back to article Huawei Honor 8 Pro: Makes iPhone 7 Plus look a bit crap

Towards the end of his long career as an expert summariser on Test Match Special, Fred Trueman would declare: "I just don't know what's going on out there," and light his pipe. Just what you want to hear from an "expert summariser". But sometimes I sympathise. Like when a company suddenly makes lots of phones that compete with …

      1. werdsmith Silver badge

        Re: And still shovelling Android

        I agree. I've tried several times (each time a major new silly-named version comes out) to get along with Android phones but usually find I have a great phone spoiled by crap, abysmal, abominable OS.

        I really don't like iPhones either, but I can at least tolerate them.

        I keep hoping for a good new phone OS to appear and not get strangled at birth by crass anti-competitive giants.

        1. Adam JC

          Re: And still shovelling Android

          Android? Strangled? You do realise you can install anything you like on it, in APK format... Try doing that on an iPhone! :-/

          1. werdsmith Silver badge

            Re: And still shovelling Android

            Strangled, as in a new OS coming to market but having no chance of getting market share.

            As for installing anything I like on an iPhone. Yep, done that. A couple of useful apps, no malware.

            On the other hand, strangling is what I've wanted to do to the Android shyte that I've owned.

            1. Anonymous Coward
              Anonymous Coward

              Re: And still shovelling Android

              Urgh, okay - I work for an MSP and something I use almost DAILY is a WiFi channel analyser.

              Can you point me to a WiFi channel analyser/WiFi scanning app available on the Apple App store? It's not like I'm trying to watch filth or gambling, just a plain ole WiFi scanning app to see WiFi channel utilisation.

              Because Apple decided WiFi scanning apps were banned, I'm afraid you can't use them. It's fecking ludicrous that such basic app's aren't allowed into the App Store, one of the many reasons I wouldn't touch them with a 10ft barge pole.

            2. Adam JC

              Re: And still shovelling Android

              (Quoting theverge.com here as of 16th Feb):

              "Of the 432 million smartphones sold in the last quarter, 352 million ran Android (81.7 percent) and 77 million ran iOS (17.9 percent)"

              Even if they don't ALL run the latest and greatest Android, I'd say that's still an absolute landslide in comparison.

    1. James Hughes 1

      Re: And still shovelling Android

      Moronic comment from someone with more money than sense. For $5k a month I'd use Android, naked (Certain limitations apply, like walking outside primary schools)

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: And still shovelling Android

      @Alexander - "iOS is why I buy Apple, not the hardware"

      Then you should send a check to those nice people at the FreeBSD Foundation and thank them for writing the free code that runs your devices. Certainly Apple won't.

    3. Roo
      Windows

      Re: And still shovelling Android

      "if you offered me 5k Euros a month to use Android, I would say no."

      Is that because someone pays you >5K + an iPhone to post tosh like that on the web ? :)

    4. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: And still shovelling Android

      I find it oddly amusing that the post received 10 up-votes and 90 down-votes. Roughly 10% of El Reg Commentard population appears to be blind apple followers and would turn down 5k a month to avoid purchasing an alternative product.

      Stuff all the other adverts you have running El Reg, there's gold to be made here from these people, start flinging them apple branded gold plated pencil adverts!

      ....It's also quite a scary mindset....

  1. Dan 55 Silver badge
    Holmes

    How long are they going to keep it updated for?

    Any advance on two years?

    1. bengoey49

      Re: How long are they going to keep it updated for?

      See my reply post above regarding update of Honor 7 and comparing it with updates of Sony Xperia Compact and Blackberry Detek60.

  2. Sp0ck

    I've a Honor 7 which came out in July 2015 and I got an OTA update to it this weekend, I've a feeling that well be be its last though. I am truly impressed with this phone, I paid a smidge under £200 and it has been bloomin' marvellous. I'm not one for updating my phones all the time so am happy with this one for now. I would certainly buy another Huawei device based on my experience with this H7.

    1. 's water music Silver badge

      OTOH my Huawei Ascend G7 (similar age and price) did have an OTA upgrade after about 9 months but it didn't uplift it from Kit-kat and nor have several announcements from the big H that such an update was coming soon ever been delivered.

  3. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Blah Blah

    But it's not an iPhone. This is mediocre technology. Apple will always be king.

    ,...................Just kidding.

  4. DrXym Silver badge

    EMUI

    The hardware could be wonderful but while EMUI is a thing I will steer well clear of Huawei phones. Once bitten twice shy.

    1. IsJustabloke Silver badge
      Megaphone

      Re: EMUI

      "while EMUI is a thing I will steer well clear of Huawei phones"

      It was updated to v5 shortly after I got my phone and I have to say that I like it a lot. It's quick, clean and intuitive. It was the one thing I was worried about when selecting a new phone but I'm very happy with it.

    2. Chris Wilson

      Re: EMUI

      You couldn't figure out how to install a different launcher, if you didn't like it? It's not hard!

      1. DrXym Silver badge

        Re: EMUI

        I know how to install a different launcher. It doesn't mean I want a shit, superfluous launcher sitting in the firmware eating up space, one whose very existence means it takes Huawei longer to roll out firmware updates because of all the additional testing required. And even if I dump the launcher it doesn't make all the changes to settings, or all the other junk running in the device go away.

        EMUI 5 might have undergone an exercise in turd polishing, but the proper solution would have been to dump it completely.

  5. Andy 97

    If only Android wasn't Google...

  6. skeenan

    Mmmm a piece of crap is a bit harsh

    I've recently gone back to using my iPhone 7 plus 256gb, I really tried Android, but to be honest the quality of the OS and the fricken apps is terrible.

    Never syncs with my car properly, stops playing music randomly. Has very variable battery life and bluetooth LE for some reason sucks donkey nuts.

    That was on both an Honor 8 and a Samsung S7 (which died in the end from some unknown h/w issue). Muddle into that I dont trust Android phones at all, even the app store gives me the heebs.

    1. Charlie Clark Silver badge
      Thumb Down

      Re: Mmmm a piece of crap is a bit harsh

      In my experience of MacOS, Apple deliberately sabotages the Bluetooth stack because it prefers proprietary formats for which it can charge a licence. ITunes will always crap out on Bluetooth after a couple of hours whereas my S5 will happily stream all day and all night.

      FWIW I've been using Bluetooth devices since my Ericsson r520

    2. IsJustabloke Silver badge
      Stop

      Re: Mmmm a piece of crap is a bit harsh

      And yet my honor 8 . never fails to sync up with my car, always plays the music I want it to for as long I want it to. The apps I use are all pretty good premium apps that I actually paid money for. I don't have to charge it every single night if I don't want to. I've found the bluetooth LE to be considerably more reliable than my old sony, so horse for course and all that.

      Just as an aside why did you feel the need to *exactly* detail the model of your iPhone?

      1. Charlie Clark Silver badge
        Joke

        Re: Mmmm a piece of crap is a bit harsh

        Just as an aside why did you feel the need to *exactly* detail the model of your iPhone?

        Big phone, small …? ;-)

  7. GingerOne

    I did take a look at this but went instead for the cheaper (under £400) BQ Aquaris X Pro (pre-order, coming in June). As an upgrade to my Nexus 5X the BQ seems to fit the bill - and wallet - perfectly. Hoping to see a review soon... :)

  8. FlossyThePig

    The unit is capable of 4K video, saved at 30fps

    What is the point if most users record in vertical (moron) mode.

    Perhaps if vertical videos were actually captured as horizontal 1080p we wouldn't have to suffer the double video shown on news broadcasts.

    1. Chika
      Happy

      What is the point if most users record in vertical (moron) mode.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bt9zSfinwFA

    2. MrXavia

      I think that would be a bloody brilliant idea!

      Its easier to hold a phone portrait to take video, and you focus on your main subject, but recording extra 'sides' would be great!, even better would be if the video format captured it all by default, but on playback the player could alter the ratio ;-)

  9. Alex Walsh

    Not convinced about Huawei/Honor updates. I'm still waiting for the Nougat update for my P9. Bearing in mind I got it at the press launch, which was in advance of availability at retail, I'm not very impressed with it.

    1. bengoey49

      My Honor 7 is still on Android 6 / Marshmellow and EMUI 4 .

  10. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Missing the point

    I've said this before, and I'll say it again...

    Apple could bring out a phone that cost 2 grand, was technologically inferior to this - and it would still be more successful in terms of sales, and the perception people have of how good it is.

    Why is this? Because it's based on PERCEPTION: How good (or bad) the technology is, is absolutely irrelevant to most people (in the big wide world, beyond The Reg).

    So saying it makes an iPhone 7 look "a bit crap" is absolutely meaningless, as it won't even make a dint in Apples sales figures, which at the end of the day, is all they really give a shit about.

    As an analogy - there is a PERCEPTION about Linux that it's for geeks only and it certainly isn't seen as "cool". There's no person Joe Public can name behind it, who they care about. So when people say all this stuff about wondering why it didn't quite get the market share and recognition they deserve...the answer is right in front of you. How you market stuff, the people behind it, leads to the perception - and that's ultimately all the success and how "good" something is seen in the big wide world comes down to.

    1. Charlie Clark Silver badge

      Re: Missing the point

      Apple works very hard to maintain the impression of a technological leader and never fails to make such points at product launches. But it works even harder to create the impression of hiding all that wonderful but complicated technology from us frightened users. But to stay successful it must continue to invest in technology.

    2. werdsmith Silver badge

      Why is this?

      Because an iPhone doesn't run Android and there is no other choice.

  11. Tomislav

    Only the imminent OnePlus flagship is likely to give it any competition?

    Imminent here means last years' 3T model? Since that model had 6GB of RAM and 128GB of flash at a lower price point I can only see Huawei trying to catch up...

    1. lybad

      Re: Only the imminent OnePlus flagship is likely to give it any competition?

      No - the imminent flagship is supposedly called the OnePlus 5, according to the various "leaked" photo stories currently doing the rounds.

      1. Tomislav

        Re: Only the imminent OnePlus flagship is likely to give it any competition?

        I was being sarcastic. This Huawei model has just about matched the performance of the old 3T model (apart from the higher resolution screen and a bit stronger battery).

        1. Gordon861

          Re: Only the imminent OnePlus flagship is likely to give it any competition?

          The only problem with the Oneplus5 is the leaked price is $650 (£500), and that's probably going to need tax added on top. I really hope this turns out to be wrong.

  12. John Goodwin 4

    Incorrect spelling of honour, so they've lost a pedantic customer.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Coat

      The spelling of "WhoAreWe" is also incorrect.

    2. dajames Silver badge

      Incorrect spelling of honour, so they've lost a pedantic customer.

      Oh, I thought it was named in honour of Honor Blackman!

    3. To Mars in Man Bras!

      >>Incorrect spelling of honour, so they've lost a pedantic customer.

      Two pedantic customers

  13. wurdsmiff

    Any word on the type of internal storage?

    Given the brouhaha around the P10 internal storage lottery, is there any explicit mention of what type of flash memory is used in the Honor 8 Pro?

    There were a lot of complaints about the use of slower eMMC flash storage, rather than the fast UFS 2.0 in the P10 due to availability issues. If the H8Pro uses UFS2 that could make it an even more attractive prospect.

    If I didn't have midget hands it would likely be on my upgrade wish list. Still might be actually.

  14. Anonymous Coward
    Meh

    Not sure why people moan about Androids interface...

    ...just change it.

    Mines set to Square Home 2 + an icon pack, gives it a lovely Windows phone look and feel.Granted the Live tile copy isn't as good, but it'll do.

    1. I ain't Spartacus Gold badge

      Re: Not sure why people moan about Androids interface...

      Who can be arsed to change it? How many different launchers would you have to try before finding the one that's stable and decently useable? How long would you waste? I can remember wasting an hour on the Android store just to get an app that actually worked to copy texts from one phone to another (the first three didn't actually work as advertised) - and I just can't be arsed.

      For me at least, a phone is a very important tool for both work and personal life. And so I want one that works properly out of the box, doesn't need hours of tinkering, and in an ideal world can be set up and fully operational in an hour or two.

      Other peoples' mileage may vary of course.

      1. Neill Mitchell

        Re: Not sure why people moan about Androids interface...

        Just install Action Launcher and enjoy.

  15. isogen74

    > The headline feature is the battery life. For the second time this year I’ve found myself trying to think of new ways to exhaust a phone, and been stumped.

    For the most part use the wifi and 4G data connections and watch the battery vanish. Modern phones and display panels are marvelous things and increasingly well optimized, but the physics of shoving a high frequency signal at an aerial some distance from the device is always pretty punishing.

    1. IsJustabloke Silver badge
      Facepalm

      Yes... it does vanish...

      "For the most part use the wifi and 4G data connections and watch the battery vanish."

      Cunningly both my sony and my Honor make it vanish very slowly over the course of a couple of days.

      Damn that vanishing battery power!!!!

      1. werdsmith Silver badge

        Re: Yes... it does vanish...

        I was a bit confused by the author of the article talking about getting 2 days of light to medium us as if it's something special. I would have said normal, the least I would expect.

  16. YARR
    Boffin

    "Octocore"

    Does this or any other "octocore" phone actually use 8 cores simultaneously, or are they all of the big.little kind (switching between 4 high performance + 4 low power cores)?

    Also why is 6G the favoured amount of RAM, rather than a regular 4G or even 8G? I'm guessing that 99% of apps out there will run just fine on a phone with only 2 cores and 1-2G memory. Apple have managed with only 1G on their retina display devices so that can't be the reason.

    1. wurdsmiff

      Re: "Octocore"

      Do Apple devices do full multitasking now? Of not, that would explain the difference in RAM required.

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: "Octocore"

      The more modern big.little implementations can use all 8 cores simultaneously; the core swapping model only seemed to be implemented in the first couple generations of devices.

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