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An Oracle employee and anti-Donald-Trump activist has quit the company over co-CEO Safra Catz's decision to join president-elect Donald Trump's transition team and her expression of Oracle's intention to support his policies. George A. Polisner, who for the last four years has worked in Oracle's managed cloud services team, …

  1. Just Enough

    "These anti-Trump Americans still unable to reconcile with the Election Verdict are sending out a very bad message to other democracies."

    Ha ha ha ha ha ha! You think any democracy on the planet is still looking towards the US electoral process for "a message"? Americans still like to believe that they have a model democracy, when in fact it's a two party duopoly governed by vested interests. Following the utter shambles that was the latest election, and America has absolutely nothing to show other democracies. The US election made a mockery of the word "democracy" long before now.

  2. steve 124

    Supporting? Never. Accepting the democratic process that got them there? Law.

    Even Obama is trying to cast doubt upon the process (the very same process that let him stay in power for 8 horrible, cancerous years).

    Don't like Trump? Say so.

    Don't like the process that allowed we the people to elect him? Move to another country snowflake, this is how democracy works. Stop rioting in our streets, cause come January 20th, that shit will be dealt with by actually enforcing the law (something that really hasn't been happening over the last 8 years) and you definitely aren't going to like that.

  3. John 104

    @Just Enough

    Technically, we here in the U.S. are a republic.

  4. Orv Silver badge

    I will never rally behind someone who has explicitly threatened to take away my human rights and the human rights of people I care about. Sorry. I don't know how they do it in India, but if someone promises to slit my throat I don't come in close for a hug.

  5. Orv Silver badge

    "Don't like the process that allowed we the people to elect him? Move to another country snowflake, this is how democracy works."

    Pfft. Rich from a side that spent eight years trying to portray Obama as an illegitimate president. Trump RAN on the idea that Obama wasn't born in the US and therefore wasn't elected legitimately. Even now, as he's about to leave office, Republicans are still trying to "debunk" his birth certificate. They just can't let go.

  6. HausWolf

    That didn't stop the pubs 8 years ago.

  7. Malignant_Narcissism

    "Why the Americans, who are supposed to be true-blood democrats, unable to accept their own Election Verdict?"

    Because that's the bleeding-heart, bed-wetting liberal way.

  8. Malignant_Narcissism

    "but if someone promises to slit my throat I don't come in close for a hug."

    Curious, were OK when Obama attempted to negotiate with terrorists in his first term?

  9. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    The un-united states of America

    Just the small problem of more than 50% of the electorate voted for Clinton.

    (Yes I understand the college vote). How does one construe this as the will of the people?

    Please explain.

  10. Jason Bloomberg Silver badge

    Don't like the process that allowed we the people to elect him? Move to another country snowflake, this is how democracy works.

    I thought, in a democracy, people were entitled to mould that democracy into the democracy they would like, not eternally stuck with what they had.

    Isn't what you saying more akin to fascism?

  11. Big John Silver badge

    Re: The un-united states of America

    > "Please explain."

    No problem. You say Hillary won the pop vote and is therefore at least morally the winner, right? Wrong, because your argument rests on flawed premises.

    It's known that Hillary's high total comes from just a handful of states with large urban populations. Take away just California and she loses the pop vote too. Trump saw that he wasn't likely to win electorally in CA or NY, so he concentrated on the rest of the country instead. If the contest had been one big poll, Trump would have spent time in those states, not only picking up plenty of votes directly, but also because Republicans there would come out in greater numbers due to their presidential votes actually meaning something, which wasn't true this time.

    So an unknown but substantial number of Trump votes would appear, possibly switching the popular vote. I know you would insist that it's too small a change, but I say it would be plenty big. The point is, you can't show what really would have happened, so your popular vote hobby horse doesn't really exist.

    Sorry, but that's reality. You keep on cuddling that belief tho. I guess it's all you got.

  12. Big John Silver badge
    Go

    "I thought, in a democracy, people were entitled to mould that democracy into the democracy they would like, not eternally stuck with what they had."

    Precisely! Thus we now have President Trump.

  13. Orv Silver badge

    Re: The un-united states of America

    "Take away just California and she loses the pop vote too. "

    Oh, the game where we arbitrarily decide which states' voters don't count as "real Americans" and discard their votes. You know, if we throw away Texas then Trump loses the electoral college.

  14. Orv Silver badge

    "Curious, were OK when Obama attempted to negotiate with terrorists in his first term?"

    No idea what you're talking about. Keep in mind I don't read Breitbart so I'm not up on the latest conspiracies.

  15. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Re: The un-united states of America

    Rubbish. You cannot choose to ignore votes simply to bolster you argument.

    If Trunp was not so dangerous, he'd be a laughing stock. Thankfully, I can sit here in the UK and watch the farce unfold. When he builds his wall, remember to put a lid on it.

  16. Stevie Silver badge

    Bah!

    I'd have thought letting Oracle loose with a bottomless budget (as taxpayer funded budge ts so often are) would be a guarantee of nil results in four years. Adding in the "cloud" part would drive home the last nail in the coffin.

  17. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    oracle have plenty of off-shore staff who wont take issue with ethical/moral implications.

  18. W4YBO

    Behave...

    Ever notice how many of these politically volatile articles have "This post has been deleted by a moderator" in the comments? How badly do you have to behave to have your comment moderated out of elReg?

    Come on, folks. The election's over. Try to get along with each other.

  19. Mystereed
    Trollface

    Is the Register pandering to Trump too?

    That picture at the top seems to have larger hands than average?

  20. allthecoolshortnamesweretaken Silver badge

    Book tip for the upcoming holidays:

    Sinclair Lewis' "It Can't Happen Here", free e-copy here.

    It Can't Happen Here is a semi-satirical political novel by Sinclair Lewis published in 1935. It features newspaperman Doremus Jessup struggling against the fascist regime of President Berzelius "Buzz" Windrip, who resembles Gerald B. Winrod, the Kansas evangelist whose far-right views earned him the nickname "The Jayhawk Nazi". It serves as a warning that political movements akin to Nazism can come to power in countries such as the United States when people blindly support their leaders.

  21. Mycho Silver badge

    This kind of shit happens after every election in the USA. They take it seriously.

  22. steve 124

    aw, what will we do now?

    Guess we'll just have to make Oracle great again without him!

    Good luck to him on his job search (I'm sure this guy has enough money to not worry about it at this point).

    His Linkedin statement mentioned dismantling Social Security... which you would think someone in this position would be smart enough to know can't happen.

    For our blimey friends that may not know, Social Security is not an entitlement, it's a government enforced retirement plan. From your first until your last paycheck, the US Gov takes out money and puts it in your Social Security balance. Therefore, SS can't be dismantled because it's not goverment money, it's citizens money. That single statement made by this guy lets me know he has no clue what's going on and is just following the mass media's negative campaign against the new POTUS.

    So, committing career suicide on Linkedin? I'm for it for anyone who is foolish enough to believe this sort of crap. Another snowflake melts.

  23. ElReg!comments!Pierre

    Re: aw, what will we do now?

    > Therefore, SS can't be dismantled because it's not goverment money, it's citizens money.

    In France it's citizens' money too, but it IS indeed being dismantled, which was made possible by an annexation of its budget to the State budget and the subsequent pilfering to fund, among other things, oversea wars or the current gang's friends' businesses.

  24. Orv Silver badge

    Re: aw, what will we do now?

    "Therefore, SS can't be dismantled because it's not goverment money, it's citizens money."

    Bush's plan to dismantle it was to give that money to Wall Street to "manage". This was shortly before the housing bubble popped, so it pretty much would have ceased to exist after that.

    Also, the idea that it's citizens' money is merely part of the law, and with majorities in both houses Republicans could change that law to send it all to Russia if they wanted to.

  25. HausWolf

    Re: aw, what will we do now?

    Except the speaker of the house and the head of trumps budget team have both expressed a desire to "privatize" social security and that never ends well for the working class.

    Also it hasn't stopped the government from taking the "citizens" money before.

  26. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Re: aw, what will we do now?

    For our blimey friends that may not know, Social Security is not an entitlement, it's a government enforced retirement plan. From your first until your last paycheck, the US Gov takes out money and puts it in your Social Security balance. Therefore, SS can't be dismantled because it's not goverment money, it's citizens money. That single statement made by this guy lets me know he has no clue what's going on and is just following the mass media's negative campaign against the new POTUS.

    If you you think you're educating those hailing from Blighty I have a surprise for you: they're WAY ahead of you in experience. During the Blair years, one Gordon Brown (yes, he of "let's sell off all the gold we have at the worst possible moment", presumably so his mates could snap it up at bargain prices) came up with the brilliant idea of also taxing those very funds that were being built to take care of the future of all those people forced to pay into these large pots of money. Because, you know, it was money, and the future of people wasn't really their priority.

    Put another way, as he was in charge of channelling as much tax money as he could manage to Tony & friends he decided to raid that money too, he just called it "tax".

    The same will happen to you guys now, because you voted in the same sort of hyenas who promise much, deliver nothing and use the occasion to fill their pockets until they come apart at the seams. Yes, you will probably vote for these idiots again because they keep promising. Blair managed this twice, so be glad you have a legal limit of "one more time", unless they change that too. They'll get away with it too: if you see with what little effort Blair & cronies got away with what they did I have no doubt that the US equivalent will have no consequences either. Well, that is for Agent Orange and friends. The consequences for the man in the street may be very dire indeed - but they don't matter. They never do.

    Enjoy your country while you can - 2017 may not be fun.

  27. Mark 85 Silver badge

    Re: aw, what will we do now?

    The problem is that the money taken out of paychecks (and the employer contribution) for SS no longer is in SS control. It's been moved to the general budget for some decades now. So it's not "secure" as such but subject to the whims of Congress on how much SS gets. So far, they haven't failed to pay the full amount each year, but those days may be numbered.

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  29. TomasF

    100 signatures in IBM...

    'Nor is it a case of the technology industry rising up against Trump: the IBM staff petition we reported on yesterday still records “100 signatures reached”.'

    So that's all the remaining US based IBM employees, then? Not bad...

  30. Moosh

    The most surefire way to get downvoted in these echo chamber comment sections is to even entertain the notion that Trump isn't literally Satan and Hitler's lovechild.

    This exec is an uninformed moron.

  31. HausWolf

    trump isn't the exec... yet.

  32. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    entertain the notion that Trump isn't literally Satan and Hitler's lovechild.

    He isn't? Actions speak louder than words IMHO..

  33. Mycho Silver badge

    I must admit, Trump has gone down in my estimation since he became associated with Oracle.

  34. John 104

    Idiot

    What an idiot.

    I'm all for having a political viewpoint. However, letting it get in the way of your professional career, unless you are in the political machine, is immature, idiotic, and very short sighted.

  35. Orv Silver badge

    Re: Idiot

    "I'm all for having a political viewpoint. However, letting it get in the way of your professional career, unless you are in the political machine, is immature, idiotic, and very short sighted."

    Ah, the techie's Nuremberg defense.

  36. PTW

    So, instead of staying at Oracle, where he could have made changes in policy...

    He stormed off like a petulant child, as is the want of the modern day leftist.

  37. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Re: So, instead of staying at Oracle, where he could have made changes in policy...

    Ha, ha, ha, ha, oh you're serious?

    You clearly don't know Oracle, Larry, Safra & Mark set company policy, that's it.

    No one else's opinions/views/anything else matter, if you don't agree with the companies policy/direction you can leave, that's it, seems like he took the only option open to him, joining it publicly is the only unusual part.

  38. Florida1920 Silver badge
    Pint

    Good man!

    This one's for you, George! ------------------------>

  39. John Brown (no body) Silver badge

    LGBTQ

    That's a new one. What's the Q stand for?

    Oh, and a quick heads up to all those mentioning Trump following through. You have no idea how hilarious that is the inner teenager for we Brits.

  40. Mycho Silver badge

    Re: LGBTQ

    Either Queer (reclaimed to mean doesn't easily fit into a category) or Questioning.

  41. mikefrank

    I didn't think I could lose even more respect for her

    But as one of the leaders of the Monsanto of the tech industry... I should have expected it

  42. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Pigs flying?

    Wow, an Oracle executive is complaining about ethics. Pigs must be flying outside today.

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