back to article Nokia's comeback is on: The flagship 8 emerges

To understand the appeal of the first "Nokia flagship" in three years, the Nokia 8, think of what Google was doing with the Nexus line until it caught "Pixelitis"*. Stock Android, monthly updates, decent imaging, and competitively priced. And really no other frills or gimmicks. The phone does have some Nokia DNA, as it was …

Re: No wireless charging? No sale.

Too many times I've received a call on a phone charging while tethered to a USB, picked it up and had the phone shoot out of my hands once the cable reaches its full extent. User error? Most certainly. Annoying as hell? Absolutely. USB-C might make charging ever so slightly easier but it's still no match for put down, pick up convenience.

Does wireless charging take longer than a tethered fast charge? Sure, probably. To be honest it's hard to tell as my phone is now almost always fully charged most of the time thanks to having multiple charge plates at home/office, and putting a near empty phone on my bedside cabinet at night I awake to a fully charged phone in the morning as if by magic! Fast charging becomes irrelevant when charging is something you no longer have to even think about (and if I ever did need it, I can always find a cable somewhere).

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Re: No wireless charging? No sale.

A HDD recorder is alright, but it's a pain in the arse when you're upstairs and you want to watch something recorded on the downstairs HDD recorder. But you can't watch it downstairs, because the partner is watching Eastenders or A.N. Other Shit Show starring a nobody.

It's times like that where I miss the convience of a VHS tape.

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Re: No wireless charging? No sale.

Also, some newer cars have a Qi pad built into the little nook where you chuck the phone. Sure there's USB ports in there too, but we're talking about the 15 seconds of nuisance every time you hop in and out. Shirley the harder needed would be under a dollar. There are plenty of things I'd lose* before wireless charging.

*Sadly, my Nexus 5 finally succumbed to a dead screen. I could deal with the broken power button, the broken mic, and 2 hour battery life, but I had to say bye when the screen died replacing the battery. New cheapo doesn't have wireless charging. First world problems totally, but I do miss it.

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Re: No wireless charging? No sale.

It's times like that where I miss the convience of a VHS tape.

Well if you don't mind paying (possibly too much) for your TV then Sky Q has their multiroom product. Going by their forums it seems a bit unstable unless you take the time and trouble to use a wired connection instead of Sky's mesh network but apparently works for most people.

Sky Go is another option. It can stream recordings to any device of your choosing and is free as part of any subscription.

Of course all of that that does mean paying Sky for a service, but it's a possible solution to your dilemma ;)

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Re: No wireless charging? No sale.

"Of course all of that that does mean paying Sky for a service, but it's a possible solution to your dilemma ;)"

But if I buy two VHS recorders I could just remember to record the programs, then watch them upstairs or downstairs without having to give Rupert Murdoch and Rebeka Brooks any money. That seems to be the only solution :)

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Re: No wireless charging? No sale.

I guess it's whatever rocks your boat. For me, the 2 seconds wireless charging saves me by not needing to plug in a cable is totally meh. I completely fail to see the point. Like you, I also love the speed my 5X charges via USB-C.

But that's just me and I probably have different priorities to many. For instance, I'd definitely trade the split screen video and fancy sound on the Nokia for toilet-drop-waterproofing. The number of times I'm at a rock concert (zero) versus the number of times I've dropped a phone in the loo (two) makes waterproofing an infinitely (literally) more useful feature.

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Re: No wireless charging? No sale.

"but we're talking about the 15 seconds of nuisance every time"

Itf takes you 15 seconds to attach a cable to a phone . . . I realise it might for some people for various physical reasons but for the average it should be done in less that 2 I would have thought?

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Re: No wireless charging? No sale.

But if I buy two VHS recorders I could just remember to record the programs, then watch them upstairs or downstairs without having to give Rupert Murdoch and Rebeka Brooks any money. That seems to be the only solution :)

What about MythTV? One decent PC (wtih tuners) to record on and then scatter some Pi's or something around where needed.

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Re: No wireless charging? No sale.

I've got a satellite receiver that lets me record the transport stream of the channel with the programme that I want to watch. I then watch via a laptop connected to any tv via HDMI if not watching in the living room where the sat box is. I'm going to use a Pi solution shortly in each room. It records exactly what is broadcast with no compression applied by the receiver. Don't need to give Mr Murdoch any money and never have.

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Re: No wireless charging? No sale.

Disappointed to read on a supposed tech site that you didn't make the obvious suggestion of making your own PVR using an old computer and mythtv. You can then watch anything you like anywhere on your network as long as you've got a raspberry pi or something similar. I first did it over 10 years ago (sans pi, clearly) and I'm no tech expert.

Why give money for Murdoch for something as easy as that?

(I know you can't record Sky programmes, but you can't do that with a VHS very easily)

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ok.. a company that hit the skids.. now coming out with a premium $$ phone.. .sure....LOL

how about building a decent budget phone ... I wouldn't pay more than $200 for any phone.. they are just a tool...

except for the addicted... then the skies the limit... idiots

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Er, then look at a 3, 5 or 6. Or even a 3310...

As you say, LOL.

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FAIL

Epic fail

Straight to Android landfill

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Split screen market?

For DIY broadcasters this is great, but you wonder how many others care about taking split-screen (front and back) images or movies.

Add that with the sound and cameras and you have a proper multimedia phone, and that may well be what they sell it as.

I say that is a bloody huge market, it's just the reg readership is completely the wrong demographic. This for those things called kids and Millienials

Reality check.

99% of "normal" people don't give a toss about sealed batteries, as they will swap it out at end of contract. If they did, none of the best selling phones would y'know, be best sellers.

Most people don't need waterproofing unless they do have the habit of dropping it down the crapper. Splash proof is fine for most.

Oddly most people do care about that 1mm, no idea why as they then stick a bloody great case on it wiping out any savings, but it seems they do.

At the end of the day it comes down to marketing. Crap marketing, Crap sale. Good marketing, good sales (I really can't believe I'm saying this).

I think it will do OK. No amazing, but ok.

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Re: Split screen market?

I largely agree with your points, and your conclusion.

Waterproofing is for peace of mind, like insurance. On this phone, the lack of full water proofing may be related to its audio recording capabilities.*

Said capabilities will be handy or invaluable for some people, but not all. (Most MiniDisc players could record analogue audio, but few MP3 players can). The idea of not having to adjust recording levels beforehand sounds lovely!

Not just kids and millennials want to record audio, but maybe the greybeards have already treated themselves to a pricey audio recorder (Proper Sony: knobs and dials all over a magnesium chassis)

Thin phone plus case will still be thinner than fat phone plus case.

*Last Chance to See, by Douglas Adams. Douglas accompanies a BBC sound engineer to attempt to record the Yangtze River dolphin. He enquires about special BBC underwater microphones, and is told the standard BBC procedure is to use a standard microphone with a condom stuck over it. Cue 6'7" Mr Adams walking around a Chinese town asking shy shop assistants for condoms, only for them to fetch their managers who try to sell him contraceptive pills instead.

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Re: Split screen market?

greybeards have already treated themselves to a pricey audio recorder

Musicians of all ages buy audio recorders in quite significant numbers - for rehearsal and to record (their own) concerts. Non-musicians buy them to record concerts (other people's). I'd be very pleased to get access to HAAC recording because even specialised audio recorders tend not to cope very well with high sound pressure levels or wide dynamic range - and you generally can't keep an eye on the levels if you're performing at the same time. I'm not entirely sure I'd want it in an expensive phone - one that's a tempting target for the light-fingered while it's outside your immediate control, but having it in a mid-range phone would be very convenient - something less to carry.

I did consider getting a Lumia for that specific purpose - but the combination of fixed internal storage and firmware updates that successively crippled the audio capabilities knocked that on the head.

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I wish I could be bothered to care

Dogs bark, the caravan moves on.

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I don't take calls in the shower, so a GBP 150 discount on snowflake glitz is good enough for me.

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Sometimes you find yourself needing to use the phone's flashlight in a rain storm.

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It's fine.

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Finally

This device will most likely be my next phone. My Lumia 950 has been steadily degrading to the point where it's close to becoming unusable (but it's just over a year old, so the decline was expected /end sarcasm) and I'm looking forward to getting something new.

I have already planned the destruction of my current device. I'm not going to save it, I'm not going to sell it, I'm going to destroy it and I'm going to enjoy the experience to the fullest. I'm first going to throw it against a wall and will take care of what remains with a hammer. I'm REALLY looking forward to this, it's been a long time coming!

I'm considering filming it with my new phone and sending the result to Microsoft, because I am indeed that spiteful.

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Re: Finally

Why would you expect it to die after a year? My 1020 is still going strong and was bought in September 2013! The battery isn't quite as good as new but it still gets through a day without needing a top-up.

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I was being sarcastic, hence the /end sarcasm ;)

My first smartphone was a Nokia Lumia 900, i still have it and the battery is still fairly decent. I had a 1020 too, but the screen shattered, prompting me to get the 950.

The 900 was a treat, the 1020 was absolutely fantastic, but the 950 has been crap from day one. I'm glad Nokia is back and hope the 8 will be as good as the 1020 was.

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Nah

I'll stick with my "No Name" XGody Y16

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Shame the camera doesn't sound like its top rated.

In these days of snapchat/instagram, having a camera that isnt rated as being up there with the iphone/S7/S8 camera doesnt stand a chance with most of the youth of today.

I'm fairly sure thats one of the reasons HTC have been left behind as well.

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I want one

Is the bootloader unlocked? Everything else looks amazing.

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What About the Nokia 9?

Any news on the alleged "real" Nokia iPhone, Galaxy killer, the Nokia 9?

I had read rumours that news on the (alleged) Nokia 9 was going to be announced at the same time as the Nokia 8.

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What About the Nokia 9?

Any news on the (alleged) real Nokia iPhone, Galaxy killer, the Nokia 9?

I had read rumours that the Nokia 9 was going to be announced at the same time as the Nokia 8.

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