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Paris airport security went one step further than simply asking a security expert to power up her laptop - they requested she type in her password to decrypt her hard drive and log into the machine. Katie Moussouris, chief policy officer at HackerOne, and best known as the woman behind Microsoft's Bug Bounty Program, was en …

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      1. RandomCanuck

        Re: If this had happened in the US or Canada, at the border

        Check your facts. The US Border and Customs agents are fully able to copy your data for further, more detailed analysis. They do it often...

        Read about what they do via the EFF: https://www.eff.org/wp/defending-privacy-us-border-guide-travelers-carrying-digital-devices

    1. tom dial Silver badge

      Re: If this had happened in the US or Canada, at the border

      "Transport sensitive data across borders ... using those new fangled interwebs". Right past the NSA, GCHQ, FSB and other communication taps. What could go wrong with that?

  1. Keven E.

    Electronics "x-ray" table

    Aren't there sophisticated enough "scanning" devices to see what electrical currents (even minute amounts) are active, so, therefore, booting a device all the way *electrically engages the hard drive, the video card, the motherboard, the nic/wifi interface, the screen... sufficiently exposing the % of the innards of a machine and all of the physical masses and pathways as electricity flows through it?

    <tinfoil>

    Not that that doesn't leave room for explosive stuff I suppose, but.

  2. David 14

    Foreign laws versus Customs and Border Protection

    I have had an encrypted laptop searched when re-entering Canada by customs agents... except they absolutely searched the data on the machine. In answer to my courteous and respectful questions as to the purpose of the search request, I was informed that it was for illegal content such as child pornography.

    I chose to allow the search and unlocked my device... I did so as it was an agent of my own Government, and I felt comfortable that the corporate data was not at risk.

    I questioned my company's lawyer who basically said that I has 2 choices - allow them to search it, or they could seize the laptop and potentially (unlikely) refuse me re-entry in to Canada. When re-entering a country, you are not YET under normal laws and protection against search and seizure.

    But, a regular "security" agent or law enforcement, for that matter, in Canada would not be able to seize and search a computer without cause.... and domestic travel is not, to my knowledge, cause to do so.

    I will provide advice that I received: if you don't want a foreign official to be able to see it, leave it home. Period.

    My $0.02

  3. Wanting more

    Good job...

    ...she didn't have an icon for minesweeper on the desktop

  4. shovelDriver

    Never Left Your Possession, Huh?

    Bear in mind that your device does not have to leave your possession; there are ways to clone drives from a distance. Why did the official ask you to type in your password? Well, there are more than just a few means of intercepting keyboard impulses, so the probability is high that "they" now have the password. Changing it after the fact- if they have indeed cloned a drive - is useless for all the data that is already stored on the drive.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Never Left Your Possession, Huh?

      "there are ways to clone drives from a distance...."

      Powered-off and without touching the device itself? Please elaborate since Google's turning up a blank.

  5. The Other Carl

    Stolen?

    Just a thought... Perhaps there was a laptop stolen in the airport that day, and this was an easy way to see if she owned it? Seems plausible at least.

  6. T J

    Disgusting behaviour

    Disgusting behaviour by the airport security apparatchik. An enquiry should happen, whether it reports or not - this should be high news.

    But yes - don't let some little turd in a uniform compromise your data. Encrypt it on a hidden volume behind a guest account. OR, store your data client-side encrypted online somewhere, and grab it after you've got where you're going - this is what govfuckwiterments have reduced us to.

    Fortunately while they are busy slamming each others' dicks in the door and snorting cocaine, they physically can't legislate the laws of mathematics.

  7. Wzrd1 Silver badge

    Way back before 9-11, way before then

    My mother was supervisor for the contracted pre-departure security for a major US airline. She and her team had regular briefings on the current threats, interestingly enough, many that I had as well for military counterterrorism operations.

    She had related how a recent threat had arose where laptops could appear to be normal laptops, even appear to partially boot up, but if the login was entered a bomb detonated.

    So, the security measure that was so wisely adopted was to force the user to login at the checkpoint. You know, where the passengers and security personnel would still be safe in the case of a detonation.

    Hey, *she* didn't make that call, the FAA did. :/

    But, that is a true story from the late 1990's.

  8. JJKing
    Facepalm

    "terrorists are pretty smart".

    But they still blow themselves up for a deity that doesn't exist so they can get 72 raisins in a place that also doesn't exist. How can that be smart?

  9. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    USA has been doing this for years

    Katie Moussouris should check with her own country's policies before bad-mouthing others. Read about what the USA does courtesy of the EFF: https://www.eff.org/wp/defending-privacy-us-border-guide-travelers-carrying-digital-devices

  10. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    This is only on US orders, for US-bound flights

    As a frequent user of the Paris' airports, let it be clear: this special treatment is reserved for people flying to the US. There is a special, additional security check before boarding that will have some more requests, open your luggage, point at random things and ask what's inside (and if you don't remember immediately, they'll ask you to open it). It's been in place for more than a decade, following the 2001 attacks.

    Flight to other countries, European or otherwise, do not get that.

    If your destination is European, you can often board a plane without showing your ID card even *once*.

    So please, no French-bashing here, they're doing the security circus that Americans are telling them to do. Good that it hit a semi-celebrity at last so that annoyance finally reach the news...

  11. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    An interesting exercise

    Possibly incompetence on the part of officialdom - but maybe not.

    I imaging that it would not be too difficult these days to make a laptop that appeared to power up and operate yet without a hard-drive ... and hard drives are dense metally things that x-rays don't go through too well - rather like other dense things that can go pop.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: An interesting exercise

      Hard drives may be dense and metallic...but the housings usually aren't wholly metallic, plus due to design necessities, you can expect the interior to feature certain features in their x-ray silhouettes, like the platters. You can search and find x-ray images of hard drives. Trying to make explosives look like a bunch of authentic hard drives platters that can match that x-ray silhouette would be too elaborate and prone to breaking (some explosives can be solid, but not that solid).

  12. paulc

    time for deeper measures...

    our laptops are purely used as dumb terminals via our company VPN

  13. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Hang on ...

    suppose ... just suppose ... that the laptop in question, whilst under the physical control of the passenger, isn't actually theirs ? Meaning they WOULDN'T KNOW the login details.

    It could be a team/support laptop that was bought along "just in case" but not all the team know (or need to know) the login.

    1. Matt Bryant Silver badge
      Facepalm

      Re: AC Re: Hang on ...

      ".....Meaning they WOULDN'T KNOW the login details....." In such a case the result is you are not allowed to take the device onto the aircraft unless you can power it on and show it is a working device. You will be given the choice of proceeding without the item or not boarding. If you are lucky you might be allowed to open the device to show the interior components, but it is far more likely you will be forced to wait for a detailed examination by a police/TSA techie or the bomb squad (http://www.cnn.com/2014/07/06/us/tsa-security-measures/index.html). And not being able to power on the device will lead to additional screening measures (possibly including graphite grease and rubber gloves!).

  14. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Making sure it's not a fake laptop containing a bomb?

    Just powering up isn't enough, it might be playing a video or showing a picture.

  15. Hans 1
    WTF?

    This is US Regulation, FFS

    1. US has this brain-dead regulation that says that on outbound flights to the US, electronic devices must be checked (turned on) by security personnel.

    2. She might have had Linux installed, which the airport security staffer has probably never seen (they do not go to libraries much). Or the Windows/OS X logo was not displayed before decryption.

    Why is this news ? The French are actively trying to comply with US legislation, maybe a tad zealous, but hey ... as for the privacy moaners ... what personal data does a a login screen expose, exactly ? A custom background image, maybe ?

  16. Leeroy

    wrong checks

    This happened to me when leaving Canada in 2003.

    I had to power up the laptop and log onto it. To be honest I was a bit miffed at having to go through security at all as it was an RAF flight to the UK with a lot of squaddies on board. We all had our SA80's in our possession and they didn't go through the xray machine or check for loaded rounds. They did however confiscate numerous plastic sporks, multi tools random items including a rabbit skin and a pair of pliers.

    Jobsworths.....

    I should add that we got all the stuff back when we landed, they even wrapped the sporks up and had a printed label with our names on ha ha.

  17. Bob Dole (tm)

    Are we sure the person that pulled her aside was actually a customs agent?

    I can just see a hacker group copying her hard drive when she was away from it, then needing the password to decrypt the copy.

  18. Sergey 1
    Pint

    Though that's what they do to a percentage of passengers flying westbound across the Atlantic.

    Happened to me in the UK.

    Looks like nothing to do with France, it's the US that requests this measure.

  19. Matt Bryant Silver badge
    Stop

    Yawn.

    The real problem here is Katie Moussouris is (a) such a geek she didn't know about the additional security measures on European-to-US flights, and (b) such a self-centered narcissist that she assumed the check was down to her being such a VIP (in her own mind anyway). Throw in the usual paranoia about "The Man" and you arrive at the current fuss.

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