back to article If Shadow Home Sec Diane Abbott can be reeled in by phishers, truly no one is safe

While fraudsters traditionally prey on the gullible and feeble-minded, their wicked ways have ensnared British Labour MP Diane Abbott. The UK Shadow Home Secretary admitted to handing over control of her computer to a stranger after a random caller asked her to install Remote PC. It's a common scam. Once the miscreant has …

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Nurse, Sed is out of bed again

Pass the dried frog pills Bursar. ;)

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Nurse, nurse Sed Gawk is out of bed again!

Just pipe him to /dev/null, it'll be fine.

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@ Alan Brown

"Please tell me when the last popular vote for a Prime Minister took place."

Blairs last term which he handed over to Brown. Another of his 'promises' where he would stay until the next election, then of course dropped out and handed over to Brown. Why did he say it? Because people voted for the smiling snake oil salesman. He wasnt Teflon Tony for nothing. probably not helped by Brown being 'taught' to smile.

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Gullible and feeble minded?

Sounds about right.

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The Twitter replies are gold too! Take this one from Keith Gilpin:

"Dear @HackneyAbbott , it has come to our attention that you are completely thick. We are a company that helps thick people manage their affairs. Please DM us your bank details, credit card numbers. Any strange actions on your bank accounts is normal & part of the healing process"

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Fools gold perhaps.

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Re: Gullible and feeble minded?

She is ready to take over the home office then.

It will take her less than 30 minutes of briefing by the mandarins and she will be emitting laws and orders which would have made Beria and Mueller(*) green with envy if they were alive.

(*)The Gestapo one, not the currently trending one

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Re: Gullible and feeble minded?

Godwin!

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@Voland's right hand

It will take her less than 30 minutes of briefing by the mandarins and she will be emitting laws

and orders which would have made Beria and Mueller(*) green with envy if they were alive.

Even after over 20 years, "Yes Minister" never seems very topical...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b007jnk7

"A victim of phone tapping, Jim Hacker rebuts state surveillance - until his own life comes under threat.

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Surely it's not important to have a home secretary who can spot phishing emails, it is important to have one who understands it can be bloody hard to spot phishing emails.

Saying that I think she'd be a bloody disasters as a minister of any variety.

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Surely it's not important to have a home secretary who can spot phishing emails, it is important to have one who understands it can be bloody hard to spot phishing emails.

It may or may not be "bloody hard", but to balance that an email is an email and the recipient can take the time to study it and look for the clues before deciding whether to respond to it or simply delete it.

I would argue that it is the scam phone calls that are the greater risk; the recipient has to think and respond in real time, which is a rather greater challenge. My own solution is to assume that if I don't know the caller then there is a very real chance of it being a scam, and I have a few ways of dealing with them to prove their legitimacy or (more likely) lack of it.

And just in case the scammers are reading this I am not going to reveal what they are, but I doubt if the differ all that much from other El Reg readers' methods.

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The one I used when called by the scammers was "if you know there's a virus on my PC then you can tell me the name of it". There actually used to be a virus on my PC, in an encrypted zip file. Sophos were kind enough to name it after me after I sent it to them along with the instructions on how to remove it from an infected PC.

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Say what you want about thicko's

At least she's careful with the budget. Paying coppers 3 grand a year really brings the objective of millions of state minions policing Twitter for wrongthink that much closer!

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She had to reduce the copper's pay to fund that Nigerian Prince who got in touch the other week :)

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Yayyyyy! phantom thumbs-down-for-no-reason guy, you found me! I thought I'd gotten away with it this time ;)

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Ms Abbott would be responsible for cybersecurity, as well as crime and policing

I'm not sure "responsible" is the word you want here. She might be in charge of it, and my God won't that make Amber Rudd look competent.

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Is Amber Rudd an Orange phishing scam? Already got my coat on ...

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Amber "Stop techies laughing at me, when I say stupid things" Rudd.

She's her own parody in real time, another over promoted chinless wonder, who's prime qualification for political office, being, "Rudd helped to find extras for the film Four Weddings and a Funeral (1994), for which she was credited as the "aristocracy co-ordinator", and appeared briefly in one of the church scenes in the film" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amber_Rudd

I'm sure, that this incompent one looks more appealing to you..

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I doubt she'll ever be Home Secretary, but...

...better to have learned the hard way than never learn at all. Of course we'll have to wait and see if she has learned from it.

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I'd be more concerned about any of the files that the attacker may have got control off and if they get released to the public.

I'm not too concerned about anything to do with National Security being released, it's the prospect of pictures of her and/or Jeremy Corbyn in various states of undress from when they were knocking boots..... 'Shudders'

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I doubt she'll ever be Home Secretary

Given the complete pig's ear the Conservatives are making of all aspects of governing the country, I wouldn't be so sure.

There's also a worrying proportion of the electorate with no recollection or knowledge of the debilitating damage that previous "proper socialist" Labour governments did to this country, and who will be thinking that Corbyn is a nice principled man, surely his ideas are worth a try.

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Just because she's the shadow doesn't automatically mean she'd become Home Sec after a Labour win. That's in the gift of the PM.

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That's in the gift of the PM.

True, but ms Abbott is now a Labour grandee, and part of their intellectual talent pool. If he wins, Corbyn will be accused of misogyny and racism is she doesn't get one of the top three Cabinet jobs, which are the Treasury, Home Office, Foreign Office. Even Corbyn's not going to let her be chancellor, and with her renowned brains and diplomacy he can't afford to let her loose abroad.

And looking at the rest of the Labour front bench, who else is there?

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Whyever not? Jacqui Smith was. Egregious, blithering incompetence is no bar.

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ms Abbott is now a Labour grandee, and part of their intellectual talent pool

Their what?

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"[...] knowledge of the debilitating damage that previous "proper socialist" Labour governments did to this country, [...]"

You mean things like the NHS, free Education, State pensions?

Can't think of a Labour government after Clement Atlee's (1945) that one would really call "socialist" - more left-of-centre. Some of Tony Blair's ministers could even be considered far right-of-centre.

Up until Margaret Thatcher the Labour and Tory parties were both concerned with a progressive approach to improving the lot of everyone. IIRC Harold MacMillan's government saw building new schools and social housing at an unprecedented rate.

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"Even Corbyn's not going to let her be chancellor, and with her renowned brains and diplomacy he can't afford to let her loose abroad."

Bojo as Foreign Secretary has dropped that threshold to level with the floor.

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debilitating damage that previous "proper socialist" Labour governments

That would be back in the 70's. The governments of Tory Blur and Gordon Broon don't count..

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Some of Tony Blair's ministers could even be considered far right-of-centre

Blair and almost all of his ministers were "wherever sort of centre-ish will get me re-lelected". We haven't had politicians with any kind of principled beliefs since the Thatcher/Benn era.

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Bojo as Foreign Secretary has dropped that threshold to level with the floor.

I wouldn't be so sure. You don't run a city like London for two terms without being tolerably competent.

Can you imagine the state it would be in after 8 years of Diane Abbot as mayor? Worse even than the current nonentity whatshisname.

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"[...] knowledge of the debilitating damage that previous "proper socialist" Labour governments did to this country, [...]" You mean things like the NHS, free Education, State pensions?

Actually I was thinking of things like the complete destruction of a world class industrial and commercial base through muddle headed nationalisation, that begot such champions as British Leyland, British Aircraft Corporation, British Railways, British Steel etc.

I was thinking of messing up the public finances in the 1970s to the point that the Bank of England had to suspend sterling from foreign exchange markets, and this country had to be bailed out by the IMF like any other third world socialist banana republic. ANd worth thinking that the clowns of the Labour Party had repeated financial crises all through the late 1950s, 60s and 70s that led to repeated devaluations of sterling.

I was thinking of criminal, traitorous stupidity like selling Rolls Royce jet engines to the Soviet Union.

I was thinking of Labour Party pacifism during the 1930s and their opposition to rearmament that encouraged He Who Must Not Be Named.

I was thinking of marginal tax rates so punitive that the UK suffered an appalling brain drain during the 1970s.

I was thinking of the Labour Party's rank incompetence at managing industrial relations, leading to repeated crippling strikes, culminating in the Winter of Discontent.

I was thinking of incompetently handling Northern Ireland during Wilson's first two governments and to all intents kicking off thirty years of domestic terrorism.

And for a party that's made such cheap political capital over the Windrush scandal, you might want to look up the Commonwealth Immigration Act of 1968.

Every time we get a Labour government (and this was true of the post-socialism Blair/Brown comedy act), they go and fuck up the economy and government finances. That is sadly a matter of historical fact. Its all very well having these grand spending plans on social welfare, they do have some merit. But the Left have never, and apparently will never, understand that as a longer term plan you can't spend money you haven't got, and seizing other people's money through taxation or expropriation is not a long term plan either.

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"he can't afford to let her loose abroad"

Because Boris Johnson and Dominic Raab have set the diplomacy bar too high?

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You're spot on, the last "socialist" .gov we had, gave us the NHS.

The last 39 years of Maggie's policies have been an abject failure by her own measure.

1) Property owning - down

2) Share owning - down

3) Privatizing rail - too extreme for thatcher.

4) Top rate of tax 60%

1930 - 1995 - people leaving this country in droves - 1997 tory-lite (labour) start to reverse the trend in homelessness, which falls drastically until 2010.

8 years of true blue, tory and the country is a basketcase, led by a clown, but sure "Corbyn" and moderate policies to help the worst off in society are going to damage us. We are already damaged and but keep on stepping over the homeless and ignoring the foodbanks.

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They have to out think the current government's front bench...

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Well said, at least someone has a grasp of political history not drawn from the pages of the beano.

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Not true sir.

Robin Cook - Principled MP.

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Is that you Boris?

Johnson got elected based on "he looks like he'll be a laugh".

And he was, largely at our expense.

The man is a stain on the skidmark that is our political system

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Tories are far more profligate with the public finances - https://fullfact.org/economy/labour-and-conservative-records-national-debt/

What happens is the Tories make providing services more expensive by introducing a "market", which has only approved suppliers, so that products and services now are more expensive for the same outcome.

This lets the tories funnel public money to their cronies why claiming record levels of investment in our public services.

As an example of tanking the public finances, and screwing sterling, Brexit should loom large.

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As we are floating currency issuer, our spending is not determined by tax revenue.

When we bailed out the banks to the tune of several trillion, no-body knocked on your door and asked for a contribution.

What we spend our money on is a purely political choice, gated only the limit of real resources (bricks, skilled people, land) not sterling which is in itself a bet on the UK .gov honouring its issued gilts / bonds.

A bet, the UK has not failed to honour in 300 years.

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Robin Cook - Principled MP.

True enough, but he was a shadow minister during the Thatcher era, and died almost 15 years ago, so I'd still consider him part of the Thatcher/Benn era.

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There was this little thing called the good friday agreement, which tory-lite (labour) brought about.

There the funding of headchoppers in saudi - both sides.

Buntly the tories are the parties of apartheid from S.A. to Israel.

Thatcher herself enthusistic suppoter of the https://www.britannica.com/topic/Bantustan policies and coup in Guinea https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_Equatorial_Guinea_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat_attempt

So all the current cabinet "lightwieghts" joined at the time when this was party policy, a pox on all their houses.

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He served under the Blair government but yes I'd agree he's of that political tradition.

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I wouldn't be so sure. You don't run a city like London for two terms without being tolerably competent.

It's a job in which loonies get to shine. Hence both Boris and his predecessor - who also got two terms. Actually more, given his time as leader of the old GLC.

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Re: Northern Ireland

Before you go blaming anyone for The Troubles you should do some research first. The Troubles would have happened either way regardless of who was in power. Northern Ireland was effectively running a form of Apartheid, with the government gerrymandering the electoral boundaries to ensure a Unionist majority, as well as electoral laws that ensured the majority of Catholics were ineligible to vote. This all came to a head in August 1969. If Wilson hadn't sent in the troops to protect the Catholics in 1969 you could very well have seen Ireland and the UK at war with each other instead. The Irish had troops ready to cross the border at the time but in the end it was British troops that went in. However, it became clear that in order to maintain peace between the 2 sides and prevent Northern Ireland sliding into all out civil war the troops had to stay, and it wasn't long until the troops were seen as an occupying force by the Catholics and became their target. You cannot blame Wilson for 400 years of history finally coming to a head. You can however blame Thatcher for repeatedly blocking any dialogue with Sinn Fein during the 80s which saw Catholics continue to be oppressed in Northern Ireland, which in turn fuelled the IRA's recruitment process.

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Re: principled MP - Tracy Crouch. She tried at least.

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Re: Northern Ireland

You're jumbling all sorts of things there.

electoral laws that ensured the majority of Catholics were ineligible to vote

Catholics had the same rights to vote in parliamentary elections as anglicans since the 1830s. There was, however, a "property qualification" for everyone (lifted in 1918 after WWI) so that only property owners could vote. Although there was no legal bar to catholics owning property, they had to find someone willing to sell it to them, which was almost impossible in NI. As a result there was effective disenfranchisement, but it was due to local persecution, not legal rights.

A similar situation applied to local elections until much later, where only ratepayers (owners or tenants) had a vote. Since local authorities controlled council housing allocations it was that latter issue that caused the main civil rights issues in the 50s and 60s.

it wasn't long until the troops were seen as an occupying force by the Catholics and became their target.

Not quite. The troops were sent in very reluctantly (the home secretary at the time made the prophetic comment "It's easy to send them in, it'll be the devil's own job to get them out again") and they were welcomed by the catholic community as neutral peacekeepers, which the RUC & Special reserves were not.

It was rather the IRA that were horrified to see ordinary catholics turning to the hated British army for protection. The IRA attacked the army, and since the resulting clampdown was much more severe in the catholic areas where the IRA hid out, that turned many ordinary people against the troops. That was carefully orchestrated by the IRA.

You can however blame Thatcher for repeatedly blocking any dialogue with Sinn Fein during the 80s

The blame lies much more with SF themselves. Danny Morrison's notorious Ard Fheis speech in 1981 "But will anyone here object if, with a ballot paper in this hand and an Armalite in the other, we take power in Ireland?" was hardly an encouragement to democratic dialogue.

It was only after Adams signed up to the Good Friday agreement, a process kicked off by John Major despite Tony Blair's attempts to take all the credit, that some democratic discussions could really start.

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So N.I. Sec. who knows sweet fa about N.I. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/sep/07/karen-bradley-admits-not-understanding-northern-irish-politics

Brexit Sec. Raab - sweet fa about the border issues at dover - https://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/live/2018/nov/08/brexit-cabinet-david-davis-urges-mps-to-vote-down-mays-brexit-deal-so-eu-makes-better-offer-politics-live?page=with:block-5be41aaee4b00d0bde3d8223

Racist mayor for the tories - not Johnson - Bailey https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/oct/03/tories-london-mayor-pick-shaun-bailey-multiculturalism-robs-britain-of-its-community

Oh and "She's a Journo, oops" Watermellon Letterbox Piccanny Johnson.

Yeah "Competence" is *really* your issue here.

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She voted through every punishing measure with the government.

She tried to block the enquriy into the IRAQ war.

She's not a principled mp by any stretch of the imagination.

https://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/24871/tracey_crouch/

Her voting record speaks for itself.

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She has spoken on Leveson, terrorism, education, poverty, welfare, illness, disability, refugees, child sexual abuse, pro-choice abortion. Her campaigns include legal aid, civil liberties, fighting crime, sickle cell thallasemia, public transport, improving education.

2008, her speech on civil liberties in the counterterrorism debate won Parliamentary Speech Of The Year in the Spectator awards.

That speech is here. Watch it, and then come back. https://t.co/qNMvtilMa1

Report when you've got something of note to say, we'll wait.

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How dare the (tory-lite) labour govenment of Gordon Brown be in power when the parcelling out of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Securitization debt blew up across the globe.

We came out of it rather well as we had an economist at the helm, hence we returned a profit on our stake in the banks.

Jesus wept, take a look at the country *now* and understand that these people are not on your side.

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