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Microsoft has agreed to acquire development platform GitHub in a deal worth $7.5bn, sending developers scurrying for cover. The Office-maker is chuffed to call itself the most active organisation on GitHub, claiming more than two million commits made to projects. The Seattle software slinger has its origins in development …

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    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      @Harley

      Wonder which new and exciting way they're gonna fuck it up.

      It doesn't have to go down that way though.

      I'm a vivid Minecraft player, a game Microsoft bought for around 2.5 billion, and we've had the same share of doom scenario's: it would mean the end of Minecraft because $Microsoft. And of course also because originally Minecraft is build on Java and we all know Microsoft somewhat competes against that with their C#.NET platform. This would be bad(tm).

      Now, in all honesty they have made a somewhat controversial decision by renaming the original Minecraft version into "Minecraft - Java edition" while they focused themselves on the so called "Pocket Edition" which is now dubbed the 'default' or 'real' Minecraft edition.

      Not a popular decision for sure, but it does make some sense if you consider that there are more players on the consoles than on the Java version.

      But this is the thing: the so called "doomed" Java version is still going strong and is still being actively maintained. In fact: the Java version is currently used to pitch and test new features and ideas and after they have been tested and set up on Java do they get moved to the Windows 10 version and beyond ("PE").

      At the time of writing the Java edition is anxiously awaiting release 1.13, dubbed Project Aquatica.

      Microsoft being bad for Minecraft? Sorry, but so far I haven't noticed any of that. In fact I can even say that it is the opposite. Because also... please mention a game where you can play multiplayer on the PC and across gaming consoles alike? I'm not that big a gamer, but to my knowledge there aren't that many, if maybe none at all. Minecraft does.

      There's a lot of prejudice and negativity towards Microsoft and sure: some of the stories are definitely true. But it doesn't have to be all bad. I've (sporadically) used their Codeplex website and that too wasn't all that bad. Heck, Microsoft was even realistic enough to eventually conclude that Github was the better website.

      So yeah, I'm not worried. I think this could also turn out into a good thing for Github.

      1. J. R. Hartley Silver badge

        Re: @Harley

        I've been writing books since I was an infant, I have been published in 47 languages, and still some cunts get my name wrong.

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: @Harley

          @ J R Hartley

          'still some c*nts can' spell my name.'

          Yes, but your books are all about fly fishing, decades old and mostly out of print - very few people under 50 will have heard of you.

        2. uptoeleven

          Re: @Harley

          > I've been writing books since I was an infant, I have been published in 47 languages, and still some cunts get my name wrong.

          Now you're just (fly)-fishing for sympathy...

        3. CheesyTheClown

          Re: @Harley

          I hope you don't mind me asking.

          Have you written anything that would signify anyone actually knowing your name?

          Writing books since you were an infant?

          "and still some cunts get me name wrong"

          I'm curious, where is the connection? Just because you have a book that has been published in a small handful of languages, 47 languages suggests that your books probably weren't interesting enough to be picked up broadly. I would say that if your book was published in 47 languages then :

          a) It was probably some fiction novel of some type

          b) It didn't catch on enough to justify translating it for lower volume markets

          c) It probably hasn't seen the NY Times best seller list and if it had, it was at 97th place for a week.

          I suppose I could go on, but let me say that if your book was only to translated to 47 languages, there could be a good reason no one has heard of you and certainly no one would know how to spell your name.

          Also, while I'm possibly one of the most arrogant and stuck up assholes on the register, I like to occasionally contribute something positive and informative. In the last month, you've written not a single positive or informative comment on any article or as a response to someone else's comments. Your entire purpose for posting on the comments is purely to make snotty one line remarks that are generally degrading.

          Now I'm not going to suggest that I'm "Mr. Ray of Fucking Sunshine" over here. But seriously man, did you actually just refer to someone as a cunt... for mistyping a name that probably no one has ever heard of outside of your personal social circle?

          I'll make the assumption that you're English as I've never seen another culture on Earth that tosses that word around so nonchalantly as the English do. And to help you better understand yourself, I'll use something I learned from a fellow countryman of yours.

          Simon Cowell one time make a remark "Miss, it is your parents job to tell you how pretty you are and how pretty you sing. But did you ever consider recording yourself and listening to your own singing before coming on this show? You're awful."

          Now I'm sure that girl is running around telling everyone how she should be taken more seriously because she has been seen performing in 47 countries and subtitled in 47 languages. And I'm sure that your mom and dad read the first 15 or 20 pages of your book(s) so they can tell you how great of an author you are. But let's be honest, the depths of your thinking are far too shallow to be successful as a writer. A creative mind would be able to perform far better than to revert to choosing the most offensive word in his vocabulary to describe a person who mis-typed the name of someone no one has ever heard of.

          I think I'll try to help make you famous. I do a great deal of public speaking in my work. I do this is at least 47 countries where people have actually paid to hear me speak in all of them. I'm really famous you know... I'm probably almost as big as David Hasselhoff is in Germany... umm maybe not quite.

          So what I'll do for you is that from now on, whenever I am trying to explain a person who sees themselves as being more impressive than they really are, I'll refer to them as a "J.R. Hartley... and that's with a T". So for example :

          I was listening to a climate denier on Fox News the other morning and he made a real ass of himself by publicly claiming he has the ears of the leaders of 47 nations. I mean seriously, could he possibly be more of a J.R. Hartley... and that's Hartley with a T... like the great author as opposed to Hartley without a T... like the broken motorcycle.

          I bet with that kind of publicity, you might even get translated to a 48th language someday and then... you will be REALLY famous and no one will ever be a cunt and mistype your name again. And I'm willing to do this just for you... because you my good friend J.R. Hartley with a T are a ray of fucking sunshine!

          1. Aspie73

            Re: @Harley

            @CheesyTheClown, I can't tell if this is a tongue in cheek rant, or whether the 1980's Yellow Pages ad https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nv1VQ7uSC-s completely passed you by.

      2. JohnFen Silver badge

        Re: @Harley

        It's a little sad when you have to reach to something as trivial and relatively unimportant as Minecraft in order to find an example of something that Microsoft didn't fuck up.

        1. Zakhar

          Re: @Harley

          Indeed, and what Harley didn't say, they probably ditched the Linux version of Minecraft didn't they?

        2. Tigra 07 Silver badge
          Devil

          Re: JohnFen

          Minecraft hasn't been fucked up yet.

          They've only just fucked up solitaire after all these years. (For those not aware it now has adverts unless you pay)

      3. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: @Harley @ ShelLuser

        >I'm a vivid Minecraft player, a game Microsoft bought for around 2.5 billion, and we've had the same share of doom scenario's

        Vivid Girl, avid Minecraft player, livid Github user

        Oh, and it's scenarios too. You're welcome.

      4. Ken 16 Silver badge
        Windows

        Never a great customer experience but

        a) better than you get from Oracle

        b) less likely to scrap and replace with something new than Google

        c) in business for 40+ years and still making money

        d) getting there on the cloudy stuff

        MS are usually the 2nd best, good enough, solution across a wide range of markets and able to win by bundling licensing for multiple products and being cheaper and easier to operate than going best of breed. They probably won't make it better, but they won't kill it either and even if 10-20% developers drift to other platforms the result won't be big enough to survive long term.

        1. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

          Re: Never a great customer experience but

          solution across a wide range of markets and able to win by bundling licensing for multiple products

          So not by using their monopoly to lock you into buying a monthly subscription for everything ?

        2. Jack of Shadows Silver badge

          Re: Never a great customer experience but

          Thirty-four years software, hardware and embedded engineering, it would take me days to recount all the times Microsoft has ripped something out from under me. Same especially applies to the "developers" of the world. Google are amateurs compared to Microsoft.

    2. TheVogon Silver badge

      Re: Shite

      At least it wasn't Google.

      1. JohnFen Silver badge

        Re: Shite

        "At least it wasn't Google."

        I don't see how Google would have been any worse. Certainly not better, of course.

      2. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Shite

        Google would have been a far more palatable situation, they have proven to care about OSS, and not have a hidden agenda (AOSP, VP9 etc), and are pretty transparent when it comes to the deal on offer and the difference between pay with cash and pay with privacy deals on the table, GSuite pay offerings and Chrome OS for education are examples of this.

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: Shite

          Google would have been a far more palatable situation, they have proven to care about OSS, and not have a hidden agenda (AOSP, VP9 etc), and are pretty transparent when it comes to the deal on offer and the difference between pay with cash and pay with privacy deals on the table, GSuite pay offerings and Chrome OS for education are examples of this.

          Er, what? The most important proprietary piece of software on the planet is Google Play Services, the thing that Google uses to ensure that Android pushes their services and products no matter who is assembling the phone. Heard of that?

          And as for gsuite, oh deary me.

          Google are in the business of selling you, not selling software to you.

    3. andyo

      Re: Shite

      Er, insist all development is on Microsoft platforms and none of this Linux malarkey?

      1. Champ

        Re: Shite

        > Er, insist all development is on Microsoft platforms and none of this Linux malarkey?

        You do know that over 25% of the VMs in Azure is running some version of Linuxm, yes?

    4. thames

      Re: Shite

      @J. R. Hartley said: "Wonder which new and exciting way they're gonna fuck it up."

      They'll integrate it with Linkdin, Skype, Azure and MS developer tools.

      Their press release said: "... bring Microsoft’s developer tools and services to new audiences."

      Expect to see Github features appearing which hook your code repos directly into MS Azure for deployment. Your Github rankings will be reflected in your Linkdin profile. If you don't have a Linkdin profile, one will be automatically created for you based on your Github data. Skype will be integrated into team meetings for projects. MS Visual Studio will have deep integration into GitHub beyond just being a Git client.

      So, you'll still be able to use Github via the web interface and via the command line Git client, but every possible Microsoft service that can be integrated into Github will be to the degree that a software developer could work through the life of an entire project without ever leaving the Microsoft walled garden.

      Microsoft just paid a staggering amount for Github (three times as much as press analysts were speculating) and they will be looking for ways to make that back. Introducing a variety of forms of vendor lock-in in order to sell other goods and services is the obvious choice here.

      I'm looking into what is involved in setting up a Gitlab account. I won't pull my open source projects from Github, but I won't use it as the sole public repo any more. Just like a lot of Youtubers have come to the realisation that they need to diversify their options rather than being at the mercy of Youtube's latest policies, I'm going to make sure that I can pull the plug on Github at any time if necessary just like I did with Sourceforge.

      P.S. Don't be surprised if Amazon come out with some sort of response to this.

      1. Tigra 07 Silver badge
        Linux

        Re: Shite

        They're idiots. Everyone is using Github...Microsoft is not happy with simply using it, they have to own it and drive everyone away.

        Microsoft...The unpopular kid with money who wants to ruin everyone else's fun because they're selfish.

        1. bombastic bob Silver badge
          Pint

          Re: Shite

          "Microsoft...The unpopular kid with money who wants to ruin everyone else's fun because they're selfish."

          Best! Assessment! Yet!

          Beer, sir!

      2. JohnFen Silver badge

        Re: Shite

        "They'll integrate it with Linkdin, Skype, Azure and MS developer tools."

        This is what I expect, and is why I'm done with Github.

      3. largefile

        GitHub was basically free.

        Microsoft's stock price and market cap have risen more than 8 billion USD in the last two days. GitHub was free.

      4. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Shite

        Their press release said: "... bring Microsoft’s developer tools and services to new audiences." - Yeah, exactly, like they have with free VS Code - which supports shit loads of languages - (almost) fully functional free VS, cross platform PowerShell, SQL on Linux, I could go on. What is so wrong with that? Do you not think the other tech giants try to sway you to their technologies by investing in open source and supporting certain foundations? Here’s a clue – these companies do not contribute to open source because it makes them feel all nice and fuzzy, they do it for a return; more market share, more big data (your data), and more profit. MS will no doubt realise they can achieve far more in the long run by using GitHub to build trust, relationships and familiarity, rather than quick monetization strategies. But even if they don’t behave you have the option to go elsewhere. Also, do you really think your code is of such interest to them? In 99.9% of cases it really won’t be.

        So many people on here seem to think Microsoft has a uniquely nefarious approach to business. That is patently delusional - in 40 years they have caused nowhere near the damage of Facebook and Cambridge Analytica. Furthermore, they have not a fraction of the insight into your whereabouts, activities, phone calls, liaisons and internet habits that Facebook, Google, Instagram and the rest of that bunch enjoy. You may remember that Google, not Microsoft read your emails to find out what you are up to and sell shit you didn’t realise you ‘wanted’. Some concerns are reasonable: “Github rankings will be reflected in your Linkdin profile. If you don't have a Linkdin profile, one will be automatically created for you based on your Github data”, but in the EU, GDPR will stop that, and in the US the market will have to do the same. However, even if they do try this crap, do you think that the other tech behemoths wouldn’t try exactly the same?

        The most important thing to remember here is that Microsoft is one of a very few of these giants that provides an actual product in return for a fee, whether that be software or cloud services. To the others, YOU and YOUR DATA are the products being flogged to anyone with a full wallet and no scruples.

        The truth is that many, maybe most, of us that work in IT probably wouldn’t be doing so if it weren’t for the enormous impact MS made on the widespread adoption of computing technology in the last decades of last century. And ironically, most of those calling Microsoft and its employees idiots wouldn't have a chance in hell of working for them as they’re neither smart enough or good enough at what they do.

        Microsoft are by no means perfect, and have done some shitty things, but neither are any of the others mentioned above, and most are worse. The rabid attacks on their tech are sometimes justified (i.e. Win 10 data slurping) but often have no basis other than bias and irrational hatred. Indeed, they have some world-leading technologies but many on here would never concede that is the case. I do get that this is a tribe that people want to feel part of, and it makes many feel superior to the ‘MS fanboy click monkeys… blah blah.......’ , and that is especially true on El Reg. It is however enormously tiresome, juvenile and just plain silly – I personally find it ridiculous, and quite hilarious. Get a grip!

        Lastly, anybody who criticises MS business practices has failed to realise that EVERY company would behave similarly in similar circumstances. Just look at all the never-ending patent wars or Facebook’s designs on a global social media monopoly. It’s just that Microsoft had the smartest people at the right time, were lucky and made the most of it.

      5. onefang Silver badge

        Re: Shite

        "If you don't have a Linkdin profile, one will be automatically created for you based on your Github data."

        Hmmm, that'll be interesting. Before I requested LinkedIn to delete my profile, I had changed my name to "Deleted User", and since then I've been getting emails from LinkedIn addressed "Dear Deleted". Right up to the last one a month or three ago that threatened to actually delete my account if I didn't agree to their new terms of service. I wonder if they did?

        If I change my GitHub name to "Fuckoff Microsoft", and delete everything else, will there be an unholy marriage of Deleted User and Fuckoff Microsoft? Will I end up being Deleted Microsoft, or Fuckoff User?

    5. bombastic bob Silver badge
      Big Brother

      Re: Shite

      How will they FUBAR github? They'll implement the #1 thing that Micro-shaft seems to be interested in at the moment:

      Use your github login to TRACK YOU online.

      Or worse, they'll make it a "Microsoft Logon", so it ties in with _EVERYTHING_ _ELSE_. Same with LinkedIn, no doubt.

      One login to rule them all, one login to FIND YOU. One login to track you all and in the darkness BIND YOU (to Micro-shaft's "services" and slurp and tracking).

      "YOU are 'the commodity'"

      1. Mark 85 Silver badge

        Re: Shite

        How will they FUBAR github? They'll implement the #1 thing that Micro-shaft seems to be interested in at the moment:

        Use your github login to TRACK YOU online.

        So the Google/Facebook modus operandi then. No surprise here.

    6. macjules Silver badge

      Re: Shite

      Added support with Skype? A way to actually link a proper CI process to Azure?

      The possibilities are endless ..

    7. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Hollywood predicted it, check out "Conspiracy.com" (film)

      Watch the movie "Conspiracy.com" (2001, also released as "Antitrust"), it's about a fiction tech-corp that closely resembles Microsoft. The story is about a tech-corp slurping source code from free software movement.

      "Conspiracy.com's pro–open source story excited industry leaders and professionals, with the prospects of expanding the public's awareness and knowledge level of the availability of open-source software. The film heavily features Linux and its community, using screenshots of the Gnome desktop, consulting Linux professionals, and including cameos by Miguel de Icaza and Scott McNealy [Sun Microsystems]. Jon Hall, executive director of Linux International and consultant on the film, said "[Conspiracy.com] is a way of bringing the concept of open source and the fact that there is an alternative to the general public, who often don't even know that there is one."

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antitrust_(film)

      1. Destroy All Monsters Silver badge
        Paris Hilton

        Re: Hollywood predicted it, check out "Conspiracy.com" (film)

        The story is about a tech-corp slurping source code from free software movement.

        But why would one want to do that?

        The source code is useless. The skills that come with it is what counts.

        Unless the company is manned by Alien Students doing Galactic Anthropology Studies....

    8. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Shite

      Who cares. It literally takes 6 minutes to pull, change the remote, push to BitBucket and delete your Github account.

      You also get the benefit of private and public repositories, for free, and most of all, not participating in Microsoft's embrace, extend, extinguish games they are so renowned for.

      1. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

        Re: Shite

        Who cares. It literally takes 6 minutes to pull, change the remote, push to BitBucket and delete your Github account.

        And how long to tell everybody else searching for your project that you are now on BitBucket and not just gone?

        How many of your contributors are going to switch, or do they just abandon it?

        How do you really delete all your existing data now that it is owned by MSFT?

      2. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Shite

        You are all wrong. The FIRST move that M$ will make will be to create some hindrance to simply moving your project to bitbucket. They cannot enact any other method of screwing you until they do. Once they make it tooth-pulling painful for you to move, THEN they start the slow process of monetizing their purchase. They are not going to screw you until they figure out how to cut off your exit.

    9. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Shite

      All your code are belong to us.

  1. steviebuk Silver badge

    Hmm...

    ....not sure about this. I think Nadella will balls it up and instead of leaving it as is, with interfere with it making it worth a lot less than what they've paid for it. Especially if he turns it into a subscription based service, then he'll knock billions off it's worth.

    I assume all the competitors code will be staying? Or will they have to pay a fee? Like GAM for GSuite that is run by an independent but for Googles E-mail system instead of Exchange.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Hmm...

      Hey, look no further than Linkedin. Before and after Microsoft acquisition.

      Githubbers, back up your stuff and move elsewhere.

      1. LosD

        Re: Hmm...

        LinkedIn before MS: Complete shit, but necessary

        LinkedIn after MS: Complete shit, but necessary

        I don't see much of a change?

        1. disgustedoftunbridgewells Silver badge

          Re: Hmm...

          I have noticed an increase in emails from Linkedin over the past few years about things like synergising agile blue sky thinking

        2. Bill Gates

          Re: Hmm...

          Linkedln after MS: Deleted my account, never went back. No big loss.

          1. TheVogon Silver badge

            Re: Hmm...

            "Linkedln after MS: Deleted my account, never went back. No big loss."

            Except job offers of course. If someone didn't have a Linked in profile we could verify them from we wouldn't usually consider making an offer.

            1. bombastic bob Silver badge
              WTF?

              Re: Hmm...

              " If someone didn't have a Linked in profile we could verify them from we wouldn't usually consider making an offer."

              You should cease with this NARROW MINDED THINKING immediately!

              Just because a potential employee is NOT WHORING HIMSELF on a "social media" site, does NOT mean the employee isn't WORTH SOMETHING. How about if this person has HIS OWN DOMAIN? If you have your OWN DOMAIN, you do NOT need LinkedIn, FaeceB[ook,itch], Tw[a,i]tter, or anything similar. Granted you won't need Github, either [except for its ease of offline storage and issues tracking, wiki, etc.].

              So why should "buying into THOSE things" affect whether a candidate is employable or not?

              There are 2 basic things a potential employee should have: 1) demonstrable skills, and 2) no serious reasons to mistrust. The resume covers the first. A simple background check covers the 2nd. And I _GUARANTEE_ that online presence on LinkedIn, Faeceb[ook,itch] etc., can be a bunch of LIES, if hiring managers are too lazy to do things the RIGHT way.

              LACKING "all of that social media", in MY view, would make someone a better candidate. Why? The future employee won't be WASTING TIME ON SOCIAL MEDIA AT WORK!! [similarly, not hiring smokers so they're not constantly taking "smoke breaks" - same idea]

            2. JohnFen Silver badge

              Re: Hmm...

              "If someone didn't have a Linked in profile we could verify them from we wouldn't usually consider making an offer."

              Excellent! I wouldn't want to work for a company that showed such a degree of poor judgement, so that helps me to dodge a potential bullet.

            3. cbars

              Re: Hmm...

              "If someone didn't have a Linked in profile we could verify them from we wouldn't usually consider making an offer."

              I have not down-voted you - but I feel like old fashioned references will still work - what makes a profile on linked-in more trustworthy? I could go and create a plausible profile, follow a bunch of "industry" pages and spam out friend requests, I bet a fair few would accept, and if not - hell I could create some other profiles and link them all together...

              Why is a 3rd party social media platform necessary for your applicants? If jimmy blogginsworth has got to the point where you are ready to make an offer but he HAS to know a contact you have, then as you know that contact, you could contact them and say, "hey, did you ever work with jiiimy blogginsworth?"

              1. TheVogon Silver badge

                Re: Hmm...

                "but I feel like old fashioned references will still work - what makes a profile on linked-in more trustworthy?"

                Because it's a small world in the city, and someone I know or someone they know will be connected to any candidate of note and I can give them a yell and ask about the candidate...

              2. Anonymous Coward
                Anonymous Coward

                Re: Hmm...

                “...but I feel like old fashioned references will still work - what makes a profile on linked-in more trustworthy?”

                It depends on the location/past-employers - some of my previous employers go out of their way to provide useful references, while other companies who I worked for for a number of years (I believe with some success...) only provide “X worked for us from Y to Z” to all former employees requesting references as HR policy.

                LinkedIn has provided future employers a way of verifying the details aren’t completely made up and new employers have general got informal verbal references from colleagues for roles I’ve applied for.

                YMMV

                1. JohnFen Silver badge

                  Re: Hmm...

                  "some of my previous employers go out of their way to provide useful references"

                  I never use previous employers for references (although I'll supply the letters of reference I get from them). I use colleagues.

                  1. TheVogon Silver badge

                    Re: Hmm...

                    "I use colleagues."

                    And of course you would only use colleagues that you know will give you a good reference - So that's next to useless to check out if you will be a good hire.

                2. Anonymous Coward
                  Anonymous Coward

                  Re: Hmm...

                  Nope, LinkedIn has provided a wonderful way to phish CxOs and VPs.

                  And a great way to create an awesome persona by the application of a really quite small number of sockpuppets.

                  Even worse, Hotmail won't mark LinkedIn emails as spam.

                  1. doublelayer Silver badge

                    Re: Hmm...

                    It is dangerous to refuse to trust someone on the basis of not having a linkedin account. Their account is likely to have exactly what you already have--their resume, their references, and some contact info. The one thing that linkedin has that they didn't give to you is a list of many people they know, knew at one point, or who sent them a connection request when they thought "Oh, I recognize that guy". If you're going to look through that list with the hope of recognizing someone and asking them, you're going to a lot of effort for little reward. Any person with something to hide isn't going to hide it in their linkedin profile; it won't be there at all. If you need to find it, more serious effort will be required. I have a linkedin account, but not for getting jobs. I assume that my qualifications, my performance in interviews, my open source contributions, and my references will be considered. Trust me, there is no other information in my linkedin account that could help you. I have my linkedin account so that I can find a job there, so that people looking for someone might see the profile, and because they haven't managed to spam me enough for me to shut it down.

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