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Internet Explorer 8 beta 2 has been released, and it certainly makes for better browsing than the rough-around-the-edges beta 1 build. Rather than recommend the code only to web designers and developers of stout courage, Microsoft is throwing open the door for end-users one and all. The build adds some notable security and …

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  1. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    And ...

    65% more bloat than your usual browser.

  2. Richard

    The search engine bit

    Was in IE7, I'm sure of it.

  3. Beezer
    Thumb Down

    IE 8 super slow and Privacy mode not so private

    I downloaded IE 8 this afternoon and it is much slower than IE 7. Tried out Privacy mode and visted Websites in Privacy mode. Each Website was able to identify my location city customizing their responses. How private is that?

  4. eddiewrenn

    baby steps

    Haha thanks for another dryly-written article. But as you say, it's adding little or nothing to the table, and reminds me how pleased I am that we have Browser Wars, as if we had been left with just IE back in 1999 the Internet would be about 14 steps backwards.

  5. Chris

    @And...

    Of course it has 65% more bloat.. where else are they going to store the stuff they aren't "saving" anymore in private mode?

  6. Anonymous Coward
    Thumb Down

    LOL, the download is broken.

    Strange that I decided to download this and give it a try..... The download page just hangs, and if i click "Start Download" manually, it displayes the "Cannot be displayed" page.....

    Way to go MS. I might try to download in firefox instead......Nope, that's broken too. Oh well, FF3 for the win.

  7. Alex
    Happy

    Acid??

    Where's the acid test score?

  8. Ondrej Doubek
    Coat

    like the copy cats they are...

    ... they will always limp on step behind, calling stolen ideas "innovation", trying to give things their own "twist", and f*cking them up while doing so...

    A few other of their "victims":

    VMWare => Virtual PC

    CItrix => Terminal Server

    Visio...

    ...well, that whole OS (Overbloated System), actually!

    No thanks. Why wouldn't I stick to the 'alternatives', especially when they are the originals?

    Mine is the one with the 'Hoogo Bozz' label inside!

  9. Jeremy
    Go

    I see it runs on XP...

    I suspect the final release may well suddenly require Vista? Not that they need to try and crowbar people off XP or anything...

    I might... *Might* risk it in a VM, we'll see... There's no way in hell I'm installing it on my desktop...

  10. Antoine Dubuc
    Thumb Down

    Please don't do it.

    help me I can't uninstall this crapware on xppsp2. Its always wanting to debug everything and you need to reinstall all the addins like flashget, bt, etc... sucks! AVOID!

  11. Sim
    Gates Horns

    web standards - what new ways will exploder 8 break them

    Is ie8 going to break web standards in any new and interesting ways or just the usual ones

  12. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Debug build?

    I'm wondering whether any performance and bloat issues are a result of it being a debug build? It is only an early beta afterall, assuming the usual process it'll be beta3 next and then the RC's. Personally I'll withhold judgement (and testing) until at least beta3.

  13. Anonymous Coward
    Flame

    You forgot the Fail!

    CNET reports Browser Discrimination and DRM are broken for IE8.

    http://news.cnet.com/8301-10805_3-10028458-75.html

    Serves them right.

  14. Anonymous Coward
    Flame

    Its a browser....

    Give it up, its fucking done. Like MS Word before it, the ultimate browser was Netscape 3. Nothing substantially useful has been done since then.

  15. Michael
    Coat

    TrueCrypt

    will help with those shopping images....

  16. mechBgon

    As usual, the pundits forget about manageability :)

    Internet Explorer offers central configuration & enforcement of settings and preferences using Group Policy. The "competition": sorry, you're at the mercy of your users. Want to lock out a particular browser add-on RIGHT NOW due to the emergence of a major security risk? With IE and Group Policy, that's possible.

    IE offers central patching using WSUS (among other methods). The "competition": your team gets to go visit every desktop in person, unless you want to leave the work to your users.

    IE is easy to audit, fleet-wide, using Microsoft Baseline Security Analyzer to identify systems with insecure browser settings or unpatched browsers. Competition... "uh, no, who do you think we are, Microsoft or someone?"

    If this weren't The Reg, maybe the overwhelming home-user perspective would be more understandable. When it comes to the I.T. arena, I think efficient manageability and auditing is extremely important, and I see no viable competitors to Internet Explorer in that realm, even after all these years. If the competition wants to be taken seriously in the I.T. space, waking up to the need for efficient manageability would really help their case.

  17. Plankmeister
    Flame

    Dutch Lobster

    Ha ha! He searched for Dutch Lobster! Must be a n00b if he doesn't know what it is.

  18. Anonymous Coward
    Boffin

    @ "able to identify my location city customizing their responses"

    Each Website was able to identify my location city customizing their responses. How private is that?"

    The websites in question are probably doing that based on some convoluted lookups on your IP address (we wrote something similar to customise the home page of a store based on the visitor's country at my last company). Can't really blame MS for that, as it's kinda difficult to surf a site without it knowing your IP address - although if you find a way, I'm sure the folks at TPB would be interested in adding it to their new P2P protocol. ;)

    (oh, and don't start quoting any of that TOR rubbish at me, and saying it obfuscates your IP)

  19. Chris Matchett
    Stop

    Is anything new?

    So far I don't see any features that other browsers don't already have. So why would I download and install this?

  20. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    At least they're trying.

    All you people whining about how IE8's features are alread in FF/Opera/Safari/Lynx: Would you prefer they'd just stopped with IE6? After all, everyone else is better, so why try to catch up, right?

  21. adnim Silver badge

    All this bitching

    over Microsofts brilliant and innovative browsing product. I'm sure in most cases here it was downloaded just to ridicule.

    My experiences of IE stopped at IE5. I see no reason to confirm my suspicions and waste my time and bandwidth downloading this truly wonderful and exceptional window on the web just for a laugh. I leave that to the Reg faithful, thank you for providing some amusement with my morning coffee.

  22. Mark C
    Thumb Up

    Good to see .....

    the "cock gagging" story again ..... and the tone of the article was spot on

  23. Nick Ryan Silver badge

    @Beeze > IE 8 super slow and Privacy mode not so private

    "Each Website was able to identify my location city customizing their responses. How private is that?"

    Because the code to do this has absolutely nothing to do with whatever web browser you happen to be using.

    This code just checks the originating IP address of the HTTP request (which you can mask only by using a proxy) and cross references it against a lookup database that lists the likely location.

    So not a problem with IE8's "Privacy Mode" at all.

  24. Chris
    Joke

    Is it available...

    for the Mac or on Linux?

    No? Oh well, better luck next time...

  25. frymaster

    @Brent Gardner

    Netscape was a steaming pile of fail and the main reason I favour IE today is due to habits learned by using it to avoid dealing with netscape at all, if I could help it. If it wasn't for that I'd probably be a firefox or opera user, but now I'm just too comfortable with the way IE does things.

    (Yes, I'm one of the people who uses IE by choice. Unless I'm using elinks.)

  26. Anonymous Coward
    Paris Hilton

    ...that 80GB stash of "gift idea jpgs."...

    ...would be best contained by TrueCrypt (www.truecrypt.org).

  27. Anonymous Coward
    Gates Halo

    I see the anti-MS flamer's are here!

    Looking at it objectively, I think its very good (and lets remember its STILL ONLY A BETA.

    Its faster than FF3. Its kinder to the system, and its not a memory leach like Firefox is. FF3 is crap. I'll probably switch back to IE when this goes final, and I've used Firefox since 1.5.

  28. Anonymous Coward
    Joke

    Re: TrueCrypt

    "will help with those shopping images...."

    Of course, I wouldn't know anything about that... I don't do 'shopping'... certainly helps with the porn though.

  29. Matt Bradley
    Gates Horns

    Rendering Engine

    I notice that there's no mention of them fixing (or even attempting to fix) their HOPELESS rendering engine?

    Why is it that a software company with more financial resources than some governments can't manage to scrape together enough programming talent to build a better browser tha Firefox? Its laughable, frankly.

    The usual MS approach. Stick on some more chrome, add a few minor "features", somehow use another 35% of your system resources, and release it a major version release.

    When IE 7 hit, I joked to my work colleague that it would be funny if they fixed the CSS rendering bugs that made IE hacks work, but not fix the actual rendering bugs they addressed.

    "Of course they won't do that. Only an IDIOT would do that"

    OF course, I'll still have to install so I can see what a mess it makes of my CSS.

    Where's the horned Ballmer icon?

  30. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    It's like this...

    Ford sell pretty average cars, they lag behind the true innovators and yet they have a huge market share and motoring journalists seem to fall for their spin. It's just the way consumer markets work, why should the browser market be any different?

    Sad but true.

  31. tokoran

    ACID3 Test Scores

    Since IE8 is supposed to be "standards compliant", here are the ACID3 Test Scores of all current mainstream Browsers (all on WinXP SP3 if that matters):

    83 - Opera 9.52

    75 - Safari 3.1.2

    71 - Firefox 3.0.1

    21 - IE8 Beta2

    12 - IE6 and IE7

    Hardly impressive. At least it passes ACID2 now..

  32. Geoff Mackenzie

    Tor rubbish

    Tor does indeed hide your IP, using a chain of proxies that it periodically rebuilds. Try bouncing through Tor to google.com and see the fascinating array of polish, german and other nationalised googles. Quite effective.

    - A proud Tor server operator

  33. spegru
    Gates Horns

    I faintly wondered

    if it would be available for non-windows platforms (as firefox and opera are)...............

    But of course not!

    Pointless

  34. omg
    Flame

    'FAIL' IS NOT A NOUN!!!

    Ignorant cretins!

  35. Sarah Bee (Written by Reg staff)

    Re: 'FAIL' IS NOT A NOUN!!!

    Well, 'omg' is not a word, is it?

    Fail.

  36. Ben Brandwood
    Thumb Up

    Acid

    Well I've had a play with it, and it seems to cope with Acid 2 perfectly (well compared with the reference rendering)

    It's not too hot on Acid 3 though.. that said, what is (apart from Safari Dev 4)

  37. Mark Broadhurst
    Gates Halo

    Not so slow

    I've had no probelems with speed, the only thing which is slightly slugish is the new address bar features.

    At 12 Mb its hardly bloaty.

    The suggested sites seems a bit naff and compatibilty mode seems to get disabled on all of the MS websites how ever.

    Why do we still have Bill icons he stepped down a while ago.

  38. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    @omg

    So you know that fail is not a noun. One mark for grammar. And then you spoil it all by using multiple exclamation marks. Fail.

  39. David Kelly

    standards

    I don't give a rat's ass about these new features, I want IE to finally obey W3C standards. And while they're at it, rip out crappy jscript and make the thing run proper javascript FFS.

    IE is the worst thing to happen to the web, ask any developer.

  40. Mark McC
    Thumb Down

    Re: 'FAIL' IS NOT A NOUN!!!

    Ignoring the common Interweb usage of the word as a noun, we have Chambers:

    fail (noun):

    a failure, especially in an exam.

    Wiktionary says:

    fail (noun).

    a failure, especially of a financial transaction; a failing grade in an academic examination; : To not achieve a particular goal.

    I mark your comment a FAIL.

  41. mrmr
    Boffin

    Re: 'FAIL' IS NOT A NOUN!!!

    Well I'll just have to fix those stupid online dictionaries without fail then won't we?

  42. Jean-Luc Peurière

    Acid

    @Ben Brandwood :

    dev builds of Opera too, and Omniweb. Well the latter use webkit so not really a surprise it does as well as safari.

    21 on Acid3 ?

    Really a shame, even if Acid 3 looks in the dirty corners, not in main stuff like version 2 did.

  43. David Cornes

    Tabs?

    Actually, as a general rule I tend to be against the idea of tabs: you already have a 'tab bar' of sorts with the Windows Task Bar, and it seems logical to continue to use that as a single place to find things rather than creating another one. For that reason I prefer Word and Excel to use separate Task Bar entries for docs. However when Windows starts stacking them into one that can get annoying!

    Have to admit though the tabbed browsing first in Opera, and more recently Firefox, is weaning me off this way of thinking. Whether I'll bother with IE8 though after the mess of IE7 pushed me to FF we'll have to see.

  44. Jamie
    Boffin

    @omg

    Yes, you are right. The use of "fail" in this way is a relatively recent phenomenon. That doesn't make it wrong.

    Who would have thought it, the English language is evolving...

  45. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    @Brent Gardner

    "...ultimate browser was Netscape 3. Nothing substantially useful has been done since then."

    I disagree. I think the ability to resize a browser window without it refetching the page (and potentially reposting forms) was a major step forward in Netscape 4.

  46. Gerry

    IE8 Beta 2

    Still an all our yesterdays browser, falls well short of the performance offered by Opera, Firefox and Safari. Bloated, overweight, big footprint comparatively speaking, sluggish, page load delay on occasion.

    If this is the best microsoft can do it will be yet another resounding failure!

    WinXP Pro SP3 and Vista Ultimate x86 x64 Quad Core 8GB RAM

  47. BlueGreen

    @mechBgon

    Good point. Hadn't considered large environments and their needs. Then again, you shouldn't be allowing direct external net access from within a company, it should all be squeezed through a proxy (for blacklisting, logging etc) which gives you a convenient choke point if you suddenly need to stop everything.

    That doesn't address the versioning & general software control (FF addons etc) problems though.

  48. Andy Watt
    Flame

    @mmr

    "Well I'll just have to fix those stupid online dictionaries without fail then won't we?"

    You can have a crack at the dictionary but don't write any online WIKIs on grammar mate.

    Otherwise I'll have to fix them, wont' we?

    arf arf

    (Unless you were overloading that comment with irony.)

    P.S. All your fail are hours!

  49. Paul Stephenson

    @Beezer @ mechBgon

    @Beezer

    As said above, ip address.... nub..... please engage brain before slating. Had the site tried to set a cookie with your location data, that would probably have been blocked. :)

    @mechBgon

    I agree totally. There are so many companies out there that totally fail torecognise that some guy somewhere has to deploy thier two bit software across potentially a huge userbase. Thankfully I only manage 150odd desktops but that's still above 'manual touch'. If I had to visit every desktop in a software rollout I'd never get anything else done ever but rolling out software.

    Why more companies do not ship predefined admx templates for thier products is beyond me, especially for software that's pretty much everywhere (Adobe Reader/WinZip/Flash/Java) - yes I know I can write my own, and people have for some of those but that's just not the point. I don't want to mess around with the Adobe Customisation Wizard for ages repackaging thier bloat, I just want t deploy it and disable bits.

    A little off topic, but you get the point. I expect IE8 will ship with admx templates, there might even be some already. Half the features at least will be covered by the existing one's.

    I've installed the beta and so far I like it, it's an improvement on IE7, faster, lighter and at last tab recovery (why was it omitted from ie7?!?!?).

    Posted on IE8 Beta 2 :)

  50. Anonymous Coward
    Gates Halo

    RE: web standards - what new ways will exploder 8 break them

    Ironically, I think it's going to fix some of the ways in which IE7 broke standards, which will break existing websites that currently design around them.

    Ho hum... (is that a noun?)

  51. Adam

    @"As usual, the pundits forget about manageability :) "

    I agree IE is very good with Group Policy software package management, down to very granular settings control.

    I also agree these comments seem to bias to the home market usage, while my company machine base is tiny compared to the big players I find Group Policy and other central management systems provide essential time savings.

    However there are various ways of supporting Firefox, albeit hacky by comparison. Some info at http://www.appdeploy.com/packages/detail.asp?id=873 Which I had to do to support some users on my network.

    I have found most unsupported apps can be wrapped in a .msi calling the setup program with switches, as long as it supports switches that is.

    Or the reverse of unwrapping the installer and accessing the msi's directly.

    As far as I recall you can also manage Firefox extensions in the same way, calling Firefox to install the xpi file.

    I am pretty sure you can also patch manage for firefox by rolling a new updated package marking it as a upgrade package. Though I had just added a script to uninstall the existing Firefox first as part of the installer. Which if setup correctly should uninstall and replace the existing one, while maintaining bookmarks etc.

    Though I don’t know how System Center Essentials and Co alter the playing field for less natively supported application

    http://www.microsoft.com/systemcenter/essentials/en/us/default.aspx

    Anyway, just my 2 pence

  52. Chris Cheale

    Arf

    omglolbbq all ur FAIL are belong to ... proper gamatical usage?

    Anyhew - much as IE7 was better than IE6, IE8 (the 'final' release) will be better than 7. No it won't be perfect, it'll probably still use ActiveX to achieve XMLHTTPRequest functionality and while it'll probably do fine for (X)HTML, the CSS and JS will, no doubt, still be borked to some degree... but, and I think this is important, they will be borked to a _lesser_ degree than they are now. This is a good thing.

    Hell, I'll be happy if they've fixed the CSS box model so that they pad out rather than in.

    Mind, I'll still use FF and Opera anyway - kthnxbye

  53. The BigYin
    Boffin

    @'FAIL' IS NOT A NOUN

    The web dictionaries are out of date. Most still contain "gullible" too, even though that has been dropped from the definitive, hard-copy of the major English dictionaries for a few years now.

  54. Ian Ferguson
    Happy

    'Privacy mode' will be hilarious for IT managers

    I can't wait to see which employees think 'Privacy mode' will hide their lunchtime browsing habits. I'm surprised MS hasn't seen fit to point out on the info screen that it only removes your LOCAL history.

  55. Ocular Sinister
    Stop

    @mechBgon

    A quick google revealed that there are at least two customised builds of Firefox that already support lock down via Active Directory. One is a by a company called Frontmotion and another is called FirefoxADM (though this looks like its been abandoned). I can't say I've ever used them as its not something that interests me, but it seems Firefox can be managed in a similar way to IE8.

  56. Anonymous Coward
    Flame

    @mechBgon

    Well, I can't argue about the benefits of being able to enforce group policies, but has anyone actually tried this with IE8 before heaping on the praise? The management apps we use allow us to view whatever version of pretty much ANY software installed, as well as letting us push out whatever updates we wish for most software, whether MS or not.

    Centralized updates are great... if any are being released in a timely fashion. Firefox always checks for updates, and no waiting for "patch Tuesday" to get them, with a new exploit out on Wednesday. Microsoft's decision to ignore standards and create their own version of them is aggravating to say the least. And sadly, while we try to keep our company off of Firefox and other non-IE browsers for the reasons you state, we've had to install Firefox for many users to get both legacy and current web-based business apps to work right. (including ironically, parts of our helpdesk application) And don't get me started about ActiveX.

    </rant>

  57. Chris Matchett
    Happy

    "Re: 'FAIL' IS NOT A NOUN!!! By Sarah Bee

    "Well, 'omg' is not a word, is it?

    Fail."

    OMGWTFpwn'd :-)

  58. Tom Kelsall

    @AC RE: Installing FF to get Bus Apps working

    Do we work for the same company??? We've had to do that too - specifically for our helpdesk app!!

    A way to manage FF3 via Group Policy would be amazing; and as we use SMS to deploy packages, we could easily fit FF3 into a package and send it out. Patching is managed by the app - and if we had a GPO to do it with, we could simply ensure that all updates were downloaded and installed instantly.

    Mine's the one with the orange canine on it.

  59. D. M
    Unhappy

    @mechBgon

    Well, I have to ask if you really know what you are talking about. In real world, update is not an issue with any browser for large network for very simple reason:

    1. the upgrade/update is very very slow comparing to "home users". Often, there will be no update at all. In large network, every upgrade/update should be tested, to ensure it doesn't break existing function/software. The most important thing would be keep business systems/environment running. The company Intranet, any web based applications, are not likely to change. So does the browser, once it is set, no change will be made to it.

    2. Users are not accessing the Internet directly, they will all go through proxy and firewall. Certain sites or type of files will be blocked, users have no option any way.

    At work, we stuck with IE6. The crap web application we must use is heavy activeX controlled. We don't have any "update". IE7 or 8 might work with our existing environment, but no one will risk it. This is the real world.

    I'd very much like to use FF, however it is not an option for most users. Some from other sections can use FF for everything else, and IE6 for activeX controlled apps.

  60. David Simpson
    Thumb Down

    I don't know why

    But ie8 beta2 makes the el reg site appear in tiny little print that is almost impossible to read (all other sites thus far are OK).

    Maybe it's because you are always so nasty about Microshit they've put a special el reg shrinker in it.

  61. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    @D. M

    Sounds like your admin might've died, or just stopped caring. I'm an admin too. I use IE6 to punish people. Extremely large networks aren't all that different-- one just updates by department, and has a couple test machines. Methinks you might want to hire a couple consultants to scare your admin out of his complacency.

  62. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Address bar?

    But can you disable the new address bar functionality in IE8?

    Signed,

    A pissed-off Firefox 3 user.

  63. Phil A
    Boffin

    Campaign to bring back Mosaic!

    <sarcasm>

    All you newbies going on about firefox, safari etc - Mosaic was the real browser!

    </sarcasm>

    Whoops, is my age showing?

  64. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Split Personality

    To me as a humble home user it seems that the problem Microsoft has is that it has to do everything to suit corporate IT. Internet Explorer will always be fail till Windows makes a separation between home and business.

  65. Marc
    Thumb Up

    That really is the best comedy I have ever seen or heard!

    well done!

  66. James Butler

    @Various

    "Why is it that a software company with more financial resources than some governments can't manage to scrape together enough programming talent to build a better browser tha Firefox?"

    OSS engine = many developers = innovation + security

    Closed engine = only those you can find and hire = not so much innovation or security

    @mechBgon et al.

    Why are you still letting users run their own systems? You owe it to your companies and to yourselves as admins to give thin clients a try. And don't forget your common firewall/point of egress can be an exceptional place to manage surfing permissions.

    @It's like this... AC

    Yeah ... but Ford's market share is decreasing every year, losing it to Toyota and Honda, who are doing the innovating that Ford is trying to keep up with. Same with General Motors. Not innovating is called "stagnating". Playing catch-up is called .. er .. "playing catch-up". In any case, not innovating will eventually result in lost market share. Just ask Microsoft.

  67. Jacob Reid
    Paris Hilton

    RE: Address bar

    Who cares? Just install oldbar and old location bar extensions in FF3.

    Or do what I did and remove it then reinstall FF2...

    I am still pissed off mozilla didn't give us an option to disable that steaming heap of rubbish that is the new address bar though.

  68. spam

    @ Anonymous coward

    you may find that the "oldbar" plugin will reduce your pissed-off-ness

  69. Paul

    @mechBgon

    A valid point, and beyond a certain size of enterprise I'd consider central management an essential feature. Something which other browsers do need to address officially (not through third-party hack-jobs).

    Sadly your potential FAIL is the poor bloody admins will still be rushing around like stressed out little ants dealing with individual cases of malware on separate machines if Microsoft do their usual stellar job of securing the browser.

    Overall it sounds like progress for IE. I don't use it for my own browsing, but I do websites that have to work in it and any improvement to how it works will make my life a little more pleasant.

    Also, competition is good, it keeps Mozilla/Apple/Opera from getting lazy and complacent like Microsoft were after IE6. Which means better browsers for everyone! Yay! :)

  70. Piers
    Happy

    RE: As usual, the pundits forget about manageability...

    What you say is all very well, but unless I'm mistaken only applies to MICROSOFT shops. So sure, improved an IE is definitely a good thing there.

    Much of the rest of the world would rather it rendered HTML, CSS and javaScript according to the standards. Fingers crossed, eh?

  71. Michael

    @ Beezer

    You're missing the point. Privacy mode isn't intended to make you unknown on the internet, it's to make it so session information is private on your computer (and removed on session close)

    It's not that hard to read the IP you're connecting from, and geoIP it back to a city. No browser mode is going to change that.

  72. Eric

    stop saying FAIL

    it makes you sound like some slashdotting 4chan retard

  73. Noogie Brown

    When did 4chan take over el reg?

    no text

  74. Anonymous Coward
    Joke

    To quote.....

    Catch up... "That most American of games"

    ---a very happy and long time Opera user

  75. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Don't forget that ...

    M$'s "Beta" releases are in fact the same as other software companies Alpha releases and their "production" releases are everyone elses Betas.

  76. fdg

    UMM

    rules 1 & 2 YOU NOBS

  77. Kevin Kitts
    Happy

    Concerning "fail"...

    http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fail

    It's not a noun, people, it's a verb. The noun is "failure".

    FAILURE. FaIlUrE. FAiluRE. fAiLuRe.

    "... - now with 35 % less failure."

    We may be used to not knowing correct English here in America, but I'd figured that English people should know their English language for some stupid reason.

    Wrooooooooong, do it again...wrooooooooong, do it again...

  78. sc
    Boffin

    only those you can find and hire = not so much innovation or security?

    "OSS engine = many developers = innovation + security

    Closed engine = only those you can find and hire = not so much innovation or security"

    Opera disproves your point: small company, closed-source, still creating one of the most secure and innovative browsers.

    Moreover, I think "those you can find and hire" still equals "many developers" when you're talking about Microsoft's IE department. Just out of curiosity, are there any numbers available on how many people actively contribute to FF and IE development?

  79. p
    Thumb Down

    CAC Does not work with IE8

    IE8 disables the usage of CAC.

  80. D. M

    @AC

    "Sounds like your admin might've died, or just stopped caring. I'm an admin too. I use IE6 to punish people. Extremely large networks aren't all that different-- one just updates by department, and has a couple test machines. Methinks you might want to hire a couple consultants to scare your admin out of his complacency."

    We out sourced most of networking/admin ages ago, that's what big company/department/agency do. That's real world.

    Do they care, hell no, the two current out source companies managing our networks got to be the worst of worst.

    However, back to your point:

    1. Couple of test machine is not enough, that's part of the problems we have had. Some of the special software/applications we use, don't like changing anything. I think our Intranet is pretty much locked with IE6. Matter of fact, changes are more likely to break our software/applications.

    2. Don't you dare to use the word "consultant". Those blood suckers are the worst of IT world. Currently one of the biggest IT form is doing what they do best - charging us sky high amount of money for their consultants, while producing "products" worse than piece of shit.

  81. Mr Snrub
    Happy

    Well, I like it ;p

    I don't bother to compare FF + numerous plugins with IE8, as it's more applicable to compare with IE7 sans plugins - and in that respect it's an improvement.

    And judging a product by its virtual resource consumption, especially when it is BETA, is somewhat silly.

    And one thing I think MS do better than most is the UI, for pretty much all their products - open source products remind me of cheap knockoffs and always look dated to me.

  82. Aditya Krishnan

    Mutilated Register

    Why does El Reg appear mangled on the IE8 beta? All the text is tiny and the Google Ads are overlaid on the comment entry box as I type.

  83. Andrew Norton

    chris machet said...

    "So far I don't see any features that other browsers don't already have. So why would I download and install this?"

    To which I have to say, "thats a good question to ask those 8 million misguided fools taken in by the mozilla hype".

  84. Anonymous Coward
    Stop

    @Kevin Kitts...

    --------------------------------

    "http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fail

    It's not a noun, people, it's a verb. The noun is "failure".

    FAILURE. FaIlUrE. FAiluRE. fAiLuRe.

    "... - now with 35 % less failure."

    We may be used to not knowing correct English here in America, but I'd figured that English people should know their English language for some stupid reason."

    --------------------------------------

    NEVER use Webster to criticise the English Language.It's a Merkin abridged version of the OED that couldn't even get simple words correct, such as colour and favourite.

  85. Chris
    Gates Halo

    No one can compete with IE's features

    No one can compete with IE's features listed below. No one!

    Internet Explorer offers central configuration & enforcement of settings and preferences using Group Policy. The "competition": sorry, you're at the mercy of your users. Want to lock out a particular browser add-on RIGHT NOW due to the emergence of a major security risk? With IE and Group Policy, that's possible.

    IE offers central patching using WSUS (among other methods). The "competition": your team gets to go visit every desktop in person, unless you want to leave the work to your users.

    IE is easy to audit, fleet-wide, using Microsoft Baseline Security Analyzer to identify systems with insecure browser settings or unpatched browsers. Competition... "uh, no, who do you think we are, Microsoft or someone?"

    If this weren't The Reg, maybe the overwhelming home-user perspective would be more understandable. When it comes to the I.T. arena, I think efficient manageability and auditing is extremely important, and I see no viable competitors to Internet Explorer in that realm, even after all these years. If the competition wants to be taken seriously in the I.T. space, waking up to the need for efficient manageability would really help their case.

    Thanks to mechBgon for pointing out why FF, Opera, Safari and others will never win

    I only use FF on Ubuntu at home, and have to use IE on XP at work for these reasons, because look after this market

    Just the normal Microsoft bashing bullshite

    Why do poeple still do this: M$, Microshit, Exploder... what a load of stupid giggling school boys, my browsers better than yours bullshite

    Anyone who can't write Microsoft, or Explorer without reverting to childish terms is just a childish tw@

    Without Microsoft using peoples innovations and selling it to the masses, there wouldn't be a need for hundreds of thousands of people to work in the IT business, whether they use Microsoft products themselves or at work or not

  86. Ilgaz Öcal
    Thumb Down

    Claims W3C standards broken!

    I keep sites I manage as W3C strict XHTML not to deal with any browser issues.

    I installed IE 8 beta 2 and went to them... All have "Error on page" displayed. I can't believe it at all.

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