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>> unfortunately the 'leaders' of such groups push for equality through 'positive' discrimination same way the races do...
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Emma Watson urges UN to back feminism – trolls threaten to leak her 'nude selfies'
At the weekend, actress Emma Watson gave a well-argued and reasoned speech to the UN calling for better relations between the sexes. And lo, internet trolls appear to have set up a website threatening to release nude photographs of the Harry Potter star. The site, www.emmayouarenext.com, features a 4chan logo, a badly …
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Wednesday 24th September 2014 01:21 GMT Infernoz
"Positive" decrimination and feminist conditioned men are oppressing men.
This nonsense ironically hurts women as badly as men, as documented in the book
"The Myth of Male Power" by Dr Warren Farrell, so the trolls attack is half justified.
Stupid Emma Watson is not helping because the solution is not more feminism and distractions like acceptance of a variance of attributes for males and females, rather it is to stop denying that men and women are different, so think and behave in the different ways, even if there is some overlap.
Too many men have been at least partially conditioned by abuse of feminism by fanatic feminist women has made it socially and legally destructive.
I'm pissed off hearing 'empowered' (spoilt) women saying the problem is 'immature' men when we should be trying to meet at the overlap, and accept and appreciate our complementary differences.
Us men should stop suffering in silence, speak up and expect to be treated as equals; that include learning to spot and no longer accepting abusive manipulation by spoilt women, so that they grow up and become better people. This needs to get political too, to roll back the destructive excesses of feminism e.g. for unfair paternity and maintenance rulings.
As for the UN; no frigging way do I have any respect or trust that gang of Socialist power usurpers.
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Wednesday 24th September 2014 08:41 GMT h4rm0ny
Re: "Positive" decrimination and feminist conditioned men are oppressing men.
I don't believe you have read what Emma Watson wrote at all. You write multiple paragraphs about what's wrong with doctrines of women being superior, of 'denying that men and women are different', etc. And yet her speech is all about men and women being treated with equal courtesy and respect and coming together. Find anything in her speech which supports your rant, please! You've just used this as an opportunity for your own axe-grinding.
As to "recognizing that men and women are different", you clearly haven't thought through what the meaning of "equal opportunity" actually is.
Even if there are different tendencies between men and women (and the fact that gender ratios in science differ markedly between nations and cultures despite the same genetics indicates there's a long way to go before we've eliminated cultural bias), those tendencies were have to be staggeringly high to make it more efficient to discriminate on gender than individual assessment. Like on the order of 50% average difference in ability level.
It takes only a basic grasp of statistics to realise that a slight difference in average ability in an area does not support discrimination on an individual level. That is why I know you are arguing from a political / personal viewpoint, rather than on a scientific basis. And that you suppose these "differences" are primarily inherent rather than cultural / sociological is shot down rather badly by the fact that, e.g., the sexes are far more equally represented in computer programming in say India, than they are in the USA. And many similar examples.
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Wednesday 24th September 2014 09:27 GMT Craigness
Re: "Positive" decrimination and feminist conditioned men are oppressing men.
@h4rm0ny why focus on areas where women are under-represented? Doing so will only lead to a sexist outcome, which is what we've got.
Equality of opportunity is where there are no quotas for women MPs, CEOs etc but everyone is allowed to try. Unfortunately we do have those quotas, but we don't have anything for male teachers and social workers because such quotas would not benefit women. And there is nothing to get equal representation of women fixing power lines at night in December in a snowstorm because those quotas would not give women safe, well-paid, high-profile jobs. There is nothing to enforce equal disposable income between the sexes (where women spend more than men), or to correlate benefits paid to each sex (women get more) with taxes paid by each sex (men pay more). There is nothing done to address the difference in hours worked by each sex (because that would benefit men, who put in longer hours and miss out on family time) but there are efforts to fix the difference in pay which those shorter hours lead to (because that would benefit women, who work less than men). Nobody will address what you might call the obvious sexism in university admissions (more women than men) because "we" as a society only want equality when it puts women above men. If you want equality of opportunity you are an MRA, not a feminist. Try for yourself and see what responses you get when you talk to feminists about equality rather than special privileges for women!
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Wednesday 24th September 2014 10:33 GMT h4rm0ny
Re: "Positive" decrimination and feminist conditioned men are oppressing men.
>>"If you want equality of opportunity you are an MRA, not a feminist. Try for yourself and see what responses you get when you talk to feminists about equality rather than special privileges for women!"
I've been a feminist since I was at school - which is quite some time ago, and I'm fairly well-read in feminist theory. I've been an active feminist on many an occasion. What you say is not true. We, on the overwhelming whole, believe in equality, not female privilege. Nearly all popular feminist writers have this position and it matches the popular definitions of feminism (and I have linked to sources elsewhere showing this). I don't need to "talk to feminists", I am one and have been active in actions that can be legitimately called feminist (and those actions had plenty of men in them also). Quite simply, stop assuming authority and pronouncing on what feminism is. You wont find anything close to a majority of feminists agreeing with your description of us which, by definition, makes you wrong.
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Wednesday 24th September 2014 11:53 GMT Indolent Wretch
Re: "Positive" decrimination and feminist conditioned men are oppressing men.
It won't work.
He's never looked.
He probably never will look.
He's never read a single thing actually written by a feminist that wasn't first misrepresented by another MRA posting in a board about "bitches and what we need to do to fix them".
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Wednesday 24th September 2014 08:11 GMT smithy46
Preserving modesty
What I don't understand is why anyone would care about naked pictures of themselves being released. Sure a few people might get some jollies from them but other than that I don't really see what the harm is. I wasn't aware we still had such a backward culture that believes someone seeing you naked violates you in some way or shames you. It's your body. That's what it looks like it. Get over it.
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Wednesday 24th September 2014 08:43 GMT h4rm0ny
Re: Preserving modesty
Just because something doesn't bother you, doesn't mean it doesn't distress other people. And this is something that is shared by most of the human race. That you claim to be different to the majority of people (who would be distressed if private activity was shared and pawed over by the whole world), doesn't mean you should dismiss everyone else's feelings.
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Wednesday 24th September 2014 09:48 GMT Anonymous Coward
Re: Preserving modesty
I think that ANY release of photos that were not intended for public consumption is a violation, whether its clothed or not, makes no difference IMHO, it is the release itself that is the violation...
The problem with modern society is that people hide their bodies.... if your from a society where people don't hide their bodies so much, then nude photos of celebs loose their shock appeal...
Hell in the US of A there was a massive uproar over a nipple... in the UK we (i hope) would have just had a very big laugh...
People might start saying 'think of the children' but if a child can't see a boobie without giggling then that is a bad sign...
I have no problem with my children seeing nudity, I have more of a problem with them seeing too much violence.. and I have no worries about them seeing sexual content, my son sees a couple kiss on tv and he hides his eyes!
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Wednesday 24th September 2014 10:05 GMT Anonymous Coward
Re: Preserving modesty
"I wasn't aware we still had such a backward culture that believes someone seeing you naked violates you in some way or shames you."
It is interesting that any threat to blackmail someone with their naked pictures is actually using the weapon of our societies' attitudes. It is society who does the damage to the victim by making them feel it was wrong to ever want to see their own body from an independent perspective.
Blackmail, or humiliation, only works if a society's mores encourage a particular censure of an individual.
President Sukarno of Indonesia was set up by the KGB covertly filming him in a Russian hotel room with some women. He spiked their subsequent blackmail attempt by ordering several copies of the film for distribution in Indonesian cinemas. By Indonesian mores the images would show him as a man to be respected.
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Wednesday 24th September 2014 09:29 GMT teebie
Churnalism
So there was never any evidence the site was set up in response to Emma watson's speech, and it turns out the site wasn't set up by the 4chan "community", but was part of a bizarre pro-censorship pseudo-feminist(*) campaign by Rantic. But The Register happily repeated their guff anyway.
May I suggest hiring some less credulous writers?
(*) If your feminist campaign's means are to lead people to believe that the result of giving a pro-feminist speech is a nude photo backlash then you aren't very good at promoting feminism.
If your feminist campaign's means lead Emma Watson to believe that nude photos of her will be released as part of an agnry internet campaign of harassment then you don't seem to be particularly keen on treating women well.
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Wednesday 24th September 2014 11:04 GMT Anonymous Coward
The problem with this story is that it turns out that the threats were fake created by a rather bizarre feminist pro censorship group.
The second problem is a genral context and environment where it is taken as a 'fact' that women on the internet receive a disproportionate amount of abuse when the only study done on the subject is that the opposite is true with women treated better and abused less than men. http://demos.co.uk/press_releases/demosmalecelebritiesreceivemoreabuseontwitterthanwomen
Along similar lines the story of threats against Anita Sarkeesian is looking shaky to say the least.
It matters when journalists propgate false and misleading views of the world because actions are taken based on false information real problems are ignored or solutions implemented that do not address the nature of the problem. Stories that confirm our assumptions and prejudices need just as much checking, perhaps more than those that do not.
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Wednesday 24th September 2014 12:00 GMT John Deeb
rotten tomatoes
Emma: "Both men and women should feel free to be sensitive. .... start defining ourselves by what we are — we can all be freer and this is what HeForShe is about. It's about freedom."
But this implies they also should be free, men and women, to be very insensitive and defining themselves as a troll, by haunting celebrities on soapboxes? Her rhetoric goes nowhere. Since the dawn of time the person on the stage has been subject to praise and rotten tomatoes in all shapes and forms. The whole world wide web is a stage nowadays and we are merely surfers, icons, avatars and tweets. This whole thing seems up-side-down logic: the limelight is so harsh, please dim the audience!? Keanu Reeves has more right to complain with the female stalkers in his house lately.
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Wednesday 24th September 2014 14:20 GMT Connor
Men!
Why is it always men in the firing line? Of the people that I know that looked at the pictures, at least half were women. When the Tulisa sex tape came out, it was only women that had seen it from amongst my peers, they were all laughing and joking about it. I don't like this attitude; it is women taking the photos (or posing for them), storing the photos on their phones, insouciantly storing them on various online services and yet it is the purely the fault of men for viewing them. Apparently men need re-education for having the desiring to view pictures of women, however the women drooling over half naked pictures of Alexandar Skarsgaard and demanding more are merely exhibiting a natural inclination and need no re-education.
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Thursday 25th September 2014 23:33 GMT Anonymous Coward
so..
how much does this manufactured fake attack do for generating sympathy and/or support for Ms. Watson and her causes?
Methinks "marketing" in this case turned out to be very beneficial. It adds to credibility have some howling around when you're elling about wolves. And the sympathy of "poor girl under attack" makes deflection of criticism even easier.
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Monday 29th September 2014 16:22 GMT masculinitybelongstomen
Mature masculinity belongs to men. Masculine women who reject femininity are immature.
Feminism: cowards unable to fight their own battles, so obviously misguided in nature.
Using their sex appeal to persuade the masses, selling it online to promote their name, playing the victim to fulfill the agenda.
Lets continue to piss of the rest of the world and promote world war 3 all in the name of... women's rights?
Sounds like a good agenda, get every man on earth to want to die for your cause, be left with 20% of a male population... EXACTLY WHAT feminism and feminists keeps saying they WANT PUBLICLY.
How stupid are people? pretty freaking stupid. Baaaaad sheople. Baaaaad.
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Wednesday 5th November 2014 10:11 GMT Mooseman
Re: Mature masculinity belongs to men. Masculine women who reject femininity are immature.
Uh....feminists are openly campaigning for an 80% cull of the male population and are demanding WW3 to achieve this ?
Whatever you are on...can I have some?
I'm frankly astonished at the caveman attitudes displayed in this thread - feminism is about equality of treatment of both men and women, for example equal pay for doing the same job no matter if it's working in IT or engineering.
I'm not in favour of positive discrimination or "quotas", I don't believe they do anyone any favours, but I am in favour of an equal opportunity for both sexes to do the job in question, whatever it may be.
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Thursday 2nd October 2014 12:58 GMT Anonymous Coward
Emma Watson nude photos? why take them if they are so embarressing
There seems to be a thing at the moment with people taking photographs of themselves that they are embaressed about, so why do they take them?. I personally have never felt the need, nor can understand why anyone would but then again I would not like to be in TV or any other form of publicity
From what I have seen of the various industries that make millions from pandering to the "public need to know" then the cost would be far to high. That so many "stars" have commit suicide or need to abuse drugs suggests that the environment in which they "work" is bad for you, unless of course you were already sick to begin with.
So when one of these "stars" says anything then I am going to apply a fairly large mountain of salt, it doesnt matter if they are even close to the truth because the source is IMHO tainted and is alien to me.
As to Miss Watson, I had to endure the Harry Potter films due to my children having read the books and it was very clear from first glance that this actor is tainted. The way she moves and her facial expressions speak of her inner hatred, you could already see the too often expressed snarl being etched into her face and this was in the very first film when she was school age. If she took embaressing photographs of herself are we suprised or even care? I don't, she is after all just being herself, if anyone is surpised by her actions then they really are immature.
In the western world here has been an over swing on the sexual bias scales, it doesnt matter because the scales will never be balanced. As ever the same people who will use anything to gain power and publicity are trying to push it further but don't worry the harder they push the further it swings back on the next cycle.
Nothing new or unexpect here
Biting the hand that feeds IT
