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Chichester District Council has provoked the wrath of Middle England by suggesting to staff and members that the phrase "man on the street" would better be expressed by "general public", since the former is "based on the assumption that the world is male and makes the views or work of women invisible". The West Sussex …

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  1. Dodgy Geezer Silver badge
    Stop

    I remember, back in the good old PC '80s..

    how we used to refer to one of the local pubs as the 'Fentiperson Arms'...

  2. Anonymous Coward
    Unhappy

    My sensitivities have been hurt!

    Having read this enlightening article on the sensible steps being taken by the council, I found myself rendedered speachless by the job advertisement sitting next to it, asking for a "Project Manager", surely this should be a Project Personager?

  3. Neil Greatorex
    Thumb Up

    @ Bootnote

    Revenue^H^H^H^H^H^H Speed cameras.

    Fista.

    nuLabour

    :-)

  4. Alexis Vallance

    Don't fuss

    Nobody will ever read the 7 page guide anyway.

    Although that makes me wonder what sort of format it could possibly be in, since literature has to consist of either 2, 4, 8, 12, 16 etc. pages.

  5. Colin Millar
    Alien

    Time to end this wicked discrimination

    Why are only 'persons' allowed 'spokes'?

    What about furries, vampires and zombies? They can hardly be descibed as 'person'. Further, use of the word 'spoke' implies that only beings capable of audible communication can participate and when our gaseous bodied thought-communicating alien overlords finally arrive* they will not be pleased at this attempt to exclude them from mainstream life and cultural activity.

    I would suggest we need a radical overhaul of the language in which we replace all species specific references with the word 'dooh-dah'.

    Yours disgustedly

    Colonel RC Matheringham-Smythe

    Tunbridge Wells.

    IHIOGA** that this is scheduled for a week next Monday.

    ** I have it on good authority

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  7. Ben Mathews
    Dead Vulture

    Shocking, truly shocking...

    That The Register would besmirch the wonders of Marmite.

  8. Greg

    A fatal flaw

    "what we are seeking to do is to be more sensitive and responsive to the needs of others in our society."

    But who the hell *needs* this kind of BS?

  9. Bez

    Plausibility

    "Rather more plausibly, council operatives are advised to avoid dismissing old timers as "old woman", "old fool" and "old codger" in favour of "old person"."

    Surely that's *less* plausible? I can readily imagine people referring to "the man on the street" but how plausible is it really that on issuing that statement, hundreds of council staff will be hastily reviewing their annual reports and Tipp-Exing out the phrases "old codger" and "old fool"? It seems the sort of advice that should be superfluous, like suggesting that staff don't refer to pensioners in council documentation by using the phrases "blue-rinsed wrinkly" or "senile old twat".

  10. Gordon Pryra

    He has led a very sheltered life

    "I think political correctness is one of the most ghastly things about our society - it's one of the most repulsive things ever to be invented."

    If thats the worse thing we have in our society, then thank god!!

  11. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Or perhaps

    they couls point out to people that "man" is normaly accepted in this context to mean Human????

  12. Anonymous Coward
    Joke

    Of course, 'man' couldn't refer to 'mankind', could it?

    Actually, if one wants to be pedantic about this whole PC nonsense, then we should stop calling them 'women' and refer them as 'men' from now on - after all, female actors are no longer referred to as actresses, etc., and calling them 'women' really marks them out as different.

  13. Niall
    Thumb Down

    Womens views

    are not invisible, we just don't pay any attention to them, until they are vocalised repeatedly or until we are presented with a threat to withold certain benefits. At which point we are all ears.

    Thumbs down or under the thumb you tell me.

  14. Tim Russell
    Thumb Down

    PC used to mean Police Constable, now it means Pile of Crap!

    "This includes the sensitivity of various individuals and groups, and current thinking in society in general."

    So for the troubled few they decide to enlighten everyone. I sure as hell don't have a problem with "man on the street" and most defiantly don't assume it means a man!

  15. Ian Ferguson
    Thumb Down

    Old person?

    I'm thirty five, you know!

    /montypython

  16. Anonymous Coward
    Coat

    Person - sorry, not allowed

    As a manager known for his lack of sense of humour once pointed out to us, you can't use person as it contains the word son which is gender-biased.

    Mine's the one with STRATOS written on the back (in-joke).

  17. dervheid
    Unhappy

    Almost as bad...

    as a recent in office announcement, informing us of the appointment of a new "Handy Person". (Yes, it is a bloke!)

    Pass the PC sick bag please.

  18. oliver Stieber
    Thumb Up

    council?

    I think we should be referring to councils as dick heads and calling them councils suggests that they have some ability to govern in a reasonable manner.

  19. Luke Wells

    If only

    If only I could find a job wiring pointless advisory documents for lots of money.

    For every word or gesture there is, there is a country, religion, or group of people that will take offense to it. Why can't we just get on with our lives rather than worry about these sorts of things.

  20. breakfast
    Happy

    Hey! Marmite is tasty!

    That Colpoys feller sounds like a reactionary old gimmer to me.

  21. Anonymous Coward
    Coat

    I think you'll find..

    That the correct term is "per-offspring". As "son" is gender specific.

    Human therefore becomes Huperoffspring.

    Simple really.

  22. Steve Kay

    In Chichester?

    A white, middle class, well-to-do town, where less than 700 aren't white (out of a population of 106,540 people)?

    Mind you, further reading of the NAO shows that there's 56k women to 50k men in the area, so mayhaps this is long overdue?

  23. Campbell
    Stop

    Stop

    Could we stop this guessing that someone somewhere will be offended PC nonsense please?. FFS people these phrases have been used for countless years if anyone was offended don't you PC nutters think you'd have heard about it by now?

    Wait until someone complains then, like the ASA, uphold that one complaint. Just don't let trivial things like one complaint out of 60-odd million citizens stop you.

  24. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Chichester BC Human Resource Management Strategy

    Ironic that they have one.

    http://www.chichester.gov.uk/index.cfm?articleid=4662

  25. Flocke Kroes Silver badge

    Report needs more work ...

    '... operatives are advised to avoid dismissing old timers as "old woman", "old fool" and "old codger" in favour of "old person".'

    It is good to know that there are politically correct terms for dismissing old people. What are the politically correct terms for dismissing children, and the middle aged? Do we need some quotas to ensure that people of all ages are dismissed equally?

  26. Jess

    The use of the word "man" to cover both genders ..

    .. implicitly implies equality.

    The replacement of that word with a different word gives the impression of accepting second best.

  27. Anonymous Coward
    Coat

    That old codger managed to offend even more

    "This kind of thing really _gets my goat_ - it's not as though anybody _in their right mind_ would believe that the 'man in the street' referred solely to the _male sex_. It's just _stupid_, I've never heard anything like it."

    His quote is offensive to goats, homosexuals, mental patients and stupid people. He should have said:

    "This kind of thing really _annoys me_ - it's not as though anybody _who is not mentally challenged_ would believe that the 'man in the street' referred solely to _males_. It's just _obtuse_, I've never heard anything like it."

  28. Andy
    Alert

    Hmmmm

    Well with all the problems facing society today; education, environmental problems, crime and violence in the streets, unemployment and the credit crunch.

    I'm glad to see that so much time, resource and money is being spent making sure that totally inoffencive and harmless expressions no longer repress and discriminate the common person.

    No doubt millions of affected people will now sleep soundly in their beds tonight, under the safe and unassuming blanket of political correctness that are local governments provide.

    Bravo.........

  29. Steve

    Current thinking in society...

    "This includes the sensitivity of various individuals and groups, and current thinking in society in general."

    I thought it was fairly well acknowledged that society currently thinks this is a load of bollocks, a waste of taxpayers money and is usually traced back to some hal-wit councillor who thought he/she/it could win more votes with the shirt-lifters/darkies/baby-droppers by patronising them and treating them like kids.

  30. michael

    I know you where joking but

    Manager

    the man in words like manager comes from manunpiulate not form human or from man

    of corse manunpiulate means to fiddle describing all managers perfuctley

    yes now I am jokeing

    (I know I can not spell it is after lunch on tuesday)

  31. Pete
    Coat

    This takes pathetic to a whole new level

    I was considering brainstorming some new PC terms but I thought it would be a load of nanny-state labourised bollocks.

    There is nothing wrong with suffusing the word 'man' into posts. Should we relabel our species as Hupersons?

    Get a grip you overpaid council idiots - get the bums off the streets, help out the broken homes, stop treating fat people like they are diseased and pour money into education instead.

    I get really wound up by people nit-picking at what are now considered to be non-pc terms.

    Britain is officially* the most PC state in the world and I want to leave.

    *I made that up but it feels that way.

    Mine's the man-sized one in a manly dark colour.

  32. Anonymous Coward
    Joke

    Gareth Keenan knows how to be politically correct

    Gareth: "My dad, for example, he's not as cosmopolitan or as educated as me and it can be embarrasing you know. He doesn't understand all the new trendy words - like he'll say "poofs" instead of "gays", "birds" instead of "women", "darkies" instead of "coloureds"."

    Gareth: "I'm not homophobic, all right? Come around, look at my C.D collection. You'll find Queen, George Michael, Pet Shop Boys. They're all bummers."

  33. Greg Bromage
    Dead Vulture

    "Promotes the view that the world is male"

    ...and it also promotes the view that everyone is "on the street".

    What percentage of people are in their houses or offices at any given time? Are their views to be ignored, beholden to the point of view of people whom have nothing better to do than stand in the middle of the street?

  34. Anonymous Coward
    Paris Hilton

    Please don't use person!!!

    Son is masculine. Kin would be more suitable so it shouldn't be person, but perkin

    Paris (coz I'm sexist)

  35. Anonymous Coward
    Coat

    A seven page guide?

    That'd be a MANual then, wouldn't it?

  36. Anonymous Coward
    Alien

    Furries, people?

    Since when?

    Alien because we have no masks.

  37. Maurice Shakeshaft

    And what's wrong with political correctness...?

    On what basis does the Council Spokething presume to claim that "they" are "Community Leaders"? The civil servant is getting its role out of perspective. If there are any "Community Leaders" then it is the politicians - and there are precious few who can claim either title honestly - who are voted into office. If the politicians have asked the Civil Servants to waste taxes preparing this nonsense the voters should so enquire and then hold the politicians to account. The Politicians determine policy, the civil servants advise and implement - or have I missed something? - I guess I have in this "new" world.

  38. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    @Pete

    First of all, I suggest you find out what your local council dose, how much choice it has on spending and how much people there a paid. You will probably feel a little better and live a little longer.

    Just as a starting point, a front line customer service officer, who has to work face to face with people day in day out, dealing with the finances and problems of alcoholics, drug addicts and so on (the type of people you really don't want to spend to much time with and can be violent) earns around £17-£19k in most places. Would you like to sit and explaine to people like that why they owe you money they don't have?

  39. Chris
    Black Helicopters

    Cunning Linguists

    The manual runs to seven pages because it has been printed in 21 different languages inlcuding braille and esperanto.

  40. Markie Dussard
    Dead Vulture

    The real question should be ...

    ... are the editorial staff at El Reg attempting to get Nelson over at "Speak Your Branes" to create a new Vulture's Vadge category. This all reads like a deliberate attempt to provoke the hard-of-thinking to fulminate publically, which you have all duly done.

  41. Stuart Elliott

    Political Correctness

    Perhaps they should have a council meeting of the 100,000 inhabitants of Chichester and ask them, the 'man on the street', what they think about the amount of taxpayers money has gone into producing the seven page load of bollocks..

    Let's see what sort of response they get from that.

  42. Adam Williamson
    Thumb Down

    It's perfectly right.

    The only problem here is that it's exactly right.

    "it's not as though anybody in their right mind would believe that the 'man in the street' referred solely to the male sex," fumes some (male) Tory twat. Except that it is. The phrase is sufficiently old enough that it was used to mean exactly what it said. When a newspaper discussed what "the man in the street" thought it really did mean the man in the street, because the woman in the street was supposed to be thinking about knitting.

    Call it political correctness all you like, but that doesn't make it wrong.

    Knee-jerk reactions to anything at all which attempts to address sexism, racism, or any other form of prejudice as "political correctness" are far more damaging in the long run.

  43. Dave

    "current thinking in society in general"

    == misguided thoughts derived from believing Guardian op-ed pieces. Whereas we all know that current thinking in society in general is mostly: "how little can I pay for 24 cans of Stella? what's on 'Stenders tonight?"

    OBTW WTF is the IT content in this ridiculous piece? Did Chichester BC use Google translate to render these guidelines into the 21 requisite languages?

    We recently got canvassed by our local council about a residents' parking scheme. 1 page of questionnaire about the scheme, consisting of four questions. 3 pages of 'community & personal information' consisting of 21 questions including seemingly needing to understand if I originate from one of twenty seven possible ethnic backgrounds including "Irish (traveller)"

    erm...

    How in the name of all that is sane can anybody imagine that someone who is "Irish (traveller)" would

    a) have become a settled resident?

    b) want to park a vehicle?

    c) at least by paying for the privilege??????

  44. Anonymous Coward
    Stop

    People of Chichester

    You are paying for these idiots!

  45. Anonymous Coward
    Stop

    I'm offended

    "manning the switchboard"

    They use an actual switchboard?? like a board of switches?? Surely they should be using something with buttons and integrated circuits?

    Now, what about one of my school teachers... Mrs Manning... should she now be referred to as "married-person personning" to avoid gender-specificity?

  46. David Frank
    Paris Hilton

    OLD can't use that!

    I was told by a local council PC manager last year that you cannot use the term "OLD" as it;

    1. Refers to age of a human

    2. "OLD" is refers to decrepid or unreliable as you often throw things out simply because they are "OLD"

    So unfortunately this particular council has dropped a major PC clanger here!

    Anyway I must go as we have a "very unreliable" human wearing a skirt waiting for me in the welcome suite!

    Paris! because she will still be horny when she is "unreliable"!

  47. RW
    Happy

    @ Greg & Chris

    Greg quoting some council flunky: "what we are seeking to do is to be more sensitive and responsive to the needs of others in our society."

    These are strictly imaginary needs. The thought process is closely akin to the insane health & safety regulations that forbid all interesting activities on the grounds that someone *might* get hurt, instead of accepting that, yes, people do get hurt on occasion and H&S regulations should be limited to the relatively few activities that have a proven track record for causing serious injury. A skinned knee or a wounded ego is not a serious injury. Likewise, calling someone a spokesman does not deny anyone any needed ego stroking -- except for a few insane feminists with no sense of perspective.

    Chris: "The manual runs to seven pages because it has been printed in 21 different languages inlcuding braille and esperanto."

    Reminds me of when I was working in a public body that annually issued property assessment notices to all property owners in British Columbia and prided itself on having had the information leaflet translated into a large number of languages, including some indigenous tongues with under a dozen speakers left. I laughed myself silly when a gentleman whose name implied he was a Sikh wrote an indignant letter about the paternalistic attitude implied in the translation. To paraphrase, he bitched "you are telling me that someone capable of buying real property is incapable of reading English."

    Good point. The PR types and spin doctors were puzzled and could not formulate a coherent response.

  48. Stewart Haywood
    Joke

    Bollocks!

    Oh, sorry, I mean ovaries, Oh no, too far the other way, I mean gonads.

  49. Adam Williamson
    Thumb Down

    @RW

    I live in British Columbia. My apartment is in fact owned by my partner's mother, who doesn't speak English. I imagine she's rather happy to have all the relevant council information translated to Chinese. I don't see how communicating with people in their first language is "paternalistic".

  50. Neil Greatorex

    @ Hmmmm By Andy

    Let me guess, you either forgot the humour tag or you work in HR.

    If the former, sorry mush.

    If the latter; you fucking parasite!

    General question to HR twats: How do you sleep at night knowing that you have never, ever, ever made a positive contribution to the bottom line at ANY company.

    Huh?

    Those of us that bring in revenue should rise up. Rise up I tell you!

  51. John Benson
    Coat

    There's nothing wrong with sensitivity and compassion per se.

    Although I hesitate to wade into this sea of raging linguistic testosterone, duty compels.

    The ridiculousness of the situation really lies in a government or any other corporate body preaching sensitivity and compassion. These are, and always have been, attributes of individuals and not of groups. Governments only seem to have them when good individuals succeed in manifesting them in the course of their official duties.

    (Religions are also groups, but membership in them is usually voluntary and preaching is expected in any case.)

    You can't legislate sensitivity any more than you can legislate a head for numbers or singing ability. Such initiatives are superfluous when good intentions are present. Their apparent success in other cases will only be a veneer of patronizing hypocrisy.

    Bottom line: right sentiments, but utter cluelessness as to an appropriate venue.

  52. Pete "oranges" B.
    Unhappy

    Randomness?

    Bad politicos, don't you know, every time you drag semantics into a discussion of colloquialisms, god kills a cat girl. Please, think of the cat girls.

  53. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    @ Adam Williamson

    "I imagine she's rather happy to have all the relevant council information translated to Chinese. I don't see how communicating with people in their first language is "paternalistic"."

    Aah - now you're making the paternalistic assumption - if it's like most council/governments efforts it will be in Putonghua only - fine if your partner's mother speaks/reads this language, but if, like many non-Han Chinese, she doesn't then you're correct - it's just your imagination that this is of help to her and not just a paternalistic gesture..

  54. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Are they un-educated

    According to the Chambers dictionary, one definition for man is:

    "human beings as a whole or as a genus (see homo1); the human race"

    Which just goes to prove how uneducated the people who run this county now are!

  55. James Anderson

    @Dodgy Geezer

    The "Fentipersons Arms" !!

    Have you you respect for the lesser limbed among us you insensitive clods, or, the fellings of non-homo sapien creatures?

    Should have been the "Fentibeings Appendiges".

  56. Adam Williamson
    Thumb Down

    Neil

    "Those of us that bring in revenue should rise up. Rise up I tell you!"

    So, not the IT department (and hence 90% of the readers of this site), then? They don't bring in any money.

  57. Mr Larrington
    Dead Vulture

    7 pages?

    Probably eight, with "This page intentionally left blank" in big friendly letters on the last one.

  58. Vic
    Alien

    psychobabble

    Look, I'm a non-man and I don't feel invisible if someone says 'manning the switchboard'. Partially because I'm senior enough that I don't have to man the switchboard but also because it's frigging irrelevant.

    I'm just so tired of all this posturing quackery. The council bans the use of the word 'man' but they're quite happy to persecute women, children, minorities, whatever it is they feel like today by their assish ways.

    There's nothing wrong with translating official docs into someone's language, particularly if they're a relatively recent immigrant, as such. But there's everything wrong with SAYING on the one hand 'look how PC we are, we don't allow people to say slightly off-colour things' (pun not initially intended but hey, I'm talented - or not) and DOING on the other hand racial and ethnic profiling of the 'you have an Arabic name, we'd best strip search you then hold you for 42 days' variety. Or going 'look how PC we are, we don't talk about manning the switchboard' and then cutting funding for afterschool programmes and then bitching because a couple of single mums walk out from personing the switchboard and end up back on benefits. (Yeah, that's going to be a whole debate in itself.)

    IT angle - well, probably the fact that the COWncil claims to have spent a big budget on Unified Comms but persons a SWITCHBOARD. Ugh.

    Keep the masses involved with useless semantic crap then we can all feast under the table while they're not looking. Aliens.

  59. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    A better way to be PC...

    would be to insert a slash between the distinguishing versions of the word you want to use... e.g.

    man/woman

    pillowbiter/shirtlifter

    rugmuncher/dyke

    old/young/middleaged

    valuable member of society (us) / thieving parasite (civil servant/politician)

    black/brown/yellow/white/ginger

    Also, (I.T. angle) why be mean to Windows, by exclusively using Unix slashes, one could employ the Windows backslash too...

    man/\woman or woman\/man etc.

    On a statistical note, the feminine perkin that has chosen to spend a significant portion of it's adult life with me, is a nurse, and is often amused to see an obviously nonwhite/nonbritish perkin describe themselves as white/british on those stupid fucking forms, and there is not a thing she/he can do, even if he/she wanted to. So despite the efforts of the stupid wankers that misuse our taxes to be accurate about stuff and collect meaningful (to them) information, if the client/customer/patient does not want to play ball, the client/customer/patient won't.

  60. NT
    IT Angle

    a shock-horror news item

    With due respect to Markie Dussard's very valid point that this entire article is basically a huge troll, I'm going to do my bit for Have Your Say.

    By the way, what's the IT ang... oh, forget it.

    AC:

    "Actually, if one wants to be pedantic about this whole PC nonsense, then we should stop calling them 'women' and refer them as 'men' from now on"

    That's not the joke you think it is. In Old English, 'man' meant a human being, not a *male* human being. To distinguish between the sexes in Old English, you would have to have used the sex-specific terms 'wer' for a male, or 'wyf' for a female. We have the words 'werewolf' and 'wife' to remind us of this distinction (strictly speaking, a woman can't be a werewolf because it specifically means a human male who changes into, or has the characteristics of, a wolf. Sorry, Angua).

    In the few instances in modern English where the supposedly offensive sequence *does* actually refer to a person, and isn't rather derived from 'manus', meaning 'hand' (manual, manipulate, manage, etc), there is an etymological history for the word that legitimises it for use to refer to human beings in general.

    In constructions such as 'manned', meaning 'crewed' or 'staffed', it's arguable whether the term refers to the people doing a job, or to the fact that someone's hand is on the (possibly metaphorical) controls.

    Campbell:

    "FFS people these phrases have been used for countless years if anyone was offended don't you PC nutters think you'd have heard about it by now?"

    The problem is the sacred-cow fallacy that if even one person could potentially be offended by something, then it's universally offensive and should be avoided. It's a very brave person today - especially in councils and other public sector organisations - who'd venture to suggest that maybe, sometimes, it's the *complainant* who's unreasonably oversensitive. Nevertheless, that is sometimes the case.

    But the main point here is that this isn't exactly a shock-horror news item, because it's happened so many times before. In fact, I'm surprised the Reg gave it house room (actually, no I'm not: the Reg is a tabloid, after all).

    Take comfort, though, in the fact that where these stories are true, rather than being occasional re-emergences of urban mythology, the new policies are usually derided by the public and are swiftly forgotten about.

    And finally - Adam Williamson:

    "Knee-jerk reactions to anything at all which attempts to address sexism, racism, or any other form of prejudice as "political correctness" are far more damaging in the long run."

    I disagree. Bear in mind that when initiatives such as this are rolled out - new policies designed to avoid causing offence - it usually isn't the group supposedly vulnerable to offence that's formulated the new policy.

    For example, when councils and educational authorities replace, as they supposedly do from time to time, a certain black sheep with green sheep or rainbow sheep, it's usually *not* because black people have complained. Rather, it's because some self-serving (white) council drone angling for a diversity award has decided to take it upon him- or herself to decide what black people are offended by.

    Likewise, on those occasions where nativity plays and other Christmas traditions are discouraged on the grounds that they might offend the Muslims, you can bet it's not a Muslim that's come up with the idea. But you can equally bet that it's Muslims who'll cop the blame and the derision.

    And this is why these moves are dangerous: they create resentment between communities and groups of people. People don't like change, as a rule - especially change that's forced on them. If nativity plays are banned in the name of Muslim sensibilities, then people are going to resent Muslims - even though it wasn't their idea. These moves create friction. The friction is the price of change. If the rewards of change are significant enough then they're worth paying that price. But in this case, I very much doubt that enough benefit will be gained to outweigh the loss of credibility with the public.

    It's not that people dispute the overall sentiment: they question how and why it's being done in the way it is, and whether this sort of council activity represents efficient and effective government.

    --

    * By which I mean those women (usually) who do the cause of feminism incalculable damage by carrying it far beyond its intended goals, and ultimately using it as an excuse to indulge their personal misandry.

  61. AC
    Flame

    and to think,

    someone's taxes were spent to write that report.

    what a fucking joke.

  62. Mike Bell
    Paris Hilton

    Idiots!

    They would do well to look up the etymology of the word "woman". From the Old English "wifman": wif=wife, man=human being.

    Paris: any man will do. Obviously.

  63. Ascylto

    With twats like them ...

    do we wonder why our Council Taxes are so high?

  64. Jeff Deacon

    Re: I think you'll find..

    Anonymous Coward wrote: 'the correct term is "per-offspring". As "son" is gender specific. Human therefore becomes Huperoffspring.'

    So "Harriet Harperson" becomes "Harriet Harpperoffspring". Yes, that has a suitable ring to it, especially the "off" in the middle.

  65. Terry
    Dead Vulture

    @Mr Larrington RE:7 pages?

    I hope that "This page intentionally left blank" was translated into all 21 languages (inlcuding braille and esperanto).

  66. Richard Porter
    Gates Horns

    “anybody in their right mind”

    Kettle, meet pot!

  67. Anonymous Coward
    Happy

    Page Count

    "Although that makes me wonder what sort of format it could possibly be in, since literature has to consist of either 2, 4, 8, 12, 16 etc. pages."

    Printed on typical local authority laser printer which can't duplex. Now, why haven't the politically-correct, ecologically-aware loonies got legislation which would ban non-duplexing laser printers?

  68. Secretgeek

    I think you'll probably find...

    ..that Mr Colpoly's HAS heard of concetration camps and probably thinks that they they have their uses when dealing with ne'er-do-wells.

    Oh and to everyone winging and bitching about how they're just words and wondering what the problem is I suggest you find the nearest big black guy, engage him in conversation and see how many times you can drop the word 'coon' into the discussion before you end up eating your own testicles.

    Languages change for a reason, a conscious society recognises the inequalities in it and changes accordingly.

  69. elderlybloke
    Paris Hilton

    We have plonkers here too

    I see that you have the same breed of bungling morons infecting your Councils etc. as we have here in New Zealand.

    I spent some years designing Sewers ,and inspecting them,etc, so I have intimate knowledge of shit . It was more appealing than the stuff issued by the

    above admin. creeps

    Icon of a more pleasing thing.

  70. Michael Dunn
    Coat

    Trumpets

    No doubt Copland's "Fanfare for the Common Person" will now sound better. I don't know, though - that title sounds pejorative.

    Mine's the one with the baton in the pocket.

  71. Roger Pearse

    Can't happen in a democracy

    ...but this is one of the things that tell us we live in an oligarchy. Funny how much the oligarchs hate the rest of us. So much, indeed, that they enjoy screwing us around, even though it can't benefit any of them much. Spite feels good, if you have power, tho!

  72. Anonymous Coward
    Paris Hilton

    What's sauce for the goose....

    .....is sauce for the gander. Manchester and its Mancunian population surely represent the most deplorable example of gender bias in the UK.

    But wait, what about the svelte young lady from Chic Hester? That's just downright bloody subversive.

  73. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Ah, got to love...

    @ NT - I think you have just replaced JonB in my affections...which could be a problem for me if you turn out to be a woman.

    @ AC Wed 09.57 - I don't know where your local authority is, but trust me, not only do all our offices have duplexing printers (I'm not saying every printer is a duplex one, just every office has at least one available) but the set up defaults to duplex. Which is fine until you hit print on a run of 500 leaflets (single sided) and forget to turn the option off (hey, I'm human;). Bingo, 250 completely useless leaflets, straight into the green recycling bag. Didn't think about the carbon footprint of that now did they?

    @ NT - Unfortunately I'm now going to have to post this anonymously in case people who work for my authority read this. Still, it could keep you busy for hours trying to figure out who I am...;)

  74. NT

    @ AC

    "@ NT - I think you have just replaced JonB in my affections..."

    Why thank you. I'll read up on JonB's posts to decide whether that's a good thing or not. :o) I'm just annoyed that, having posted early in the morning, I wasn't awake enough to realise that I'd taken out the reference (to 'overfeminists'*) that my asterisked footnote was referring to...

    Take it as read that I wasn't objecting to feminism as a campaign for sexual equality - in fact, I'm very fiercely in favour of equality, but I think it works both ways round. I'm not even opposed to diversity training or the idea of paying due regard to people's sensibilities - in fact I'm bang alongside that idea, too.

    (But I'm not going to argue the toss with Secretgeek because I've already made my points, and if he sees the situation here as the equivalent of going up to a black guy and calling him a 'coon' then I'd suggest that, just like the council in question, he probably needs to work on his sense of perspective.)

    --

    * I could've gone for 'uber-', I know, but I was trying for a sense of 'excessive' rather than 'greater'.

    (I am ridiculously wordy and am now going to shut the f*** up.)

  75. Adam Williamson
    Thumb Down

    @NT

    I would agree with your criticism of my post, except that you've fallen for the Daily Mail bit. The amount of times where the sort of nutty over-enthusiasm you cite has happened are either very small or, possibly, zero - as I recall, the last time the 'nativity banned for dirty towel-heads!' meme cropped up, it turned out to be an urban myth. The Mail and other august institutions *love* to try and find isolated examples of nuttiness like that in order to tar any and all attempts to combat prejudice as "political correctness gone mad". This is what I don't like.

    As I wrote, this is not the same case. The phrase "the man on the street" was expressly designed to be sexist (though of course it wouldn't have been thought of that way at the time), it's not a case where the word is being used in the sense of 'a person'. If you perpetuate the use of the phrase it - in a very small way - perpetuates the mindset of valuing male opinions over female ones. Attempting to replace it with a gender-neutral alternative is - in a very small way - a positive step to take. Not everything has to be a big deal, but that doesn't make it absurd or useless.

    As I noted in the comments on that story (which seems to have now disappeared from the RSS feed...), the same Reg which posted this story poking fun at 'political correctness' over sexism on the grounds that we're all so enlightened we don't need it any more posted a story on the same day which featured this gem of an opening sentence (and no, amazingly, it wasn't intended to be sarcastic):

    "If the Missus always nags you to help her with the cleaning, she’ll faint when you offer to vaccum (sic) the whole house."

    Yes, sure, we don't need to fight sexism any more. Good job, Reg.

  76. NT

    @ Adam Williamson

    As you said:

    "the last time the 'nativity banned for dirty towel-heads!' meme cropped up, it turned out to be an urban myth."

    And as I said:

    "where these stories are true, rather than being occasional re-emergences of urban mythology"

    Maybe I should've said "wherever" rather than "where", because it could've been read as "whereas".

    Otherwise I stand by my comments, and my view of the damage that overzealous enforcement of communication standards can cause.

    "it's not a case where the word is being used in the sense of 'a person'"

    Yes, it is used in *precisely* that sense.

    "we don't need to fight sexism any more"

    No, if it's all the same to you, I'm going to continue to oppose it as I always do. But I'll direct my efforts to the battles that are worth fighting.

  77. John Dougald McCallum

    @ Neil Greatorex

    This crap has got nothing to do wiv Nu Labour it's a TORY strong hold allways has been allways will be,with a smattering of LibDems and Independants oh and a few biggots

  78. Glenn Charles
    Black Helicopters

    being a goat

    I have once again been discriminated against. That, and my lack of proper use of English, I mean.

    --Glenn

  79. Bob. Hitchen
    Paris Hilton

    More looney tunes

    "We introduced the guide because as community leaders we must be aware of what modern society requires of the public sector."

    Like providing efficient cost effective services happen not spending time on crap. I don't care if the bin men(I ain't seen many women!) are fat; what their race/religion is or even their sexuality - only time I'll notice them is when they don't do their job.

    Paris because bin men are dirty and smelly but good at humping.

  80. Anonymous Coward
    Joke

    Breaking news...

    The incidence of broken limbs in Chichester has increased substantially since the removal of non-compliant manhole covers. Following a heated meeting between the local council and the HSA it has been decreed that the covers be replaced immediately and as a compromise re-named "arsehole covers" in honour of Abigail Arsehole, the official responsible for the original decision. Abigail can be contacted at abigail@feminazi.me.

  81. andrew moore
    Go

    Damn the 'man'

    Next thing will be to ban the infamous James Brown classic (its a mans world) - pah!

  82. Anonymous Coward
    Stop

    Man boobs

    Ok, If I see a male member of the species who is kilogram challenged, I would often refer to them having Man Boobs.

    However, now I not I cannot use the word Man, so they become non-gender-specific boobs.

    Could this not lead to some rather confusing and embarrassing situations?

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