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The internet is buzzing with claims about the role of data and use of algorithms by politicians to swing votes. Whether data played so important a part in campaigns from 2015 General Election to the EU referendum and how far data will shape the outcome of the upcoming snap General Election is interesting, but – ultimately – …

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    1. werdsmith Silver badge

      Re: All your data belong to us

      The conservatives aren't the only one using big data.

      I helped architect such a system for one of the oppositions parties a few years before brexit and had many a meeting at their party HQ.

      The boss of our company was a dyed in the wool tory but he was happy to work for the opposition and take the money because he was a tory.

  1. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    If something is free, YOU are the product being sold

    Facebook. Google.

    Data gathering whores, selling you for profit.

  2. Tony S

    Confession time

    I was asked to act as a "teller" outside of the local polling station for the council elections. It wasn't too bad; a nice day, some interesting people, very light work. All I had to do was ask people for their polling number, write it down, and then direct them to the correct door. (That polling station covered several wards)

    Some people were a bit obnoxious; OK, if you don' want to tell me your number, not a problem. I wasn't asking how they voted, and TBH I couldn't care. I just recorded it as a null so that we still had an understanding of the number voting.

    Part of the reason for this is to act as a check; the numbers were shared between the parties, and as long as those numbers more or less equated to the turnout, they were happy. If the number of votes cast was much higher than the number of people passing through the door however....

    The parties also use the details to check who of their likely supporters has voted or not. They generally check those details and start calling around later in the day. I actually gave some thought to streamlining the process, and considered that a small mobile device with voice recognition software might actually allow the data to be entered more efficiently and accurately, plus it could be really up to date.

    On top of that, I can see some interesting possibilities for the data analysis; combining it with electoral register and various other information, and you might be able to see what time people vote, try and see if there are relationships to social factors etc. I was getting quite excited by the possibilities.

    Unfortunately, it is far more likely that people would be worried about this data being misused (and with some justification). I suspect that this is what might hold back many other ideas; and again, I can see why sometimes these ideas are great on paper, but dangerous if in the wrong hands.

    1. Adam 52 Silver badge

      Re: Confession time

      The teller outside my polling station this time round asked for my address, and told me if I didn't give it they be round later to rouse me. I don't like being threatend into giving up personal data. The returning officer took a dim view too.

      1. David Nash Silver badge

        Re: Confession time

        How could they "be round later" if you didn't give your address?

        1. Jane Fae

          Re: Confession time

          They'll be round later BECAUSE you didn't give your address. Assuming they canvassed you previously.

          The way polling day organisation works is:

          - pre-polling day, canvas obtains indication of likelihood to vote

          - these returns are fed into central database

          - on polling day itself, tellers at polling stations collect data as to who has voted and this is also added to database

          - after about 3pm, "knockers up" head out to start prompting those who have indicated some positive preference and who do not appear yet to have voted

          - process repeats with increasing regularity as close of poll approaches

          Therefore if you have given any indication you MIGHT vote for a party, chances are you'll get a visit from the knockers up....and if you refuse to tell tellers to take you off the list, you'll keep being knocked up during the day.

          Basically: there's nothing sinister to it. It's part of the regular process of parties mobilising support.

          It gets messed up when people tell every canvasser they are going to vote for them and/or refuse to give out enough details to get their name removed from the knocking up list.

          In the Lambeth by-election, many years back, a story was told of a Tory knocker-up being physically assaulted by one voter. Apparently, on polling day, the Tory was the eightth person to call at the voters house and ask if they had voted.

          Voter was aggrieved. On t'other side, voter appeared to have told every party he was voting for them and then refused to help the tellers.... go figure.

      2. Jane Fae

        Re: Confession time

        Hardly a threat: simply a statement of fact, as i outline in the post below, responding to the response to your post.

        Sure, you are under no obligation to give out the data, but it doesn't harm you and it does mean, if you are on anyone's canvas lists, you are lsss likely to be disturbed later.

  3. Tom Paine

    The Data Protection Act clearly requires processing of data to take place in countries and using data processors that comply with EU Data Protection principles. For obvious reasons, many US companies do not meet these requirements.

    Wrong. Privacy Shield is still, legally, in force. God knows why. but it is.

    http://ec.europa.eu/justice/data-protection/international-transfers/eu-us-privacy-shield/index_en.htm

    That's enough to cover data transfer, storage and processing in the US. Otherwise every US-based site that collects any PII and doesn't have an EU-based DC to handle all EU customers' data would be breaking the law.

    1. Jane Fae

      Correct. My understanding, though, is that the principle of the privacy shield is itself allowed for within the DPA, so i tend to think of it as being in compliance with same.

      But you have a point.

  4. Adam 52 Silver badge

    GDPR Consent

    Reading this article one might easily come away with the wrong impression about GDPR Consent. Consent is just one of six possible lawful reasons. The others are necessity to fulfill a contract, compliance, in someone's vital interest, in the public interest and necessary for the legitimate interests of the data controller.

    Expect the political parties (and Microsoft, Google and Facebook) to be making much use of the last two. Want to challenge it - do you have better paid lawyers than Google?

    1. Jane Fae

      Re: GDPR Consent

      Correct. But GDPR is quite hot on making consent into more of a thing than it is at present....while "necessary for the legitimate interests of the data controller" is fairly specific (and GDOR notes make clear that just claiming this ground will not be enough).

  5. Version 1.0 Silver badge

    Give it up

    The way things are going there every chance that the Tories will win this election and that by the time you are all ready for the next election, Facebook will be handling it.

    It's Election Day - please log into Facebook and cast your vote ...

    This is the way the world ends, not with a bang but with a whimper

  6. Gio Ciampa

    re: "use of algorithms by politicians to swing votes"

    Surely it's far too late to go after algorithms now...

    ...most of the real work will have been done years ago making sure that the constituency boundaries were drawn up 'just so' to allow the vote to go the way of those drawing the lines...

  7. inmypjs Silver badge

    I guess politicians see Facebook users..

    as a large resource of easily influenced morons - and I guess they are right - ahhh well.

  8. Thesheep

    900 people

    Yes, only a few people could change the result of the election. After the election you can see where they are. Before the election? Much much harder.

    Most of the effort in canvassing isn't about persuading. People are incredibly difficult to persuade. In all my years of canvassing I can't honestly say I got anyone to change their mind. As you indicated it's about differential turnout. Find out who your supporters are and get the buggers to vote. That is why people sit on polling stations, and collect the data.

    If you're worried about the influence of Facebook or big data on that then there is an incredibly easy solution. Make voting compulsory.

    1. Old Tom

      Re: 900 people

      "Make voting compulsory."

      But then people who are not interested and don't think about the issues at all have to vote. They are more likely than anybody to vote on the basis of some made up statistic or quote that their friends on Facebook passed around that morning.

  9. PickledAardvark

    Shuttleworth pads

    Shuttleworths appear to have been named after the printing firm which sold them to the Liberal party. They have also been known as Mikardo pads (the election team in Reading for Labour MP Ian Mikardo may have invented their use). Tories called them Reading pads.

    The early forms using carbon paper could have been run off by any printer with a pen ruling machine for making ledgers. Printing and gluing ncr forms was a trickier job so parties commissioned big batches centrally.

    A pen ruling machine in action:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmhqqRzzPgM

  10. SkippyBing

    'The LibDems might discover that a certain voter may be persuaded sooner by Vince Cable than by Tim Farron.'

    Although 'neither' would seem to be the more likely option.

  11. JimC

    Data Gathering...

    Every elector in my house recently received an individually addressed "survey" from one of the political parties recently at our house which superficially was asking for opinions on local issues. Name filled in so you would have to delete it if you anted to stay anonymous. In very small print in odd part of document was an authorisation for full reuse of all info in data processing etc which you had to check to *disallow*. And just in case you were tempted to anonymise yourself in even smaller print in an obscure corner was a number which turned out, by checking with the other copies, to be a unique identifier.

    And they wonder why so few of us trust any of them any further than we can throw them!

    1. tiggity Silver badge

      Re: Data Gathering...

      No anonymity in elections at all, your vote in polling station can be traced back to you easily enough (look at number on voting slip & counterfoil)

      Supposedly this does not happen... (meant to be in place for exceptional cases such as vote rigging, though postal / proxies seem to be the favourite method there)

  12. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    How to clean up British politics

    Install uBlock Origin or Adblock in your browser and avoid the Today programme and PM on Radio 4.

    Ignorance is bliss.

  13. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Unfortunately, thanks to the masses

    The future is Borg.

    Literally.

  14. strum

    >After all, if this data science is really so flimsy, how come banks and supermarkets and mobile phone companies have invested so much in it over the years?

    To misquote Lord Leverhulme, "half of my data science is wasted - but I don't know which half."

  15. Tom Paine

    ...parties can fall back on the DPA as GDPR will grant similar rights to organisations to store an individual’s data but not to process it any further.

    In other words, "none at all", per the Fifith Principle?

    https://ico.org.uk/for-organisations/guide-to-data-protection/principle-5-retention/

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