Apple reels as Steve Jobs Flashturbates

Utter nonsense

This article seems to be predicated on so many assumptions. Assumptions that are wrong.

If Flash is so wonderful on mobile devices, then where are all the non-Apple devices running Flash (and not that uselessFlash Lite crap, either)? Adobe have only just got Flash working (sort of, if you ignore the agonising load times) on the very latest Android 2.2 OS. So, is this Jobs' fault. Has he somehow stopped Adobe developing for these devices?

And where did you get the idea that developers are the most important people? They're not. Customers are. Developers will go where there's a market for their products. Okay, ther are a few Penguinistas who'll develop along idealogical lines. However, seeing most of the un-user centric crap they put out, it's no great loss.

And regarding the open/closed debate. Jobs covered this off to. You can develop web apps using open web technologies. However, if you want (a) money or (b) to use some of the more 'specialist' APIs, then you write an App. From a customer perspective, I don't care whether the App Store is open or closed, I only care about what I can do with the apps I can download. So far, I've not seen anything on other platforms that I really want. Certainly not in the limited (and flakey) Android marketplace.

This whole article is just nonsense.

Word of the week...

Flashturbates.

Does this make the Flash fanbois "Flashturbators"?

Adobe _IS_ Lazy and Jobs is right

With all due respect it has taken adobe longer to deliver a barely working player than some people to deliver a whole OS. 10 years after it has finally delivered some most basic accel and only for video, not for other apps and only on one of its supported platforms. We are somehow supposed to sing halelluia to this? Bugger this gently with a chainsaw. A piece of garbageware which fails to use the OS gui management on all platforms and redraws its entire canvas frame by frame even when playing video deserves all the flack it can get.

Jobs is also right regarding performance. It is one of the slowest interpreted languages around. Perl, python, java are all significantly faster.

Jobs is also right regarding flash being closed. If flash was a real open standard people could have implemented an alternative interpreter which would have been faster than the one Adobe uses. It is not that difficult to achieve this. In fact it would have been nearly impossible to have it slower. Adobe can still retain control over the platform by controlling the video/audio and DRM modules (as this is what really matters nowdays).

Apple is where Sony was in the 80's

Sony in the 80's was the brand to own. If you wanted to be associated with the best there is it had to be Sony. Then they thought they could rule the world and started to do their own thing with standards and now Sony still make good products but they have to fight it out with the other brands.

Apple are in the same position right now. They can try to force their agenda and potentially get caught our or take into account the change in the market and respond accordingly.

Let's all get back together in a few years and see what happens.

Paris, because it's all vacuous anyway.

Flash != open

"Jobs squandered it when he ignited a heated fight with Adobe Systems about Flash. [...] He risks damaging Apple in the eyes of the very people it needs most: developers serious about open technologies and programming for the web."

Open technologies like Flash? Last I looked, Adobe makes the compilers and decides on the standards and there's nothing "open" about it*

*except of course the contents of your hard-drive, if you haven't updated ;)

Good article but lots of short punchy paragraphs

Mr Spock.

Take us to warp.

speed please.

And we.

shall see.

if we can save.

some alien.

beauties.

Add my vote to the lazy lobby

Adobe have had years to move flash forward into the new millennium. The only version that runs at a barely acceptable rate is the 32bit Windows version, The same as it was back in the 90's. and it still thrashes the processor. Ever left a web page open with a flash add in it? I love the sound of cooling fans in the morning. I used to use SETI to torture test a PC but flash is just as good.

If they haven't got it all together by now then they probably never will. Nothing to see here people just move on.

Poor debating skills.

"That ended in January 2010, when Wired reported that Jobs slammed Adobe's player for being buggy, and for its publisher's laziness — presumably for not being as inventive or creative as he."

Presumably.

It is actually possible to criticise someone and not be harping on about your own greatness you know. Speaking of laziness, this is lazy journalism. Then again, El Reg wouldn't be El Reg without white flecks at the corners of both Apple fans and "enraged open source loving geeks" as they click all over the website bringing in those lovely click numbers...

shame on you Reg.

Fantastic article

No hyperbole, no hypocracy, no bashing for the sake of bashing. That was a really good read, regardless of which side of the fence you're on

Future Not Open

Secret ACTA (Hollywood/Music industry) agreements and the NATO alliance will crush Open out of existence. The latest mantra is that nations that pimp FOSS are terrorists.

Soon FOSS nations will have their skies crowded with drones that will rain hellfire down on their wedding celebrations and primary schools, guided by "gamers" sitting in a comfortable chair at Vandenberg AFB or some such.

Mr. Jobs may be increasingly "cranky" as he has been acutely ill. In light of that, coupled with the fact that the world will continue to rotate despite Apple, we wish him peace and health whatever he enunciates.

Adobe

If Adobe wants to take the fight back to Apple they could do worse than make a complaint about the iPad TV ads in Australia which specifically say the iPad is "ALL the worlds websites in the palm of your hand"

I'd love to see Apple to get its just deserts for the blatant lies in their iPad adverts.

Could we maybe put a cap

a piece in Adobe and Apple and just be done with it? Both of them seem to be crapping all over our living rooms.

Apple?!

This type of thing always annoys me. Apple are making a rod for their own backs here...

Can anyone answer two questions for me?

WHAT is the iPad for? I have used one, it appears to be an oversized iPhone that only lets me load what Apple wants me to load on to it. The price bracket is laughable for such a restricted piece of kit, where I can go and buy a laptop instead £400-750 pounds for a "tablet-pc" I can't customise or load software onto other than what the manufacturer ALLOWS on to their system.

What the hell are apple playing at (I;m so annoyed they don't deserve a captial A!!)? £600 for the new iPhone??!!! Is it made from using parts constructed from grinding up endangered animals?! Does Steve Jobs personally deliver EACH AND EVERY ONE.

apple are quickly becoming a joke in my eyes. Why is no one hitting the European Courts with Anti-Trust suits, or whatever it is Europeans keep taking Microsoft to court for...!!??

I'm sorry Gavin, but you're a moron

1. Apple wasn't blocking Flash from the iPhone for 3 years. Adobe's incompetence was.

2. You seem to have misunderstood the point of the HTML 5 showcase. You're acting like the point was to promote Safari or something. Wrong. That's entirely beside the point. The point was to demonstrate what can be done without Flash, and get across that you don't need Flash to do video, or interactive graphics, etc.

Why did they block other browsers? I don't know, maybe because they couldn't guarantee that other browsers would render the content correctly. They're anal like that.

But it was FUCKING BRILLIANT because now people like you are wetting their pants and making the case, for Apple, that hey, other browsers can render the content just fine, thus demonstrating that the showcase wasn't a bunch of proprietary Apple technology, but can be displayed by any compliant browser, and didn't require some closed-source proprietary plug-in like Flash.

So you're helping make Jobs' argument in favor of HTML5/CSS/JavaScript and against Flash for him. Ha!

Nice own-goal there. The only person flashturbating is you.

Of course

Apple's quite obvious real reason for not wanting flas on their devices is nothing to do with it being slow or bug ridden. It is all an issue of control, and greed. Consider the following facts:

1) Apple controls the content of the App Store, thus they control what can and cannot be run on their devices.

2) Flash is an 'enabling' technology where third parties can use it to develop applications.

3) Flash applications would not need to be distributed through Apple's store.

4) Third party developers could sell/give away Flash apps independently of the App store, thus preventing Apple from creaming off their cut of the profits.

Am I the only one to see this, or is it so obvious that nobody else needs to say it?

cool my ass!

Jobs has NEVER been cool, he has always been a total ASSHOLE, low life, waste of skin.

No I don't hate him, he's not worth the energy.