Just following orders
I'd read in the newspapers that the junior had sent the CDs on the orders of several senior managers. If this is the case, then the junior shouldn't be attacked by anyone, but the managers who ordered him/her to do this.
UK police are to stop searching for the missing child benefit CDs early next week. Chancellor Alistair Darling is to announce measures on Monday to prevent a repeat performance of the data loss, and will call a halt to the search. The search was downgraded last week from 47 detectives to 32. At the same time, a £20,000 reward …
If my boss told me to mail the Finance database backup tapes via second class post, or send the unsecured medical records for the entire student population of the school on a black CD to another dept, i'd report him to his superiours for Incompetance. These Managers should know how to operate properly, and if not then they shouldn't be in the job. I know for a fact my boss wouldn't ask me to do this, by the way.
This Junior hasn't got a leg to stand on, unless he was deliberately mislead.
Well, we know they can't find terrorists, although they can manage to shoot people who aren't terrorists.
So, now they've got an easier task, but it seems they couldn't find some CDs ether :-)
Perhaps they should be asked an easier one, oh I don't know, "Does anyone here know their own name?".
On a more serious note, they (the government) should stop using the police as a political tool, let them catch criminals, pay them more, give them better working conditions and show them more respect. Then we can ask more of them.
Yep, I'd also read somewhere that it was the Senior Managers that had:
1. Insisted on sending the full DB despite the request being for a subset of data;
2. Authorised the Junior to copy the DB onto the CDs;
3. Authorised the despatch via a courier - without requiring signatures at either end.
4. Done this at least 3 times, including the two occassions when the CDs were lost...! (What were they thinking? - third time lucky?)
So, naturally, in this professional, responsible, open, accountable agency, its all the Junior's fault. Lets roast his ass for Christmas so that he doesn't do it again (trust a Senior manager that is)
Why the hell were all these police called in anyway. They're going to be no better looking behind desks than anyone else.
Again the government is spinning and passing the blame about in the hope everyone loses interest. Just like the F&M whihc each time they blame on the private vaccine lab before months later (today in the second case) admitting was down to their own failings.
Gordon needs to attend a management course. There he will be issued with a teflon coat so that nothing sticks to him and also taught how to duck at high speed. It is common knowledge that managment is only responsible when things go well, and a key element of the course is how to take this responsibility and avoid the rest.
To be honest if I were this office junior I'd go totally public, and completely rubbish my bosses and HMRC for their procedures and for making a scapegoat of me. They've clearly managed to terrify him into silence by telling him he is going to carry the can for this unless he accepts their "protection".
The ethical thing for the junior to do is to tell his former bosses to fsck themselves, go on Newsnight and give them every sorry detail of the story.
The same government organisation running the CSA could be asked to take over. Then we are all screwed.
The system is rotten to the core, some poor clerk gets scape goated for institutional stupidity. If it were private sector people would be fired, directors would be walking out. Gotta love the civil service and MP's
can't be trusted to look after people. (H&S, Whites can be targets of racism too)
can't be trusted to look after other peoples property. (Anyone who lives here)
can't be trusted to look after valuables. (Health, education, Law...)
can't be trusted to protect us. (underfunded Army, RAF, Navy, customs, police)
can't be trusted to organise efficiently. (CSA, MOD, HMRC, olympics,)
can't be trusted to spend other peoples money wisely. (tax payers money)
can't be trusted to be honest. (Now exempt from the freedom of speech act)
can't be trusted to act responsibly. (Dewsbury MP 150,000 in expenses)
can't be trusted to look after old people (limited heating allowance, tv licence)
can't be trusted to look after criminals (rapist walks free, all have colour TV's)
can't be trusted to after the nation (join the white house on his mad quests)
...And people vote for them to run the country.
"Darling is also expected to announce some kind of centralised system to reassure people that data lost won't be used for fraud. "
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAA HAHAHAHAGHAHAHAHAHAHA AHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA AHAHAHHAHAHAAAA
On the point of underfunded military - I'm sure they'd have plenty of money if our government weren't fighting pointless, endless conflicts in foreign lands. I agree with all the other points though lol.
Anyway there really does need to be a non political department for IT that has representitives in all camps. Not just a guy selected by the PM with no team. Becouse honestly MP's and government departments have no clue, they're like middle management buying into every idea any snake oil salesman is pushing and spending our money on it.
Matt - "Well, we know they can't find terrorists, although they can manage to shoot people who aren't terrorists"
...give them their dues, theyve been professional enough this time around to not shoot people who arent CDROMS!
Peter - Great post, and you put the whole thing in perspective. This way the government get 22m people on a database that can then be "expanded" at a later date to cover biometric data, after all, how will they know its a legitimate person or an impersonator if the biometric data isnt there. Then the next stage is to add everyone else onto this database, for our own good, to prevent further fraud...
National ID database through the back door anyone?
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What you've neglected to note is that most people in this country did NOT vote for the government.
However an extensive policy of gerrymandering and election-based policies (i.e., the targetting of marginal seat constituencies with sweeteners paid for by everybody else) has allowed them to stay in power.
...is that a "junior" had the access to this kind of data in the first place. In most large corporates I've contracted, where security is taken seriously, access to a complete financial dataset like this is restricted to senior, vetted managers. Only selected bits of the data is ever made available to "juniors".
All that said, it does appear more and more likely that the intelligence report on Iraq, may well have been complied by a cleaner at the MOD... :-)
As TNT were used, the government can claim back the cost of the missing package, plus delivery. Let me see. TNT are liable for the basic cost of the contents (i.e., two CDRs at 20p each), and assuming the delivery costs total around 60p, the government can claim a whole quid compensation.
That should bring some comfort to the people who are listed on the CDRs, shouldn't it?
Plastic mac donned --> exit
I doubt they have been taken by anyone with the knowledge of using them.
I mean in my room i had about 100 CD's with no real identifying marks on them and I have no idea whats on them so I just ditched them. Obviously didnt have anything important on for me to remember. So I think they have been destroyed somehow, or are in a pile somewhere where someone will say at a later date "destroy this crap who needs it".. obviously jokes on them as they are burning 20k :D
I can't really believe that the government's IT dept. allows anyone with access to this sort of info to have a operating CD burner/usb stick/whatever on their PC.
Amazing that the clerk also wasn't aware of the implications of what he/she was doing.
I wonder why they didn't do the transfer by a electronic secure FTP/WebDAV/whatever file transfer method?
I'd kick their IT dept. - hard.
...does it have to be said that there are no missing CDs.
They were never created.
Usual excuse for forgetting to do something, must have got lost in the post.
Now with all the hoo-haa the person who never made the CDs can't admit that they lied about making them and even if they did, none of the conspiracy theorists would believe it anyway.
Nobody's raided my bank account (or anyone else's) yet, so I think it's safe to say we can move along. Usual opposition political point scoring and media hype story.
Lord Lucan and Madeleine McCann are using them as coasters while they take tea with Radovan Karadzic.
"Darling is also expected to announce some kind of centralised system to reassure people that data lost won't be used for fraud." Very significant wording here - it's not to ensure that data loss won't be used for fraud, which would be a sensible use of taxpayers money, it's to *reassure* people that it won't be, which is PR - essentially the taxpayer is paying so that Labour can have a chance at winning the next election. That applies to virtually anything the government does. Billions of pounds are spent to reassure us that:
- the NHS will take care of us when we're sick (in fact you go in with a cut on your arm and leave with two missing limbs after they were amputated due to MSRA)
- the police will stop you getting raped, murdered or mugged (in fact they're too busy harrassing motorists, tasering comatose diabetics and executing electricians IRA-style while lobbying politicians for the right to do even more of it)
- the army will protect us from foreign powers (when they're off acting as human shields for the Americans, the entire budget goes on solar-powered night vision goggles from BAE and its ilk, and if you are, to take a hypothetical example, kidnapped by a foreign power, thrown into a concentration camp and tortured day after day for years on end, the government will do f***-all because of the 'special relationship' with said foreign power)
- our children will receive a decent level of education (Blair's policy to get 50% of them into university only revealed that they'd all left school unable to read or write, not in English anyway)
- and so on and so on and so on.
"downgraded last week from 47 detectives to 32", "£20,000 reward"
Do these idiots really not have the most basic clue? I despair. What will it take to persuade them that IT DOESN'T MATTER WHERE THE MEDIA IS - the media's irrelevant. The data is the important thing - and it must be considered to be compromised.
Perhaps scariest - what happens if/when they do find the CDs? Do they say "Oh, that's OK, then. The data's safe again"...? How many man-hours are being wasted on this farce?
"Darling is also expected to announce some kind of centralised system to reassure people that data lost won't be used for fraud. " I take it that "it's to be renamed the 'ID card database' as soon as we can feasibly get away with it" can be taken as read....
As for the alleged victim, there's a good reason why "I was only following orders" wasn't an acceptable defence at Nuremburg either. The first thing you need in order to put a Police State in place is for everyone (or at least a decent-sized majority) to follow orders without asking any inconvenient questions like "Isn't it a bad idea to put all this data in the post?", "Isn't it wrong to chuck bricks through these people's windows?" and "What are those nice, cheap lampshades really made of?". He deserves to be sacked. The only injustice here is that those who told him to do it also richly deserve to be sacked, but they probably won't be.
The mystery to me here is that, being a good little sheep, he wasn't promoted by the current junta. They need people like that to make their edifice of shite run smoothly.
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