back to article No fandango for you: EU boots UK off Galileo satellite project

It's official: the UK is going to be booted off the Galileo satellite GPS program as a result of Brexit, despite furious protestations from Britain that it's a special case. The decision was reached by all 27 member states of Europe at a meeting on Tuesday and was confirmed in a slide deck [PDF] released on Wednesday. Just …

  1. John Smith 19 Gold badge
    Unhappy

    Yup..due to rules that the UK rammed through on behalf of the USA to keep China out of Gallileo.

    I'm starting to see why in Chinese the UK is referred to as America's "Running dog."

    Y'know, the kind that even though it's been kicked a few times, starved and whacked over the head with an iron bar by its master, still comes up and rubs itself against them, hoping for some show of love and affection.

    Truly a "special" relationship.

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  3. JimmyPage Silver badge
    FAIL

    RE: Essentially, the EU are denying the UK a secure future.

    By request of .... The UK.

  4. Vimes

    Re: EU Are Being Vindictive

    Didn't the UK have a hand in writing the rules that said that non-EU states shouldn't be given this level of access? And that's precisely what we'll be after Brexit: a non-EU state. No amount of negotiation or fanciful plans will change that.

    Now the EU is being vindictive because it's following rules that we helped lay down? Seriously?

  5. Frumious Bandersnatch Silver badge

    Re: EU Are Being Vindictive

    This shows the true nature of the EU bureaucrats - vindictive.

    I think that you'll find that bureaucrats (everywhere) are not paid to be vindictive. They are paid to be consistent. That's how bureaucracy works---"computer says no."

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  7. Vimes

    Re: EU Are Being Vindictive

    Are you honestly expecting the EU to give non-EU states the sort of control over its own systems that the US refuses to share with others when it comes to its own GPS systems even if they are NATO allies?

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  9. Aitor 1 Silver badge

    Re: EU Are Being Vindictive

    The EU can give access to the secure code to non eu, but will not give the keys to non eu military as they are a security risk with different goals. So not trustworthy in the long run.

    Are we given access to the us scrambling/descrambling technology? I dont think so.. and we do want they want us to do..

    Basically we have decided to get divorced, and now we are complaining that our ex would not give us the keys to the house in the beach.

  10. David Webb

    Re: EU Are Being Vindictive

    Because Brexit = Brexit, it doesn't mean "leave but keep all the advantages that we have when we're part of the EU". The majority voted, this is what they voted for, for us to leave the EU and the EU institutions because some guy with a foreign sounding name (Farage and the like) come over here and do jobs for minimum wage that lazy twats over here refuse to do because it's hard work.

  11. anothercynic Silver badge

    Re: EU Are Being Vindictive

    Shadmeister, please. Stop playing the "Oh but the EU are being baddies!" card. It is so beneath you. Come up with something better.

  12. anothercynic Silver badge

    Re: EU Are Being Vindictive

    If that is what we would've wanted, then that's what we would've negotiated when the Galileo project rules were written. But we didn't. WE were the ones saying "NO non-EU state should have PRS". We insisted on it. Now the EU is applying *exactly* that rule and you don't like it and say "But NATO states should perhaps have it"? Bollocks.

    Suck it up, princess.

  13. Rob D. Bronze badge
    Pint

    Re: EU Are Being Vindictive

    > Suck it up, princess.

    Worth a beer. For you, not the princess.

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  15. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

    Re: EU Are Being Vindictive

    "We paid our share for the development etc., - if we don't get that back then we should be allowed to decode the PRS signal."

    You may thing we should but that's just your personal view. The reality is that unless the contracts were written that way that can't happen.

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  17. Chris 3

    Re: EU Are Being Vindictive

    I'm sure they'll let the UK pay to use it, if it's a key part of our defence.

  18. Nick Kew Silver badge

    Re: EU Are Being Vindictive

    I think the EU is a good idea, but as shown by Angela Merkel's response to David Cameron (no to temp stop on immigration),

    At the heart of that is the biggest lie. The part of immigration that everyone hated - the ability to live (partially) on benefits, and to get things like NHS treatment - were never part of EU rules. Cameron never needed Merkel's permission to fix perverse UK rules that had (still have) the side-effect of giving unpopular benefits to EU citizens in the UK.

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  21. Nick Kew Silver badge

    Re: EU Are Being Vindictive

    Did Cameron not ask to implement s temporary halt to immigration into the UK ?

    No.

  22. heyrick Silver badge

    Re: EU Are Being Vindictive

    "and we all are subject to the same threats as the EU countries"

    Funny how all this "better in it together" was a bad thing during the referendum when the populace wanted to "take back control", but now that the dust is settling and it's becoming clear what the consequences are, suddenly "better in it together" is more like a desperate plea.

    There's actually a fairly easy fix for all of this - call off Brexit. But, wait, can you see Dacre and Rees-Mogg accepting that?

  23. HPCJohn

    Re: EU Are Being Vindictive

    Nick, so true.

    Just go and live in any EU country. You have freedom of movement after all.

    After three months you can be thrown back out of you do not have a job or proof that you can support yourself. But the UK press conveniently forgot that one in the hysteria about immigrants.

    The UK press also convenienty conflate people from outwith the EU with people from the EU.

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  26. Mooseman Bronze badge

    Re: EU Are Being Vindictive

    "the UK should therefore NOT pay the EU for future commitments - because hey, we are now not in it together."

    You keep repeating this mantra despite everyone pointing out the basic flaw. Galileo has a specific caveat (written at our insistence) that no non-EU country can use it or the signals from it. On the other hand, the UK has committed to paying in to existing EU projects for the next few years, hence the "divorce bill".

  27. Hans 1 Silver badge
    Unhappy

    Re: EU Are Being Vindictive

    We HAVE paid for it, so we should be able to USE it.

    I agree, who we're gonna call ?

    They have the say, we don't, sad and unfair all we want, they do not want other nations to follow suit so will milk us to the bone, in a sense they have no choice, either ... Whose fault ? Ours, sadly ...

  28. Mark Dempster

    Re: EU Are Being Vindictive

    >Did Cameron not ask to implement s temporary halt to immigration into the UK ? and Angela Merkel refused ?<

    I don't believe he did, no. But did YOU know (most leaver's don't seem to) that EU rules specifically state that any EU migrant can be expelled from a country if they don't have a job sfter 3 months? The UK just chose not to impose that rule. And that would surely have removed the complaint that 'they come over here for benefits and housing', wouldn't it?

  29. arctic_haze Silver badge

    Re: EU Are Being Vindictive

    "Now the EU is being vindictive because it's following rules that we helped lay down? Seriously?"

    It is just another example of the UK politicians thinking Britain is "special" and above the rules it itself helped to set up.

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  31. Vimes

    Re: EU Are Being Vindictive @heyrick

    There's a word for people that promote and intentionally follow a course of action they know will cause harm to their country. It's one that the likes of the daily mail is rather fond of using when it suits them: traitor.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/06/13/tory-mp-jacob-rees-mogg-defends-setting-hedge-fund-branch-ireland/

  32. Alan Brown Silver badge

    Re: EU Are Being Vindictive

    "Basically we have decided to get divorced, and now we are complaining that our ex would not give us the keys to the house in the beach."

    And of course, we came to the marriage pretty abjectly penniless in the first place and have been an abusive partner the entire time, even when the partner was patching up our sick economy.

  33. Alan Brown Silver badge

    Re: EU Are Being Vindictive

    "We the British do abide by the rules, and we are punished for it."

    Including the rule about "Non-EU members are NOT allowed access to the military PRS signal"

  34. Alan Brown Silver badge

    Re: EU Are Being Vindictive

    "But, wait, can you see Dacre and Rees-Mogg accepting that?"

    Dacre and Rees-Mogg are rubbing their hands in glee at the thought of being able to throw out the inconveniences of things like the European Declaration of human rights (penned by British and American lawyers and not part of the EU's purview anyway)

    The factor that "once out, going back in will involve all those special deals that we currently have won't be on the table anymore"hasn't sprung to mind, nor that in order to trade with the EU we're going to have to abide by their rules anyway.

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  36. Vimes

    Re: EU Are Being Vindictive @shadmeister

    So basically it's still undefined. Anything not tested in court is essentially little more than an opinion however informed it may or may not be. There are other opinions too. Even your own link says so. See the following article as an example:

    https://www.ft.com/content/72252768-47de-11e8-8ae9-4b5ddcca99b3

    On one hand you're accusing the EU of being vindictive merely by plainly following the rules *WE LAID DOWN*. On the other you suggest we should bend the rules as far as possible - maybe even beyond breaking point - purely to serve our own selfish interests and make a point.

    And yet you still think the EU are the ones trying to be vindictive? Really?

    It's also entirely possible that the EU will come up with projects or organisations in the future that the UK will want to join. What do you think the likelihood is of this happening will be if we've proven ourselves to be unreliable in the past?

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  38. Roland6 Silver badge

    Re: EU Are Being Vindictive

    @Shadmeister - your argument falls apart as soon as you remember the default position of the Brexit nutters was for the UK to walk away with no deal; this option is still on the table as T.May et al like to remind everyone when things aren't going their way...

  39. Roland6 Silver badge

    Re: EU Are Being Vindictive

    >But, wait, can you see Dacre and Rees-Mogg accepting that?

    We could resurrect the traditional English custom of Hanging, drawing and quartering of such people and put their remains (and those of other 'traitors') on display beside roads across the country...

  40. Roland6 Silver badge

    Re: EU Are Being Vindictive

    >>Did Cameron not ask to implement s temporary halt to immigration into the UK ?

    I believe he did until it was pointed out that the UK wasn't using the powers already available to it to manage the movement of EU workers and people...

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  43. strum Silver badge

    Re: EU Are Being Vindictive

    >this is about security

    Yes it is. Why should the EU trust the UK?

  44. strum Silver badge

    Re: EU Are Being Vindictive

    >should we not therefore action the non-payment approach where legally possibly -

    God, no. That would mark us as a delinquent debtor, making it near impossible to do business with anyone. No-one trusts someone who tries to wheedle out of their debts.

  45. Roland6 Silver badge

    Re: EU Are Being Vindictive

    >A clean slate approach worked from WTO is probably more efficient.

    FYI, whilst the UK and the EU are members of the WTO, only the EU28 has a WTO 'slate', currently post-Brexit both the EU27 and UK will have clean WTO 'slates' - the one thing ALL the other members of the WTO are agreed on is that the EU27 and UK can't simply take the EU28 slate...

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  47. John Smith 19 Gold badge
    WTF?

    I think the UK should build its own system

    Wow.

    Suggested by someone with absolutely no idea what a global navigation system costs or build and/or launch.

  48. John Smith 19 Gold badge
    Thumb Up

    Suck it up, princess.

    Nice.

    They asked for Brexit.

    They got Brexit.

    Now they can own it.

  49. John Smith 19 Gold badge
    Unhappy

    Cameron never needed Merkel's permission to fix perverse UK rules

    This smells like more of the handiwork of The Home Office, the UK's designated "Centre for Evil"

    Once again blaming someone else for their s**t.

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