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The British National Party has lost its membership list - the whole thing has been published online. The list includes names, addresses, phone numbers and email addresses of all members up to September 2008. It also includes some people's ages, especially those under 18 - the BNP offers family membership for £40. Many entries …

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  1. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Mantras for Left, Right, Left, Right, Le...

    "All that is required for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing" - Edmund Burke

    "It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it" - Aristotle

    "We should be eternally vigilant against attempts to check the expression of opinions that we loathe" - Oliver Wendell Holmes Jr.

    "My definition of a free society is a society where it is safe to be unpopular" - Adlai Stevenson

    "Keep your friends close, and your enemies closer" - Sun-tzu

  2. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    lol

    mind, they came out against id cards. must have something to hide...

  3. Anonymous Coward
    Joke

    @ What is wrong with the BNP

    i notice no one else has welcomed

    that lovely mr griffin to our forum yet

    nice first post so do come in

  4. j
    Boffin

    I think it's wrong that it was leaked but...

    I think the anonomised addresses would be interesting to mash with other geographical data. Average house price of area, urban density, ethnic make-up of populations...

  5. jack horner
    Happy

    @David Barr

    David...David...David.

    Good in you I see, my young apprentice. Turn from the Dark side you must, before too late it is. You, what you seek, will not find there.

    Ho Hum - ok, we can all be bit right-wing at times (especially when whores and cocaine are involved - apparently.) - but seriously - it's something, from which, with proper care and attention, you can make a complete recovery.

    Good Luck!

  6. jack horner
    Unhappy

    Spoilsports!

    Awww! - Are we not allowed to post a link to the list then?

    Thanks

  7. Anonymous Coward
    Pirate

    Facists

    There's only one group of people who are worse than fascists in my mind, people who spell it facists, what the hell does that mean, people who hate faces?

    One of my favourite pubs has a thing in it's menu that says "our beer kills facists" I was devestated when I saw that.

    I can't wait for a proper web 2.0 mash-up, google maps and the BNP membership list, it's what we've all been waiting for! Certainly better than sticking spottings of the googlemobile up... :)

  8. j

    re: It shouldn't have been leaked but...

    Had a quick look at an old postcode and it turned out there were a couple in the village next to ours - both of them known...hubby was a BNP candidate in the 2004 elections there. I found a wonderful article about him

    *quote*

    "In newspaper interviews, Mr Goodchild, claimed that there were other BNP members in the district, but he declined to say how many."

    and from the last paragraph:

    "Meanwhile the one Asian family in Yoxford was sanguine about the appearance of a far-Right candidate in the local election.

    "I don't have a problem with him," said Mr Kanesan. "He seems all right, we just don't talk about politics.""

    Class. It is a nice friendly village Yoxford.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1453472/BNP%27s-country-outing-angers-electorate.html

  9. Anonymous Coward
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    Heh

    The best part of this is... you just *know* that Nick Griffin and the BNP are going to be:

    a) requesting police help from the forces they've criticised time and time and again

    and

    b) using European human rights law to shout about how unfairly they've been treated

    Priceless.

  10. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    THIS IS A TITLE... OK

    @ Joe Posted Tuesday 18th November 2008 16:52 GMT

    I'm ashamed to say I know at least five members of the police force that are members of the free masons, I've also learn't that several other "Members" have been allowed to drive on

    when they've have more than a few pints of beer, or a couple of bottles of wine.

    I was asked to join a number of years ago, but I decided that it was against my principles.

    If you decline membership, then you are told your business will suffer..

    Maybe I made a mistake, but I don't think so.

    Maybe I could have been a millionaire by now, but I don't think so.

    The Free Masons only look after their "Members" anyone else is secondary to the cause.

    Maybe I know a few too many followers.

    When my Dad died, we had MANY offers of help, from "MEMBERS"

    I guess my Dad was a "MEMBER".

    F**K the lot of them

  11. Matt

    If...

    someone had this list as (hypothetically) an excel spreadsheet, how easy would it be to create an overlay for Google maps based on the postcodes?

  12. david wilson

    @Pure hypocricy

    >>"Incidently, no one here has called for an outing of illegal organisations - funny that."

    Assuming an illegal organisation had a membership list, if it was illegal to be a member, why would anyone bother 'outing' them, rather than just handing the list over to the police?

  13. Jamie Kitson

    To Find

    It's on wikileaks and the pirate bay.

  14. david wilson

    @Rasczak

    >>"Think about how you would feel if you were one of those who applied, the jobs were given to the 50 best from each group just to keep quotas right, you were the 51st best person in your group and you were better suited to the job than the best person from the other group."

    That's a fairly extreme situation, where out of 200 applicants, not one of the women were in the top 50.

    Practically speaking, when there's bulk recruitment going on, it's generally not for jobs requiring much prior experience, and it's not easy to get any kind of accurate ranking of likely performance, since the chances are that everyone employed will be learning the job for some time, and it's hard to predict how different people will learn.

    For that situation, one of the best methods seems to be to set some basic threshold of aptitude, and if more people pass than you have jobs for, recruit from various groups of applicants in proportion to how many people pass that threshold. That way, the odds of anyone who passed the threshold getting a job would be the same whatever group they were in, and whoever is doing the selection within a group doesn't have to worry about accusations of bias.

  15. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Other perspective

    It's nice to see such a wonderful range of balanced comments. It would also be nice to see such liberal thinking and a call for equality in the real world. However in reality the scales of justice appear to be not so well balanced. The founder of the BNP was once jailed for inciting racial hatred yet in these more enlightened times there are clerics preaching even worse yet they seem to be immune from prosecution. Many are in the UK illegally yet they cannot be deported because in the UK they have human rights that they themselves would not grant not only to people outside their own beliefs but also to women within them.

    If you are going to knock the BNP then have the common decency and guts to knock the extremists on the other side. I can't recall any member of the BNP blowing up trains full of innocent people because they were different from them nor advocating that a 14 year old girl who has been gang raped should be stoned to death for adultery. Makes calling someone a derogatory name look like a walk in the park.

  16. Anonymous Coward
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    @Matt

    I think someone I know is already on the case...

  17. Anonymous Coward
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    Best quote for...

    "The spokesman said Mr Griffin alleges that publication of his members' details violates both the Data Protection Act and the Human Rights Act, legislation his party has said should be repealed." - The Telegraph(.co.uk)

    Hahahahaha.

  18. Anonymous Coward
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    Abusive cowards - you must feel very proud of yourselves.

    Not cool - I wasn't aware of any of this until I came home from an early shift to find an answering machine message from a very scared friend of the family. She is 74 and looking after her grandchildren, both under 10, and has had two threatening phone calls.

    Now, I am not a member, I do not agree with all their views, but the BNP are a legitimate legal party.

    All the people talking about "getting revenge" or (one one forum) "dusting off the knuckle dusters" should be ashamed. We fought a war to try and rid the world of fascists like you - and you have the cheek to pose as left wing. You're a rent-a-mob rabble whose toughness extends right up until phoning octogenarians and threatening them. I expect you must feel very proud.

    Incidentally, the list was posted to generate money from google adwords.

    This violates adwords policy - click the link on the ad and post the following violation:

    The adverts are appearing on a website which has posted a stolen list of the names and childrens' addresses of supporters of a political party. This therefore violates at least 2 of your rules:

    * Violent content, racial intolerance, or advocacy against any individual, group, or organization

    * Any other content that is illegal, promotes illegal activity, or infringes on the legal rights of others

    [Link to two website email addresses excised by moderator.]

  19. Adam

    Poor Chris W needs to browse more pathetic blogs to learn to argue his little ideas a bit better!

    Chris W,

    So all the problems in the world, like the one in war torn, poverty stricken Somalia that you mentioned is directly related to people in England?.

    Can you think before you post please, this is a very stupid argument...If you want to defend the BNP however unsavoury , try and do it properly eh?

    and please tell me you see the irony in good old Griffin on tv this morning complaining that those poor old members had their "human rights" breached! Oh that made me chuckle....

    also Lardboy since its BNP members that do their very best to make life unpleasant for so many people...it nice that the boots on the other foot for once, it's just hilarious frankly how these people have the cheek to whinge so much...

  20. Rasczak

    @david wilson

    I agree I am taking this to the Nth degree to a situation that is so unlikely it is not going to actually happen. That said the principles remain, recruitment should be down to ability. Race, colour, creed, should not enter into it. If you choose someone specifically due to race, whether that is choosing white over black, or choosing black over white, then that is wrong

    There are a lot of job application forms these days that ask for what you believe your ethnic origin to be. This is usually claimed to be to ensure that diversity is recognised. My take is if you don't know the ethnic origin you cannot be biased by it so why the need to ask other than so as to appear politically correct

  21. Anonymous Coward
    Pirate

    Bored people

    To read throug the lists, some people have no life. The BNP is anti Europe, anti Brissels as well, not just against the colour of people.

    The actions of many in this forum can be related to the brown shirts against the Juden population of many german towns before Kristalnacht - there are more fascists posting here then are on the BNP list.

    And they spelt my name wrong !!!!!!

  22. Anonymous Coward
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    @Adam

    I think you've lost the plot. I will try to respond to your incoherent ramblings but first you will have to be more specific and point out which statement I made makes you feel I defended the BNP. I merely asked for balance, something which you obviously do not have.

    I'm afraid I can't humour your wish with respect to TV as I don't watch television nor do I read the Daily Mail however I understand from various other comments that your verse would be a good example of the outpourings of a reader this highly regarded periodical.

    Oh, BTW, what I really wanted to say was, thanks for proving my point.

  23. Alan Fisher

    Perspective

    Let's put this into perspective shall we and see what the BNP represent;

    http://bnp.org.uk/2008/04/bnp-local-and-london-election-manifesto-launch-draws-bbc-news/

    have a good gander and see what you think. They toned it down but parts of it are shocking. In essence, despite attempted PR stunts of "token" ethnic members in the Party, the general membership does not approve of these people and their positions are purely symbollic. So, what policies do they have. Again, educate yourself before spouting off in either direction. They have many objectionable policies indeed and, well have a look around yourself and then read their website and ask yourself....has the England they describe ever existed?? Will it ever??

    I don't think so as most British people are fine with people of any creed, belief or colour who poses no harm to them or their families. Now the BNP seek to 'profit' from the so called "Moslem Problem" and target ordinary and innocent Moslems in the UK and, of course, anyone who 'might' also be a Moslem, in other words someone of the darker persuasion or not 'my kind of people', as, allegedly, Moslems are required to lie about being Moslem to further their faith. Therefore anyone dark skinned of immediately a suspect, even Barack Obama!

    Now someone in a position of responsibility or a legal/policy making area is a member.....are you telling me their 'views' and politics will not interfere? Of course it will. So Police, soldiers, teachers, and so forth cannot be members of any political organisation, end of story. Conflict of interests I beleive, no? Bipartisan people in such important jobs is part of what makes Britain Great is it not? Not political appointees like in the US? So surely they are hyprocritical here? They want all the great Great British stuff yet is this not one of those things? They encourage their members to 'lie' about their affiliation yet complain if Moslems supposedly do the same? hmmm

    End of the day, while no-one should be forced to declare their political leanings publically (any more than they should be obliged to declare religion, sexuality and so on) they do not need to lie about it either. If they lie, then they are ashamed, if they are ashamed then they have a reason to be.

    This will not be the death of the BNP, but perhaps it will bring out of the woodwork some liars and doubletalkers in positions of trust and authority (imagine a Marxist or Anarchist in authority, they'd be screaming for his/her resignation!) and add to some degree of transparency. I propose a law that all public figures must declare membership of ANY organisation which could make them less than impartial; the Masons, Rosicruicans, etc etc

    Now there are idiots and thugs on both the Left and the Right of all kinds and they will make use of this information to carry out acts which i do not approve of or condone (it achieves nothing and entrenches the enemy, better to use words, not threats in open public fora to discuss these matters) but what about the thugs at Redwatch, isn't this what they have been doing and encouraging for years? While I do not agree with the scare tactics and pure nastiness of some people I must admit "that which thou sowest, shalt thou reap" applies very well here think you not?

  24. steve
    Happy

    Hypocrites

    How many of you that constantly slag off the BNP are hiding behind the veil of political correctness? The majority of you say to yourselves they are sick of "jonny foreigner" coming in to our country and taking our jobs. Never do you say it in public because you are cowards, yes i want my country back i'm no racist im a nationalist, i like my nation and will stand up for my nation. There are those amongst you who do not know the difference between the two but are only too quick to make an uneducated judgement. Yes i am on the list. I'm neither the vicar or the policeman,just an ordinary Joe who is proud of his nation.

  25. Anonymous Coward
    Pirate

    They are racist scum

    I can't understand the sympathy for the BNP, they are violent racist scum.

    I do think its interesting that on the blog there is a lot of people unhappy about having their association outed... Why, because the BNP is a violent racist organisation, with aggressively racist members.

    If they were proud of their membership, and of their party views surely they would be happy to have conversations with their peers.

    I know people of most other political stand points, conservative, liberal, middle of the road(ish) and they are all quite happy to state their opinion and have constructive debate with each other.

    I bet members of the BNP don't sit with their non BNP mates in the pub and then go "fancy coming on the campaign trail with me, I know a great source of dogshit we can push through some <insert racial slur here> houses"

    ... go figure ...

    Free speech - all in favour

    borderline terrorists..... lets not go there.

  26. Patrick Harrington

    Solidarity Union warns bosses

    Our Union, Solidarity (www.solidaritytradeunion.net) , will take immediate action if any member of our Brotherhood is discriminated against on poltical grounds. The right to belong to a political party which is legally recognised is fundamental in a democracy. The right not to be discriminated against on grounds of political opinion is a Human Right and employment law also recognises that "religious or other belief" should not be used as a basis for discrimination. Rights to freedom of expression and association are enshrined in our law and Treaty obligations.

    Additionally anyone joining our Union now will be extended immediate protection without any qualifying period. We welcome members of the BNP alongside people from other parties and none.

    Our Union will also trace any publisher using material which results in the victimisation or harassment of any Union member and take appropriate civil and criminal action

  27. david wilson

    @Rasczak

    >>"There are a lot of job application forms these days that ask for what you believe your ethnic origin to be. This is usually claimed to be to ensure that diversity is recognised. My take is if you don't know the ethnic origin you cannot be biased by it so why the need to ask other than so as to appear politically correct"

    I'd have thought the main reason offered for the information being on a form would be so that statistics could be produced on the successes or otherwise of people in various groups.

    It always looks better if someone can give figures if asked about the success rates of various groups, rather than just saying "No idea".

    Whether someone puts an ethnic origin on a form or not, chances are that it'll be fairly obvious at interview, at least when it comes to the people most likely to be discriminated against.

    Not having the box on the form isn't that likely to help anyone get a job.

    Also, if anyone is doing pre-interview screening and wanted to prune out at least some non-Caucasians, they could make a fair stab just by looking at people's names. It's probably not unknown for that to happen to some extent without people even thinking about it.

  28. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Racism is understandable

    the BNP draw a fair bit of their support from those who are genuinely under threat from non-indigenous labour. They are simply being out-competed, and are angry about it, as i daresay you or I would be. For example, Johnny Indian might well be able to accept a job with lower pay because he saves on housing and food costs by sharing a dwelling with some extended family, or by having more long-term parental support. Unfortunately he is also more employable because he is probably brighter, a lot more keen on self-improvement, and has a better attitude.

  29. Anonymous Coward
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    BNP

    Bugger

    No

    Privacy!

  30. g00p
    Go

    @ What is wrong with the BNP?

    ROFL

    Silly you! we all know who you are now - you can post your name if you like! :D

    Awww bless. They're scared look..

  31. Nick Porter

    BNP stereotypes

    One member (and his family) in my village, and whadya know, he was involved in a stabbing 3 years ago - should I be surprised?

    Nick

  32. DutchOven
    Alert

    ...and yet...

    Organisations like Redwatch exist (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redwatch) which gleefully publish the personal information of anyone opposed to right-wing extremism. That includes, "lefties", "homos" and anyone who likes Johnny Foreigner. According to wiki, it was set up by an ex-BNP man. The apple doesn't fall far from the tree as they say.

    This whole thing smacks of the pot calling the kettle... wait a minute!

  33. Patrick Harrington

    Threats to Employment and Human Rights

    There have been a number of threats made to the employment of those on the list. Leaving aside Employment Law this seems to me to amount to interference with the exercise of their right to freedom of association under Article 11 of the European Convention on Human Rights. Further it would be difficult to argue that in accordance with the requirements of paragraph 2 of Article 11, the interference had been prescribed by law and had pursued a legitimate aim. Any member of our Union who is also in the BNP will be vigorously protected should they come under pressure from bullying employers in the same way we would a member of any other Party.

    Currently only the Police and Prison Service ban members of the BNP. Such bans have yet to be properly tested by the Courts. Our Union takes the view that there are people of all political persuasions in those services yet only one viewpoint is deemed unacceptable. This is discriminatory. Only if there is actual evidence of wrongdoing should someone be subject to disciplinary procedures. Clearly there was nothing wrong with the behaviour of those listed as working as Prison Officers, policemen etc as there membership came as a shock.

    As a Trade Union we will uphold our member's employment rights and work to ensure that no-one in this country loses their livelihood due to this new McCarthyism.

  34. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    A lover of our Country

    Have you all heard yourselves?? Its like a childrens forum! Apart from the BNP being a totally LEGITIMATE political party, no matter what it stands for. Every other political party has likes and dislikes just like the BNP. The question here is some malicious moron has endangered the lives of 12000 people who happen to support a legitimate party! Would Labour or the Conservatives like a list to be published of their members, i think they would quake in their boots too! The BNP is more passionate about their country and say it as it is not like the others who, blind you with pompous, out of touch with the modern man, speak.

    Im just a normal working person who is absolutely mortified at the gross maliciousness of whoever leaked and endangered these people. I for one would like to see this person brought to justice and punished severely, if anyone is hurt, maimed or dies because of this persons actions then he/she should be tried for murder and i hope that person is quaking in his boots as i speak too!!

    The Data Protection Act is there specifically for reasons like this and no matter how much someone hates someone else, it does not warrant endangering the lives of 1 person let alone 12000 people.

    The damage has been done now and i hope this person lives to regret it. What saddens me the most is that normal everyday people are so bitter and twisted to their fellow man, you see hatred in everyone you walk past. And thats not through the BNP, they have never been in power.

    Since the turn of the Millenium Great Britian has gone mad and will never be the same again. Where are the parties that are bringing Great Britain back, nowhere because non of them can!!!

    What a sorry world we live in for one human being to want to hurt/maim or kill another human being.

    Its so very very sad and all us normal people, all we can do is sit and watch it happen.

    That is my opinion, thanks for listening.

  35. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Strange SKill

    I wonder what a patriotic entertainer does.

  36. Alan Clark

    Leak

    I am a member of the BNP, I am an ani racist mederate. I see the BNP as fast becoming an influental force, I saw this long ago. Some of their policies I agree with but abhour the racist side to the party, so bearing in mind I think this way I decided to join the party to get a vote and influance, change from within. I realise most of you out there will think 'I have heard geese fart in the long grass before', but I am no liar and am 57 yr old brought two kids up on me own I have seen a thing or two. I have Asian friends, I have told them what I am dong and they accept it. I now await the repacussions of my decision after the leaked list. I have decided therefor to keep me head down let me membership lapse and let you buggers fight amongst yourselves.

    I have had the nasty phone calls, emails etc and await worse.

    I realise most of you will not believe a word of what I say but well that is your prolem then.

    I shal not post again and not read any comments probably, I am finished.

  37. Alan Fisher

    Lover of his/her country

    But too ashamed to put their name to it eh?

    this is where credulity falls down for you 'patriots' and why this has had such a impact and generated so much interest.

    Viz; you are proud of your country and your heritage etc ect BUT you don't attach your name to this....why not? How proud are you really? How assured that you are not a racist? How patriotic can someone who hides behind anonymity be? I voice my opinions out on the net clearly and honestly and use my real name all the time.....but all the objectors decide to AC...why?

  38. David Kerr

    Repercussions for deeds not allegiances

    It seems to me that it would be a grave injustice to dismiss anyone for their political allegiance. In effect this says that a member of a political party will be not be sacked for anything he or she has actually done wrong but what they might possibly do by virtue of their party membership.

    Members of the BNP have rights just like the rest of us. It will not do to say that everybody has rights except ..... (insert unpopular political movement or religious sect of your choice) members. Their possession of these rights does not rest on their willingness to extend the same rights to us. You either have them or you don't. There's no middle way.

    This is where the mainstream trade union movement goes wrong as they refuse to stand up for the rights of some workers and line up with the bosses to get them sacked. Thank God for the free Solidarity trade union.

  39. Jacqui

    A Lover of my Country - Jackie Jones

    In reply to your comment Mr Fisher, i am not ashamed of anything and never will be, i have no reason whatsoever to feel like that, i love my life. Surely everyone should be patriotic of where they were born, i am. I trust that you are not patriotic? And if not, why not? All the political parties should be patriotic, but it is very hard to tell who really is.

    The basis of me commenting in the first place was the actions of some bitter and twisted person putting the lives of all these people in danger. I really don't have a problem who supports which political party and why etc... each to their own and free speech and all that, after all this is a FREE COUNTRY, you should know that!

    My opinion is the on the one who started this in the first place. I can't understand how someone can be so vindictive to someone else, i hope, in the long run, they find it was worth it.

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