back to article Your 'intimate personal massager' – cough – is spying on you

DEF CON has a lot of odd talks, but the successful hacking of a vibrator by two researchers from New Zealand drew a big crowd. The two-person team of g0ldfisk and follower got hold of the schematics for the We Vibe 4 Plus, a U-shaped vibrator that can be controlled via Bluetooth using a remote control or a smartphone app. The …

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    1. Roq D. Kasba

      Re: Let your fingers do the walking

      ... Feed the Pony, ...

    2. Anonymous C0ward

      Re: Let your fingers do the walking

      The shocker?

  1. Nick Leaton

    Just watch the adverts on your fit bit account. If it keep's coming up with lube and kleenex, change to the other hand.

  2. EveryTime

    I took a look at the processor listed. It is a bit old. The list price is higher than I would expect. Very few places pay list, but the list price is rough estimate. It's easily possible to buy a much less expensive part.

    There is a fair chance that the device was picked because of the development kit. If so, it's probably almost exactly the example application in the development kit. Including the same packet size, with only the first byte having application-customized meaning.

  3. John Brown (no body) Silver badge
    WTF?

    Maybe I'm being naive (again!)

    But what advantages are there to having a smartphone app controlled, internet connected, data slurping vibrator? Is this aimed at the online porn market? Maybe users and control each others vibrators and "play" together even if across the world?

    1. Prst. V.Jeltz Silver badge

      Re: Maybe I'm being naive (again!)

      its the new way of being "innovative" - take the buttons off something and make a smartphone app instead.

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Maybe I'm being naive (again!)

      "Maybe users and control each others vibrators and "play" together even if across the world?"

      It's the dawn of a new chapter in the human history: Telesex

      1. Suricou Raven

        Re: Maybe I'm being naive (again!)

        Unfortunately the word for this has already been invented: Teledildonics. I'm not making that one up.

        1. Scroticus Canis
          Devil

          @ Suricou Raven - Teledildonics ...

          ... and you know this how?

          1. Swarthy
            Holmes

            Re: @ Suricou Raven - Teledildonics ...

            Because that word has been used several times in El Reg, in both articles and comments.

    3. allthecoolshortnamesweretaken

      Re: Maybe I'm being naive (again!)

      Some 20 years ago, stuff like that was hyped under the the term "cybersex". Biggest change/improvement(?) since then: hardware is wireless.

    4. Huw D

      Re: Maybe I'm being naive (again!)

      "Maybe users and control each others vibrators and "play" together even if across the world?"

      That's exactly what it's for.

      1. I Am Spartacus

        Re: Maybe I'm being naive (again!)

        Gives a whole new meaning to plug and play

      2. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Maybe I'm being naive (again!)

        "Maybe users and control each others vibrators and "play" together even if across the world?"

        Sounds like that could be loosely interpreted as an offence under the Mann Act. Gives teenagers' sexting a whole new slant - "I'll give you a buzz next week".

      3. Huw D

        Re: Maybe I'm being naive (again!)

        Excellent. State what it's for. Get a thumbs down. Is El Reg full of sensitive people these days?

        1. Destroy All Monsters Silver badge
          Trollface

          Re: Maybe I'm being naive (again!)

          > . and you know this how?

          Because Fred Brooks used the word in a lecture in 1994 (I was there!)

          But Manara was there first, comicwise.

    5. gregthecanuck

      Re: Maybe I'm being naive (again!)

      Remember that old AT&T advertisement? "Reach out and touch someone"

      Seems they knew more than they let on at the time.... ;)

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OapWdclVqEY

      http://thephonebooth.com/booths/booth-cards/reach-out.html

    6. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Maybe I'm being naive (again!)

      That's pretty much exactly it, my partner and I have a WeVibe, we use the smartphone app as we live almost a hundred miles apart.

      I don't particularly care that the app snoops on us but I might invest some time in hacking the remote.

  4. Baldy50

    Please tell me the device in question belongs to Tarah Wheeler.

    Of all the revelations coming out of Def con, ATM, vehicle exploits etc, thank you El Reg for finding this one.

    Backed hacker's packed slack crack hacked, penetration testing to follow?

    It's U shaped? Oh I get it, I had to think on that for a minute.

  5. BinkyTheHorse
    Boffin

    Nitpick

    A "Faraday Cage" refers to a very specific type of enclosure (usually a mesh to boot).

    In general, they would have been more correct in just calling the human body an "attenuator".

    Also, achievement unlocked - discussing Faraday Cages w.r.t. bodies on a Monday morning. The week is off to a good start...

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Nitpick

      Think of the body as mostly composed of water and the bluetooth band (2.4GHz) being the same as a microwave oven (2.4GHz)

      1. alferdpacker

        Re: Nitpick

        Hawt!

  6. JeffyPoooh
    Pint

    "...with a dated 2.4ghz BlueTooth chip."

    What's a "ghz"?

    Hint: 'GHz'.

    1. Jason Bloomberg Silver badge

      Re: "...with a dated 2.4ghz BlueTooth chip."

      The same author was using "GhZ" a few days ago ...

      http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/08/05/game_over_security_researchers_darpas_ai_bug_hunters_will_take_your_jobs/

      Is Ian simply working his way through all eight options?

      1. Jason Bloomberg Silver badge

        Re: "...with a dated 2.4ghz BlueTooth chip."

        s/Ian/Iain/ - Apologies for that.

  7. Croc O'Dial

    If there's too much excitement...

    This (safe for work):

    https://www.scribd.com/document/291821328/Climax-Catalog

    might come in useful if the device goes critical at 110% in an office meeting. In the chart, I like the reference to bone oil and curb cocks.

  8. Hans Neeson-Bumpsadese Silver badge

    Using such devices is a criminal matter and there have been prosecutions.

    When arrested, did the perpetrators come quietly?

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      "When arrested, did the perpetrators come quietly?"

      Like Meg Ryan?"

      1. DropBear
        Trollface

        "When arrested, did the perpetrators come quietly?"

        Stop saying that...!"

  9. FuzzyWuzzys
    Gimp

    What is it about religious twats that makes them opposed to sex? Typical, as soon as you're too old and/or too repressed you tried to stop everyone else having fun. Sorry but evolution put our "fun bits" right in front of us to a) remind us to keep using and playing with them and b) make it extra easy to touch/use/abuse each others! ( All in the context for a loving and consensual relationship of course. )

    Nothing quite like getting a new toy from LoveHoney for you an your partner to see what weird and wonderful ways you can be "planes"(*)!

    ( * Get inside the other and other take each other to heaven and back! )

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      "Typical, as soon as you're too old and/or too repressed you tried to stop everyone else having fun."

      You missed the other category - they didn't want other people having the same fun as they did. The "moral panic" over pr0n really got going in the UK when it started to be available to the lower classes through photographs and public art galleries. It was no longer the preserve of the upper classes who had previously controlled access to it.

      It was the same thinking espoused by Mary Whitehouse and Lord Longford. Their moral superiority meant they were not affected by what they read or saw in their investigations. However they believed that anyone else would be instantly corrupted by it.

      The same paradox exists still in the internet. People are employed to search for illegal pr0n. The more successful they are at finding a pr0n slant in innocuous things - the more successful their careers in that role. It doesn't seem to occur to them that the cesspit perception is only in their own minds.

      The Church was influenced by St Augustine's proscriptions - yet he is famous for the quote when younger - "Grant me chastity and continence, but not yet."

  10. IsJustabloke
    WTF?

    ummm....

    "know that this type of device is illegal in many places"

    Does this mean what I think it means? That it's illegal to use a sex toy in some states?

    and people think we Brits are uptight about sex.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: ummm....

      Get one, it might loosen you up.

  11. Old Handle

    I'm curious about how the "turn people who use your product in to the police" business model works exactly.

  12. JLV
    Coat

    Google Anal-ytics anyone?

    >the makers of the We collect exactly when the device is used, which of the ten vibration modes they are using, and even the temperature of the device

    That is all, getting me coat.

  13. Stevie

    Bah!

    Hacking a wireless remote control vibrator. Good one.

    Or, and this is just an idea, one could spend the same amount of time outside the parents' basement and develop the skills needed to enjoy intimate moments with others for real.

    Just a thought.

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    2. JLV

      Re: Bah!

      Why the hate?

      This is just another hack of an IoT device. One of a class of device that also happens to have some potential for embarassment/blackmail to its users. Funny to the Reg crowd, cuz we are often, hmmm, bit weird. But it's still a depressingly common thread of IoT to have bad security. No more, no less.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Bah!

        But it's still a depressingly common thread of IoT to have bad security.

        When I read about this thing sending usage data base to base, the only thing I could think of was "why ?" - just why on earth does it have to, and why do they collect it.

        That's just fail all over.

        Tempting to go and get one - apart from the intended use which I think me and 'er indoors might enjoy, give an opportunity to have a go at our Data Protection bods.

        1. JLV

          Re: Bah!

          The thing has a remote control function. So you can send the missus a vibe during the day instead of a text. So it makes sense that there is a mothership server to intermediate through, but less so that they store and even less that they are not secure.

          That said people struggle to use secure passwords on banking sites or routers, can't expect too much resetting of factory defaults on a sex toy.

  14. Jonski
    Paris Hilton

    If the hax0rz pwn your device...

    ...then you're f***ed

  15. Tromos
    Joke

    Can it be...

    ...taken off vibrate and set to ring?

  16. Death_Ninja

    Hackers with no ambition

    I'd have rigged the thing up to buzz the Monty Python theme tune.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Hackers with no ambition

      "[...] buzz the Monty Python theme tune."

      The "Blott on the Landscape" TV series theme seems more appropriate in both sound and the storyline. The end of the tune seems particularly apt.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZS06nrvET78

  17. SilverCommentard
    Coat

    Why the fuss?

    All the developers have done here is bring masturbation up to parity with genuine beast-with-two-backs action. Now your vibrator can spill the beans* on your love life just as effectively as a jilted lover. I can see the red-top headlines now: "Five-times-a-night! Celeb just can't get enough, says her love toy."

    *Not the most appropriate analogy, I admit.

  18. mark jacobs
    Coat

    Urgent! Help needed!

    I am doing some in depth research on these devices and was wondering if there were any women aged 18 to 35 who would be willing to help me out... Enjoyment of sex would be a positive...

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