back to article Woman makes app that lets people rate and review you, Yelp-style. Now SHE'S upset people are 'reviewing' her

It was oh so predictable. The founder of new slander-app Peeple has been surprised to discover people slandering her online. Julia Cordray, of Calgary, Canada, landed herself and her company a ton of publicity this week, appearing everywhere from the Washington Post to ABC News, talking about how the app – due to be launched …

Re: I hope this ends up having been a colossal con job.

@skeptical i

Oh, it makes sense already. (Not necessarily good sense, mind you . . .)

In this world obsessed with 'startups' and so many people trying to launch the next billion-dollar web service and equally-many investors looking to make money from them, a pair of people engrossed in all things 'web' and 'social' had an idea one day and assumed it was a good one.

Perhaps, while raving about the kelp smoothies (served in a jar, of course) at the local cafe via Urbanspoon or warning people off a hairdresser on Yelp or liking a Bikram yoga studio on Facebook or giving an Uber driver 2 stars for being late or praising a hotel on TripAdvisor or recommending an AirBnb property to followers on Twitter or uploading a sepia-filtered photo of a coffee on pinterest, they wondered why there was no platform for letting the world know how you feel about people.

Putting the words 'crowd-sourcing', 'web', 'social', 'app' and 'community' together, they realised that here was an equation that couldn't lose and conceived of 'Peeple', a concept so innovative that it would change the world and, obviously, make them and any investors millions after it got enough subscribers to get bought-out by one of the existing services providing the exact same service with a slightly different focus.

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Re: I hope this ends up having been a colossal con job.

That was really good. Thank you.

I wonder if there is some sort of Heisenbergish Uncertainty Principle coming in terms of how much time one spends on either measuring their lives or being measured by others, where the time invested dealing with said measurement overwhelms an individuals behaviors and they simply don't have time to live and do cool shit. Someone should study that and measure it for us.

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I think I've spotted the other problem

I have it on pretty good authority that the guy who has my work cellphone sitting on his desk holds the guy who has my personal cellphone sitting on his desk in fairly high regard - sufficiently so that one would quite happily spend his leisure hours posting positive comments about the other ...... well, at least spend a few of them on a script to do so.

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Another "Gift" That No One Needs.

"We are bold innovators and sending big waves into motion and we will not apologize for that because we love you enough to give you this gift. "

Kinda reminds me of how those sociopaths at Google want to "serve you the perfect ad" - another "gift" that no one needs.

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Re: Another "Gift" That No One Needs.

The CEO of Peeple is a Cenobite.

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Vic

Re: Another "Gift" That No One Needs.

"We are bold innovators and sending big waves into motion and we will not apologize for that because we love you enough to give you this gift. "

I've had a woman love me enough to give me a gift once before. Thank $deity for antibiotics...

Vic.

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Hat

That's not a fedora, its a trilby.

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Re: Hat

Trilby - the bastard child of a fedora and a porkpie.

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Re: Hat

Yes, but let's be honest. Hardly anyone wears hats in this day and age. Not sure why.

So it's not surprising that people have trouble identifying them, and I've seen some glaring errors. I once was complimented on my "mexican" hat. Big difference between a vietnamese coolie hat and a sombrero!

Bota and others are not alone here.

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follow the ... / they'd say "there's no such thing as bad publicity ?"

"(As of Monday, the company’s shares put its value at $7.6 million.)"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-intersect/wp/2015/09/30/everyone-you-know-will-be-able-to-rate-you-on-the-terrifying-yelp-for-people-whether-you-want-them-to-or-not/

So these two women are now worth a little less than $4 MEELLION DOLLARS each ... and I'm sure they haven't lost many opportunities to exploit the "fact". Anything from buying shit to buying people ...

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FAIL

Well, they appear to have worked out how to not let anything negative on their Facebook page, but their riposte about negativity is still laughable, and they are still showing an apalling lack of concern for those that do get hurt by their app. Simply claiming that no-one will get hurt by it (which is essentailly what they are claiming) isn't good enough.

I'd also add this - any current friend sufficiently antisocial to rate me on peeple loses me as a friend, the instant I find out about it, no matter what they have said. It's an invidious idea that only the ethically-challenged could think acceptable, IMHO.

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suck asses get all the jobs, then they get fired a few weeks later, because none of them can handle life

rating people for jobs is pointless, walk in as the managers manager, and you won`t get the job

if you had a life, you would know the above and not employ suck asses

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I spy lawsuits on the horizon

When this app starts publishing false information about people, there's going to be a never ending stream of lawsuits.

Do they really think their concept could survive in the litigious world we live in? Its farcical to say the least.

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Re: I spy lawsuits on the horizon

not really, online means nothing, unless you have the national insurance/social security numbers linked to their names

criminal records mean nothing if they arn`t your fingerprints and DNA, if you live on a council estate you have to give a police man a slap, so they know who you are, or there will be 100 people living where you live

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Re: I spy lawsuits on the horizon

if everyone bothered todo a basic DBS check on themselves they would find out, instead of working it out after 10 years of being unemployed

criminal records are rubbish most of the time, if you want your own criminal record, you have to make it yourself, or bring back the id card thing

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Says it all

"more abundance, joy, and real authentic connections. You deserve to make better decisions with more information to protect your children and your biggest assets. "

She's even managed to get "will no-one think of the children?" into this.

A very, very cunning PR agency has designed the response to tick as many Daily Mail type boxes as possible, along with warm, fuzzy words to try and confuse online bullying with somehow making your life better. If it is Ms. Cordray herself, then by now surely a whole load of right wing newspapers will be falling over one another to sign her. She might even be the next Rebekah Brooks.

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Rol

Yeah! But no, but

That Angie is a slag right, I saw her sucking BIll off and she was like all Bill, BIll I love you and he was like meh. Coz he knows she's a slag right, but he's just spilling his load anywhere these days and she's just a slag right. Oh and her phone number is 0117 155.... but don't ring her coz she's all stroppy and emotional right coz she read this and is talking about killing herself, what a slag, anything for attention, anyway she's all mouth, ask Bill, he'll tell yer. What a slag.

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Re: Yeah! But no, but

Can I have Angie's phone number?

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Re: Yeah! But no, but

Rol, that is no way talk about your nan.

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The bit that worries me

Is that I can't see how they would fail to make money out of this.

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Given todays T-Mobile hacking...

...which included 15 million plaintext names and phone numbers... I wonder how easy it would be to write a bot that submitted each and every one to this site and then texted the victim with a 'pay me bitcoins or get trashed' blackmail? I'm sure the bot could even supply the reviews courtesy of semi-randomised words and phrases, and perhaps links to one out of 200 local news articles of the 'A man was caught sniffing bicycle seats' variety.

I hasten to point out I'm not advocating this, but I can see it's inevitability if this P.O.S ever gained traction. It's madness.

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Woah!

This what one can do to one you do not like (taken from the FAQ of http://forthepeeple.com/

"

Can I start someone else's profile?

Yes. You will need their cell phone number to start their profile and they will receive a text that you were the person to start their profile and that they should check out what you said about them on our app.

"

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I've got something you can rate, love.

Etc.

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Great money making opportunity

Persuade all your friends to slag you off on the app then ask for a takedown of your profile. On refusal contact your favourite lawyer and say "MONEY" to them. Share proceeds with lawyer. You can reciprocate for your friends.

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Comments

Does she not read the Comments sections of the interwebz? Market research at it's finest.

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Just a matter of time?

Before this is used by potential employers to screen candidates. And then one said candidate sues the company for discriminating?

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Legality

This may have been touched on, but surely there are a generous handful of laws in the UK and Europe that should prevent pretty much ALL of the site's features? And good job too.

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Re: Legality

I'm not a lawyer so I really don't know, but I'm not sure whether our EU/UK laws will be of much help while the company doesn't have a base of operations outside of America. Not really any different to France demanding the right to be forgotten rulings must apply globally and not just to Google searches on the French domain. As far as I can tell - unless it is a matter of copyright or illegal activity - we don't appear to have the power to do anything to a company that operates outside our geographical area.

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The Indictment

The perfect indictment of what humanity has become with the advent of the internet. A lot of nasty, back stabbing ignorant keyboard warriors hell bent on spewing shite and yet contributing nothing to the world as a whole.

Makes me a ashamed to share oxygen with people who manage to bring ideas like this to fruition. What sad, pretty and shitty little species we are sometimes....

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Re: The Indictment

A lot of nasty, back stabbing ignorant keyboard warriors hell bent on spewing shite and yet contributing nothing to the world as a whole.

That's no way to talk about El Reg commentards!

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I'd seen this story headlined elsewhere but hadn't bothered to read it. So glad that I read it on here. If ever there was a story tailor made for The Reg's cynical style this is it! It made me laugh! And confirms what I have long suspected, the longer the app generation spend on their iPhones, the dumber they get! I blame Steve Jobs!

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You deserve better and to have more [...] real authentic connections.

We did this before the Internet. It was called TALKING TO PEOPLE.

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They Live in Canada

It appears that the founders live in Canada. That means they are subject to libel laws that are somewhere between the 'extremes' of the U.S. and U.K. They are also subject to privacy laws that are somewhere between the 'extremes' of the U.S. and U.K. What this means is that if they go ahead, even if the company operates from the U.S., they are personally open to legal actions in Canada under Canadian law. Ann Cavoukian will coming for them!

"People who say they have nothing to hide, nothing to fear about providing their personal information, have no idea how information can be misapplied out of context,"

Ann Cavoukian

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I just automatically assume everybody I meet is a waste of skin until they prove otherwise.

I rarely have to change my initial views.

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*Warning: Do not let your children near this man*

"You deserve to make better decisions with more information to protect your children..."

How exactly is personal "feedback" from people about other people going to provide this without kicking off a law suit?

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prize-winners!

I hereby nominate Cordray and McCullough for an Ig Nobel prize in the field of Social Sciences, for their brilliant demonstration of social darwinism in action.

I also want them both included on the passenger manifest for Ark Fleet Ship B.

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Why is this news??

Why is this surprising? ... This is what the internet is, full of $hit.

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Re. Why is this news/?

It could be worse, the app could also have included other information.

You thought Tinder was bad, posting very intimate details you would only obtain from being in a relationship with someone complete with measurements and suchlike.. that would just be unkind.

That said, knowing in advance that someone has a specific problem BEFORE wasting in some cases hundreds of pounds on a first, second AND third date (because this really happens, honest!) would be quite useful from a social point of view and might actually encourage more openness.

Sort of like exchanging PGP private keys...

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So Peeple is not for abuse...

...it's a tool to enable people to form a virtual circle and virtually jerk each other off?

Both are equally stupid and I don't believe either vision will set the world alight...

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First Justin Bieber

and now these two - way to finally draw attention to yourself, Canada; you must be so proud.

I wouldn't wish a 'gamergate' on anyone but should I, in the future, notice their names mentioned in conjunction with words such as 'doxxed' , 'angry mob' and 'protective custody' I shall neither be surprised nor shed a tear - in fact, for the first time in my life, were I to discover that mycareerfox.com had been DDoSed into oblivion as a result, I might not feel quite so upset to learn my computer had been hacked and added to a botnet.

On the other hand, entirely inadvertently, these two appear to have achieved the single most truly positive thing that any human being has ever attempted.

For the first time in its history, Mankind has - irrespective of race, gender, sexuality, age, religious creed, political persuasion or any of the other myriad ways in which it attempts to excuse its bad behaviour - spoken with one voice.

We have put aside our differences and, as a species, as one person almost, said loudly and clearly "Oi! You!! NO!!!"

Where all before them have failed, they have united Humanity behind them - they'd just better hope it never catches up with them: the two most hated people in the history of the World.

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Unwarranted hysteria me thinks

It’s fascinating how when we know a portion of a story or situation we can’t help ourselves from making up stories to fill in the blanks. The unfortunate part is it seems the parts we make up to fill in the gaps are almost universally negative.

I live in Vancouver and happened to catch a local radio interview with Julia Cordray, who is from our neighbouring province. As an earlier poster suggested, she could easily be accused of naiveté, but her description of how their app works makes the vast majority of the negative backlash seem like needless hysteria. In short she stated in the interview:

+ In social media you can say anything about anyone with little or no recourse and that “isn’t good enough” (not an unreasonable claim)

+ They wanted to make something that would help people raise their profiles to the next level, "because we deserve that". (oookay)

+ With their app nothing is anonymous, so all authorship of all reviews is public (transparency seems good)

+ With being compared to "Yelp for Humans": there are 14 million reviews on Yelp, and event though they are all anonymous 79% of them are positive. Meaning people are inherently good (nod to the naiveté thing, statistic unverified)

+ To sign up to their app to make a post/rating you use your Facebook account which must indicate you are 21 years old; a text will be sent to your cell phone for further authentication; and, your Facebook profile must be older than 6 months.

+ You can only post positive reviews about a person if they aren’t already signed up, and the receiver of the review has to “claim their profile” before the review about them will go live.

+ When a negative review (3 out of 5 or less) is posted it goes to the reviewed person first and there is a 48-hour period for you to work out "turning a negative into a positive" (more of that naiveté thing)

I am not a Facebook user, and so will never be a user of this app. Nor do I think I would be even if I was, but my honest impression from hearing the concept presented is that their intentions are honestly good. If someone puts themselves out there by either creating their own profile or claiming theirs after someone reviews them, then I think they are accepting the risk of whatever might come their way. The fact that no one can post a negative review about someone that hasn’t accepted that risk seems like a reasonable precaution to me.

She also manages to nicely diss Justin Bieber & Donald Trump in her interview, so you have to like that too...

Radio interview is here if you want to confirm the above:

https://w.soundcloud.com/player/?url=http://api.soundcloud.com/playlists/47687698

Stream: New "Yelp For People" Isn't As Bad As It Seems - Oct 1

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Re: Unwarranted hysteria me thinks

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And, in fact it was.

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The mandated Narcotics Anonymous and Alcoholics Anonymous programmes were the first steps on a long journey, but he has been clean and sober for a year now and hopes that his continuing participation in the N.A. and A.A. programmes will encourage employers to view his applications more favourably than they do now, with the understanding that his previous performance as an employee, whilst under the influence of various substances, will with time be a thing firmly of the past.

He has also voluntarily signed up for a intervention programe for domestic violence offendors recently - he hopes, in a year or two, to petition for supervised access to his children, conditional upon his having steady employment.

Of course this will not bring back the children's mother and 13Tech will bear the shame of that all his life, but let us not forget that her tragic death, for all that it was as a result of the long-term brain-damage induced by the beatings, was determined to be by misadventure rather than at his hand.

Baby steps though they may be, 13Tech has made his first upon the long the road to recovery that all abusers must make if they are ever to transform from the monsters they were to the people they must strive to become and for that I think he should be lauded - it isn't an easy task for anyone, but 13Tech has a longer way to go than most, so his effort is all the greater (***** 5 STARS *****)

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Vic

Re: Unwarranted hysteria me thinks

I live in Vancouver

First post, massively supportive of this nonsense.

Hello Julia!

Vic.

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Re: Unwarranted hysteria me thinks

Why thank you. I much appreciate the support.

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Re: Unwarranted hysteria me thinks

I'm not supportive in the least. I would never sign up. It seems kind of stupid to me. I repeatedly said I think she's naïve.

I just think the hysteria about the whole thing is over the top, and some of the suppositions about how the thing would work are ridiculous. People that do sign up are voluntarily putting themselves out there and accepting that risk. Apparently they need to be adults before they make that choice.

My "5 star" rating response simply proves the point that people can say anything about anyone on the interweb as it is. I'm sure that felt cathartic. At least their app requires signing your name to it.

But whatever.

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Re: Unwarranted hysteria me thinks

"People that do sign up are voluntarily putting themselves out there and accepting that risk. Apparently they need to be adults before they make that choice."

It's not the people who sign up who have the problem, but those who will be signed up without their permission and denied the right to delete their 'own' account - if they are ever even made aware of its existence (as you say, the suggested mechanisms are hopelessly ineffective against abuse)

As far as I am concerned, other people can go ahead and sign up for whatever they want, just not in MY name - which is precisely what they will be doing with this app (assuming it's not an elaborate hoax/publicity stunt).

"My "5 star" rating response simply proves the point that people can say anything about anyone on the interweb as it is."

They can, but there is no single 'marketplace' where they and others can go to do so, or others can go to find what they have written.

It's an incitement to libel people for anyone who feels like doing so, with no option for recourse beyond horrendously expensive legal action that may have no positive outcome if the person assumed guilty until proven innocent cannot prove themselves to be so beyond all reasonable doubt.

We will have 48 hours to work it out with our accusers?

Women in safe houses will have to 'enter into dialogue' their abusive parents/partners.

People will have to 'work it out' with their stalkers.

Children will have to beg their bullies to change their 'review' of them as people.

Who made McCullough and Cordray moral guardians of the world, let alone its judge and jury!?!

Who gave them the right to impose their value system on the rest of us?

And their responses sound like the most transparent of excuses offered by narcissists and sociopaths to fend off moral responsibility for the harm they do: it's for our own good!

I'm not having a go at you. I don't know you, so I've no reason to and, besides, you're not the one behind this - but your response seems to be "I'll be alright, Jack, so 'meh'."

What about those who won't be?

Don't they have the right to say "No".

And, if they do, should these two be entitled to say "We don't have to take your 'no' for an answer - 'No' doesn't have to mean 'no' for *us*"

That is, rightly, recognised in any civilised culture as abuse - and these two seem to want to abuse the whole world 'for its own good.'

Yes, "people can say anything about anyone on the interweb as it is."

So, two wrongs make a right then?

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Venture Capital

They used to say that the fastest way to turn money into crap was to own horses.

Nowadays, the fastest way seems to be "invest in social media sites".

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This article is pretty one-sided. It ridicules her for wanting people to "get the facts" about how the app would work and the controls in place, but isn't getting the facts generally a good idea? How many people bashing Peeple have actually looked into it and how many made a snap judgment after "about two seconds"?

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Trollface

Happy joining-day, Kyle, and welcome aboard.

You a Vancouver resident too by any chance?

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It only took me one second.

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