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Windows Blue - the supposedly leaked sequel to Microsoft's Windows 8 operating system - will apparently look a lot more like Windows Phone 8 and allow users to further personalise their computers. Copies of what appears to be build 9364 of Windows Blue are circulating on peer-to-peer file-sharing networks; once the alpha-grade …

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Re: desktop

>> It does all the same Shit as XP did"

> Except run all your games, all your applications, and Office 2013...

Office 2013 does _not_ run on XP. So that is the same as Mint.

Office (2010 or before) can be made to run on Linux, but OpenOffice or LibreOffice does a good job for most users. Sure, a Ferrari may be a great car but something with less performance is better for going to the shops.

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A bit of Blue for the dads!

Windows Blue - the sexy new operating system from Microsoft!

Get down and dirty with touchy-feely tiles, fondle about in the dark trying to find the desktop and squeal with delight at our new improved USB3 drivers that make inserting a small plug round the back an electrifying experience!

Available for download from microsoft.xxx or grab a physical copy which includes a free bottle of "Clippy Poppers" from all good licensed sex shops!

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WTF?

Eh?

How the hell can someone get so orgasmic over small tiles and on-screen keyboards, and yet totally gloss over the fact that there's no start menu and people just want a desktop? The video would be funny if it was a spoof on how not to create a desktop/laptop OS....

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apparently look a lot more like Windows Phone 8

Wrong way... Go back!

" basic Metro-style calculator"

Cool, just what I need a full screen calculator!

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Re: apparently look a lot more like Windows Phone 8

Fair point. Hands up *anyone* who has ever used the calculator maximised, rather than sitting next to the window where they are doing proper work.

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Re: apparently look a lot more like Windows Phone 8

I didn't even realise you could maximise the calculator...

pull up Windows 8 VM... open desktop, Win-R, calc... Nope maximise is "greyed" out.

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Re: apparently look a lot more like Windows Phone 8

"Cool, just what I need a full screen calculator!"

It is very handy on a touch screen. Perhaps they will put something like that in an OS designed to also work well with touch. Oh wait...

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I don't miss the start menu

I could write a long list of ways that Windows 8 could be improved but, unfashionable as it sounds, I don't miss the start menu. Perhaps someone could explain what I'm supposed be doing wrong.

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Re: I don't miss the start menu

It's a reasonable position and you're doing nothing wrong. You don't need it, that's fine.

The retards who tell me I'm wrong for using it are the problem and unfortunately some of them work at Microsoft. Taking away features because only a minority use them is barely justifiable, taking them away when there's no need to do so at all is unbelievable.

Taking features away because it serves Microsoft marketing plans is simply abuse.

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WSYP

The only thing that would make me want to change to this is if it supports WSYP: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D28FkfJiauk

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WTF?

Clicking both mouse buttons simultaneously brings up a start menu wherever the pointer is, so you don't even have to move the mouse cursor before selection.

Is it really that hard to come up with a new way to do these things, or is 'double buttons clicking once' a patented UI feature or something???

Royalties to .....

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Really?

First I've heard of that.

You sure that's not a Linux desktop?

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Holmes

Start Menu?

If you really want the start menu back, the answer is SIMPLE. Install Start 8 or even better, the FREE, Classic Shell, problem solved. Why don't you just "Bing it" like all those TV people?

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Re: Start Menu?

Locked down corporate pc's here. We're pretty much a Microsoft shop here (except for those pesky engineers who keep asking for Linux systems. And it's not like they do any real work; just sit around designing new products and such.) and what MS ships is what we get. After repeated requests to IT for Classic Shell or Start8, we've taken to piling up extra meeting room chairs in front of our Win8 test system. Deafining silence from IT has most of us thinking they're waiting for Win9.

/mine's the one with the Mc Mini in the pocket.

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Re: Start Menu?

Or create a taskbar shortcut to

C:\Windows\explorer.exe shell:::{2559a1f8-21d7-11d4-bdaf-00c04f60b9f0}

(Google it if you're worried)

Mitigates the pain a little with no 3rd party add-ons required.

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@Spiracle - Re: Start Menu?

{2559a1f8-21d7-11d4-bdaf-00c04f60b9f0} ?!! Wow! Just wow! Who'd have thought of that!

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Re: Start Menu?

"C:\Windows\explorer.exe shell:::{2559a1f8-21d7-11d4-bdaf-00c04f60b9f0}"

That's one of the things I love about Windows...it's so intuitive!

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Re: Start Menu?

Just tried it and as expected, it didn't bring up all the launch shortcuts my Classic Shell menu shows, most significantly it won't show the 'open on screen N' shortcut variants of my media apps.

Metro Start isn't just a deficient UI design, it's functionally inferior to the old Start Menu, which can take a wider variety of link types, is easier to edit and offers more control of launch properties.

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Re:King Zongo

i think you're confusing Eadon with 'Clueless Wintards'.

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NOW I get it...

After all that talk about Windows subscription models and such I finally get it...

'Blue' seems nothing more but a continuous set of updates (formerly known as Service Packs) and Microsoft will continue releasing them until the general public finally buys into Windows (8) again.

Something I personally don't see happening any time soon so maybe we'll get lucky and it will also force Microsoft to keep Windows 7 around for a very, very long time (hopefully longer than XP!).

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Tried for months to like windows 8

Then I installed mint linux and it looks and feel just like a computer should.

I only boot windows now for the occasional game.

It will take a complete redesign now for me to go back to windows. This isn't it.

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Troll

Look at the clock 2/3 of the way in: 13:37

Coincidence?

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Re: Troll

>Implying that Windows 8 is in anyway, shape or form elite...

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Wow, Eadon is going to be very annoyed that MS have not listened to his comments.

Looks like they have gone the complete opposite way, just to annoy him further.

Seriously though, is MS really going to back track on the whole TIFKAM UI? I dont think so, people hated the ribbon, but it is still there (I hate the ribbon, but from the perspective that I used to be a UX developer and the big bosses wanted the ribbon on everything). Most people can find their way about it with either a little bit of Google or common sense.

TIFKAM is essentially a giant start menu, with a little tile in the bottom left corner called "Desktop". Clicking it gives you the desktop, or - and this is the really technical part - just pressing the Windows key brings you to the desktop.

Even getting to things like Explorer or the command prompt is relatively simple once you figure out that things are more or less in the same place on the desktop, they just need a right click as opposed to a left click.

I wonder how many people would still be enraged if MS had decided to boot straight into the desktop as opposed to the start screen, no idea personally. Did they go too far with TIFKAM? In my opinion yes they did, they got carried away with the sudden Metro love that WinPhone 7 brought and jumped the gun a bit with Windows 8.

I can see the reasoning behind doing it as well, unifying all their UX into one identical method. No idea if it will pay off.

I see a lot of people who seem to be sysads on here stating it will not go on their network because of TIFKAM and I can understand why. There are people out there who can barely navigate Windows 7, let alone 8.

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I really wish the lot of you would shut the hell up about this "Eadon" guy. You are obsessed with the guy, and all the references to the guy are more annoying than anything he could possibly say.

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FAIL

Not what I wanted to see.

It's good that Windows 8 is getting some usability fixes, but it's still missing the one key feature I care about.

And it's not the Start menu. I'd like that back but if Microsoft wants to take it away, I'll deal. What I NEED back in the next SP for Windows 8 is the Aero Glass theme and the theme-able desktop in general.

I kind of understand why Microsoft took away the themed desktop (force everyone to think of RT and apps first) -- but I can't stand working in the flat, featureless user interface. Things like Server Manager and Visual Studio are a huge pain to use for me...acres of monochrome text and icons with very little standing out. The other thing I'm not a fan of is the flat window controls; on a busy screen it can be hard to find what's actually the active window (and yes, I know the color changes, but Aero to me was much easier to navigate.)

I'm disappointed, because Win8 and Server 2012 make huge improvements (Client Hyper-V, neat storage stuff in Server 2012) but it's held back by a user interface I don't like using.

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Re: Not what I wanted to see.

That would help, but really the entire idea of using a touchscreen interface on a PC is so broken that it simply can't be fixed. TIFKAM needs to go and that's all there is to it.

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Re: Not what I wanted to see.

"the entire idea of using a touchscreen interface on a PC is so broken that it simply can't be fixed" - Windows 8 works great here on my touchscreen HP Laptop. Suspect you don't actually have a clue....

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Re: Not what I wanted to see.

Actually tried to use Win8 for a few days it or just parroting what the PFY "IT expert" from your cousin 2nd degrees hairdresses told her? There may be some use cases where Modern does not work but they are rare.

On my dual monitor desktop the "72 most used desktop programs" are always just one WIN-Key press away AND there is still space for News, Weather and a Messenger. Don't even have to take my hands of the keyboard to start them. No more "unmask desktop" or "guess wether this is the start icon or a running instance in the taskbar" games. (You can still play them if you like), taskbar stretching over the monitors ...

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As odd as it sounds

Microsoft is in a very good possition here. They have already hit bottom and survived. All they have to do now is keep tweaking thier OS until everyone is happy. Apple on the other hand is only beginning thier free fall and will be hitting a difficult stretch unless they can find the right visionary to take up the slack. apple needs a visionary leader. Someone who leads the industry in new directions. People like that don't come along every day.

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Re: As odd as it sounds

I have to wonder whether Microsoft can come back. Sure, they have plenty of money to burn, but they've gone pretty far down the track of trying to turn the Windows desktop into the iPad. They went out and built their own line of hardware. They developed an entire Windows Store and app ecosystem that emulates Apple's. They even have brick-and-mortar Microsoft stores in prime retail locations next to the Apple Store. (I went in one yesterday and was the only customer on a busy weekend shopping day.)

The problem is whether or not they will be able to take some of this back and say "oops." Not everything they are doing with this model is wrong, but so much of it is just a blatant copy of Apple iDevices and Android phones. I actually like things like the Surface Pro form factor -- it's great to have an almost fully-fledged PC in roughly the same footprint as a tablet. It finally makes things like vertical market applications useful. I agree that PC user interfaces could use a little updating, but IMO the tablet/iOS model isn't the best possible world either.

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Re: As odd as it sounds

Nope,

as in 'NO hoPE' - at least not as long as it's being run as a one giant Ballmerian Chimera: it's made up of ~3 different animals (desktop/server/systems, services and apps, mobile & entertainment), resulting in a monster with more than one head, running amok due to the lack of utterly clueless leadership...

...which is the direct result of Gates throwing the reins at the horse, in this case at the angry, bald, chair-throwing one. Let's face it: MS' current CEO wasted a DECADE not doing anything meaningful and I'm being very generous here - he pretty much destroyed its soul - and now it's trying to force-feed us with a bunch of half-baked junk like Windows 8 and, apparently, following it up with trying to put even more lipstick on this pig, using the only (stupid) formula he knows, throwing more and more money at everything, disregarding the more and more diminishing returns...

...BALLMLER MUST GO, urgently, ASAP or it will be very painful for MS.

TL,DR: ut sementem feceris ita metes.

PS: Vanity Fair's excellent piece from last Fall is a mandatory read about Ballmer/MSFT:

"How Microsoft Lost Its Mojo: Steve Ballmer And Corporate America's Most Spectacular Decline"

http://www.vanityfair.com/business/2012/08/microsoft-lost-mojo-steve-ballmer#1

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Re: As odd as it sounds

Apple isn't falling, it is growing slower than the market as a whole, which is not the same thing. The stock price has fallen due to a reduction in forecast future growth prospects.

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Re: As odd as it sounds

The rot started when Microsoft merged the 95 and NT codebase. They confused merged the codebase with merging the OS experience, and the consumerization of Windows started. Coupled with the rise of Apple and Microsoft's terrible, cloying, embarrassing insecurity when put up against the cool kids, and it all went south.

For some reason -- maybe cos I'm reading a book on the Vietnam War-- the word quagmire springs to mind. Ditch Metro, lose an immense amount of face, and have the stock price take a harsh beating; or grind through to the end, annoy big swathes of people, and lose stock value by attrition. No easy answers. Maybe a Windows Plus! Pack needs to be brought to market that let's people skin it how they like.

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Re: As odd as it sounds

Actually they never merged the code bases. The Dos-Externder line ends with Windows ME and was a seperat beast till the end. The only thing that survived (and was thankfully killed in W8) is the looks from the Win95 UI. And even there it is looks not code base. The two where very different under the hood.

The current W8 UI/UX takes some time getting used to but after that - it just works. On EVERY device from a 10'' touchy-toy tablet through penable tablet pc to high powered multi-monitor desktops. It may not be perfect on either of them but you get 90+ percent of what a specialist OS can do on any of them - and just ONE OS, one concept. No more "Telefon is a iThingy so do it that way, Tablet is a Fragmentdroid so this way, Main unit is a Window7 do it another way". Just one way.

Win8 needs some fine tuning, ironically more in the tablet-pc functions like the entry field behaviour (many preferred the Win7 style of auto-show / free positioning drag out to the new "icon in taskbar" style) but OOB it is already better than Win7 on the same hardware both mobile (better power management, faster sleep/wake, better Handwriting/Speech engines - and Win7 was good!) and desktop (better useability for WLAN only desktops, faster boot, better multi-monitor support)

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I like W8.

Really.

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Re: I like W8.

Lose W8. For your future health.

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Just a suggestion to Win 8 haters...

ReactOS welcomes devs, suggestions and donations...

(Sure, it's been stalled a dogs age now, but maybe, just maybe, Win 8 will convince people why it's needed.)

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Re: Just a suggestion to Win 8 haters...

Has it only been one dogs age? I thought it was more like 3 or 4. They never did recover from that snafu when they had to stop and audit all of their code because of one developer's less-than-intelligent mistake. (I'm trying to be nice about it.)

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Amazing

Microsoft's inability to give customers what they want. Almost like they're on a suicide mission.

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Reminds me of

Some old Pink Floyd Lyrics

Astromie Dommie

Lime and limpid green, a second scene

A fight between the blue you once knew.

Floating down, the sound surrounds

Around the icy waters underground.

Jupiter and Saturn, Oberon, Miranda and Titania.

Neptune, Titan, Stars can frighten.

Lime and limpid green, a second scene

A fight between the blue you once knew.

Floating down, the sound surrounds

Around the icy waters underground.

Jupiter and Saturn, Oberon, Miranda and Titania.

Neptune, Titan, Stars can frighten.

Blinding signs flap,

Flicker, flicker, flicker blam. Pow, pow.

Stairway scare, Dan Dare, who's there?

Lime and limpid green, the sounds around

The icy waters under

Lime and limpid green, the sounds around

The icy waters underground.

especially this line

A fight between the blue you once knew.

Syd at his best.

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Re: Astromie Dommie

"Astronomy Domine"

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You'd think MS would want to *forget* the colour blue

Wouldn't you?

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+1 on the start menu.

There is no way I'm switching our two PCs and 3 laptops to Windows 8. Sort it out Ballmer else we're off to see what Mark Shuttlecock can do.

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Wrong move

Unfortunately, Shuttleworth has gone the same way as M$ and cursed Ubuntu with the equally ghastly Unity interface. You can choose one of the other 'buntus it feels like being in a backwater with the primary development effort focused on Unity and, I suspect, Umbutu phone (why does that sound familiar). Fortunately there are other distros - Mint is picking up a lot of refugees.

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