Re: Protocol breakdown by traffic
Newspapers and blogs are quite rightly back-slapping Brit inventor Tim Berners-Lee today – the man who brought the world wide web to the, er, world 25 years ago today. It's a pity, then, that mainstream publications continue to stumble over the concept by lazily and wrongly saying that Berners-Lee birthed the internet. Sub- …
What, no mention of <gasp!> porn ?
What is the world coming to ?
"Cleartext commands to nuclear power station cooling rod servo systems, etc etc... "
I see what you did there.
""Cleartext commands to nuclear power station cooling rod servo systems, etc etc... "
I see what you did there."
I watched a lecture about a decade ago, about an Internet researcher who was upset that she couldn't understand the content of the Internet traffic anymore. Meaning: less than 50% was documented protocols like HTTP, HTTPS, SMTP, NNTP, FTP etc. and more than 50% was god knows what. (probably Bittorrent??). I don't know what it is now. There's some info at isc.sans.edu.
Webmail really only front-ends email, so the traffic is SMTP, POP/IMAP etc. - only http as far as the web server. Same with a lot of web forms that generate email messages.
Usenet I use regularly. Didn't it use UUCP originally? I first used it on a Unix system and that was pre-WWW.
I do run FTP servers and use FTP to upload files to web sites. Never used gopher though.
But he wasn't shouting.....
An Observer headline on Sunday had Major Tim Peake as the first Brit in space. Confusing web and internet is mild in comparison to such egregiousness.
The internet is the same age as me... god I feel old.
"The internet is the same age as me... god I feel old."
Yes that was its birthday. It was conceived (as ARPANET) in 1962 (iirc) and christened Internet around 1973, I guess when it escaped from being a purely military protocol.
A lot of the people that I know believe that the Internet is the big blue E on the screen thingy...
Fools! If only they knew it's actually a small black box... Just ask Jen!
elephants can have fleas but fleas can't have elephants. The web is just part of the Internet — it just happens that that's the part most people use most (excepting, perhaps, e-mail).
Most people who use email use it from a browser; i.e. the web
And the ones who use email most aren't people, they're spambots.
email is still a thing? who knew
True, quite a few people do use the web as their interface to email, but email messages are still routed over the internet using SMTP, which incidentally, is what your average spambot talks.
It's called the Interweb
So that small black box with the red light on it is 25 years old? Wow.
"So that small black box with the red light on it is 25 years old? Wow."
No the light is 25 years old, the box is 51 and is still sporting a buzz cut.
I will Gopher my hat and coat.
Whoami? I will get my self out of here before I am fingered and someone is made to kill me, feed me to the lynx or hang me from an elm.
Those were the days, a 1200 baud modem, Unix commands and a yellow or green terminal.
Yoof of today, try and tell them that and they would laugh at you Zebediah.
Only one thing for it: Berners-Lee vs Gore smackdown!
We demand Thunderdome!
Wasn't it Stephen Fry who invented the internet just before he invented Blogging and infrared remote controls?
The Web is the toilet, the Internet is the sewer!
The Web is the toilet, the Internet is the sewer!
That may still be too complicated for some people. Many times I've heard people confusing "sewage" and "sewerage".
On another topic, I can remember the first time I got into using the web. We weren't allowed direct access to the net, so I had to use usenet to get the address of a web remailer. You'd send a mail message somewhere and you'd get a set of uuencoded emails back containing the content of the page you requested. It was the need to piece the mails back together in the right order and decode them that started me learning Perl (though I probably wrote the thing in Awk first). Then fire up Mosaic (ugh) to view the decoded HTML file locally. Come to think of it, there was probably no Internet involved in delivering web pages in this way (mail probably being delivered by uucp over dedicated x.25 links).
When I was trying to figure out how the whole thing worked, I assumed that the whole web worked like a store-and-forward network (like usenet or fidonet), with intervening nodes caching any requested pages. I was wrong about that, but not totally because caching proxies did come later and are a pretty essential thing in many places.
On BBC Five Live this morning they went for it in style. TBL inventing the Internet was just for starters. Then they said "send us a text you wish you'd sent 25 years ago". Errr ...
Not that far off - I was certainly using SMS 20 years ago (though I was working at BT's Research Labs at the time).
While many people confuse the Internet and the World Wide Web, it's mostly because it doesn't matter to them. Coming from England I refer to "putting petrol in my car", whereas somebody in the late 19th century might quibble that I am actually putting "refined petroleum in my horseless carriage's internal combustion engine" or similar. Petrol being Eugene Carless's trade name for his product.
It could be wourse; at least we're not celebrating the anniversary of TBL inventing Twitter.
Just for clarification, proper spelling doesn't mandate the use of a 'u' in between every instance of 'o' and 'r'.
At least you aren't trying to put Gas in your tank.
I often wondered how Americans managed to stop it escaping into the atmosphere, but then I guess their Gas is heavier than air.
Now it’s hard to imagine a world without Google and Facebook, but 25 years ago when the internet was still called the world wide web, the landscape was very different.
I thought the worldwide inter tubes were built on twitter. #iamsoclever
Isn't this the same thing for most users?
I bet, if I went in to work, and posted a note on the noticeboard saying I'd give a crisp fiver to the first person that can tell me what IMAP, SFTP, and https are in a sentence each, the only way I'd get an answer is if somebody bothers to Google each one.
For oldies, the "internet" is the spinny 'e'. For the more astute, it's the phoenix-rodent thing. For everybody, it's Google and Facebook[*]...
* - we're talking about people that Google the name of the company to find the company website, even though the company domain IS the name of the company! (with a .com at the end, but Firefox can work that out for itself)
...that I used in 1985: email@example.com
Yes, the domain *was* the wrong way around. We had a bulletin circulated explaining why we were changing it around.
(I can't remember the email address I used in 1985, it was buried under layers of proxies and redirections.)
And my internet site! ftp:uk.stir.cs/~cs870638/pub or something.
firstname.lastname@example.org and email@example.com
, though you beat me by a couple of years!
What was the uucp gateway to Janet? I seem to remember using something like ...genvax!tardis.cs.ed.ac.uk!eimaj
Oh, and the domain wasn't the wrong way around.. NOW it's the wrong way around! !
I am so confused...
This silly myth has long since been corrected, and replaced by a trendy, newer, more truthful version:
Actually, Al Gore invented THE DRONE.
A second entry from the Mail.
"25 years after a Briton dreamed up the internet... Who knew a biting baby and a sneezing panda would be such World Wide Wonders!"
Great article, Kelly... and no doubt that you also spotted that the mighty BBC (British Bumbling Corporation) was proclaiming the same thing yesterday evening on terrestrial and satellite TV, captioning Sir Tim as the "Inventor of the Internet" on every appearance and describing him as such late last night on BBC Radio.
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