back to article I see you're writing a résumé?!.. LinkedIn parked in MS Word

Microsoft has glued LinkedIn and Office 365's Word together so it can automatically help folks write or update their résumés – and find them new jobs at the same time. Resume Assistant in Office 365 Given Redmond has owned social-network-for-suits LinkedIn since 2016, we're floored it took this long. Specifically, Microsoft …

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"With over 15 million job applications being submitted on LinkedIn every week, "

...of which at least 10% are from real candidates, and over half of them haven't got CVs of outright lies, and that in pursuit of job adverts of which no more than 30% are corporate "fishing"....

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Re: "With over 15 million job applications being submitted on LinkedIn every week, "

"outright lies"

Ha, I love Linkedin for this,.... I occasionally look up old colleagues, one has the prefix 'Senior' to every role he's ever had, even his first,..... but when I worked with him we were the same level, and not 'Senior' at all, that wasn't even a job description where we worked. Another was a salesy bullshitter, who now actually works in sales, and his CV was full of how he got so many achievements, and increased this and that, when the truth is the company we worked for nearly went bust.

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Re: "With over 15 million job applications being submitted on LinkedIn every week, "

I've occasionally noticed people I've worked with taking credit for projects that I delivered :)

Still, there's no conflict as I don't put any such details on LinkedIn.

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Re: "With over 15 million job applications being submitted on LinkedIn every week, "

I've occasionally noticed people I've worked with taking credit for projects that I delivered :)

Don't need LinkedIn for that. Years ago I was working in the SEN dept of a big Secondary school. I did an analysis of progress and results between primary and secondary stages and wrote a report. The next thing I heard was that the Head of Department had claimed it as her work. But then she'd been asked to deliver a talk to the inspectors and the LEA about it. And was in a panic because she couldn't understand it properly. So I had to get her out of trouble by writing a summary of the conclusions, in very short words and not too many numbers.

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"In addition to suggesting possible jobs, Microsoft said its Resume Assistant will offer improvements to users' résumés by looking at the LinkedIn profiles of those with similar job titles and examining how they describe themselves and their positions."

AI plagerism, anyone?

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"In addition to suggesting possible jobs, Microsoft said its Resume Assistant will offer improvements to users' résumés by looking at the LinkedIn profiles of those with similar job titles and examining how they describe themselves and their positions."

AI plagerism, anyone?

Sounds like it's just propagating bullshit...

Fake news, fake resumes next, the next twenty years, human civilisation is going to drown even further in nonsense and bullshit.

That is, if they ever get the resume written for being interrupted with ads for jobs in arsehole, Idaho or Anus, New Delhi.

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It rather destroys the purpose of a CV to sell yourself if you use the same words as everyone else.

So a prospective employer gets 25 CVs through the door for a role and 22 of them are almost identical, anyone care to guess which round file they are going into?

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Top Tip for employers:

To avoid employing unlucky people randomly bin half the applications

-viz

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Alternative, throw them all in the air, the ones that land face up (or vice versa) get to stage 2.

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Headmaster

"That is, if they ever get the resume written for being interrupted with ads for jobs in arsehole, Idaho or Anus, New Delhi."

Actually its Asshole, Idaho. Arsehole isn't a word here.

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Despite Brexit...

Thank you El Reg for another two minute hate on MSFT. What a time to be alive.

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Re: Despite Brexit...

Thank you El Reg for another two minute hate on MSFT. What a time to be alive.

Two minute ridicule more like...

There,s stupid, there's stupid and annoying, and then further along, there's MS Office with built in LinkedIn job whoring from the service that gave you Top Trumps with business profiles.

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Re: Despite Brexit...

See - that's a masochist for you!

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Trollface

The race to the bottom

If the world works as Microsoft want to to, everyone who uses this tool to BS their way into a job, will get that job over someone who really knows how to do the job. Thus resulting in a world where everyone achieves a position dictated by the Peter Principle and all industries collapse.

What it should do, is check how much management jargon you are using in all you have ever typed, and only if you avoid that jargon, should it help create a CV which gives you a chance of being shortlisted. If it determines you are full of BS, it should send details of your true usefulness, via a secret email, to each prospective employers to whom you write a covering letter to accompany that CV.

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Re: The race to the bottom

Thus resulting in a world where everyone achieves a position dictated by the Peter Principle and all industries collapse.

Which is indeed what has been happening in the word at least since 2005, maybe earlier. - HP, IBM, Carillion, RBS, Brexit, Capita (....) an unrelenting display of one stunning feat of common incompetence and straight-up fraud after another.

Microsoft is only doing what Microsoft does best: Going all into Domination of some shining, new, hot, thing - which to everyone else was new, hot and whatever when Moses was doing his river journey.

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Could be a positive thing

It strikes me as a little bit creepy, but the reality is that if a tool exists that allows me to get resumes past the Taleo filter and other content filterers, and into a real interviewer's hands...I'm going to use it. I'm assuming the Resume Assistant is going to genericize your resume to make it as machine-readable as possible.

What I wonder is whether LinkedIn is actually a professional platform anymore. When the UI started morphing into Facebook-style a while back, people started treating it like Facebook. I run in both the techie and management circles because of the nature of my work, and this is absolutely the case. You have people posting vitriolic comments, getting into comment fights, etc. You also have self-help attention seekers posting inspirational quotes, and their followers congratulating them on having such great vision. For a platform that's basically supposed to be an extension of your CV, it has a lot of social stuff that many potential employers might use to filter you right out.

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Re: Could be a positive thing

It strike me as a lot creepy.

"if a tool exists that allows me to get resumes past the Taleo filter and other content filterers, and into a real interviewer's hands...I'm going to use it."

Fair enough. Personally, I won't. Companies who use those sorts of filters in the first place are very likely to be companies that I won't enjoy working for (so I guess they're doing their job!)

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Re: Could be a positive thing

"I'm assuming the Resume Assistant is going to genericize your resume to make it as machine-readable as possible."

Doubtful. It's most likely going to focus on the kinds of things you do NOT want highlighted in your resume like favoring education over actual experience, or work history over your demonstrable skill set. it's the kind of things that H.R. weenies focus on, which is NOT the kinds of things that IT managers focus on.

How "they" read resumes:

H.R. weenie - it has the right key words and tricky phrases in the right order where I don't have to search for them, with education prominently placed at the top of the list so we can filter on it

IT Manager - this guy knows how to code, understands what a network is, has xx years of experience doing things similar to what we want, and isn't just some new graduate that specialized in "academia" instead of "getting work done on time and under budget"

It's an ongoing problem to find a creative way of getting the hiring manager to look at your resume instead of the typical clueless H.R. weenie that thinks 'networking' is using people you know to get a job. Of course that last part helps, too, but isn't what the job requirements in IT meant...

And it's a fair bet that Microshaft's HR department isn't much better than any OTHER megacorp when it comes to filtering resumes for hiring managers...

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Re: Could be a positive thing

The pisser is that a resume written to convey your experience and accomplishments to the hiring manager who actually understands what you've written is not likely to get past the HR weenies who are skimming it for buzzwords (or the ATS crutch they've come to rely on because reading resumes is too hard for them nowadays).

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Re: Could be a positive thing

I might consider it if LinkedIn's job search wasn't the most piss-poor excuse for a search engine going. Oh, you're a security engineer in Birmingham? Here's an advert for a part-time gardener in Nottingham...

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Re: Could be a positive thing

Well if you live in Alabama it's only 10 miles from Nottingham to Birmingham and lots of bugs are found in gardens...

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Personally, I find this rather creepy. Even creepier than Clippy. What's next? If I do a resume, will their next step be to automatically send it off to everyone INCLUDING my current employer?

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automatically send it off to everyone INCLUDING my current employer?

Not automatically, it's a service :). Of course one has to expect that your employers HR people can subscribe to various "Linked-In Events" regarding people already working with them. Updates and Up-ticks in page reading activity and so on. I'd think that would be a feature since a long time back.

Maybe this is more real-time - They see someone opening a resume during work-hours and they can send Security to black-bag them before it's even done?

Since we are doing salary "negotiations" soon, I shall update my Linked-In profile just to rattle them a bit, I think.

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let Clippy write your résumé for you

They know what you've been doing and when so just sit back and enjoy their taking you for a ride.

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Re: let Tay write your résumé for you

Fixed that for you :)

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Dear Jobseekers

If you need a lot of AI help updating a CV have you considered that you may be applying for the wrong job?

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Re: Dear Jobseekers

Maybe, but, the reality is that most job-seekers today need an AI to beat the "Search and Selection AI" and win the right to talk to an actual human person. It's a class thing: The more menial the job is, the harder the scrutiny and vetting process will be!

The "right jobs" have analogue interviews in places like the airpower lounge bar or after-hours at conferences. Almost zero scrutiny is applied. Last time I got hired, I didn't show any paperworks.

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I thought linkedin was just a spambot until my first encounter with it when they purchased and completely destroyed the pulse newsreader app.

Having said that, it took me a while to realise that candy crush was actually a game and not just extremely annoying malware spam

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Devil

playing...

Devils advocate here, I got my last two jobs through linkedIn both of them steps up in pay and prestige so I'm not against them per se. I just hate having to look over lazy C.V.s that look like they've been ripped straight from their linkedIn profile. Stuffed full of keywords like some early 2000s website attempt at SEO. And this.... Will not help in the slightest.

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Assuming this is running on the corporate Office 365 it can also email your manager/HR drone or whoever that you're looking for a job.

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Ah, the linkedin spambot is owned by ms. Explains a lot

Started getting random spam from the linkedin.com domain a few years back, shitcanned the entire domain with a server-side filter.

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How to turn it off?

The most important question is.

How do I turn this thing off? I also need to make sure that it stays off.

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God? knows how my 5yr out of date email address got on the LI list.

Reading this article and all the comments make me realise how lucky I am to be the hirer instead of the hired.

Not once has it been mentioned not all folks work for someone else.Bless you if its got you a better job.

Its more blessed tho not not to have to answer to some middle manger on self promotional medication.

Wether you survive or fall , depends on your own efforts.

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Pint

LinkedIn jokes...

Q: What time is it on LinkedIn?

A: 12:00, 12:00, 12:00, 12:00, ...

LinkedIn - where being endorsed for inexplicable skills in unknown fields by people you've never met is not unexpected.

LinkedIn - for when MiddleMismanagement.com is just not enough.

Does the LinkedIn Store sell bumper stickers marked "I ♡ PIVOT TABLES!!" ?

Where Dilbert hits too close to home, and isn't considered hilarious.

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I also deleted my LinkedIn account, though I think I did so just before Microsoft bought it. Though I knew it was never gonna actually be deleted. So first thing I did was change my name to "Deleted Account", and ever since I have been getting emails from LinkedIn that start "Dear Deleted".

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Trollface

That's an excellent idea.

Change your name to something really derogatory before deleting an account, and then you can sue them when they send you offensive emails :)

Dear Fuck-witted Moron,

would you like to sue us?

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FAIL

I just got another "Dear Deleted" email today, suggesting that if I didn't want to agree to their new terms and conditions, I can close my account.

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Brilliant!

I can already see the next step: an "AI" that will "help" HR and headhunters rank incoming CVs. It will be built into the most widely used HR and placement agency systems[*]. Obviously, it will rank those written with the help of the Resume Assistant higher, raising the (forthcoming) licensing revenue potential...

[*] Well, most of those already require CVs to be in .docx. Can't handle PDFs, etc.

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My best agent

The best thing that ever happened to me in the world of work was when I found I was getting called because of a recommendation. I make no claims to brilliance or perfection or awesome qualifications but I've always committed myself to the job and, yeah, maybe pulled the occasional rabbit out of the hat once in a while.

When I reached the point that work came by word of mouth, and I no longer had to even think about greedy agencies and trowelling Maybelline onto a CV ... life got better.

The less my life involves LinkedIn or anything else to do with f****** Micro$oft, the happier I am.

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Convergent function to make all CVs ...

... identical. A dystopian future beckons ... where those unable to write a competent CV will have the AI engine write it for them, averaging all existing CVs, and ultimately all CVs will be created the same. The HR droids will lose the filter weapon they enjoy the most.

When will the automaton tip over into mundanity with inadequate differentiation? Can't be long now ...

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Hmm ...

Some years ago I added the following paragraph to my CV:

"This is largely a work of fiction based on my mental suppression of unfortunate past events. Any resemblance to actual businesses, projects or persons, (living, dead or about to make the transition), is purely coincidental. Inviting me to an interview would however allow me to elaborate on this, and might brighten up, or at least bring some surrealism to, an otherwise dull day."

This has made no difference whatsoever to the number or quality of job offers I receive, but has confirmed my suspicion that nobody reads the thing anyway.

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The rise of the machines

Well I'd heard that machines were going to steal lots of jobs. Maybe I was wrong about how they're going to do it. If they can watch enough humans apply for jobs then perhaps they can beat us at the application stage. Opt out of this - don't help the machines learn to replace us!

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Anonymous Coward

The only thing I ever found Linky Din useful for was for stalking fit birds.

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Another step...

towards ?????

Given the level of hostility here towards this move, I have to wonder what MS were smoking when this idea was put on the table. Unless...

In the land of Trump and Musk people actually like LinkedIn and think this is wonderful, brilliant and super???

I am so glad that I (like many) deleted their LinkedIn profile years ago as it was nothing more than a spam generator.

Posting AC as I don't want to tempt fate with MS ressurecting my account.

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It's the ultimate echo chamber

In the world of salestards, LI is reasonably useful in keeping tabs on where old contacts have gone, and identifying people to cold call (and before anyone moans, the pre-LinkedIn way to identify people was to simply ring up and ask who the IT manager is... all LI does is save a bit of time).

However, extended phone book usage aside, it really is an endless stream of self-promoting shite from self-proclaimed 'influencers';

We've had that Russian chap from the Daily Mail parent for while, but he's now been replaced with Brigitte who has written a book on AI, recruited 4,000 homeless pregnant disabled veterans, and regards the sun rising every day as an event so awe inspiring she has to make some vapid post about it so thousands of time rich halfwits can hit the like button.

The news feed algorithm is totally borked, and a premium account won't save you from promoted/sponsored content.

The supreme mark of it being a Microsoft product though? The fact the site doesn't really work with Explorer.

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Re: It's the ultimate echo chamber

... and regards the sun rising every day as an event so awe inspiring ....

There is a division head where I work that does a bi-weekly 52-slides epic powerpoint presentation on the glorious achievements of his division. It is never asked, I gather, why he has the time for this work and why the other managers have the patience to sit through that deluge of brightly coloured trivia rather than shooting him in the face five minutes in.

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Don't understand the hate for linkedin

I have got 2 ace jobs because of it. Not sure why people are so vehemently against it tbh. Its just like any other social media tool, there are costs and benefits and if you think the benefits aren't worth it, don't register. I have noticed that people who post 00s of times on this forum seem to hate any form of social media at all

Facebook have terrabytes of useless data: people checking in to restaurants or liking posts to win prices. MS have something much more valuable. I do worry about what they will be able to do with the world's CVs, but for me, the benefits outweigh this

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Happy

No Ta.

I'm another one who linked out just before Microsoft linked in. I also changed my details several times first over a couple of weeks.

I don't seem to get any spam from them at all these days.

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HR versus hiring managers.

A few data points:

I have gotten all my jobs since 1973 via word of mouth, and dropping a CV directly to the hiring manager. The job in 1970 I got by walking into a shop with a "Help Wanted" sign.

The VP of my most recent job confided that they got their best non-personal-referal candidates from a Craigslist ad. The well-advertised agencies were essentially worthless.

One job, the manager wanted to offer me a job but had to go through HR, who would only accept a CV in Word .doc format. For a diagnostics and Linux Drivers position. (OpenOffice export to the rescue)

As for leaving, I'd do it in a shot if I didn't have to pay for Premium just to message those of my contacts who I would actually want to keep, updating my actual email address. When did the ability to send messages become an extra-cost feature?

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"This is where Microsoft says its AI projects come into play."

"I'm sorry, Dave; I can't let you apply for that job."

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