back to article Leaked: The UK's secret blueprint with telcos for mass spying on internet, phones – and backdoors

The UK government has secretly drawn up more details of its new bulk surveillance powers – awarding itself the ability to monitor Brits' live communications, and insert encryption backdoors by the backdoor. In its draft technical capability notices paper [PDF], all communications companies – including phone networks and ISPs …

Are banking communications networks covered with banks as the carriers

I would think that banking technology providers in the UK will be required to build all bank security technology with back doors. Does this mean that no international companies should use or purchase UK provided, owned or developed Banking software. This would also apply to the entire blockchain space. I suggest that Level 39 and all of the tech providers should immediately announce their plans to move to Ireland as a PR stunt and let's see how long these plans continue. It just requires an appropriately worded British dry humor PR that articulates how due to governments desire to eliminate cyber security we have no choice but to explore a move of the corporate office to Dublin. ( or even worse Paris) ......... This is a legal space that will bend to economic blackmail performed out in the open. A great example has been the protests in North Carolina to stupid bathroom laws. These are stupid encryption laws. Over the top is here to stay and we are building the foundations to make the crypto strong, embedded, and part of everyday services. The economy that will win is the one that figures out this new model of subscriber-service provider globally and build the first multi-billion customer secure global digital empire. BT is to focused on pension programs to be a player anymore.

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The NAZIS finally Won

It only took 72 years, but the NAZI'S finally won. The totalitarian state is in full bloom and the sheep are not even bleating - "Huh? What? Chomp - Chomp - Good grass. Don't bother us. Thinking is too hard."

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Re: The NAZIS finally Won

Goyim I can't even...

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Russian Reversal

In Soviet Britain email reads you.

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This will pass, and, as per usual, the British will just eat this shit up.

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it wont pass and the British will not eat this shit up

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Like how the Snoopers' Charter didn't pass? Or the Digital Economy Bill?

...oh, right...

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Relying on apps and ISPs to make encryption easier may become a thing of the past but anyone who feels the need can set up encrypted email, I'm not an IT pro, just a freelance journo with an interest in tech and I can do it. Unless the govt bans private mail servers and forces everyone onto one their approved mail systems the whole thing is pointless.

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What a level headed bunch you are

I have to say I am heartened by the fact that most of the commenters here have read the paper and are, largely, underwhelmed by the threat this will pose to our privacy. Very little waving of arms (in both senses of the word) and lots of "but this only applies to encryption applied by telecom providers, nothing to see here".

Buy your sensible, rational selves a beer, you deserve it.

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Re: What a level headed bunch you are

Not you, downvoter. No beer for you!

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I must be missing something...

As a Yank, I wonder... why is it fine and dandy to have x-million spy cameras all over the country, but horrible to have the gov peek at your correspondence? Do y'all spend all your time in your house on your phone/tablet/computer? You don't venture outside, so the cameras don't bother you?

Has social networking become so powerful that people worry only about big brother knowing what they write, but don't care if he knows where they go and what they do? Seems odd.

I was really surprised to hear someone quote Orwell.

I was starting to think that no Brit had ever read him.

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Re: I must be missing something... Allow me to FTFY, AC

Has social networking become so powerful that people worry only about big brother knowing what they write, … ….Anonymous Coward

The reality, both practical and virtual, AC, is that social media networking is so powerful that Big Brothers are terrified and terrorising and losing command and control with their pimping and pumping of austere narratives steeped in madness and mayhem which intelligence, in both public and private and secret services cannot support and/or justify. It provides a beautifully slippery slope down which all who are deserving of rightful scorn fall into the abyss of mass retribution/sweet just accountability and painful responsibility. And IT has a SMARTR Mind of its own and AIdDevelopments and The Almighty HyperRadioProActive Algorithm ensures and assures and insures the Future against the Failures of the Past perverting the Present.

Words Create Command and Control and Crash Test Worlds. Who and/or what corporation are you following with the spinning of tall promissory tales which you believe to be an honest changed reality in which to live/survive/exist/prosper.

Deny it if you will, but the truth of the matter and the manner in which everything and everyone be remotely led is a Sublime Supreme Stealth against which resistance is futile and revealing. I Kid U Not.

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Re: I must be missing something...

I'd love to know where in the good ol' US of A you live.

A large part of the issue with privacy in the UK is the sheer population density. That's something you don't have in the US outside of the major cities.

As it happens, Orwell is my favo(u)rite autho(u)r. By a long shot. Not just for 1984, I've read everything he's ever knowingly written.

You seem to think we feel that it's acceptable to be spied upon as long as we're not caught anywhere on camera. But then you go on to suggest that online surveillance is acceptable and/or that we don't understand it.

You just described residents of the USA.

Your message is mixed and there's no point to your barbed comment, unless I'm missing something integral to your argument?

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Stupid is as stupid does, and the UKGBNI leads with its Public Servant Base ... J'accuse

PS: The Home Office ran a short public consultation earlier this year on a code of conduct for government snoops.

The simplest and most efficient and effective of the most complex of codes of conduct for government snoops is …… Don’t get caught and exposed to the lights of truths …. which is increasingly more difficult, and most probably quite impossible in a smarter emerging age and engaged spaces where a falsifying spin and fake news cycle is systemic and endemic.

And it is more than just odd and maddening even to realise that existing services supposedly supplying advanced intelligence to systems and media servants would not have the foresight to change their corrupted ways and perversely spun narrative adventurism to avoid all that is unavoidably coming their way to destroy them with their own dirty deeds done dirt cheap.

Whatever are they a’toking?

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Re: Stupid is as stupid does, and the UKGBNI leads with its Public Servant Base ... J'accuse

Proof positive of the increasing difficulty and most probable impossibility aforementioned above in the previous post ...... http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-05-06/france-warns-media-not-publish-hacked-macron-emails-threatens-criminal-charges ...... and the pathetic draconian reaction, which be not a proaction, to it.?!

Stupid is as stupid does in deed, indeed.

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It's ok everyone - there's no way this draconian legislation will ever be passed. The EU would simply not allow it.. Oh. Fsck.

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Quick question

If I write an encryption program using open available public/private key algorithms, will I have to put in a backdoor to the software to let the government snoop on the messages?

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Re: Quick question ..... simple forthright answer

No, not if you do not want to, Boris the Cockroach. And if you be told otherwise are you misinformed and being objectified and subjected to a party's nasty form of remote terrorism.

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6,500 isn't enough. There are up to 10,000 Jihadi sympathisers in the UK.

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overseen by a "judge appointed by the prime minister."

Does anyone else think this is a horrible idea?

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Even Google are telling us - May is deadly for democracy. Register to vote by 22nd May.

On Google's UK home page we're told:

"Want your say in June? Register to vote by 22 May"

What Google are really saying is (IMO) , the Government is coming after ALL you data (and it's going to make Google's life hell). Trouble is, whoever gets Power, seems to say/be singing from exactly the same hymn sheet.

Past/Present:

Jacqui Smith (Labour), Theresa May (Conservative), Amber Rudd (Conservative).

It's almost like GCHQ, manipulate who becomes Home Secretary, from very early signs to get the "right type of person" who's "onside", "thick as pig shit", says "anything we tell them to". There are common characteristics among all three, complete lack of empathy, being one.

Put it this way, I inherited a very manipulative personality and it's exactly the tactics I'd use.

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Re: Even Google are telling us - May is deadly for democracy. Register to vote by 22nd May.

"Jacqui Smith (Labour), Theresa May (Conservative), Amber Rudd (Conservative).

It's almost like GCHQ, manipulate who becomes Home Secretary, from very early signs to get the "right type of person" who's "onside", "thick as pig shit", says "anything we tell them to". There are common characteristics among all three, complete lack of empathy, being one."

Does the name Charles Farr mean anything to you? It should.

There are doubtless others, but he's become more visible than he'd probably like.

At the risk of repeating myself:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2649035/The-discreet-affair-two-Home-Secretarys-closest-advisers-REAL-reason-bitter-split-Cabinet-colleague-Michael-Gove-Islamic-plot-schools.html

https://www.gov.uk/government/people/charles-farr

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Farr

Who needs elections anyway, so long as we've got strong and stable kleptocrats, spooks, and lunatics running the shop.

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welcome to the United Soviet of England + Wales. Stalin would've loved it.

One more reason for Ulster to reunite and Scotland to become independent.

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No surprises here this surveillance is happening all the time.

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You'll get nowhere without outrage

Nobody seems to be outraged by much any more. The first reaction to news like this should be outrage...and that outrage then transforms into passion and that passion is the fuel that motivates, and you need a strong motivation to kick against the pricks.

Suprised at the number of Auntie Marys here...

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these are the people that decent people need protecting from :-(

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