the state, and now she'll suffer for it.

  90. JohnG Silver badge

    I'm so glad to live in Germany

    There are times when I get pissed off living here in Germany but I only have to read one of these stories about madness of the authorities in US or UK and I cheer up.

    The funny thing is, teenage pregnancy rates are higher in the USA and UK than in France and Germany, despite (or perhaps, because of) their apparent liberal/immoral attitudes.

  91. Anonymous Coward
    Thumb Down

    Erm, 'ang on a mo...

    I'm a Brit living in the US and I'm struck by a few things:

    1. Brits sniggering at "stupid Yanks" - believe me, the UK is hardly leading by shining example. I could (but won't bother) pointing out absolutely lunatic things happening in the UK that just boggles Americans' minds.

    2. Stupid Yank rules/laws exist, to my mind, because of the concept of "zero tolerance" ie "We're too fucking lazy to think for ourselves, so let's have a one-size-fits-all rule and we'll call it zero-tolerance to show how tough we are on bad behaviour". What happened to that girl is a perfect example.

  92. Anonymous Coward
    Stop

    Way to turn her life around, "Licking Valley"

    The girl is a foster child, and there are some pretty well documented cases of foster children having trouble fitting in. So she was probably just trying to "get popular" - not smart, but not criminal. The only law I think one should consider is indecent exposure - and then let her off witha warning.

    Throw this girl into the court system and you might as well just toss her life away. I don't think the DA cares, though - he'd rather make himself famous for "saving the children!"

    So now I'm responsible for what people send me via SMS? Does that apply to e-mail, too? If that's the case, the large amount of incoming SPAM probably has criminalized the entire US population - at least, in this guy's eyes.

    He should be trounced from office - especially using scare tactics with children. "20 years in prison" - as juveniles? Just how sicko is he? It'd never happen, but you know he probably wishes it could.

  93. herman Silver badge
    Paris Hilton

    Both accused and defendant?

    Wow, she will have to spread wide to stand in both boxes in court...

    ;)

    Badabing! Sorry, bad joke, yes I know...

  94. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Have I got this right?

    They wanted to stop 15 year old kids from doing naughty things, so they had a school meeting of all the kids to say "This is naughty and terrible and you mustn't do it because it's bad!"?

    About something that to a 15 year old doesn't seem bad at all, but is *very* interesting?

    They explained in detail what they mustn't do, in public in front of all their classmates?

    And ONLY ONE of those kids promptly went out and did exactly that?

  95. L1feless
    Paris Hilton

    W---W---WHAT?!?!

    So a girl who is underage takes pictures of her self nude. Sends them to another boy/ girl (her own age) and she is being taken to court for child porn.

    That is what I just read...and if so it is completely ridiculous. It is one thing to have a child seduced by an adult (which is WRONG) but completely different when these kids are of identical age and are sexually active with one another. If they are sexually active, so be it. Lets just hope the sex ed portion of American school system has taught them to use protection. I really don't see the harm in what she or the recipients have done (so long as the recipients are the same age as the sender). That being said it is completely different when those pictures are transferred from say a 15 year old classmate to an 18 yo + individual. That is where the child porn laws need to be enforced.

  96. Wayland Sothcott Bronze badge

    It's not just Yanks and Americans

    Having read the comments I see we get the usual smug people saying stoopid yanks or dumb americans. We have proof that only 50% of Americans are stupid, half of them did not vote for Bush the 2nd time. Possibly if the voting was rigged then even more of them are not stupid.

    This sort of insane jobsworth rule following is happening everywhere. People seem to be embracing the most stupid rules. I am not just talking about them hugging the rules, these people are letting their pelvises touch as well.

    Common sense tells them that this is stupid. All common sense people, ie most people, know this is stupid. However there seem to be a huge number of the wrong type of people in power. They may not have much power but whatever power they have they are determined to use it in the most perverse way.

    It's a global phenomenum. Something makes these people think they are doing the right thing. Or at least they get something out of doing it and think they will get away with it. Which they do seem to.

  97. Kaitlyn Kincaid

    good job guys

    what a great way to help our youth with their body issues. "see that part of you? it's DIRTY! WRONG! if anyone sees it you will GO TO JAIL! you are an evil person for even having one! Don't even look at it and for gods sake DONT TOUCH IT!"

    pah-lease.... want to know what so many young girls have such issues about sex? look no farther then crap like this.

  98. Frumious Bandersnatch Silver badge
    IT Angle

    Moral prudishness

    I'm reminded (probably for no very good reason apart from the "Licking Valley" moniker juxtaposed with overzealous moral prudery) of a story told about Alaister Crowley (self-professed "world's wickedest man" ) about how after his move to Boleskine House overlooking Loch Ness, he had written to the local Vigilance Society complaining that "prostitution is most unpleasantly conspicuous" in the area. The society sent round an observer who found no evidence. Crowley wrote back: "Conspicuous by its absence, you fools!" I'm sure the Good People of Licking Valley would fail to see the humour in that story too.

  99. Jeff
    Stop

    everybody send in photos.

    So is this where I go watch one of those TV shows that have child birth, show babies right after being born, or on some of the smaller cultures that dont wear shirts. then sue the company that made the film for producing child p0rn, sue the channel that aired the show for promoting child p0rn and sue the parents of the child for letting their child be part of a p0rn?

    I have seen a few informational shows that have nearly fully exposed pre-teen, teen, and adult nudity, these being publicly aired.

    Anybody with half a brain, or that had a date as a teenager knows that this is fairly common, it has just become easier to do with technology. In high school I remember several people talking about their sexual acts, and discussing who is and isn't active. So either this nude photo was shown to someone who was offended (trying to be a good child and do what they are told is right) or someone who was careless and either let someone see it or talked about it when in earshot of someone with authority who thought it wrong.

    Teaching only abstinance is very ignorant of the fact that we can't control hormones, and we can't watch the children 24/7. the more you try to control something, the more you realize you dont really have control.

  100. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    @L1feless

    But I'm curious, what is the sudden difference between a 17 year old male and an 18 year old male?

    Just curious, as there is a certain idiocy to the notion. Suddenly you go from curious teen to crazed peado sex monster (which isn't actually the case as technically speaking a peadophile is interested in children who have not reached pubity, as physically speaking animals are wired to want to shag something that can have children making wanting to shag a teenager normal except for the various moral constructs created by various societies.)

    The Anglian world really needs to sort itself the fuck out in terms of sex, body identity, maturity and, sexuality. However they just tend to go arghhhh sex is bad m'kay. Don't do it. If you want sex it means you're going to hell, m'kay? And till you goto hell we'll ruin your life for being a slut m'kay? mmm'kay?

  101. Vladimir Plouzhnikov

    The real sicko

    is the adult who reported the picture in the first place.

  102. Ash
    Joke

    Is it really that easy to ruin someone's life?!

    Hell, someone post Bush's mobile number.

    While you're at it, we'll take Brown's, McCain's, and Palin's email addresses.

  103. Anonymous Coward
    Flame

    Photobox, MySpace, Etc

    So... if they are upset at the camera phones. What about Social Networking and photo sharing websites like Photobox, MySpace, Facbook, etc? These same kinds of photos are published to these websites. And then shared "privately" among friends.

    (Or there was a case earlier this year when Photobox got hacked and all of these supposed "private" photos became available from various hacker's websites.... There were clearly some teenage \ school kid photos in there)

    Which, implies to me, that these sites should also be sued for "aiding and abetting" in the distribution of illegal images.

    I assume they have already sued the manufacturer of the camera phone? And the mobile phone carrier....

    Well, my suggestions are just as stupid as this case. Have they dropped the intellegence tests from the Police and Courts? Really does look like the idiots have taken over the asylum - on BOTH sides of the Pond. UK and USA are now as bad as each other with these stupid responses.

    (Oh - and the "Ban Conkers" story was bogus. Made up by the tabloids. http://www.hse.gov.uk/myth/september.htm Just like the "Winterval" story they drag out each year supposedly "banning Christmas". (Google it for more info...) Idiot\fictional reporting also has a lot to answer for in this day....)

  104. Saucerhead Tharpe
    Coat

    Conkers

    Not only have neither the Gov't NOR Health and Safety banned cokers in a recent conkers competition the Health and Safety guys sent in a team, pointedly not wearing goggles.

    You can't legislate for nutters nor Daily Mail headlines but you guys seem to lap them up as gospel along with EU straight banana lies

  105. WTF

    As an American

    I keep thinking that I can not be any more embarrassed about what my country has become. Then I am.

  106. Anonymous Coward
    Flame

    another case of prosecutorial misconduct

    Got to make a name in an election year; but again, this has nothing to do with justice and just barely anything to do with the law. I won't even get into whether it's actually anyone else's business (delete in off your phone if you don't like it).

    Licking county is in the center of the state and near enough to the appalachian section that it may be (mentally) included there. Remember, Ohio helped to elect dubya, so there are plenty of retarted blue-noses here who think they have a noodly-given right to run every one else's life;

    no matter how incompetent they are with their own.

    here's hoping there is a hell and all these morons go there...the sooner the better

  107. Steen Hive
    Stop

    @L1feless

    "That being said it is completely different when those pictures are transferred from say a 15 year old classmate to an 18 yo + individual. That is where the child porn laws need to be enforced."

    Why's that? the age of sexual consent ,for example, here in Sweden is 15, so here it wouldn't be different at all. Places like the USUK can keep their mock morality, sky-high teenage pregnancy rates and obviously pitiful sex-"education" - which leaves teenagers vulnerable in the first place to unwanted pregnancy and disease. No amount of pitchforking teenage "paedos" will make a proper sexual welfare policy for adolescents and young adults.

  108. Anonymous Coward
    Thumb Down

    Four words

    "Janet Jackson wardrobe malfunction". Look at the total over reaction that event generated. Given that fact I'm surprised they haven't taken all the kids involved in this and shipped them off to gitmo.

  109. Anonymous Coward
    Linux

    Conkers #2

    The conkers thing was tosh - the health and safety ppl in the UK are sponsoring the national conkers competition this year (apparenlty they said on the radio that injuries got through playing conkers were not worth bothering about..) I think it was some school head who one their own decided just thier school kids couldnt play it and the lying waste of print space local paper made out it was some stupid H & S rule.. which thro the media of the inter-rumour got turned into major story which probably only made the Daily Wail more untruth-profits.

  110. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Not old enough to....

    The poor girl can't even claim that she was drunk when it happened, because you're not allowed to drink until your 21 (not 18, 21) in Ohio.

  111. Neil Greatorex
    Paris Hilton

    @ Ted Treen

    Spot on. :-)

    Oh and another thing: Career politicians.

    Career politicians, WTF is going on there then?

    These tossers have done nothing else. School, College, University, politics. Time was when politicians took up politics _after_ a career in industry or the like, and had some idea about life. Bah.

    Paris, because she's a career know nothing, rather like Brown.

  112. Graham Marsden
    Thumb Down

    @Ted Treen

    > Believe me, there ain't nobody more fascist & draconian than a "liberal" given power.

    ORLY?

    Speaking as a liberal (with a small 'l') I can't say I recognise many liberal principles (Civil Liberties, Basic Human Rights, Presumption of Innocence etc) in the control-freak, nanny state legislation that has been brought in by this country and by the USA.

    So, are Blair, Brown and Bush really "closet liberals"...?

  113. Dustin
    Alien

    Blame it on GTA

    For we all know that is why she did it!

  114. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    The Irony

    Too young to consent to taking the photos of herself but old enough to be convicted of taking the photos.

    I suppose there's a simple solution, get the damn kids the moment they are born - nine* times out of ten they're born naked, then you could lock them up for twenty years where they can't get at the paedos^?^?...^?^? - sorry paedos can't get at them.

    * nine or possibly more

  115. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Conkers

    "It all starts with the bloody PC Brigade stopping children playing conkers."

    Do they have conker trees in the USA?

  116. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Sex Offender

    If it was the UK, they'd prosecute the 15 year old and she'd be placed on the sex offender's register for violating herself!

  117. Anonymous Coward
    Stop

    Won't anyone think of the Children!!

    Oh wait, that's not gonna work here either.

    Sigh.

    So, first we got people that can serve the government, but can't drink.

    Then we have ppl who at 18 sleep with their girlfriend a few weeks younger and they're pedo's

    Now people are.. what, sexually assaulting.. themselves? Feck.

    What is my stupid country going to do next? Vote in a stupid retard? Ah wait. Attack a foreign country for no legitimate reason whatsoever? Ooo so close. Detain anyone we please (from whatever country we please, not just people in the US) and torture them? Ack, done that too.

    Hah

  118. Fozzy
    Happy

    Seriously

    Two stories posted together, this one about a 15y.o. and nude piccies and than next to it, a story about the oracle stockholders chocking on the size of larrys package

    It took my brain 10 minutes to reboot itself

  119. RW

    What strikes me about this

    The stupid cops were there to preach "don't do this or you'll get in deep legal trouble" instead of saying "do you really want naked pictures of yourself out in the wild, being forwarded to people you don't know? What are you going to do when they get printed on the front page of the local paper? Once you click send, you have no control over where they go or what's done with them."

    Seems to me that's a better, more effective way of teaching the lesson instead of threatening fire and brimstone and official overreaction.

  120. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Another small step....

    Another step in the process that many/most governments around the world are taking to criminalise 'everything' other than that which is carried out by their mates...sorry, I meant large corporations.

    It is about time that we reminded them that they WORK FOR US

  121. Anonymous Coward
    Flame

    Gagh!

    Read in the newspaper this morning that New York commuters have been complaining about the copulating hot dogs in grafitti-japester Banksy's new show.

    I say we take off and nuke the entire site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.

  122. Sacha TF Padovani
    Paris Hilton

    I'll surely wont' be the first, but

    ...I mean.. Horayyy for Licking Valley High School!!

    Paris, 'cos she surely graduated there

  123. Louis
    Stop

    @ Johnathon Ellis

    "At no-point during this story (and yes I've read a couple of other sources) does it mention that the kid is going to be counciled, going to be shown why it's perhaps unhealthy to show your bits."

    Erm... what? Since when has it become un-fucking-healthy to be in your natural state? The way we are born? You mean because someone else might see them (your bits)? Fuck off back to planet retard along with all the other twats that are slowly but steadily regressing the world to a puritanical fanatics state...

  124. Mike
    Alert

    Self gratification?

    I'm sure the only reason these charges we're brought against these teens is for the self gratification of those upholding the law. I can imagine the prosecution and the judge getting hairy palms after 'studying the evidence'.

    Personlly, I think most sex offenders seem to work in the legal system.

  125. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    @ Steen Hive

    "Places like the USUK can keep their mock morality, sky-high teenage pregnancy rates and obviously pitiful sex-"education" - which leaves teenagers vulnerable in the first place to unwanted pregnancy and disease."

    I don't get out much, but I'm pretty sure this is the first time I've come across a self-explanatory acronym "that does exactly what it says on the tin."* USUK describes the hegemony of moral hypocrites and greedy, warmongering, god-bothering fuckwits who have stamped their hallmark on the world for too long.

    Steen, you have been nominated for a Nobel prize. For my part, I'm off to Scandinavia.

    * UK cultural reference.

  126. chris

    nice

    Stop the planet, I want to get off.

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  128. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    @RotaCyclic

    "Do they have conker trees in the USA?"

    They do and they call them "Horse Chestnuts". We have them north of the border as well.

    Being born in the UK and brought up in the traditions of the Olde Sodde I always had lots of funny looks when I called them conkers.

    Expecting to see a rise in the use of horse chestnuts here soon.

  129. Algis Petraitis
    Stop

    How it looks for European reader

    These authorities went crazy, and nobody stops this nonsence? I hope mind must win at the end. Authorities must pay substantial amount of money to the girl, boy and to their parents to compensate at least partly for ruining their NORMAL lives, breaking personal PRIVACY, wasting lot of personal time, and this money must be regression seeked from those who taken the decisions to disturb the private life of the persons. Nobody forced the girl to send the photos this is the most important, and they were not used for public display or profit but in PRIVATE, PERSONAL communication to the loved one or the friends. If my son or daugter send naked picture to a friend this can be only my family issue (it is the issue of child stupidity because of young age and issue of family education - definitelly talk is needed with parents), but not the authorities at all. According to statistics, the majority of young people start the sexual life in age 14-17. Its legal to be naked for two in the same room, but illegal to send picture via private communication? Nonsense. This even more confirms that strong privacy laws like EU data protection directive is the correct thing. Also, things like that usually happen when there is no serious job. Tax payers shall raise the question that urgent prosecutors headcount reduction is needed in that place where this happened.

  130. elderlybloke
    IT Angle

    My Paid for Porn downloads

    Will the porn available for a monthly fee cause me to be charged or is it exempt as it is a money making affair . All money making affairs are surely legal in America.

  131. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Idiots are running the country! Run, Run like hell!

    Since everyone here seems to understand that this is the most ridiculous misuse of the law then the people in this county enforcing the laws must be complete fucking idiots!!!

  132. chris
    Coat

    Arrest those masturbaters officer

    Likewise

    all teenage boys should be placed on the child abuse register for masturbating and under age child.

    Glad i grew up in time then.....

  133. Be Reasonable
    Heart

    Poorly Written Law

    From the Newark Advocate (see http://www.newarkadvocate.com/article/20081008/NEWS01/810080302):

    "According to Ohio law, 2907.323(A)(3) states anyone possessing material that shows a minor in a state of nudity is guilty of a fifth-degree felony. The violation also might qualify the juvenile as a Tier I sexual offender, which requires annual registration for a decade.

    The section of the law the girl, who is a foster child, was charged with allows parents or guardians to take photos of their unclothed children for a list of acceptable purposes but does not provide an exemption for the child themselves."

    The article indicates that the law was written as such to ensure that children will take the law seriously.

    To me it seems like a very poorly written law. Hopefully the judge will use his discretion to get the girl off. If not there is always (remember this if you ever get stuck with jury duty) the option of jury nullification. The jury *does not* have to follow the jury instructions. The jurors can make up their own mind and mete out their own justice. And it's totally legal to do this (albeit a bit unusual since most jurors are not aware of this). So hopefully if this case ever goes to trial (which would be very ridiculous) justice will prevail (though it seems terribly naive to believe it will)(but honestly, can you imagine that poor [clearly dumb] girl being stuck on the sex offender registry because of this.. it'll ruin her life!]

    Still, the fact that this poor [again, clearly dumb] girl is going through this makes me sad for our justice system. I can't see that pretending to be Canadian or moving to Fiji will help the situation much.

  134. Mark

    @Be Reasonable

    They ask you if you know about Jury Nullification. Then they pass you by if you say "yes".

    Judges don't like sharing power.

    They hate it.

  135. Anonymous Coward
    Flame

    My blood boils. I can only manage 4 words:

    "Authorities are considering charging some of the students who received the photos as well."

    What the f****** h*** !!!!!!!!!

  136. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    I just thought of something

    since they're going to be SO ridiculous, every single person who sees the photo must now be a paedophile too (actually, apparently that's what they're doing? since the people who received the photo didn't do anything wrong except have a phone which automatically accepted the text?)

    So, any and all police, judges etc who see said picture, ought to be convicted and added to the sex offenders register too.

    Think about it, if they're saying it's illegal porn, and she's being convicted over child porn, then the police are undeniably viewing child porn. So why is it okay for all these people on the case to see the photos (but not even the 'abused' girl herself)? Thus, all police who have viewed the photo (which is at least one) ought to be charged. Whoever possesses the photo ought to be charged with possession of child porn.

    Until they burn the device the photo is on they are still committing the crime of possessing child porn (but apparently that's okay if you're the police..) The police charging themselves actually makes sense due to the way the laws have been made.

    This is outrageous because the only thing this kind of BS is going to do is SWEEP CHILD ABUSE UNDER THE RUG.

    THERE WILL BE NO MORE CHILD ABUSE!!! Because people will stop reporting it.

    They are trying to get people to be deathly afraid of child porn and they have almost completely succeeded. But wait...

    Accidentally come across child porn online? You've already broke the law. If you report it, you will get in trouble too. So what will people do? Ignore it.

    Get sent a photo text of a nude child or classmate? What will people do? They won't report it, they will not tell anyone. That's just what a child abuse situation needs: extreme fear and secrecy by innocent people instead of reporting the crime!

    Your son behaving inappropriately around little girls? Take him to a psychologist? Nope. Pretend it isn't happening because if you report it the child will be taken off you and treated like a fully fledged paedophile, even if they are 7 years old and have never harmed anyone.

    Instead of giving these individuals the possibility of help they are too scared to come forward and will lurk in the shadows, possibly going on to actually commit an offence. Meanwhile, people aware of any child abuse will be scared to come forward in case they are charged too!

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