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President Barack Obama has urged Americans to be patient during the launch of his US healthcare reforms - reminding them that Apple's iOS 7 rollout suffered glitches too and yet everyone put up with that. The website for the country's new health insurance "marketplace" - dubbed Obamacare - has been beset with problems amid a …

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  1. DJO Silver badge
    Joke

    Joke

    I say I say I say, what's the difference between a spoilt petulant 7 year old and a Republican congressman?

    A: None whatsoever, except one of them has a good reason for acting like a 7 year old.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Joke

      And the 7 year old has the right to be ignorant.

      1. DJO Silver badge

        Re: Joke

        Seems to be a lot more Republicans visiting this site than one might otherwise expect.

        1. DJO Silver badge

          Re: Joke

          As my "joke" at the time I write this has 6 downvotes I would like to say I' very sorry and would most sincerely like to apologize to any seven year olds I may have inadvertently offended.

  2. Toothpick
    Megaphone

    I would never have guessed

    Jasper had written this.

    Did Obama say that iOS 7 was CRAPPY? No. Did he say the deployment was CRAPPY? No. He said glitches.

    Never let facts get in the way of a CRAPPY headline eh?

    1. Ted Treen
      Holmes

      Re: I would never have guessed

      Jasper's just following a long tradition of El Reg sponsored anti-Apple trollery masquerading as journalism.

      Awaits deluge of down votes from pubescent slaverers , or deletion by outraged El Reg Obertrollführer...

      1. Mephistro
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        Re: I would never have guessed (@ Tred Green)

        "Awaits deluge of down votes from pubescent slaverers."

        Here is mine, Tred, and it should count as five votes, as I'm old enough to have reached pubescence five times. Don't know WTF a 'slaverer' is, though.

        If you hadn't noticed, ElReg is not too 'multinational friendly'. Why should they make an exception with Apple?

  3. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    I don't know what they are complaining about

    They waited 200+ years for some kind of universal health care system. Surely another few hours on a website isn't that bad?

  4. Tromos
    Joke

    "I don't remember anybody suggesting Apple should stop selling iPhones or iPads..."

    Obama's obviously not a Reg reader then.

  5. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    This is interesting.....

    Not.

    Local politics is for locals.

  6. MacGyver

    It's kind of easy to explain.

    Some citizens were programmed by their parents to be racist, some are programmed to be happy with being ignorant. (the former were programmed with both, sadly).

    Mix in that the U.S. has an education and critical thinking problem. (from not placing those high on the funding list)

    Some issues are brought about by religion encroaching into politics (and the absolutes it brings).

    Add in the fact that most politicians think they are corporately sponsored Professional Wrestlers. "We're not going let them win, we're going to beat back those commie pinkos, Emurka! (brought to you buy Carl's Jr.)"

    You mix greedy ignorant grand-standers that are sure they are absolutely right, and you get the nightmare you see unfolding. (don't even ask were the money comes from that funds them, that's a whole other thing)

  7. Pirate Dave Silver badge
    Pirate

    Eh?

    "He said hundreds of thousands of people had flooded the website, which slowed down the system,"

    They do realize there are MILLIONS of us, right? And they have a system that can scale to handle such a load, right?

    1. Lars Silver badge

      Re: Eh?

      They should have seen this coming, perhaps, but then again it's not like everybody applying for health care every day of the year.

      1. Pirate Dave Silver badge

        Re: Eh?

        But then again, it's not like we've had Obamacare go into effect before, either.

        They should have planned the details as big as they planned their ideals. They are, after all, the federal government - the same folks who gave us the Internet. It shouldn't really have been an issue. I mean, geez, how many super computers does our federal government have on the Top500 list, but they can't even properly prepare a website for the start of a major, massive program like Obamacare? I guess now that their ideals are enshrined in law, then the devil with the details. It'll be the same shoddy service we're used to from DC.

      2. JEDIDIAH

        Re: Eh?

        > They should have seen this coming, perhaps, but then again it's not like everybody applying for health care every day of the year.

        Not an uncommon problem in IT. There are many businesses that experience predictable extreme spikes in usage. Also, it is very common place for there to be "open enrollment" periods for insurance in particular.

        ...all of it was obviously forseeable.

        Civil servants and government contractors will likely just get a free pass.

  8. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    So...

    What does Obama get out of name-dropping Apple like that? Are they sponsoring healthcare in some way? It's bizarre. Problems with iOS7? I have no idea what that even means. Obviously it's the latest Apple OS, but for what? Seriously, I don't know, I don't use them. How many people think the same? What the fuck is happening when a president tries to explain something to the nation that half of them can't afford or even know exists? Seriously, What The Fuck?

  9. SirDigalot

    living here for a while

    and being from a pinko-commie-socialist-facist ally namely the uk I seem to have noticed a few things.

    A lot of us out here ( the us meaning Americans, since I am one now) have the attitude of "I got mine forget you" which is part of this whole shebang.

    I have health insurance, I do not need it (yet) so ACA does not really bother me, so therefore it is just tough bananas if you do not have your own insurance, maybe you should get a job that has it.

    At least that's sort of the way it seems, those who have are shouting the loudest because they think those who have not, or cannot afford, should not a get a free ride on their dime.

    The chances are these people already have insurance, and do not think about it, they have theirs...

    Many never knew the massive limitations on the whole private insurance system, limited coverage, denied claims ( yes I suppose with the right spin, they could be called death panels, but it is private so it because loss prevention or limited risk or something) the private companies love someone like me young enough, healthy only time I see a doctor is on TV etc.. my insurance is dutifully removed from my paycheck etc...

    They hate...my wife, a type 1 diabetic and my daughter... a type 1 diabetic

    damn them! they are sick

    however, given the amount I pay per month and the amount the insurance pays out, they are still in the black.

    sad really.

    not everyone is like that of course, but a lot of the people I work with are ( these are, interestingly people with what could be considered a deniable pre existing condition too though workplace insurance cannot refuse coverage only private... well now they can't do that either!

    as for costs... yes medical malpractice lawsuits need to be reigned in a lot. Human + sharp things + induced coma + big holes in body are generally a recipe for things to go wrong every now and then.

    but the cost of education also has a part to play... doctors that come out of school with debts that would buy a nice house and car.

    we need multiple area reform to get the whole system working better, however I feel there are too many people with a piece of the pie that prevents things from moving anywhere but in their favour.

  10. sisk

    Huge difference

    iOS7 presumably ultimately does what it's supposed to in spite of the bugs. With Obamacare that's not the case. I know people who couldn't afford health insurance before. Guess what? They still can't, only now they have a choice between a tax penalty (that they can't afford) and high deductible health insurance (that they can't afford) which actually ends up costing them more than if they had no insurance at all. Doctors charge you significantly more if you have insurance and the deductibles that these people can get are so high that they're actually more than the lower rate the doctors would be charging them if they had no insurance.

    Maybe by 2016 when Obamacare is in full swing the problems will be worked out, but until then the people in income brackets low enough to not be able to afford insurance before (you know, the ones its supposed to be helping?) are just screwed.

  11. Herby

    Wait for it!!

    All this health "service", we will have a lack of MDs (my wife is one!). Then they will institute wait times for "services".

    I suspect that there will be waits of about 9 months for pre-natal care coming soon.

    Something to remember: "Life is a terminal disease!".

  12. Javapapa

    Non political observation from a web developer

    The main website http://www.healthcare.gov has five good design points, and five not so good.

    Good News:

    1. Most states ignored creating their own "exchanges" (i.e., marketplaces, aka "shops", aka websites) First question is what state do you reside in, and either told to stay put or click away to the state website. Not an automatic re-direct, but ok.

    2. A few basic questions, such as age or current insurance status, result in static pages to explain if you even need to look further on the exchange. Example, a 65+ user will be told to use Medicare and buzz off.

    3. Static HTML is served up very quickly, most likely through DCN edge servers.

    4. Clean overall layout and adaptive design; also works on phones.

    5. Cute girl photo on the home page.

    Bad News:

    1. Assumption that 30 million uninsured potential buyers know how to purchase on the web.

    2. Assumption that remaining 150 to 200 million adults won't visit the website out of curiosity.

    3. Assumption that millions of El Reg readers don't want to see the home page hottie.

    4. Failure to design to auto-provision for scaling out. Most, if not all of the delay is currently caused by waiting for the signup page to display. Presumably those who are getting enrolled are overpowering the database servers. Or the site is undergoing a massive, unintentional denial of service attack.

    5. Basic design flaw in asking for signup (requiring database i/o) before displaying the inventory of private insurance plans to choose from. Like Amazon requiring you to provide credit card info before searching for books. Part of this is caused by need to present insurance plan lists based on state, county, age, single or family, all of which effect the premium / annual deductible options.

    All in all, not bad for only having three+ years to design an e-commerce site referral site.

  13. David McCoy

    What about The Poor? Open free clinics. Limit the care, no heart bypasses, no liver or kidney transplants.

    We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness

    I don't see anywhere in the Declaration of Independence that Thomas Jefferson said, "but only if you're rich"

  14. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Repulicans deny Evolution

    But they believe in the "survival of the fittest" (healthiest), a form of natural selection.

    1. jason 7

      Re: Repulicans deny Evolution

      I think you may be closer to the truth than you think.

      By denying the poor and weak access to heathcare it's enabled the rich to allow a form of natural selection.

      Unfortunately, it's not the best kind of natural selection as the survivors are highly deficient in other areas.

  15. jelabarre59

    same bad idea

    The USA's health-care system is in the sh*thole it's in precisely *BECAUSE* of government regulation and intervention. So since Government itself caused the problem, what have they presented as the solution?? Why, even MORE government regulation and micromanagement. Because, after all, they haven't *nearly* f*cked you over enough.

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