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A woman armed with a handgun shot three people at the headquarters of YouTube today, police say. She was later found dead seemingly after turning the gun on herself. The shooting happened just before 1pm Pacific Time at the video-sharing giant's offices in San Bruno, California, the city's cops confirmed to El Reg. San …

  1. Prst. V.Jeltz Silver badge
    Facepalm

    Re: @Prst. V.Jeltz

    ~$200K-USD fine because they didn't plant 50% of their yard in grass

    Tim , and Tom ,

    I stand corrected! apologies for exclaiming bullshit so abruptly

    steep fine!

  2. Alistair Silver badge
    Windows

    @tim292stro:

    You do realize that the entirety of your commentary means that rampant gun ownership is not required to overthrow a tyrannical government, and is thus a brilliant argument for gun control?

  3. Omgwtfbbqtime Silver badge
    Holmes

    "Nothing is as easy or effective suicide wise as guns"

    A warm bath, a couple of aspirin and a sharp blade to the femoral is pretty damn easy and effective as a suicide method, plus you dont get the botch where they flinch as they pull the trigger and end up alive but maimed and brain damaged.

    Ditto driving a car full of your nearest and dearest* off a cliff.

    * For a given value of near and dear.

  4. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Re: "Nothing is as easy or effective suicide wise as guns"

    OK personal anecdote time.

    About 6 years ago I was severely depressed and on occasion suicidal, I actually thought out quite a few scenarios.

    Walking out into traffic? Not reliable enough, too great a chance of failure.

    Overdose? I actually tried this, came to my senses halfway through punching out tablets (hence why pill bottles are banned I guess)

    Cut wrists/artery? Too squeamish, can't even get a vaccine or blood test without flinching and going woozy.

    Suicide by Cop? Our Police aren't regularly armed and are trained with an emphasis on de-escalation (thankyou Mr Peel).

    Jump from a tall building/bridge? The walk to the bridge sobered me up, tall building roofs aren't generally publicly available.

    To this day I wonder what would have happened if I'd owned/had easy access to a gun. Suicide can be a surprisingly impulsive decision and I was lucky enough that in my more vulnerable moments I had time to come around before I did anything serious.

  5. Uncle Slacky Silver badge

    > The article states it was higher for both February and March of 2018. Not a good start for the year.

    Per capita it's still lower (London's population is higher than New York's).

  6. s2bu

    @d3vy

    Biometric, it takes a mere second to open it, and it's already loaded and ready to go.

  7. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    ""Majority of all gun deaths are suicides and accidents"

    Which wouldnt be in the many thousands without easy access to guns.

    The underyling US gun homicide rate is still competive with active war zones and the worst third world countries."

    Definitions, definitions, definitions.

    In many statistics, invariably including those used by gun controllers, 'homicide' includes suicide, but it is then compared to 'murder' somewhere else, which does not.

    This triples the number associated with guns, which is good for propaganda.

    And the idea that people cannot kill themselves without guns is straight out stupid.

    The suicide rate in the US is not much different than France, and less than Sweden or Finland or Japan (with incredibly restrictive gun laws), Hungary, Belgium, several Baltic states, or Poland.

    "low gun" Australia achieves 85% of the US suicide rate.

    Like murder, suicide does not track with the availability of guns.

  8. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    "Guns are specifically designed to kill and have no other purpose."

    Let's spare a moment for the reality challenged among us.

    Saying excessively stupid things does nothing for one's argument.

    And all it takes is one counter-example to falsify an absolute statement.

    It gives me great pleasure to own more than one expensive firearm designed solely for the purpose of putting holes in paper targets during sporting competitions.

    The Olympic versions can be VERY expensive.

  9. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    "Nothing is as easy or effective suicide wise as guns."

    Step off a tall building or a bridge.

    Run the car in a garage.

    Take a bottle of sleeping pills, or acetomenophen (this last not recommended!!)

    Climb a residential power pole, or touch the wire with a metal rod or pipe.

    Breath hydrogen sulfide.

    Take a large dose of fentanyl.

    Drink lots of alcohol fast.

    Lie down in the snow and stay there.

    Stick yourself almost anywhere with a broadhead arrow.

    Blow out the pilot light, then turn the (gas) oven on. Or open a burner but don't light it.

    Pick a large cold lake and swim for the center.

    Step in front of a train or a large truck or bus.

    Drive a motorcycle at speed into a stationary object.

    Drink lots and lots of water.

    Hyperventilate as much as you can then swim to the bottom of the pool or pond and wait.

    ... or many other things, easy, and readily available.

  10. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    "Likewise, if the naughty man comes bursting through your bedroom door, how are you going to protect yourself if you have to unlock a gun safe before he kills you?"

    There are safes that open in moments with a fingerprint, and if mounted under the bed, drop the gun in your hand.... almost like they thought this issue through.

    Another straw man goes up in flames.

  11. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Re: "Nothing is as easy or effective suicide wise as guns"

    "The walk to the bridge sobered me up, tall building roofs aren't generally publicly available."

    Who needs a roof? A balcony 20 or 30 stories up is fine.

    For that matter, rooftop restaurants are not unknown, and you can start with a few stiff drinks.

  12. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Re: "Nothing is as easy or effective suicide wise as guns"

    "hence why pill bottles are banned I guess"

    Not banned here, or anywhere I've gone recently.

  13. Prst. V.Jeltz Silver badge

    "Guns are specifically designed to kill and have no other purpose."

    It gives me great pleasure to own more than one expensive firearm designed solely for the purpose of putting holes in paper targets during sporting competitions.

    That's not a purpose, that's a side benefit. You should have gone with animal control. (which admittedly is still killing , but a different ballpark)

  14. Tom 38 Silver badge
    Facepalm

    Step off a tall building or a bridge.

    Run the car in a garage.

    ...

    Wow, you convinced me, fuck those retards at the WHO.

  15. tim292stro

    "...You do realize that the entirety of your commentary means that rampant gun ownership is not required to overthrow a tyrannical government, and is thus a brilliant argument for gun control?..."

    Well no, again there is an external muddying happening here regarding the 2nd amendment - what the 2nd amendment essentially says (paraphrasing) is that our government or any other government cannot disarm the American people as that would provide a gateway to becoming tyrannical and oppressive to the American people.

    Also @defile but in relation to this comment and for the sake of contextual clarification from my end, one cannot separate the US military's soldiers from the citizenship (aka "the people) as the military is comprised of citizens and those who are in good standing and have through a legal process, obtained Green Cards (the green card soldery thing is an interesting case where you are still subject to Green Card penalties if you are found to have committed a crime, including expulsion from the country). In general the people of the USA are proud to have soldiers as citizens among us (many of my best friends serve/served, my 1st choice best-man only missed out because of an Iraq deployment - my dad was Navy and my father-in-law Air Force). So conversationally we don't separate ourselves from our military service-people. @defile, you caught this subtext I note in a follow-up comment. So, when I say "we" can get organized against a government which has become tyrannical, I never for a moment assume that at least some fraction of the U.S. military (either active or the vast pool of retired, or private contractors would not be involved.

    I noted in that last comment after the edit window expired, that I should have also qualified the suggestions as merely "hypothetical" when talking about overthrowing any government - I was simply exercising my mind after the invitation to do so, and have no motivation as of yet to seek any such overthrow. I still believe we can talk things out for now.

    Cheers. ;-)

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  17. TheVogon Silver badge

    "fucking you tube"

    They finally launched a rival to PornHub?

  18. Spaller

    Free Firearms For All!!!

    The bullets, though, cost $1K each.

  19. TheVogon Silver badge

    Re: Free Firearms For All!!!

    "The bullets, though, cost $1K each."

    https://youtu.be/VZrFVtmRXrw

  20. harmjschoonhoven
    Unhappy

    Re: Free Firearms For All!!!

    In the Stalin era the family of executed political prisoners got an invoice for the bullets used by the firing squad. Although it was only a few rubles, it was an humiliation.

  21. s2bu

    Re: Free Firearms For All!!!

    What about people that can make bullets and load them themselves. What are you going to do about them?

  22. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Re: Free Firearms For All!!!

    RE: "What about people that can make bullets and load them themselves. What are you going to do about them?"

    Just let them sit in their mountain shack and stay the fuck away from them and all the feds keeping a close eye on them. Weirdos all.

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  24. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Re: Free Firearms For All!!!

    "RE: "What about people that can make bullets and load them themselves. What are you going to do about them?"

    Just let them sit in their mountain shack and stay the fuck away from them and all the feds keeping a close eye on them. Weirdos all."

    The ones I know are all urban, and eminently rational professionals.

    After all, a thousand rounds for a weekend of practice or competition costs a LOT less if you reload.

    Oh, and one of them gets the brass for free because the cops practice at his club and they can't be bothered with it - taxpayers keep them stocked up.

  25. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    In an ironic twist, the injured are in the Zuckerberg San Francisco General Hospital.

  26. Allan George Dyer Silver badge
    Joke

    Is that the hospital with the live feed from the theatres and treatment rooms?

  27. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Victims were taken to 'Zuckerberg SF General Hospital'

    Zuk again! Is there anything this guy won't do, just to get into the news???

  28. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Re: Victims were taken to 'Zuckerberg SF General Hospital'

    Zuk again! Is there anything this guy won't do, just to get into the news???

    It's not the news I'm bothered about him getting into, it's my private life.

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  30. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    You can't legislate evil out of society

    While it should be quite obvious, the fact that you can't legislate evil out of society, seems to escape a large part of society. We have knee-jerk reactions from protesters, the media, elected officials and talking heads all demanding new laws to prevent evil people from killing other people.

    For those who don't understand a gun when misused is just a convenient device for those who want to harm other people. If they didn't have easy access to millions of guns imported from the Ukraine and Russia, they'd use a knife, a car, a plane, IEDs, poison or whatever is convenient to impose harm. Do we outlaw cars, knives, box cutters, lawn fertilizer (to make bombs), etc. or do we start to deal with evil, insane, delusional people?

    The clueless naïve people expecting new legislation to prevent more human tragedy are wasting their energy hoping for a miracle that will never arrive instead of addressing the root problem. No one has yet been able to explain the logic in trying to legislate evil out of society. Evil people don't care what the law is, all they care about is inflicting harm on other people. It's time these people get out of denial and in touch with reality if they desire to actually do some good.

  31. werdsmith Silver badge

    Re: You can't legislate evil out of society

    For those who don't understand a gun when misused is just a convenient device for those who want to harm other people.

    Harming other people is the primary function of a handgun, so "misuse" doesn't really fit.

    Knives' cars, fertiliser, civilian planes and our bare hands are all meant for and in daily use for non-lethal activities. This is the fundamental difference between a weapon and another object being misused as a weapon.

  32. Richard 12 Silver badge

    Re: You can't legislate evil out of society

    But you can make it more difficult for then to commit said harm.

    By AC's argument, we should let anyone have thermonuclear weapons because they'll kill millions of people with a pointed stick anyway.

    It is a lot more difficult to kill someone with a knife than with a gun.

    A teacher stands a much better chance of keeping the door closed against a machete-wielding maniac than the same maniac with a semi-automatic rifle.

  33. tim292stro

    Re: You can't legislate evil out of society

    "...For those who don't understand a gun when misused is just a convenient device for those who want to harm other people.

    Harming other people is the primary function of a handgun, so "misuse" doesn't really fit..."

    Except you're cherry-picking... >>Legally<< fatally harming other people IS the primary purpose of a described "self defense" weapon, not ILLEGALLY harming people. It is actually legal to shoot and kill someone even as non-law-enforcement in the United States, and as such many guns are sold specifically for that purpose, and so they must be effective at the specified task to be readily sold. Some guns are made for hunting (i.e. semi-automatic rifles with big scopes that are easy to reload), some exclusively for target practice (double barrel shotguns aren't much use in combat). Those are legal activities that don't include murdering people. So shooting a person without a lawful cause, using a hunting rifle to kill people listening to a country concert, or using a trap/skeet shotgun to kill your wife or neighbor is by definition a "misuse".

    In this same way, I can't think of a single vehicle which is designed to be driven by a drunk driver or used without insurance, all road-going cars are designed to be driven by a fully alert and properly licensed and insured driver. The act of doing so is illegal, though we enjoy the legal usage of the vehicle more than 99% of the time.

    Painting a bike with a can of spray-paint is what a can of spray-paint was designed for, snuffing the propellant to get high is a misuse.

    Raising sheep for wool and meat is why we do with animals, having a go at one stuck in a fence because one is unable to get a date is a misuse.

    So yes, "misuse" does actually fit, as murder, man slaughter, and maiming is actually illegal without just cause, which would make it not murder, man slaughter or maiming... (as legally defined). I can't honestly recall the last gun ad I saw where they said: "bully whacker 1000! It's the perfect gun for shooting up those b@s+@rd$ at your school!", or "Is your life a B*+c#? Our new brain blaster is your exit to the easy afterlife... and you can take your family with you!"

    I know it's distasteful, but I see this avoided all the time in gun control arguments and I need to point it out clearly - killing people can and in several clear and logical cases MUST be legal in order for the vast majority of us to enjoy Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness... and unless the existential threats to that belief goes away, you can't get rid of the 2nd Amendment and thus arms/guns have to stay. Heck, even the Met has an armed unit due to that knowledge. If we genuinely believed all threats from all sources were gone, there would be no standing armies or police - or laws for that matter, as their very existence belies that we don't trust everyone do know or do what's "right".

    Cheers.

  34. werdsmith Silver badge

    Re: You can't legislate evil out of society

    @tim292stro

    Except you're cherry-picking... >>Legally<< fatally harming other people IS the primary purpose of a described "self defense" weapon, not ILLEGALLY harming people

    You haven't provided an argument against misuse here, you've reinforced it, as the use of a deadly weapon to counter the use of a deadly weapon doesn't change the fact that the thing is designed primarily to harm humans, and the fact that it creates an arms escalation to keep a sort of Mexican stand off balance demonstrates that its primary use is effectively the problem, regardless of which side of the goody-baddy line you stand.

  35. tim292stro

    Re: You can't legislate evil out of society

    "...@tim292stro: You haven't provided an argument against misuse here, you've reinforced it, as the use of a deadly weapon to counter the use of a deadly weapon doesn't change the fact that the thing is designed primarily to harm humans, and the fact that it creates an arms escalation to keep a sort of Mexican stand off balance demonstrates that its primary use is effectively the problem, regardless of which side of the goody-baddy line you stand..."

    I haven't attempted to make a cause for or against misuse, I've merely pointed out that your perception of the definition of misuse apparently includes "all use," and that definition is not inline with written and enforced law even in countries other than the USA. I am more pointing out that you seem to be mad there is a difference between good and evil and that they have it out now and then - I'm not sure about what to do with people like you, except ensure people who think like you don't ever get control/power. Which I suppose is why the NRA fights blanket gun control. Don't misread that comment to imply I respect or think any less of you as a person, you just don't have a future in US politics IMHO...

    For the record, I am in general like most people - against misuse, aka what we commonly call "crime". But I'm also totally all for enjoying what we generally call "not crime" or "Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness".

    Cheers.

  36. TomG

    Re: You can't legislate evil out of society

    Don't understand why this post has 10 down votes. Do people really not understand that evil intent is independent of the means to carry out that evil intent?

  37. Tom 38 Silver badge

    Re: You can't legislate evil out of society

    Don't understand why this post has 10 down votes. Do people really not understand that evil intent is independent of the means to carry out that evil intent?

    Because the downvoters believe the OP is simplistic in his view, and that accessibility and access to firearms make "evil intent" into "very evil actions". You cannot change human nature, but you can limit its effects on other people. If it is easy to get guns, any deranged loon can get them. If it is hard, you have to be organized, which is often difficult for deranged loons.

  38. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Re: You can't legislate evil out of society

    "Harming other people is the primary function of a handgun, so "misuse" doesn't really fit."

    It is not legal to own a handgun for that purpose in this country.

    The millions of legal handguns here are owned for other purposes, with a statistically insignificant number of illegal handguns contributing to the alarmist news reports.

  39. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Re: You can't legislate evil out of society

    "A teacher stands a much better chance of keeping the door closed against a machete-wielding maniac than the same maniac with a semi-automatic rifle."

    True.

    Of course if the person involved is a good problem solver, and the rifle is unavailable, maybe they will think to use a better tool, like a toxic odorless gas. A little bit of planning could go a long way.

    Do not assume that removing one possible tool will make danger go away, or even reduce it.

  40. Richard 12 Silver badge

    Re: You can't legislate evil out of society

    I don't assume.

    I know that making guns more difficult to acquire reduces the incidence of mass shootings to almost (but not quite) zero.

    We have a decade of evidence to prove it.

  41. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Re: You can't legislate evil out of society

    "I don't assume.

    I know that making guns more difficult to acquire reduces the incidence of mass shootings to almost (but not quite) zero.

    We have a decade of evidence to prove it."

    What we have is fifty years of evidence, worldwide, that shows your assumptions are incorrect. I am sure if you dig into your logic deeply enough you will find them.

  42. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    There is no ready answer

    Sadly, there may never be one.

    America is too far down the gun-barrel to possibly change course now.

    Culturally, their very form of Government prevents them from acting.

  43. Dan 55 Silver badge

    Re: There is no ready answer

    A ready-to-go template mentioning our thoughts and prayers every time it happens is enough.

  44. TomG

    Re: There is no ready answer

    That is part of what makes America free. In the USA, people control the government, the government does not control the people.

  45. John Brown (no body) Silver badge
    Coat

    Re: There is no ready answer

    "That is part of what makes America free. In the USA, people control the government, the government does not control the people."

    Ah, so THAT is what is meant by "The American Dream". Something you wish for but never quite attain,

  46. J J Carter Silver badge
    Trollface

    Nutter

    She should have live-streamed the shootings on YouTube and got the likes!

  47. RobertLongshaft

    Oh dear this destroys the narrative doesn't it?

    A Muslim feminist animal rights campaigner, in a county with the strictest gun laws, using a weapon the anti gun lobby don't want to see banned?

    I expect this will be brushed under the carpet quick sharp. It offends all the right people.

  48. John Brown (no body) Silver badge

    "A Muslim feminist animal rights campaigner,"

    Not a Muslim. Bahai

  49. spider from mars
    Trollface

    Demonetisation

    I knew youtubers were getting pissed at demonetisation, but wow.

  50. Noonoot

    Disgruntled youtuber?

    I would be equally disgruntled if I was producing shit content for my shit website.

    This is just some shit-crazy Persian woman with a chip on her shoulder.

    Unfortunately, innocent people took the brunt of it.

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