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  1. Slaine
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    There is a definite gap opening between America and Europe ...

    ... not least of all - the cost of getting between the two.

  2. Will Godfrey Silver badge
    Unhappy

    @Slaine

    Not forgetting having to go through two lots of of highly paranoid and invasive sets of security.

  3. Michael Sheils

    This is rather superb

    Now e just need FOX to post a story on it's news channel over there where the source is a ROTM article so we can have the War of the World hilarity all over again. :)

  4. Ted Treen
    Unhappy

    Just Americans???

    After 10+ years of a liberal elite pseudo-socialist government in the UK, and 30-odd years of an undemocratic unelected federal corrupt bureaucracy foisted upon us by lying politicians, it ain't just Americans who can't afford to live here - us poor bloody natives can't, either.

  5. Solomon Grundy

    @Slaine

    Yes, you are correct there is a gap between America and Europe. Some of us choose to call that gap the "Atlantic Ocean", but you may call it whatever makes you feel good inside.

  6. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    A definite gap?

    We call it the sea, old bean.

  7. Gerhard den Hollander
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    Congratulations

    Next up on your to-do list for glory , being name dropped by Neal Stephenson

  8. Chronos Silver badge
    Boffin

    Re: Gap

    Be fair, the two places are getting further away from each other. Just don't take your new laptop with you. It'll save you about a grand buying another one (or two if you're daft enough to buy one over there and try to bring it back).

    Boffin icon? Well, plate tectonics, Mid Atlantic Ridge and all that boring geological stuff...

  9. Mike Richards

    Sterling's next novel - exclusive behind the scenes preview

    It's the thrilling fast-paced adventures of N - a cybernetically enhanced supermodel whose anger-management chip failed after she was trapped in an exploding cyberloo. Pursued across Europe by the Laguna deathsquads, her only hope lies with Professor KW, the British pioneer of the cyborg society. I've heard there's also a hot, hot, hot sex scene with sulty transatlantic temptress P and an intelliDyson.

  10. I. Aproveofitspendingonspecificprojects
    Joke

    > There is a definite gap opening between America and Europe ...

    And it's called the North Atlantic.

    We send them your tired, our poor, our huddled masses and some underaged not-Talibanii and they send us bad weather and pictures of Darth Vadar's mam:

    http://staging.michaelmoore.com/_images/splash/almostseetheblood.jpg

  11. Bad Beaver

    that gap...

    ... they call it "The Ocean".

  12. Anonymous Coward
    Coat

    Talk about old news..!

    Yes, and it's been getting worse every day since the Triassic!

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mid-Atlantic_Ridge#Geology

  13. greg

    Quite frankly, who's here too lazy to change the settings about title needed ?

    "There are things Europe has to offer that are harbingers for the general human future,"

    Yep. Lethal skunk !

    "There is a definite gap opening between America and Europe in terms of coverage because Americans can't afford to live there."

    Yep. No coverage here for a loan when you got 0 income. No exception (yet?) for US citizen.

  14. ImaGnuber

    For truth about Europe, read The Reg

    Just don't read the comments or you'll walk away thinking it's just one big cesspool of despair, cynicism, and bitter paranoia.

    And then there is The Moderatrix...

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  16. Charley
    Black Helicopters

    Now you're getting me worried.

    If the Atlantic is getting wider, does that mean the Pacific is getting narrower?

    Alarm! Alarm!! The Yanks are coming!! To The Hills!!

  17. Seán

    Wow

    Bruce Sterling, he's sulky but he's good, just like elReg.

  18. Shane McCarrick

    What differences?

    To say there is a definite gap opening up between Europe and the US- is bullshit of the highest order. The US, who love to advertise themselves as a "melting pot" try to portray a homogenous vision of what being an American is- to the rest of the world. Europe on the other hand, is not cut from the same cloth. We are 27 different nations- some of whom chum up to their neighbours, others of whom have nasty memories of being invaded and governed by others (by the way its Norway, even if its not an EU member, I had in mind there- but there are numerous other examples, many closer to home). We have the socialist nirvana of the Scandinavian countries- but mind boggling taxes, which are actually paid when due, thanks to a widespread tradition of conformity- versus a me-too French model- but no-one wants to work, or pay taxes- versus the bizzare black market the further South and East we go......

    To try to reconcile a gulf between the US and the EU is nigh impossible- as the gulf between the different EU states far exceeds any common ground we have with each other, never mind with our cousins across the water.

    Have you ever tried reading the EU constitution- commonly known as the Lisbon Treaty (since those ingrates in France and the Netherlands saw fit to vote down the original version........) Compare it to either the French declaration of rights- or indeed the US constitution. The caveats have caveats attached to them- and precedents both in previous treaties, regulations and judgements, have fleeting mentions randomly scattered around the document to so obsfusciate the document that it is meaningless to an EU citizen. Meanwhile- only the Irish are allowed to vote on the EU constitution- as the politicians don't trust their own citizens elsewhere to vote in favour of it (they were unable to overturn an Irish Supreme Court Judgement requiring a referendum- but at least with the Irish- if they don't vote the right way- the government will send them back to do it again and again until they do (as happened with previous EU treaties (notably the Nice Treaty)). Ever wonder why Gordon Brown hasn't put the EU Constitution up to public scrutiny and a vote in the UK- because it hasn't a snowballs chance in hell of passing public scrutiny- thats why.......

    Meanwhile- the EU presidency's of Slovenia and France have colluded to avoid any contentious issues arising in early 2008, trying to keep the EU off the radar as much as possible (the average person on the street has the memory of a gnat after all). How long will it be before our EU does in fact begin to resemble the US- with a common agricultural policy, a common taxation policy, police forces that can aprehend beyond their own territories (along the lines of the FBI), a common intelligence agency (the US presume interpol to be the poor cousin of their agencies anyhow- along with the national agencies particularly of the UK, France and German).......

    You know- if he comes back in 10 years time, while it might not be a policestate, the differences between the US and the EU might be purely cosmetic........

  19. pctechxp
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    @Mike Richards

    Will be off to the cinema to see that if its ever made into a film :)

    Hopefully the gorgeous Halle Berry will play N and the equally stunning Cameron Diaz to play P?

    John Cleese to play KW because he's such a joke?

    C'MON George Lucas, you know you want to make it!

  20. Frank Bough
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    Don't forget the Azores

    I'd like to point out that the Azores actually straddle the mid-Atlantic ridge, so Europe and America AREN'T actually moving apart - the Azores archipelago is simply getting more spread out.

  21. Seán

    @Shane Mc

    The Nice treaty had a load of militarism in it and the Irish voters rejected it because it is a neutral country. When that clause was whipped out the treaty was passed by an overwhelming majority. That's democracy for you.

    Your average EU citizen can apply themselves to their education and get all the way through University regardless of background. That's just not available to people pretty much everywhere else. What more do you want? Unless you really do want to be mollycoddled from cradle to grave.

    The US constitution is regarded as a holy sacred document written by gods messengers to man, by their more primitive descendants. It's so badly written and useless that the only good bit is an amendment.

  22. Anonymous Coward
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    El Reg commentaries

    Good God! If the Reg comments are representative of EU opinion, we are all dammed. In any case, why do the Dutch care about the Welsh or the Lithuanians about the signage in Late New Old Cornish? I suspect El Reg (lovely as it is) flatters itself.

  23. WarrenG

    I quite like the idea...

    Of a european superstate, it's only a matter of time when the strategic interest in natural resources by the US and China would upset european economic progress. This is why a superstate with trans border laws and regulations is essential for us to move forward, I guess back in the early days of the American revolution the Texans were also against the idea of a Federal Europe, you don't really want the UK to end up like Texas do you? 65% of the population is obese, the borders are largely ineffective...oh wait :P

  24. Ron Eve
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    @Shane McCarrick

    Spot on mate, IMHO.

    If it's not already your career you might be a political commentator...

  25. TeeCee Gold badge
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    Wow!

    "Really trying to figure out what the EU does is really hard - and boring"

    Over here we call that "stating the bleedin' obvious". Yet another example of the gap in understanding if that's supposed to be an insight.

    The trouble for any observers these days is that all the really useful, exciting stuff (free trade, border control, military cooperation, cross-border taxation regulations, screwing over the third world by providing generous farm subsidies internally etc.) has been done and it now whiles away it's time debating the length of the EU standard nail, the colour of underpants the proposed EU president is allowed to wear on a Tuesday and other such matters of earth-shaking importance.

  26. Khaptain Silver badge
    Coat

    that gap...

    Is called "CULTURE"

    Mine's the one with "NRA" and a target on the back.....

  27. Teh Tom

    @Daniel Simeone

    Nunavut? No wait, Newfie, eh!

  28. Peyton
    Happy

    It's refreshing to see

    Some posters acknowledging that the pessimist posts are not always widely believed and can be misleading - when you encounter them enough, it's hard not to start and wonder just where the "merry" in merry old England came from :p

    @Shane McCarrick - Melting pot? Nah - I prefer "mixed salad" If you travel around a bit over here, you'll find the tomato parts still taste tomatoey, the cheese parts are still cheesy, with lots of bland lettuce filling in the gaps

    @ImaGnuber - Surely what is written by The Moderatrix is, by default, the truth ;)

  29. Anonymous Coward
    Paris Hilton

    "There is a definite gap opening between America and Europe ... "

    it's growing by about 3" a year

    Paris,...... cos she's used to short things getting bigger ;p

  30. Stephen
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    @Peyton

    The 'merry' was always intended ironically. My feeling is that anyone with any gumption got up and left England - all that are left seem to be spineless oiks who spend their time whining about how crap everything is and how they'll treat everyone else the same way while they complain about the demise of civil society and how awful the weather is.

    At least the yanks can fake politeness.

    Of course I'm an Australian (though sadly no convict heritage) so you can just ignore me until I buy all your newspapers/tv stations/governments.

  31. Martin Usher

    American's connected to other parts of the world...

    America's (that's the US) has a lot of historical ties to Europe but increasingly the newer ones are to Central and South American and Asia. So its not surprising that Europe is fading a bit.

    I'll take issue with the US Constitution being 'badly written'. Its actually rather clever for the year. The Constiution proper is more like the articles of incorporation of a late 18th company, its missing the Bill of Rights (the first set of Amendments).

  32. Steve

    @ @ Peyton

    "My feeling is that anyone with any gumption got up and left England - all that are left seem to be spineless oiks who spend their time whining about how crap everything is and how they'll treat everyone else the same way while they complain about the demise of civil society and how awful the weather is."

    Well, them and the Australians serving behind the bar.

  33. FlatSpot

    @Martin Usher

    "America's (that's the US) has a lot of historical ties to Europe but increasingly the newer ones are to Central and South American and Asia. So its not surprising that Europe is fading a bit."

    Possibly something to do with oil reserves in non-opec countries??

  34. Danny

    @ FlatSpot

    More a matter of where our immigrants are coming from these days.

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