back to article Blame everything on 'computer error' – no one will contradict you

Please pass on my regards to Mrs Cromwell for selling me her fig. What's that? You can't? Your email isn't working? Maybe that's because you are trying to log into Gmail with your Yahoo ID. That's right, they are different. They are supposed to be different. Yes, really. No, the computer isn't broken. You're broken, perhaps …

    1. imanidiot Silver badge

      Re: Don't give your opinion!

      For some problems there is a totally valid German management tactic called DELLE. Durch Einfach Liegen Lassen Erledigt.

      Don't do anything and the problem is solved.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Don't give your opinion!

        "Don't do anything and the problem is solved."

        The French call it "laissez faire". Beloved of some British politicians when it comes to them making money by whatever means. However - they rarely apply that principle when legislating on what voters can do in their private lives.

        1. CrazyOldCatMan Silver badge

          Re: Don't give your opinion!

          legislating on what voters can do in their private lives

          Why would politicians want the public interfering with their private lives?

        2. The Oncoming Scorn Silver badge
          Paris Hilton

          Re: Don't give your opinion!

          "Don't do anything and the problem is solved."

          The French call it "laissez faire".

          Didn't they try that tactic in WW2...

  1. Potemkine! Silver badge

    It's all because of IT

    The perfect scapegoat - even if the problem comes most of the time from the layer 8.

  2. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    I have days like this

    Person in front of me today trying to pay with NFC on their phone.

    A disturbing amount of bonking fails to release the goods, and requires manual attention before the payload is released.

    Finally I can pay for my rapidly cooling coffee...except that the other teller is shouting, the card readers just gone down.

    I reach into my pocket for change, lucky I am still old school and carry some real cash.

    And Dabsy, just be thankful you didn't get an e-ticket and the train with the broken charging points. the railways are all pushing for these now, probably so that they can fire the (albeit cheap) sour faced sloth behind the counter.

    1. VinceH

      Re: I have days like this

      "Finally I can pay for my rapidly cooling coffee...except that the other teller is shouting, the card readers just gone down.

      I reach into my pocket for change, lucky I am still old school and carry some real cash."

      You're using cash as the backup method - for me, it's the other way around. As a general rule, if I'm buying something over the counter in a shop, I pay with cash. The only exceptions are when I don't have enough cash on me (i.e. unusually large purchases - which is rare) or fuel. In the latter case, I always use pay at the pump at the filling station I use most often. I used to pay in cash, but a particular assistant there annoys me, and I just don't want to deal with him. (When I use other filling stations, e.g. when I'm away from home, I pay in cash).

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: I have days like this

      e-ticket "on" a Card with a bar/square-code. We've had that in french trains for more than a decade now.

      Works pretty well.

    3. Cpt Blue Bear

      Re: I have days like this

      "I reach into my pocket for change, lucky I am still old school and carry some real cash."

      At times like that I think of the story I heard about Joseph Stalin:

      Uncle Joe only carried pocket change. Whenever he wanted something it was given to him by a grateful public. Except when he took his nieces for a walk around Gorki Park and bought drinks at the vending machine. Vending machines aren't afraid of being sent to the gulags, you see.

  3. Mage Silver badge
    Unhappy

    When I say I hate computers

    Really I mean I hate why it's been implemented so badly by other humans.

    Dabbs' experience reminds me slightly of a Оди́н день Ива́на Дени́совича Odin den' Ivana Denisovicha (I read it in English). No doubt Alistair Dabbs sat down that night and thought, "It could have be worse".

    One day it will be. I don't fear Zombie attack, but ALL POS, Stock, Wages, ATMs etc outsourced to Cloud and one day it will go down. Like Potato famines (not just in Ireland), the Cloud is becoming a dangerous monoculture, apart from the fact a failure affects FAR more organisations than an in house system. There is "No Silver Lining" (a fantasy story about Cloud failure).

  4. Simon 4

    This is just a normal day in England.

    Interesting that Cromwell is mentioned. Unless we revolt, all 55 million Victor Meldrews that we can all be when pushed, this will continue. (55 million cos I’m not counting the Euros. Nobody else is either!}

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    2. Simon 4

      Dell Sales FAIL!

      I sent this to El Reg, but I guess they're not interested.

      Please enjoy this absurd Dell Sales chat fail in all it's glory. Feel free to distribute far and wide.

      Michael is the client.

      Michael Initial Question/Comment: Why is it when I add a PC to my basket, there is nothing IN my basket? I cannot buy from the website!

      14:14:28 System You are now being connected to an agent. Thank you for using Dell Chat

      14:14:28 System Connected with christopher_j_oliver

      14:14:34 christopher_j_oliver Welcome to Dell Business Sales & Finance, This is Christopher your Sales Advisor. Hope you are doing good!

      14:14:36 Michael Hi Christopher

      14:14:42 christopher_j_oliver Hi Michael

      14:14:48 christopher_j_oliver sorry about that

      14:14:52 Michael Frustrated by the Dell website that won't sell me a computer!

      14:15:02 christopher_j_oliver can i please have the link of the model your looking to order?

      14:15:12 Michael I've tried two browsers on two different PCs

      14:15:25 Michael Optiplex 7050

      14:15:31 Michael With Radeon card

      14:15:34 Michael And SSD

      14:15:56 christopher_j_oliver Would you like me to help you with the order ?

      14:16:27 Michael N033O7050MT02

      14:16:31 Michael I want to buy it myself.

      14:16:42 Michael I'm not buying £1200 of computer via chat

      14:17:00 christopher_j_oliver can i call and assist you ?

      14:17:15 Michael Can you just fix your website?

      14:17:19 Michael I can't be the only person

      14:17:29 christopher_j_oliver please let me check

      14:17:33 Michael How can Dell, of all companies, have a website that won't add a product to the basket?

      14:17:41 Michael Your website is totally F'd up

      14:19:24 christopher_j_oliver give me a minute please im checking on this

      14:21:11 christopher_j_oliver Thank you for your patience.

      14:21:23 christopher_j_oliver that one model is not in stock as of now

      14:22:20 Michael Website says "Ships in 3-5 business days"

      14:23:07 christopher_j_oliver it just got unavailable

      14:23:22 christopher_j_oliver needs to be removed from the website

      14:23:35 Michael So what is the new equivalent model then?

      14:23:59 Michael Why am I the only person here with any common sense?

      14:25:02 christopher_j_oliver http://www.dell.com/en-uk/work/shop/desktop-and-all-in-one-pcs/optiplex-7050-small-form-factor/spd/optiplex-7050-desktop/n044o7050sff02

      14:25:07 christopher_j_oliver please check this model

      14:25:32 Michael I don't want small form factor

      14:26:17 Michael I don't want Intel graphics

      14:26:31 Michael Should I just go buy Lenovo?

      14:26:40 Michael The Chinese will happily take my money

      14:27:24 christopher_j_oliver i would need to check on this and email you back

      14:27:45 christopher_j_oliver would need to check if we are having any new upgrades on the bundles

      14:36:19 christopher_j_oliver would that be okay ?

      14:42:00 Michael You just lost a sale to Lenovo. Congratulations. Please let your Sales director know that he is a numpty

      14:44:46 christopher_j_oliver sorry about that

      14:54:27 christopher_j_oliver are we still connected ?

      14:54:36 Michael We are.

      14:54:44 Michael And I don't mean to give you a hard time.

      14:54:48 Michael I know it's not your fault.

      14:54:53 Michael But I AM Serious.

      14:54:57 Michael I just bought a Lenovo.

      14:55:18 Michael That's a sale that Dell lost because the organization is ..... what can I say?

      14:55:23 Michael Not the Dell I used to buy computers from.

      14:55:28 Michael I always bought Dell.

      14:55:30 Michael Not this time.

      14:55:34 Michael You couldn't sell me what I wanted.

      14:55:37 Michael BIG LESSON

      14:55:47 christopher_j_oliver sorry about that

      14:56:22 christopher_j_oliver they is the new upgraded model that is getting update that is the reason that model is not available

      14:57:02 Michael it's pointless you telling me that

      14:57:07 Michael It's not 1996 any more

      14:57:24 Michael "we don't sell it any more but it's still on the website" - is a big fat FAIL

      14:57:39 Michael "We have a new model, but it's not on the website." - Big fat FAIL

      14:57:50 Michael It's not 1996

      14:58:00 Michael Ecommerce is not some newfangled fad

      14:58:10 Michael You're Dell, for crying out loud

      14:59:42 christopher_j_oliver il put this across to our team

      15:02:03 christopher_j_oliver would they be anything else i can assist you with ?

      15:02:09 Michael No thanks

      15:02:23 christopher_j_oliver you take care and have a good day

      1. tfewster
        Facepalm

        Re: Dell Sales FAIL!

        For a few months last year, O2 were unable to take phone bill payments from my Barclaycard. The first month I made a one-off payment, using the same card. The second month, I told them their systems were broken (they, of course, insisted there wasn't a problem and it must be Barclaycard) and wangled a credit for the month. The third month, when I rang and got the "How can I help you today?", I responded "It's more a case of how I can help you". In the ensuing stunned silence, I explained to the helldesk drone how bulk settlements were done and my scale of charges for consultancy. I settled for another free month.

        I don't actually know where the problem was. Apparently the back-room boys at neither O2 nor Barclaycard had noticed that settlement files (probably millions of pounds at a time) weren't working for months. One drone admitted that he'd had several other customers with the same problem "that day" and gave me an email address to escalate. Of course, the email address and website contact were out of date. So I carpet-bombed all the addresses and complaint channels I could find until I got an answer from someone who simultaneously denied the problem and promised to look into it & get back to me.

        Unfortunately my free service and entertainment ended on the fourth month, and I'm still waiting for my consultancy payment. Now what will I do with my spare time?

  5. Dan 55 Silver badge
    Mushroom

    Blame everything on 'computer error' – no one will contradict you

    Unless it's known you work in IT. Then it's your fault because you touched it last or you work with computers so you should know.

    1. Anonymous South African Coward Bronze badge

      Re: Blame everything on 'computer error' – no one will contradict you

      Unless it's known you work in IT. Then it's your fault because you touched it last or you work with computers so you should know.

      So doing that to a colleague at present. He fiddled with a server - now it is giving problems, and I just kick the ticket(s) back to him. Let him sort his own messes out.

  6. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Our local charity installed new POS machines in their shops. $deity knows what the UI is like but the previously competent volunteers struggled to register a sale. That was several years ago - and they still struggle with the incredibly numerous screen touches apparently needed for each transaction.

    My comment is the old "Someone had a nice lunch out of buying those".

    1. John Arthur
      Trollface

      Am I the only one

      who immediately thought Piece Of Shit when reading the first sentence?

      1. Chunky Munky
        Pint

        Re: Am I the only one

        You're not the only one - I thought it too. ----> Have one on me

      2. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Am I the only one

        That's because often times point of sails systems are pieces of shit. I've ones that are all pictures. No words .

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: Am I the only one

          "point of sails systems are pieces of shit. I've ones that are all pictures."

          Are they pictures of Norfolk Wherries?

  7. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Ely Cathedral gave me the mental shivers. The internal architecture seemed to be a model for Mervyn Peake's "Gormenghast".

    The Lady Chapel is interesting - still showing the damage to the niche statutes from the time of the iconoclasts of Henry VIII's reformation. Puritan Cromwell only used the cathedral as a stable for his calvary's horses.

    The original builders showed some future IT characteristics. Build a large edifice on an unstable swamp - and then wonder why one of the twin towers collapses. That asymmetry then becomes a feature.

    1. Chris G

      Unstable Swamp

      That reminds me of this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNaXdLWt17A

    2. Alister
      Pint

      Build a large edifice on an unstable swamp - and then wonder why one of the twin towers collapses. That asymmetry then becomes a feature.

      Classic!

      Quote of the week, right there.

      1. wayne 8

        The District of Columbia is built on a swamp. Asymmetry is the least of the problems.

        1. Mark 85

          The District of Columbia is built on a swamp. Asymmetry is the least of the problems.

          So thus "we must drain the swamp" has a root in truth?

          1. Anonymous Coward
            Anonymous Coward

            "So thus "we must drain the swamp" has a root in truth?

            There is a bigger swamp in Florida.

    3. CrazyOldCatMan Silver badge

      Build a large edifice on an unstable swamp

      The whole of the Queens Sqaure area in Bristol is built on a former swamp. With predictable results..

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        "The whole of the Queens Sqaure area in Bristol is built on a former swamp."

        There is a famous painting by John Constable titled "Salisbury Cathedral From Lower Marsh Close". It is another one that was built on marshland close to a river.

    4. Antron Argaiv Silver badge
      Thumb Up

      Pedant here:

      ...stable for his calvary's horses....

      Calvary = the hill on which Christ was crucified

      Cavalry = bunch of armed blokes on horses

      Same number of letters, same letters, different order, different meaning.

      Probably Microsoft spell correct. Check that you haven't got "evangelical (US)" mode selected?

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        "Probably Microsoft spell correct."

        Yes and no. The WaterFox spell checker obviously didn't flag a posible typo - and my brain read what it knew should be there.

        Transposed letters are one of the effects of old age on two finger typing. Your hands hit their assigned letters in the right order - but the finger synchronisation is slightly out. So - "va" for the left hand - "l" for the right hand which got ahead of itself.

        Possibly an insight into the way the brain splits up a sequence of words into two strings of letters for left and right hands. Then it slips up on synchronising the actual keystrokes. It started many years ago with the common mistype of "teh" - which some word processors automatically correct on the fly. Then spaces started to be transposed with letters.

        Sometimes whole short words get lost - like: "in"; "on"; "of"; "a". The brain quite happily fills in the gaps on subsequent proof reading. I find you can have mental checking of meaning or spelling - but generally not both on the same reading pass.

        On the other hand it may be that the brain was doing subconscious validation - and decided that the religion associated word had a higher probability in the context of a cathedral. A sort of Freudian slip.

        1. Teiwaz

          Yes and no. The WaterFox spell checker obviously didn't flag a posible typo - and my brain read what it knew should be there.

          There's a point.

          Anyone know of a good spellchecker for a browser better than the current 'just underline everything it doesn't recognise but not help like a smug teacher'.

          I'm not using any grammerly stuff or anything that clouds the solution. There's a perfectly good dictionary on the system that should easily be able to provide corrections and not just 'mark my homework'.

        2. $till$kint

          Those kind of two-finger typos could get you into teouble if your name is Alan....

  8. Lee D Silver badge

    Helpdesk analysis:

    - "Faults" caused by not following instructions, switching things off, etc.: 20%

    - "Faults" that aren't faults at all but the system operating exactly as designed: 20%

    - "Faults" caused by literally performing obviously destructive acts (deleting files, rebooting and losing their work, clicking Don't save, restoring factory settings, etc.): 20%

    - "Faults" caused by third-party software / services that aren't perfect but that we have zero control over (e.g. Word decides to crash, "why doesn't Microsoft just make a button for that", or the web service goes down, etc.): 20%

    - "Faults" caused by users literally expecting miracles (e.g. why can't I edit this 50dpi scanned PDF as if it was just a Word table? Expecting their ID card (from the 20 other cards in their wallet) to magically open the door when it's 30 feet away from both the door and the card reader, etc.): 19.9%

    - Actual, real, physical hardware faults: 0.1%

    IT is a real shitshow of having to cope with other people's idiocy and inadequacies. Nobody expects the car salesman to be the guy ACTUALLY RESPONSIBLE FOR DESIGNING the new BMW or whatever, but in IT it that's exactly what they expect.

    I had one just now - why can't we log into <web service provided by third party which has zero integration with our systems and was bought independently of the IT department>.

    I don't know... have you tried their support line?

    1. Charles 9

      "Yes, they bounced it back to you."

      And BTW, the other end of the line is someone from the board. The call is thus automatically DIE priority.

      1. Lee D Silver badge

        Sorry, it's still "not my problem, gov."

        If they are blaming me, they need to identify the action I need to take to resolve it. Which I can do for them. And then likely nothing will change.

        And, yes, had those conversations ANY NUMBER of times, for the big-boss and associates. Not once has it ever not been "They need to tell me what to do then". If it wasn't, it would already be fixed.

        (P.S. "Just open up all your firewall ports, disable all security, run as administrator" is not a valid course of action. And NOT ONCE has it ever resolved any problem an outside vendor has experienced).

        1. Charles 9

          You're lucky, then. You don't HAVE a workplace with DIE priority. DIE = Do It or Else, which automatically makes it the designee's problem. Their problem...or their ass, because it comes from someone over their head with the power to terminate with prejudice.

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      > Helpdesk analysis:

      I get about 40% logging issues with other companies’ products with similar names.

      > not following instructions

      I don’t think I’ve ever had a support request from anyone who had even considered the possibility that there might be instructions, if they clicked on that big “? HELP” button on the main screen.

      Except for one guy, who wanted it in PDF rather than HTML.

    3. John Brown (no body) Silver badge

      "IT is a real shitshow of having to cope with other people's idiocy and inadequacies."

      I was repairing a couple of laptops the other day. An on-site call-out at a council IT helpdesk and I was there a couple of hours. Pretty much every call I overheard was a use asking how do do stuff. In other words, either they had not had enough proper training or possibly were just useless at using the tools provided. The IT support budget is being used to hide the cut-backs in the training budget.

  9. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Railway booking office staff are not necessarily as painted. Buying a ticket from our local station was nearly always a pleasant operation. It was often the apparently irrational customers ahead of me that seemed to prolong transactions unnecessarily.

    One day I wanted a train ticket that appeared to be going to cost me over £200. Unbidden the counter clerk offered me a discounted fare of about £40. Then he pointed out that I might find it useful to buy an annual discount card that would chop another third off that and future tickets. Well worth it.

    Try to be nice to people behind the counter of any business. They are a captive audience for the customers' foibles - like any IT support role. Make their day - and they will probably make yours too.

    1. Fred Dibnah

      My local station is staffed with people like that. They seem to have the entire timetable in their heads, along with the entire fares table. They usually beat the split ticketing sites on price, and always beat the main ticketing sites.

      It's good that trains attract a certain nerdy type that enjoys amassing lots of what looks like pointless information, but which when put together becomes a great example of big data.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        @Fred

        The problem is that the "good ones" are not seen as good to the organisations they work for. They are a sort of secret resistance or double agent.

        I applaud the few that do indeed know what is going on. They are a rare breed and constantly under threat from their own management.

        1. John Brown (no body) Silver badge

          Re: @Fred

          "I applaud the few that do indeed know what is going on. They are a rare breed and constantly under threat from their own management."

          I applaud the few that do indeed know what is going on. They are a rare breed and are a constant threat to their own managements jobs.

          FTFY. Sadly the people who are great at frontline work usually get either stifled or promoted. If promoted, they may or may not be good in the new position, but whoever replaced them seems rarely to be as good.

    2. CrazyOldCatMan Silver badge

      Railway booking office staff are not necessarily as painted

      Indeed not. But sometimes they do have their moments.. Many years ago in a place far, far away (Barnet) there was a ticket agent at the local main-line station who, while otherwise a splendid chap, seems consitutionally incapable of telling the difference between Plymouth and Portsmouth. Since I wanted to visit Plymouth (my then-girlfriend, now wife lived there) it was a tad disconcerting to realise that he'd sold me a ticket to Portsmouth..

      I got into the habit of watching which keys he punched and got fairly adept at realising that he was about to sell me the wrong one.

      1. Anonymous Custard
        Joke

        Maybe he's a former sailor who still goes for any port in a storm?

    3. The Oncoming Scorn Silver badge
      Coat

      I have lots of fun in a sad way, trying to get any long UK railway journeys cost down, by the booking the whole trip online into three stages, utilising as many off-peak tickets & as few peak tickets as available.

      I brought the Glasgow to Exeter St Davids fare down to about 88 quid from 190 in a recent exercise to show Yanks at a convention.

  10. allthecoolshortnamesweretaken

    "If ever you need someone to hold down your computer while you give it a kicking, he's your man."

    Thanks for the offer, but the day I'll need help with this will be the proverbial "that'll be the day" day.

  11. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    "computers are bastards"

    I cannot argue with that one!

    1. CrazyOldCatMan Silver badge

      "computers are bastards" I cannot argue with that one!

      I have just one comment: "I have no mouth and yet I must scream". Read it and have nightmares..

  12. Dazzz

    Only tenners?

    If it was dispensing tenners instead of 20's I would have given it another go to see if requesting a tenner got me a 20 quid note in case the got the dispenser cassettes the wrong way round...

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