back to article Farewell Unity, you challenged desktop Linux. Oh well, here's Ubuntu 17.04

The arrival of Ubuntu 17.04 this month was completely overshadowed by Mark Shuttleworth's decision to abandon the Unity desktop for a stock GNOME Shell interface. Before you panic, Unity 7 will continue to be available via the Ubuntu universe repos. From the chatter on forums and blogs around the Ubuntu ecosystem it sounds …

        1. itzman

          Re: Won't install properly

          Anyone running Nvidia really should be using the latest drivers or you are missing out on many performance fixes (vulkan in particular )

          Not true. Performance fixes are not the while story.

          Things like the ability to restore a video session after suspend or hibernate are crucial too, and Nividias own drivers often dont play nice here.

          1. Anonymous Coward
            Anonymous Coward

            Re: Won't install properly

            As per usual when something doesn't work in Linux, it's the users fault for having the wrong gear or not being able to get it to work properly.

            1. Peter Gathercole Silver badge

              Re: Won't install properly @Peter R. 1

              I hope your comment was not aimed at me!

              If it was, I think you've missed out the gist of what I was saying. If you install or buy some bleeding edge or niche hardware for Windows, something that is not in the normal Windows driver repository, the vendor provides this thing, normally a shiny silver disk or a link to a web site, that adds the support for that device to Windows.

              Without it, you would have as much trouble running that hardware on Windows as many people experience on Linux. As an exercise, try installing Windows on one of these problem systems just from Microsoft media, and see how much stuff doesn't work without the mobo and other driver disks from people other than Microsoft. It's an education.

              The problem hardware vendors do not provide their own drivers for Linux, and this is the biggest problem for niche hardware. You cannot expect anybody else in the Linux community to reverse-engineer hardware drivers for this type of device. If it's important, do it yourself, and contribute it back into the community!

              Do not expect someone like RedHat or Canonical to provide drivers for Linux when Microsoft do not do it for Windows (remember, even drivers in the Windows repository are often provided by the vendor, not Microsoft themselves). It really is the vendors responsibility to ensure that their hardware is supported, not the OS community.

              It is a wonder that as much works as it does with just the base Linux install media. A testament to all the hard work that has been done, often by volunteers or philanthropic companies.

              What I find more cynical is those vendors who provide Mac OS drivers which would differ comparatively little from the Linux ones, but don't actually bother with that last step of packaging and testing for Linux.

  1. Cab
    Meh

    Fedora ?

    Didn't understand the comparison with Fedora, surely if Ubuntu is moving to GNOME it's going to end up looking more like Debian (as Jessie is GNOME by default) given that's what is is underneath ?

    1. wolfetone Silver badge

      Re: Fedora ?

      I think the comparison was along the lines of it looking like Fedora, rather than acting like Fedora.

      Plus the version of GNOME that gets shipped with Fedora will be more akin to the one Ubuntu gets, as the version Debian uses by default tends to be several versions older. That said, there isn't that much of a graphical change to GNOME between Debian's version and Fedora's. I'm not sure there is a difference to be honest.

    2. Ramazan

      Re: Fedora ?

      "surely if Ubuntu is moving to GNOME it's going to end up looking more like Debian"

      I had the same question. Surely theregister journalists either don't know there is a distro named Debian which Ubuntu is based on, or don't know that GNOME is the default desktop on Debian...

  2. mrmond

    How times change..

    Mark Shuttleworth, Aprile 29th 2011:

    "We put user’s first because we committed to test and iterate Unity’s design with real users, and evolve it based on those findings. We’ve documented the process we’re following in that regard, so that other free software projects can decide for themselves if they also want to bring professional design into their process. I very much hope that this will become standard practice across all of free software, because in my view the future of free software is no longer just about inner beauty (architecture, performance, efficiency) it’s also about usability and style."

    And most people hated it but no, he was determined it was here to stay.

    And now we go back to Gnome

    1. Dave 126 Silver badge

      Re: How times change..

      Unity didn't work. However he had a point in general about usability and UI design - these things are important if one wants to attract the uninitiated. It is hard to get right, time consuming and expensive too if you want to test a UI amongst a large range of users. That said, it can also be about some simple things, such as giving applications names that reflect their function. Windows' Text Edit, Paint and Explorer might be shit, but at least a novice might guess what they do. This is important - if they are learning, why fill their heads with arbitrary names? Imagine learning to drive if the instructor insisted the steering wheel was called Antelope and the accelerator ColdDerek - it would just be useless aribitary stuff to remember, on top of the actual important stuff such as speed limits and clutch control.

      InkScape is a reasonable name; The GIMP is not a useful name.

      1. badger31

        Re: How times change..

        The Gnu Image Manipulation Program tells you exactly what the program is and does, unlike InkScape. It's a bit of a mouthful, though, so gets the (official?) acronym 'Gimp'.

        I think the problem is there's only so many descriptive names you can have for a file browser, text editor, photo editor, etc., so a lot of names tend to be jokes or puns which get worse as they are forked. Examples: Hudson -> Jenkins, Mustache -> Handlebars, JavaScript -> CoffeeScript

        1. Dave 126 Silver badge

          Re: How times change..

          "What's that Photoshoppy thing, called, the one I can use to edit pictures?"

          The GIMP.

          "Come again?”

          The GIMP, The GNU Image Manipulation Program

          "What's GNU mean?"

          It stands for GNU's Not Unix.

          "Eh? But what..."

          It's a recursive name, see. The GNU in GNU'S Not Unix stands for GNU in...

          "You know what, don't bother. I'll just print it out, cut it out with scissors and scan it back in."

          * * *

          If the menu item just says GIMP, then no, it doesn't say what it is. InkScape isn't the best name, but at least gives a clue (the convention for more than thirty years across platforms is that pens and ink metaphors are for vector graphics, and brushes and paints are for bitmap graphics)

          I do take your point that in a community where projects are forked and improved upon and there is no 'default' text editor, so each text editor needs its own name. It's just not ideal for all users though.

          1. jake Silver badge

            Re: How times change..

            Dave 126 scrive: "It's just not ideal for all users though."

            That, my friend, is reality. Because NOTHING, that's NOTHING! made by mankind is "ideal for all users".

            And that's precisely where Redmond, Cupertino and London are going wrong ... They are trying to be all things to all people. The result, as we can see, is nothing short of a clusterfuck. It's also why I don't use or recommend Redmond, Cupertino or London products. KitchenSinkWare wastes disk, burns CPU, eats bandwidth and frustrates the user.

          2. Anonymous Coward
            Anonymous Coward

            Re: How times change..

            In Mint 18.1 KDE, GIMP is shown in the application menu as "GIMP Image Editor"

            Seems quite clear to me, unless you are specifically looking for an application to edit your collection of gimp images, for that you will need GIMP Image Edi ... oh I see now.

            1. Vic

              Re: How times change..

              In Mint 18.1 KDE, GIMP is shown in the application menu as "GIMP Image Editor"

              On Centos7, it's "GNU Image Manipulation Program".

              Vic.

      2. Orv Silver badge

        Re: How times change..

        Open source developers are terrible at naming things -- they try to be overly cute and often fail. GIMP has grown into a great program, but I'm still a little embarrassed every time I mention it to someone, thanks to the BDSM implication.

        Command-line utilities are sometimes worse. I eventually aliased "dcfldd" to just "dd" because it was usually the one I wanted and I could never remember what order all the letters came in. I'm also always mixing up systemctl with sysctl...

        1. frank ly

          Re: How times change..

          It's Foss so fork it, strip out the Gimp branding and artwork, put your own in and have your own application to impress your friends with. You could call it Paint Imagination My Program or something.

    2. Ramazan
      Trollface

      Re: How times change..

      "And now we go back to Gnome"

      Go back to GNOME, they said. It will be fun, they said.

    3. dajames

      Re: How times change..

      And now we go back to Gnome

      As Winston Churchill said: I'd rather be right than consistent.

  3. Conrad Longmore
    Meh

    Good riddance, but..

    I always hated Unity, but then I don't use Ubutnu on a daily basis and never "got it" I suppose. GNOME of course was always very simple and easy to get to grips with. And then GNOME 3 came along and it was right back to WTF? again..

    1. Neil Barnes Silver badge

      Re: Good riddance, but..

      Quite. Gnome 2 had it right; Unity and Gnome 3 didn't (for me; your mileage may vary and that's why we like Linux!) which is why I moved to Mint. With all the effects turned off.

      1. Peter Gathercole Silver badge

        Re: Good riddance, but..

        GNOME flashback (or failback, whatever they want to call it) works for me. GNOME 2 look and feel delivered on top of GNOME 3. It's not identical (plugins have to be re-written, for example), but it's close enough.

        I chose that on Ubuntu rather than switching to Mint.

  4. yossarianuk

    Petition to make Plasma (KDE) the default DE

    https://www.change.org/p/canonical-ltd-make-kde-plasma-the-default-desktop-for-ubuntu-18-04-instead-of-gnome-shell

    I'm sure it won't lead to anything, I really wish it would.

    Plasma is a far better desktop than Gnome, for power users and newbies.

    I cannot imagine a newbie coping with Gnome, for one in order to use the mutant tablet/desktop you have to 'adjust your workflow', the lack of such luxuries as a taskbar and minimise button will not go down well (you have to use memory to remember which windows you have open rather than a visual aid).

    Also most KDE applications are far better, take Dolphin for example (the file manager).

    Personally I would advise everyone to use kde-neon which is Ubuntu LTS based but has latest stable KDE/QT

    1. Craigness

      "Visual aid"

      To see your running apps, press the Windows button. In Android you do it by tapping the Home button, in IOS you do it by tapping the physical button. This is standard contemporary workflow.

      There's a preinstalled extension that gives you a taskbar. I tried it for a while and then turned it off, because the new way is actually better.

    2. Avatar of They
      WTF?

      Re: Petition to make Plasma (KDE) the default DE

      Sorry what?

      "the lack of such luxuries as a taskbar and minimise button will not go down well (you have to use memory to remember which windows you have open rather than a visual aid)."

      I hated Unity as it didn't have scroll bar and there was no real clear visualisation to how many windows you had open, just silly little ticks. And Gnome doesn't even have that?

      sure Ubuntu have someone that works in the real world???????????

    3. simonb_london

      Re: Petition to make Plasma (KDE) the default DE

      Signed the petition. If only Trolltech open sourced QT just a couple of years earlier.... sigh.

    4. Ceiling Cat
      Pint

      Re: Petition to make Plasma (KDE) the default DE

      There's already an Ubuntu-based distribution which does this - it's called Kubuntu. In fact, with the exception of my Raspberry Pi it's the distro I use on all my PCs.

      Https://www.kubuntu.org

  5. Mage Silver badge

    what about the users who love Unity?

    They could buy a phone able to use a mouse, keyboard and HDMI HD screen. My ancient Sony Ericsson Z1 connects to those and gives an experience like Unity.

    I used to use Gnome, but when it went "koolaid"/Mozilla/"Worst OS X/Vista features" I switched to Mate. I also have KDE installed, so if I break the desktop it's easily fixed.

    That's what's great about Linux for a laptop, no arrogant GUI lock-in to stupid corporate / web designer fashion.

    Unity was always a doomed idea, like Windows 8.

  6. ro55mo

    I have tried to use Gnome

    I just can't deal with it. It is the Windows 8 interface of the Linux world to me.

    1. bombastic bob Silver badge
      Devil

      Re: I have tried to use Gnome

      apt-get install mate-desktop. re-log in, choose Mate as your desktop. Enjoy!

  7. Kepler 452b

    5 people who still care about Ubuntu:

    1. Mark Shuttleworth

    2.

    3.

    4.

    5.

    1. yossarianuk

      2. Mint users

      3. kde-neon users

      4. Xubuntu users

      5. ElementaryOS users

      Etc....

      1. wolfetone Silver badge

        "5. ElementaryOS users"

        They don't count.

  8. mykingdomforanos

    Lost: One brown and orange mojo

    I still can't quite get over the speed of Ubuntu's fall from grace. One moment the distro was the darling of all things Linux desktop and could do little wrong, the next it was being derided in many circles, with users signalling their displeasure in the harshest way possible, by jumping ship to the likes of Mint, Fedora, Arch and (irony of ironies) Debian.

    The distro had become the dominant Linux desktop by some distance when Unity was released. It was a stunning change, fresh and innovative in many ways, but for many brought too many unhelpful and unwanted changes. It came with a new focus on convergence with mobile and an overbearing attitude, both of which clearly rubbed many users up the wrong way. For example, the position of the in-your-face launcher bar couldn't be changed (it was a Linux desktop FFS, not Apple), settings in dialog boxes became so simplified that some became downright unusable (IIRC the available screen lock periods jumped from "After 10 minutes of inactivity" to "After 30"). There were many other small, but often irritating changes that all added up to a frustrating experience and often caused one to attempt to route around the dumbed-down UI completely by going directly to config files, something that rather undermined the very case for having a graphical desktop.

    Mark Shuttleworth got exasperated on his blog and rounded on the Unity critics, telling them that the project's research had demonstrated that their designers were right and that the critics were wrong. Informing upset users that their preferences and feelings are objectively incorrect, and that they should just get over their issues, is always a high risk strategy. Predictably, for many users that strategy went down about as well as a fart in a spacesuit and from that point on you could hear the sound of the feet of the disillusioned, exiting the auditorium.

    Then came the fiasco with sending search queries to Amazon. Privacy has always been a first class, non-negotiable concern for, well, pretty much every Linux desktop user I'd ever met. At this stage I concluded that those overseeing the development of Ubuntu had rather lost the plot. The "but you can disable it in the UI" arguments failed to wash; a cardinal rule had been broken, a red line crossed. This particular development made me realise, if I hadn't before, that Ubuntu's developers had broken with traditional Linux culture and were off down a path of their own. I wished them luck, remained excited and intrigued with many of the project's goals, but wasn't prepared to compromise my desktop to stay on board.

    1. Ramazan

      Re: Lost: One brown and orange mojo

      "users signalling their displeasure in the harshest way possible, by jumping ship to the likes ... (irony of ironies) Debian."

      What's wrong with Debian in your opinion?

      "Then came the fiasco with sending search queries to Amazon. ... a red line crossed"

      I do search queries from Firefox browser where I set up Bing as the default search engine... Do you say that in Ubuntu people run queries from Ubuntu UI/desktop/taskbar/elsewhere? And search engine choice isn't configurable?

      1. mykingdomforanos

        Re: Lost: One brown and orange mojo

        Ramazan wrote:

        "What's wrong with Debian in your opinion?"

        Nothing at all, in my opinion. I currently have Debian running on three servers, two on the public Internet, and one acting as a file server on my internal network. If you understood the origins and history of Ubuntu, you'd understand my use of 'irony of ironies'. Hint: I wasn't disrespecting Debian.

        "I do search queries from Firefox browser where I set up Bing as the default search engine... Do you say that in Ubuntu people run queries from Ubuntu UI/desktop/taskbar/elsewhere? And search engine choice isn't configurable?"

        Look, no offence, but I think you need to do a bit of research into the issue at hand, gain some understanding, before attempting to debate the matter.

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      2. Wayland

        Re: Lost: One brown and orange mojo

        Ramazan you miss the point. Ubuntu is sending your local searches to Amazon. You don't want people seeing what you are doing on your computer. It's different to what you chose to do on the Internet. This is the principle. If you do want to share what you do then get Windows 10.

    2. Ian Johnston Silver badge

      Re: Lost: One brown and orange mojo

      The distro had become the dominant Linux desktop by some distance when Unity was released.

      Yup, and Unity blew it. They might as well have called 11.04 "Ubuntu Vista"

  9. Craigness

    Files and sloooooooowwww

    I've not found any functionality missing in the files app, but it would be great if they didn't split the "Menu bar" between a hamburger button on the right of the window and a "Preferences" option in the desktop title bar. Fortunately there is an extension which moves the wayward menu back to almost where it should be.

    Unity HUD: Meh, I always forgot it was there.

    Lenses: never got them working, always opened an app instead.

    Dock: I mostly used Search for apps, but I used the right-click on the Files icon as a substitute for a "Places" menu (Gnome has an extension for this!).

    Waste basket and mounted drives: Unity got these right - always visible in the dock. To see them in Gnome you have to show desktop or open Files (or install some extensions).

    The transition from Unity has been surprisingly easy. For me the main problem is that in the time it takes Gnome to boot, I could boot Unity 7 times.

  10. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    I never really got on with Unity... Running it on an AMD E-450 I always found it slow, although the same is true of the early versions of Gnome 3.

    I have been happily using Xubuntu until Ubuntu GNOME 16.04LTS, at which point Gnome 3 became massively more responsive and much more usable. I have however found that I need certain extensions to make sure Gnome fits in with the way I work. Fortunately, Gnome 3 has a very healthy set of extensions available and I would be very surprised if there weren't extensions to re-create all of Unity's missing functionality.

    So, for me, the swap makes very little difference. However, Unity wasn't all bad. And as eluded to in the article it did push the focus of Linux UI's firmly onto usability and design polish.

  11. Fading

    It's been a long 7 years......

    I loved ubuntu up until 10.04 - and then unity happened. At the time I was dual booting with Vista and whilst had an issue every time I updated my GPU (from an ati 3450 to a 4550, 5550, 6570 and finally 7750 - all low profile to fit in the SFF case) it was only with unity the issue became a Problem. Just couldn't get along with the UI and found myself more and more doing rather basic things via the terminal. In the end I shifted to Mint and that machine is still in service as a HTPC with Mint.

    I might try ubuntu again but only out of curiosity.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Linux

      Re: It's been a long 7 years......

      "I loved ubuntu up until 10.04 - and then unity happened"

      Well then, why not go and change it to a desktop environment of your choice. In fact you can have more than one installed at the same time and select desktop environment at login.

      Install Classic GNOME Flashback in Ubuntu 16.04

  12. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    So what's next?

    I don't think it's a bad decision, but it does strike me as a bit odd. And I can't help wonder how long it will take before Ubuntu is going full speed ahead into Mono based development again. That would basically really set the clock back quite a few years.

  13. Peter X

    Re "Files" speed

    Ubuntu 16.04 running on a Core i5 with nVidia graphics vs. Raspberry Pi 3 with Raspbian/Pixel: I find the file manager on the Pi (PCmanFM) to be much snappier than Files on the Core i5.

    I appreciate that there's less thumbnailing enabled by default on Raspbian, but even so, I struggle to understand how Files manages to be sooooooooooo slow!

    As for Ubuntu/Unity, I've stuck with Unity thus far because, it's good enough. I like some Canonical stuff, like all the polish with colours/icons/fonts, but it's always disappointing how many bugs there are... it always feels like Canonical don't dog-food the LTS releases, so they get pushed out but the user has a ton of work to do to make them usable. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

    1. stephanh

      Re: Re "Files" speed

      Raspbian uses LXDE, you can use that too on your Ubuntu box.

      1. Ian Johnston Silver badge

        Re: Re "Files" speed

        Raspbian uses LXDE, you can use that too on your Ubuntu box.

        With remarkable ease, if you use Lubuntu.

  14. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Non-obl Kipling quote

    "No more mines remain

    Send back Unity [Claribel, Assyrian, Stormcock and Golden Gain]"

    So there's the naming scheme for the next 4 unsuccessful desktops on Ubuntu.

  15. Anonymous Coward
    FAIL

    The screenshot in the article says it all for me

    A recipes app? With the OS GUI package? For real?! My head just exploded.

    <old geezer rant alert>

    The I in GUI stands for interface, as in, interface to the operating system that lets me get work done. The whole thing goes off the rails when a simple GUI decides to go all deep-hooks and requires 300M of stuff just to get out of bed (dbus, I'm looking at you, but you're not the only offender). Frankly I miss the days when all you had to do was pick your window manager at login and everything else was take care of for you. I don't want to pick between GNOME's recipes doodad and KDEs or anyone elses. I want to pick a visual theme and have whatever the hell app I want to run fit into that look and feel. Old school UNIX had this back as the late 1980s. Remember picking between NeWS and OpenWindows, and then a decade later between OpenWindows and CDE? It wasn't so hard.

    </old geezer rant alert>

    1. Orv Silver badge

      Re: The screenshot in the article says it all for me

      This reminds me that in my group of friends "you can put your recipes on it" is the routine gag whenever we see some useless-looking new computing device. Because we're all old enough to remember when no one quite knew what to do with microcomputers, and "storing recipes" somehow always ended up on the list.

      1. jake Silver badge

        Re: The screenshot in the article says it all for me

        It's been all recipes all the way down since the year dot ... See: Honeywell's H316 "Kitchen Computer" from 1969 ;-)

        http://valerieaurora.org/kitchen.html

      2. Ian Johnston Silver badge

        Re: The screenshot in the article says it all for me

        Because we're all old enough to remember when no one quite knew what to do with microcomputers, and "storing recipes" somehow always ended up on the list.

        A bit like the way that we are always told the point of smart appliances is to allow the fridge to order milk when you need it.

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