back to article EU tells UK: Cut the BS, sign here, and you can have access to Galileo sat's secure service

Hidden away in the document laying out the starting position for EU and UK negotiations lies an interesting nugget for those following the tortured tales of the European satellite navigation system, Galileo. With Brexit "done" (we have a tea towel on order saying it so it must be true), the starting position for the future …

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    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Behold, the Brexit Satellite

      Are you aware that British companies built the Galileo IOV satellites and significant chunks of those that have come since?

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Behold, the Brexit Satellite

        Are you aware that the joke icon means you shouldn't take comments too seriously?

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: Behold, the Brexit Satellite

          >Are you aware that the joke icon means you shouldn't take comments too seriously?

          Are you aware that serious points are often disguised as jokes ?

  1. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Little Englander Satellite System

    Can't call it "BS"? Don't worry, name it after the types who pushed for Brexit and this sort of unnecessary crap instead.

    The entire UK- and particularly those of us in Scotland- will surely appreciately having LESS as a result of their "efforts"...

    1. Twanky

      Re: Little Englander Satellite System

      Crivens!

      1. John Brown (no body) Silver badge

        Re: Little Englander Satellite System

        Help ma boab!

  2. Alister

    foot, shot.

    Not mentioned in the article, but it is my clear recollection that it was the UK representatives to the GNSS Steering Committee who insisted that the clause disbarring countries from outside the EU from using Galileo was included in the Treaty, and would be stringently enforced.

    1. Wellyboot Silver badge

      Re: foot, shot.

      Now that the UK has actually left, all the UK gov. & EU political minds are now turning to trade negotiations where both sides can easily spin any deal as a win.

      Allowing the UK to stay in the Galileo project (& continuing to pay a big wedge) is but a small change to an existing set of rules that will be called a pragmatic move by all concerned when it eventually happens.

      1. Lunatik

        Re: foot, shot.

        "Both sides"?

        You'd be surprised how little the rest of Europe cares about this stuff now, if it ever really did. There is almost no capital in trumpeting anything as a 'win' here in the same manner as the war-metaphor-obsessed UK Gov feels the need to.

    2. Jamie Jones Silver badge

      Re: foot, shot.

      PROJECT FEAR!!

      The unelected GNSS/EU was a dictatorship that forced us to do everything its evil socialist fascist globalist nationalist leaders wanted. At no point did we have any say, which is why we've taken our sovereignty back!

      What do you mean we are less sovereign under Boris's plans than we were when we were in the EU?

      PROJECT FEAR!!

      Besides, you can't change my mind. I don't even know what soverignty means. But we got it back, so that's good. It's the will of the people after all. We got brexit done.

      </sarc>

      1. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

        Re: foot, shot.

        The Eu should keep its satellites but thy wont be allowed to orbit over British waters, they will be forced to stop and turn back at the 200mi limit.

        British satellites, equipped with the new Armstrong-Whitworth 6lb canon will be free to orbit the high spaces where they please.

        There only remains the task for proper British boffins to solve the problem of making the Union Jack flutter properly in space

        1. Alister

          Re: foot, shot.

          The Eu should keep its satellites but thy wont be allowed to orbit over British waters, they will be forced to stop and turn back at the 200mi limit.

          Ironically, Brussels is less than 200 miles from the Dover coast...

          1. Len
            Devil

            Re: foot, shot.

            Or, all of the English South East coastline lies in Belgium's 200 mile zone.

        2. vtcodger Silver badge

          Re: foot, shot.

          Miles? Pounds? You folks planning on going back to Imperial units of measure?

          1. TRT Silver badge

            Re: foot, shot.

            "You folks planning on going back to Imperial units of measure?"

            Blasted rebels.

            Aren't you a little short for a StormTrooper? Under 187.96cm.

            Something, something, something... Dark Side... something.

          2. Stork Silver badge

            Re: foot, shot.

            Don't be silly - it is obviously nautical miles (~1852m). The ones typically used when measuring over or through fluids.

            1. quxinot
              Pint

              Re: foot, shot.

              >Don't be silly - it is obviously nautical miles (~1852m). The ones typically used when measuring over or through fluids.<

              Does that include how far you have to walk when you're clearly viewing through a haze of fluids? --->

          3. CrazyOldCatMan Silver badge

            Re: foot, shot.

            You folks planning on going back to Imperial units of measure?

            Most of the old (and some young) fogeys never stopped using them..

            (I'm mid-50's and still subconsiously thing in terms of miles. But for everything else, I tend to think in metric..)

            1. MJI Silver badge

              Re: foot, shot.

              Imperial and Metric

              I use both

              Miles for distance, HP for car power, but NM for torque, fuel in litres but quick conv to gallons for consumption.

              DIY all mm and m, none of this cm or inch nonsense.

              Use kg most for weight except people weight when stones, converting stones to pounds is easy

              10 stone x 6.35 = 63.5kg, 63.5 x 2.2 = 140 pound, I do not know how many pounds in a stone, some even teen number I think.

              1. MJI Silver badge

                Re: foot, shot.

                Made an error. Nm correct not NM.

                Shift was slow being released.

        3. Dr_N

          Re: foot, shot.

          Yet Another Anonymous coward> There only remains the task for proper British boffins to solve the problem of making the Union Jack flutter properly in space

          I would suggest the more pressing task fir proper British boffins would be for them to come up with a way to stop people flying the Union Flag upside down. This has reached epidemic proportions these last few years.

          1. John H Woods Silver badge

            " stop people flying the Union Flag upside down."

            Could I suggest sticking a Welsh Dragon on it? Even a numpty can tell whether that's upside-down or not!

            1. Dr_N
              Go

              Re: " stop people flying the Union Flag upside down."

              Boom. Solved by El Reg comments section.

              1. Martin an gof Silver badge
                Happy

                Re: " stop people flying the Union Flag upside down."

                This is one of those things that crops up time after time after time after time.

                M.

            2. CrazyOldCatMan Silver badge

              Re: " stop people flying the Union Flag upside down."

              Even a numpty can tell whether that's upside-down or not!

              Unless it's pulling a loop-the-loop..

        4. Phil O'Sophical Silver badge
          Headmaster

          Re: foot, shot.

          Union Jack flutter properly in space

          Technically it's only a Union Jack if flown from the jackstaff (of a British spaceship, one assumes). Otherwise it's just the Union flag. As for fluttering in space, didn't NASA solve that one for Apollo 11, with springs?

          1. Fred Dibnah
            Trollface

            Re: foot, shot.

            Of course not, they didn't go to the moon as any fule kno.

  3. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    "Brexit Satellite (BS) system"

    I see what you did there.....

    1. Noonoot

      Yes, the Bull Shit system, because that's what Brexit is - a load of it.

      Like with all the other things that still need negotiating, these mumbling elites had better get their skates on. They have until the end of the year. CHOP CHOP!!!!!!

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Not likely to hurt them too much when the shit hits the fan, so why would they care?

        The plebs of England gave them a five year carte blanche last month, so they've no need to listen to your exhortations. Know your place, peasant.

    2. NoKangaroosInAustria
      Coat

      Hmm... sounds like a load of ...

      The whole BS idea sounds like a load of BS to me.

      Sorry, I couldn't resist. I mean I came here just to say this.

      Mine is the one with the nose clips in the pocket.

      1. Excellentsword (Written by Reg staff)

        Re: Hmm... sounds like a load of ...

        thatsthejoke.aiff

    3. Len
      Gimp

      Postoffice Imperial Satellite System

      I am more of a fan of the Postoffice Imperial Satellite System.

      It would have one furlong two dimensional accuracy and three rod elevation accuracy. Eat that with your fancy centimetres! Two dimensional location would be shown on the front, elevation on the back, because that doesn't make sense.

      It would be exclusively produced by Dyson (but manufactured in Asia) in a joint venture with Jeremy Hunt's cousin (completely coincidental) but he will ask a decent price, honest. Oh, and the noise of the receiver would make any conversation impossible but at least it would look really good, like a Star Wars prop.

      Don't forget to stock up on the proprietary batteries, available exclusively from your local Post Office upon showing your birth certificate.

      1. TimMaher Silver badge
        Pint

        Re: Postoffice Imperial Satellite System

        Cmon @Len, have you spent too long in Wetherspoons?

        1. CrazyOldCatMan Silver badge

          Re: Postoffice Imperial Satellite System

          have you spent too long in Wetherspoons?

          As in about 30 seconds?

  4. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    "For lucky enough to have missed all the twists and turns in the previous season of Blighty's attempts to depart the European Union ..."

    That would be a dude who is living in a cave in the middle of the Amazon forest, then ... Not a paper in France without an article on it since 2016 !

    "ESA began shunting Brits from Galileo last year. A worker within the agency told The Register that pretty much all UK citizens were being shifted from EU-funded programmes such as Galileo and EGNOS (rather than just those working on classified elements) and another confirmed that Brits were indeed on the move."

    I'm sure those Brits won't vote Cameron any time soon. Fortunately, he did well to exit politics ...

  5. Wellyboot Silver badge
    Alien

    "Star Trek is better than Star Wars"

    Them's fightin words...

    But not a PoV that I'd argue against.

    1. MJI Silver badge

      Re: "Star Trek is better than Star Wars"

      Yes it is.

      Sorry I grew up with Star Trek and we had a first generation transistor colour TV in 73 or 74.

      Pretty sure my dad bought it for the opening of colour at our local TX

  6. amanfromMars 1 Silver badge

    There are always other options clearly available.

    Do those sorts of US style EU shenanigans raise the spectre of UKGBNI support/proprietary intellectual property transfer to a GLONASS and/or BeiDou Navigation Satellite System Executive?

    1. Wellyboot Silver badge
      Black Helicopters

      Re: There are always other options clearly available.

      Perhaps GCHQ has hacked them and 'we' now have free use of the accurate signal.

      We could always offer to help expand the Indian homebrew GPS

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: There are always other options clearly available.

      The current head of GLONASS development used to work in Galileo development at ESA, alongside the current head of ESA's Navigation division. He came to visit not so long ago.

  7. Velv
    Mushroom

    Money

    OK, I know the NHS really needs that extra £350million a week it's getting, but maybe we could skim £50million a week off that and build our own Global Positioning System.

    A system for the Empire. Best system in the World.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Money

      You could call it the Empire Positioning System. Its clocks will send out time data set in the XIX century...

      1. Aladdin Sane

        Re: Money

        JRM would be happy then.

      2. Korev Silver badge
        Pirate

        Re: Money

        You could call it the Empire Positioning System. Its clocks will send out time data set in the XIX century...

        Bring back the East India Company!

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: Money

          Of course, but this time the owners will be Indian and the HQ in Mumbay....

      3. HelpfulJohn

        Re: Money

        "Its clocks will send out time data set in the XIX century..."

        Did you really intend XIX or were you trying for XXI? [ XIX is 19 in real, true, S.I. numbers and XXI is 21 in that very sensible system.] [As, of course, everyone knows ;) ] (Parenthetically, I would suggest that for most politicians anything after XIVth Century is probably far too modern for them to cope with.)

        Either way, displaying the time in Roman Numerals would become strangely complex as one approaches the point of midnight.

        Or, actually, the first second of any minute and first minute of any hour. As a standard, Roman Numbers are slightly lacking.

  8. codejunky Silver badge

    Ha

    While the article seems to be the usual waaaa against the UK it would seem the reality still isnt bad.

    https://www.finhaven.club/article/brexit-negotiating-fta

    It would seem the UK has been working on the trade deal with the US ready to finalise before we leave in Dec and the EU may find London more interested in the US market.

    1. Jamie Jones Silver badge

      Re: Ha

      You're kidding, right?

      A US "deal" would be the final nail in our coffin.

      1. codejunky Silver badge

        Re: Ha

        @Jamie Jones

        "A US "deal" would be the final nail in our coffin."

        Why? Even worse as a thought why is a trade deal with the EU so damn good while one with the US bad? And what other nails in our coffin?

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