back to article UK networks have 'no plans' to bring roaming fees back after Brexit

Seaside selfies from Spain may be a thing of the past if the UK waves buh-bye to Brussels without a Brexit deal. Brits have delighted in the ability to "Roam Like at Home" thanks to a bunch of EU regulations forcing carriers to allow their customers to call, text and use data without incurring heart-stopping surcharges. Data …

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In the meantime my children and grandchildren are going to have to live with that economic cost in the longer term

Mine are going to live with the economic opportunity. So are yours. Stop being afraid and start taking hold of the opportunities available.

My family have already (financially) done very well out of remainer panic. We remortgaged at all time low base rates, and fixed it for the life of the loan, moved out of the £ and then back in once the panic had set in, thus addind substantially and tax efficiently to our assets. If you were too busy panicing or incapable of thinking things through to do the same then I can hardly be blamed for that.

The end of the next labour government is going to make my family rich beyond anything I could have comprehended growing up. Those voting labour not so much, but again, I can hardly see how that will be my fault.

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If you change your mind about a constitutional vote affecting your countries relationship with others and which carries inevitable economic consequences, tough.

'Twas the same when we voted to join a common market.

That's why its conventional for referenda to require a supermajority.

Conventioanl where, exactly? In the UK it's not conventional at all.

And, of course, you decide before the event whether the decision is to be binding or advisory.

All referendums are binding. Were they not, people would not vote in them. Remainers wrote the text, so its too late to moan about the spelling.

That doesn't affect the fact that this has been an economically disastrous decision made in an outrageously stupid manner.

I agree, but now we're ont he verge of reversing that and leaving the EU to go back to our historically advantageous position of trading with the rest of the world, instead of pretending it doesn't exist.

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The referendum was spelled out very clearly before you voted - one and done, no re-runs; the same as the Scots IndyRef. There's no do-overs.

Legally there are. Or the government can completely ignore it. It was an advisory referendum.

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Fuck off.

Bit hard of thinking are we? Never mind petal, the grown ups have voted to leave, and as usual we'll do the heavy lifting. You just sit in the corner doing your angsty teenager thing.

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Just like the Labour Party, who are rubbing their hands with glee at the prospect of the Tories failing to achieve a Brexit deal. May suggested that Labour join in the negotiations and committees to help with Brexit, but Labour refused. Whether or not you agree with Brexit, there is no going back. Labour could have helped, but they actively decided not to.

Or, to put it another way, Labour (instead of helping at a historic and difficult moment in the UK) are willing to throw the population of the UK "under the bus" to satisfy their desire to see the Tories fail.

Who are the sociopaths now?

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The problem was that the SNP document was a total work of fiction. They assumed England would simply pay Scotlands national debts, set up a favourable trade agreement, vote for them to be allowed back into Europe, and gift them all of the oil (which according to international convention is in English waters, not Scottish ones).

Then presumably, if the Vote Leave document were similar, it wouldn't have passed review.

(There still is no Vote Leave document. Not even the ERG can summon one up after all this time.)

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RE: Domquark

Labour have announced they would accept any deal and wouldn't walk away from talks, that they want more than Theresa May is asking, and have frustrated the entire process over the last few years. To spell it out for anyone who can't see through that - Labour would accept a deal worse than Theresa May, or would crash out with No deal, since the EU won't give them their negotiating goals.

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Re: UK networks have 'no plans' to bring roaming fees back after Brexit

" I never fucking apologise for anything I write."

Even if you find out you were wrong or have inadvertently upset someone you cared about?

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Hit the nail on that one.

It does appear that people who voted leave (trolls aside) don't and won't see any of the negatives that are coming out as fact, they insist it was a majority vote (with 72% turn out the vote was nearer 36%, 34% in favour.) they insist it will be better (despite Liam Fox, Rhys Mogg and even Boris saying its not going to be great) and seem to ignore all the issues around companies leaving, massive staff shortages in areas like farming and the NHS as something that a mystical british work force will appear to fix.

But a couple of good demographic charts show most of the voters to leave were old, most of the people to remain were young. So old people voted for something that will have be lived with and picked up by the next generation who didn't want it. What a selfish bunch the "leave" people are.

It is like a religious path to oblivion for them... Very much like Trump supporters.

... And remember, Africa is our salvation. 49 nations from the bottom end of the world economy will save us. With yet to appear trade deals to replace the global power houses.

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> Or the government can completely ignore it. It was an advisory referendum.

I'm not sure they can do that now parliament voted to accept that advice? Or at the very least it's now extremely non-trivial...

And I think this is 'advice' in the 'legal instruction to representative' sense, rather than e.g. 'avoid the squid ink soup'.

So while the Act didn't say it was binding (not sure it said advisory either?), they chose to make it binding. The same people who approved the referendum and the wording of the question and the timetable etc etc. Cameron is the prime culprit but he was by no means alone.

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WTF?

voting leave will be worth any economic cost.

Any?

Any?

Think about what you are saying. Are you really that stupid?

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Pint

the Car Club story

Brilliant!

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If the people wanted to change their mind, then they could have elected politicians in 2017 who promised to reverse the referendum. They didn't. They voted for politicians who promised not to reverse the referendum.

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Re: I'm not British

I live in Scotland.

You don't get it at all.

The UK, especially Scotland will thrive and prosper under the Union flag rather than having our identity crushed under the EU globalist jackboot.

People here want to leave under the WTO deal and who can blame them? The EU is holed below the waterline and she's going down fast.

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That advantageous trade position

@LucreLout

"to go back to our historically advantageous position of trading with the rest of the world"

No doubt the rest of the Empire will line up behind that position.

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Name calling

@LucreLout

"Yay, name calling. The rest of your post I've ignored on the basis that in doing so, you have stated you have no credible points to make.

Bye."

"Bit hard of thinking are we? Never mind petal, the grown ups have voted to leave, and as usual we'll do the heavy lifting. You just sit in the corner doing your angsty teenager thing."

You were saying?

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Re: Hit the nail on that one.

"... And remember, Africa is our salvation. 49 nations from the bottom end of the world economy will save us. With yet to appear trade deals to replace the global power houses"

The two "powerhouses" China and the USA are already lining up to give us a trade deal. Did you miss that bit?

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Re: RE: Andre

I’m awe of the ludicrousness of the analogy.

It’s a fascinating insight into what makes Brexiteers tick, though.

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going to the continent was a nightmare.

In what way was it a nightmare?

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"I never fucking apologise for anything I write. "

Hmm, interesting. Suggests you're most likely not English, probably not British. So, wherefrom hailst thou?

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"Gina Miller managed to string the whole thing out by around a year with pointless and meaningless legal challenges for no better reason than she didn't like the result."

Leavers should be worshipping her. Her intervention guaranteed brexit met the legal requirements of the EU and A50, she ensured it could not be aborted by last minute challenges. For the EU27 she ensured you will be leaving, whether you change your minds or not. What UK voters choose no longer matters.

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I too voted to leave. I had my reasons but immigration wasn't one of them.

Not ashamed and don't need to justify myself in the same way I don't need to justify voting labour, conservative or liberal dem.

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Im a leaver. Doubly so having seen the shenanigans from Brussels since the vote.

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The vote was approximately 13 to 12 for leave. ie 8% more voted to leave than to remain. 8% more is nor marginal especially when we are talking 17.4 million leave voters.

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Re: Hit the nail on that one.

around 8% more leave voters than remain voters. do the math as the yanks say.

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Re: going to the continent was a nightmare.

"In what way was it a nightmare?"

I take it your job doesn't involve carrying goods or equipment between the UK and the continent.

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Would you have voted leave if Jacob Rees Mogg had said he was transferring his investment business to Ireland?

Fuck I love Chinese whispers. Have you heard the one about Juncker and his crack cocaine problem?

It's not JRM's business and he's not transferring it to Ireland. Would you like to try again with the lies on ice?

In other news the guy with the whole if it was simple it would have happened by now - if we didn't have a remoaner government screwing everything up backed up by a remoaner civil service and even to the extent they're trying to get things done a remoaner house of lords with a SERIOUS democratic deficit bought and paid for by the EU, aka us - literally being taxed to do us self-harm by the way - it's simple, yes.

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The Americans did pretty well out of independence - and that involved a damaging war and trade embargos.

The Americans did pretty well out of 2 centuries of mass immigration, I don't think that was what the EU leavers had in mind.

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Re: Hit the nail on that one.

But a couple of good demographic charts show most of the voters to leave were old, most of the people to remain were young.

Of course, it's only those of us over 50 who remember what it was like before the EU and can see how much damage it's doing to Europe. The youngsters don't know their history, and believe the propaganda that they only have freedom thanks to Brussels, when in fact the reverse is true. They'll learn over time as the EU dies and the rest of the world gets on with business.

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Re: Hit the nail on that one.

It's fundamentally false to suggest remain = young, leave = old, for one thing. Secondly particularly old people don't vote. It's a fundamental misreading of the data to suggest these arguments are blanket true. Here's a stat that will blow your mind too - inner-city muslims voted to leave in droves too. Sure there's a leaning one way in all these demographics but they're not as clear cut as people trying to paint a narrative would like you to believe.

They lost the argument and the vote and went straight for ad hominem before trying to understand the issues. Remainers at somewhere between stage 3 and 4; 5 will come. 40 years we'll be able to have an adult discussion about EU membership - we certainly can't have one now - but for now we're leaving in UK and EU law next march.

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Roaming from the White Cliffs of Dover

What about roaming onto the continent from the UK shore - that used to cost a fortune, now it's free. So you can still be safely esconced in Blighty, and this will affect you.

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Re: Hit the nail on that one.

So old people voted for something that will have be lived with and picked up by the next generation who didn't want it. What a selfish bunch the "leave" people are.

Has it ever occurred to anyone that the old people are (by definition) the only people who can remember life before the Common Market? And so are uniquely qualified to vote on this matter - because they are the only ones who know the difference?

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Re: Hit the nail on that one.

@adam 40 - It is not allowed to say sensible things, please refrain.

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Re: Roaming from the White Cliffs of Dover

What about roaming onto the continent from the UK shore - that used to cost a fortune, now it's free. So you can still be safely esconced in Blighty, and this will affect you.

Is turning off roaming too complicated for you?

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Brexit Means Brexit

What part of "LEAVING" do these people not understand?

Sovereignty. Taking Back Control. Passports.

Everyone in England will be a winner!

(And by "everyone" I mean the moneyed Brexit Elite. Tally Ho!)

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If only roaming worked at all

Recently took a holiday in Croatia (lovely, lovely country, well recommended to fellow commentards) and our small family fleet of phones weren't much cop at roaming. The two iD Mobile devices were OK, but data never worked, and the Talkmobile devices didn't work at all, even after speaking to customer services to ensure that roaming was available.

Conclusions:

1) Avoid Talkmobile (Vodafone) as they're shit at everything

2) Avoid iD Mobile because the DixonsPCWorldCarphone business will spaff your data to the world

3) Go on holiday to Croatia, God's Own Country.

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Re: If only roaming worked at all

Ican only agree with u regarding Croatia after my first visit last year. 3UK roaming was quite acceptable for me there. I used up several GB of allowance in a week there.

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Re: If only roaming worked at all

I was in Croatia last week and our EE phones roamed fine. If only I got a reliable signal from them inside my house in the UK

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Re: If only roaming worked at all

Interestingly Three usually works quite good when abroad.

And they were giving free roaming an Europe plus some countries outside (like the USA) before EU rules were introduced.

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Re: If only roaming worked at all

Just got back from Croatia reminded me of Greece before it joined the EU. The internet in our hotel was super fast at all times (wow). Mobiles worked fine other what when the short byt huge electrical storms we experienced took out the power locally for short periods.

Loved Croatia and Croatian wine.

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Re: If only roaming worked at all

@themeerkat

Three has worked great in every country I've been to so far, and when I'm in the US, I forgot I'm actually roaming....

Which is why I take umbrage at, "Vodafone were unable to resist reminding us that it was the first UK operator to abolish EU charges...." Three were well ahead of you there, Voda.... may not have been *every* country, but they've had free roaming in many countries for years before the EU law change

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Re: If only roaming worked at all

I was about to say the same....pretty much the only reason I stuck with them all this time!

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Re: If only roaming worked at all

Easiest approach is buy PAYG SIMs in destination country & use them in your phones second SIM slot (dual SIM phone is so useful)

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Re: If only roaming worked at all

Anon? Well you did so I will.

I went to Pula in May and spunked 15Gb of my Voda data in the two weeks we were there. Mainly Spotify over Bluetooth to a speaker and my daily dose of LBC in the morning. Even managed to stream some netflix when we were on a beach. 4G reception and bandwidth was brilliant.

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re: No Plans?

what's all that doodling on the back of that fag packet then eh?

Pigs might learn to fly before the Mobile Companies pass on ripping us off at every opportunity.

With this and the International Driving License scam, there is no doubt that we, the punters are going to pay dearly for BREXIT and this is only the start.

Where's Farage when we need to throw rotten spuds at him eh?

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Re: re: No Plans?

In Germany. Spending his stash of EU pension.

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Re: re: No Plans?

"Where's Farage when we need to throw rotten spuds at him eh?"

Non-rotten spuds are harder. Just a hint.

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Re: re: No Plans?

>Non-rotten spuds are harder. Just a hint.

If it comes to it, rotten spuds and tomatoes will prolong the agony for the target...

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Interfering with the free market?

"The government would pass legislation to ensure that charges remained capped £45 ..."

Errmm, is that Conservative government proposing to interfere with the free market??? When Labour proposed something similar (price caps for energy) they complained loudly about that being socialist idiocy. Can't see JRM and friends being in favour.

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