back to article Windows 10: THE ULTIMATE GUIDE to Microsoft's long apology for Windows 8

Take a deep breath. This is it, the big one: Microsoft has released Windows 10, which will make everything good again after Windows 8. Windows 10 is distinctive for several reasons. First, it introduces the "Windows as a service" concept, in which most users will automatically receive incremental updates with both feature and …

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Upgrading tonight

Think I will upgrade tonight after work. What could possibly go wrong?!!

I shall report back in a few days :-)

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Re: Upgrading tonight

or not depending on your success...

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>>>I shall report back in a few days :-)

Once you've rebuilt your system with your W7 DVD?

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List of FAIL

I'm sorry I just don't get why anyone thinks typing to get an app is better. If I dont't know the exact name of say, a control panel applet in Windows 7, I click Start, Control Panel and I look. I don't want to have to click Start, or press Windows-R, type what I think might be the name and hope bloody Windows knows what I want.

Even on a home edition I DO NOT WANT UNCONTROLLED UPDATES. I want to be able to research them a little so when the INEVITABLE buggy update appears I can choose not to install it.

Cortana can quite literally get fecked, along with Siri and fecking Google Now and all the other activity trackers, er I mean assistants.

Cross device gaming could be mildy cool. I guess

And hell, at least it's not Windows 8

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Re: List of FAIL

"I don't want to have to click Start, or press Windows-R, type what I think might be the name and hope bloody Windows knows what I want"

MS say "Get to Settings by going to Start > Settings"

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-gb/windows-10/getstarted-a-new-look-for-settings .

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All your kids are belong to us

I read this review with a growing sense of meh regarding the whole thing.

There are no killer features which I personally need.

Then I got to this bit, and experienced a growing feeling of absolute dread:

"The Xbox app delivered with Windows 10 supports Xbox Live Streaming, letting you connect to an Xbox One console and play games on your PC."

Every single teenager in the world (including mine) will be updating to Windows 10 this month, whether they are told to avoid it like the plague or not :-(

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Re: All your kids are belong to us

Install MS 'Family Safety' for them.

Apart from controlling app and game access, you can also impose curfews and total time spent on the machine.

Helps keep my sub-teen in check.

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Killer features

"There are no killer features which I personally need."

All an OS needs to do is to manage files, applications and the interfaces between software and hardware and present the entire package to the user in a understandable manner.

Windows 3.11 did that admirably.

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Re: Killer features

"Windows 3.11 did that admirably."

You must have been using a different Windows 3.11, it only looked good by comparison to Win 3.1. It failed miserably in comparison to any of it's contemporaries at the time - and it didn't get better with age either. Yeah, I spent a too much time fixing 3.1 & 3.11 machines - most of which was a total waste of time because the users would have managed to break them again within an hour. ;)

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Re: All your kids are belong to us

" Every single teenager in the (XBOX) world..."

FTFY

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Re: All your kids are belong to us

> " Every single teenager in the (XBOX) world..."

Good point. Absolutely no teenagers want to play Halo anymore and M$ are throwing billions away on a console which, despite its probable nine-year+ lifespan has already irrevocably lost the Great Console War to Sony, with its magnificent PS4 which is so fantabulous that you can't even play a DVD on it.

And I hear the PS4 is getting some awesome games! In Q4 2016.

M$ should just give up everything and declare bankruptcy at everything because they make no sales and no worthwhile products and no decent platforms and no good hardware and they smell.

Right guys?

I'm cool for writing that, yeah?

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Re: Killer features

NetBEUI. Pulling off the IRQ jumper on an ISA network card, dropping it on the carpeted office floor and spending the next ten minutes desperately searching for it. Installing Trumpet Winsock and win32s.

Anyone still long for the good old days?

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Re: Killer features

The purpose of Win 3.11 was to break Windows in OS/2.

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Re: Killer features

Ah, the usual two usual down-voters. By your down-votes I take it that you believe that 8.3 file names and 260 character path limits make it easier to manage files than all those crusty old OSes that supported > 11 char file names and deeply nested directories back in 1994.

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Shit shit shit

I don't think I nuked the 'helpful' upgrade reminder on Mum and Dad's PC...

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Re: Shit shit shit

And if you did it probably came back. The fuckers are playing dirty.

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Elimate the GET Windows Ten icon

How to permanently shutdown Windows 10 upgrade notification

● http://winsupersite.com/windows-10/disabling-windows-10-upgrade-notification

● "GWX" - Get Winows 10

● HKLM\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\GWX

○ DWORD value DisableGWX set to 1

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Re: Elimate the GET Windows Ten icon

There's another way. Just upgrade. It's just completed on my Surface Pro and I do find it less offensive than W8. While W8 had its issues it had some major advantages over W7 (File History, improved Task manager etc), and W10 is a step back in the right direction UI-wise.

I might not feel the need to install a third-party Start Menu, we'll see.

All this coming from a Linux sysadmin....

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Re: Shit shit shit

My dad's PC luckily is a XP.

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Re: Shit shit shit

My dad's PC is Windows 8 - my fingers are crossed for Windows 10 being slightly less shit.

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Why call it Windows?

If Microsoft, for whatever reason, want to play around with the way that the user interface works, then why don;t they either

(a) just release the new UI as an add-on that you can buy, retaining the ability to switch between the previous UI and the new one. This means no-ones forced to work with a UI they don;t like.

or

(b) release the new thing under a name other than Windows, eg, Doors. Make it clear (insofar as one can) to what extent Doors is compatible with Windows, but also that it is, in fact, a new OS and so won;t be liek Windows used to be. Simultaneously, keep Windows going much as ever, with bug-fixes and only minor refinements for as long as is sensible.

Trying to force wholesale replacement of what users are comfy with is just, well, mad. And even as someone who really, seriously, dislikes MS, it's getting uncomfortable watching MS self-harm so often. Please note - much as I'm no keen on Windows as is and has been, I also don't particularly want Windows to disappear because a multiplicity of OS's would, IMO, be healthier, and help make things tougher for cybercrims. God knows MS have the resources to do things right - I just wish they would for a change!

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Re: Why call it Windows?

It still does windowing. Even metro apps now run in windows.

Why are you complaining when you have literally no idea what you're talking about?

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I think his fundamental point is sound though.

MS should completely separate the GUI from the underlying functionality and then they could sell (consistent) Desktop Environments for different use cases.

Or allow 3rd party developers to create Desktop Environments for specialist cases.

This allows businesses (amongst others) to take advantage of underlying improvements to security & speed without having to keep reluctantly retraining staff at vast expense.

Soft. Eng. best practice has been to (generally) separate out the interface from the functionality from the data for 30 years. This has worked exceptionally well in all the massive modelling / optimiser projects I worked on over the years.

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Re: Why call it Windows?

(b) release the new thing under a name other than Windows, eg, Doors.

Doors already exists.

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Re: Why call it Windows?

And, dangit, Nifty Doorways is taken too!

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Call it Cupboards then !

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Re: Why call it Windows?

Methinks you missed the point, friend. I didn't say that Windows doesn't do windowing. I merely suggested that a change in the way that the UI works be accompanied by a change in the brand name for the UI. ANd Metro IS different to the XP UI, which is what a ginormous number of people cut their teeth on and to this day feel comfortable with.

I've made the point before - because to most people the UI IS, effectively, the OS, people tend to expect Windows (or Gnome or KDE) to work the same way, pretty much, forever. they really do not like the thing that they've got used to working with to change radically. Linux has the benefit of multiple UI's to choose from, Gnome, KDE, Cinnamon, Mate, Xfce, LXDE etc etc. It's relatively easy to try different UIs in Linux until you find one that you like. But look what happened when KDE and later Gnome made changes that users weren't happy with! Or when Ubuntu pushed the Unity UI on users. In each case, they lost a lot of users who switched to other UIs, or in Ubuntus case, distros, as Linux Mint gained where Ubuntu lost users.

In a nutshell, if MS wants to muck about creating new UI's that's fine - but psychologically it makes more sense to offer the new UIs as options from a range that one can choose from, not an enforced change fropm a UI you've come to like (or at least dont want to change from).

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Re: Why call it Windows?

(laughing at the suggestion elsewhere that it be called cupboardds) I had no idea, and that was just a name to differentiate it from Windows. You could call it Fred Bloggs' Old Peculiar if you wish. The core idea is that it's the kernel that does the heavy lifting, but it's the UI that differentiates things so far as most users are concerned. Most people associate Windows with the XP GUI. So a UI that doesn;t work like that is something other than Windows (or should be, logically). This is the kind of logic we apply to physical objects. If it looks and feels and 'works' different, then it IS different. So why does it have the same name? WHy should software be any different to teh rest of the world?

The way MS have been going about things, they've left many disgruntled that they've mucked about with 'Windows', whereas if they'd offered the revised UI's as options, folk would be more likely to think MS wonderful for offering them new Ui's to try every few years, without having to ditch their beloved Windows UI if they don;t want to. In short, I contend that MS have been getting the psychology wrong with what they;re doing, and if I didn;t know better, I;d say they seem to be actively trying to piss people off. But I do know better, and so I put it down to a degree of blindness where user psychology is concerned on their part rather than malice. I honestly would rather that MS produced an OS we could all trust and like. They came closets with XP and Win7 IMO, but seem to have lost the plot at the moment.

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Re: Why call it Windows?

Is "Trap-doors" taken?

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Re: Why call it Windows?

If Windows buckled, it'd be one OS less. Shrug.

Did you care as much when Microsoft killed off DRDOS with the nastiest of tricks and bribery? They eventually had to pay hundreds of millions of dollars in compensation, but by then it was way to late for recovery - and MS had meticulously planned for this outcome) It was a far superior, less expensive, fully compatible alternative to flonking MS-DOS. That "cyber crime" set us back at least five years back then, and staying on the "major", yet third class OS, we're falling behind with every single day.

On another note, out of all conceivable choices, is WINDOWS the one you'd want to keep because it scares off the hackers and crackers of the world? see icon.

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Re: Why call it Windows?

Ummm, I think it was the other way round. MSDOS/PCDOS were designed to be DRDOS compatible. I think Microsoft would call it IP theft these days ( at least when others do it ). It was my understanding that the court compensation was for the IP theft, but I might not be remembering correctly.

The current Windows has nothing to do with that, of course, as it is based on NT, which was designed by someone hired from DEC with a background in more serious computing. Although I suspect W10 is now more of a mess internally than when NT was first designed.

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"That "cyber crime" set us back at least five years back then, and staying on the "major", yet third class OS, we're falling behind with every single day."

I lament the demise of Digital Research, and DR-DOS was indeed better than MS-DOS, but it was still very basic in comparison to other OSes out at the time. Jerry Pournelle running DR-DOS wouldn't have made the Chaos Manor articles in Byte less painful to read for folks who had tried alternatives to PCs running *DOS.

Case in point I remember being astounded by the stuff students were doing with UNIX workstations (Apollo Domain, Sun etc) in the late 80s - PCs running DOS weren't even at the races. I think nearly everyone knew that 386s were wasted running DOS, but it didn't actually become real for me until I got to try out an '88 vintage Sun 386i... It pissed all over faster, newer and more expensive DOS boxes in every department, but the best bit was I didn't have to screw about with HIMEM.SYS or memory expanders, extenders, TSRs or reboot the machine everytime an app went off the rails. If you *really* missed DOS PC experience you could run multiple DOS sessions, and it could even take ISA cards too. As lovely as it may have been DR-DOS really was not in the same league as SunOS on x86 hardware. :(

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Re: Why call it Windows?

Ummm, I think it was the other way round. MSDOS/PCDOS were designed to be DRDOS compatible

Wildly incorrect, I'm afraid. MS-DOS started as rebranded 86-DOS (formerly QDOS) from Seattle Computer Products. 86-DOS took1 a number of aspects of CP/M - not DR DOS, which didn't exist at the time - particularly in its internals. But while it also copied a number of CP/M conventions, such as drive letters, its user interface (a bunch of built-in and external command) was substantially different in many respects, even for simple operations like copying a file.

PC DOS was IBM's rebranded MS-DOS with a handful of minor changes and some additions, such as BASICA.

Around the same time, DRI created CP/M-86, the first 16-bit version of CP/M. The story of how it failed to become IBM's preferred OS for the PC is widely and generally incorrectly reported; somewhere there's an interview with Dorothy Kildall where she explains what actually went down (disagreements over licensing, primarily). CP/M-86 remained a distant competitor to MS-DOS and PC DOS on IBM PCs and compatibles for years.

Much later (1988) DRI came out with DR DOS, a new OS compatible with MS-DOS and PC DOS. While it had some technical advantages over MS-DOS and some users felt it was better, it was never more than moderately successful.

In short: the QDOS family was never "designed to be compatible" with any other existing OS, but borrowed heavily from CP/M. DR DOS, on the other hand, was created as an improved MS-DOS.

1Or borrowed, stole, copied, paid homage - take your pick.

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Not persuaded

My only regret is that when I bought an extra copy of 7 for eventually building an newer desktop, I didn't get a 64-bit copy.

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Re: Not persuaded

I think your 32 bit licence covers 64 bit too. There are tutorials out there explaining how to back up the licence and reinstate into a 64 bit install. I did it when my new 8gb laptop came preinstalled with 32 bit Windows.

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Windows10 AKA Windows8.2 ..Microsoft will say sorry again?

So what? 12months or 18 months from now they will be releasing another Metro/ModernUI crap OS after this Windows10 failure and call it Windows11 ?

So Windows8.3 = Windows11 ?

Windows10 doesn't exist. This huge mess of an unusable flawed buggy OS is just Windows8.2

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"Windows as a service"

Nope.

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> "Windows as a service"

Odd idea, considering it's tied to a device.

"Windows as an appliance"?

def: appliance: (in IT) something you pay for ostensibly yours but with a lifespan determined by a third-party, which is never actually yours or designed to work for you. (See, "Vendor thoughts: oh @#$%^ they've bought a license and are never going to buy another one in the next two years", also, "Why don't IT departments want to do any technical IT work anymore?")

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Cortana and Onedrive?

Sorry, I'm using a local account and not a Microsoft account. The Microsoft 'ecosystem' is irrelevant to me.

Microsoft Edge will be used to download Chrome or Firefox. I don't fancy doodling on web pages. Maybe your toddler does.

All I want from Windows is:

1) Detects my older and newer hardware flawlessly.

2) Compatible with my win32 software.

Xbox streaming? Not interested. If you like console gaming get a PS4.

Not interested in your App Store or your mobile devices.

Essentially, Windows 10 is Windows 8 SP2 (8.1 was SP1). The only significant upgrade is DirectX 12, but it'll take a while for the game developers and graphics card manufacturers to catch up. It has always been like that.

So there's no hurry to upgrade. Wait till the Christmas period at least. Let the useful idiots of early adopters and 'Insiders' take the plunge and participate in what is really a crowdsourced testing phase for RC builds of Windows 10.

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Re: Cortana and Onedrive?

"If you like console gaming get a PS4."

If you want the best option for online / multiplayer console gaming though as many do, you need to get an Xbox One + Xbox Live.

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Re: Cortana and Onedrive?

DX12 cards have been out for nearly a year... see Nvidia 9xx series....

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I've been fiddling with it for a couple months.

Still recommending BSD on the servers & Slackware on the desktops to my clients. One exception is AutoCAD, and that on air-gapped systems only.

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Re: I've been fiddling with it for a couple months.

your clients on the farm where you tell the time via the sun, jake?

Are your cows deeply into AutoCAD?

Also, slackware has been a bag of shit for about 8 years now. Bin it. Get debian.

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So where does all this leave users whose computer isn't connected to the Internet?

...and those who don't want their computer randomly consuming internet resources (when running on a dongle, for example)?

...and those who don't want anything fiddling with their (working) computer until they've finished some critical task?

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No Cortana for the UK?!

Come on Microsoft, Google and Apple didn't have that kind of launch restriction for their personal assistant.

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Perhaps Cortana is wanted by the British authorities, for breaches of privacy regulations, so has to stay away.

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Cortana is available in the UK. I haven't had to change my language settings and remain on English (UK).

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Wow!

Probably the most exciting thing about this launch of a major OS from one of the worlds largest OS producers is just how unexciting it is. MS might still be huge, but they are looking increasingly like a spent force. The question now is if they will go quietly, a la DEC, or kicking and screaming and dragging the rest of the industry down with them, a la SCO?

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Re: Wow!

Personally I always enjoy a fresh round of Microsoft hatred on the interwebs.

Their demise can't come soon enough.

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"Windows 10 with its revived Start menu"

are you sure you didn't meant "reviled"?

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