back to article New Nexus 5X, 6P smarties: Google draws a line in the sand

Google’s latest Nexus smartphones, the 5X and the 6P, were announced last month, and while there's a lot to be said for the upgrades, there's some unfortunate omissions. It has been five years since the first Nexus smartphone was unveiled, and since then the Chocolate Factory (and assorted hardware partners) has used the brand …

Re: If it aint broke

We bought cheap TPU cases for our Nexus 4's. Wife drops hers from around 1 1/2 feet several times a week onto a hard tile floor, and it has no cracks and it works fine.

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Re: If it aint broke

+1 for TPU case on a Nexus 4. I also had a TPU case on my previous phone. These cases are superb at impact protection.

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These are not the droids I'm looking for...

No SD is a big no-no for me.

I like to have a large music collection stored on my mobe. I spend a lot of time working down in the bowels of a data centre where phone signal and the company WiFi are non-existant.

I could go to the effort of cloud-syncing a playlist, playing ti and then repeating the next day - or I could put a big 64Gig SD card in and have more music than I could ever really want ready and waiting in my pocket.

I like the idea of a service plan which pays back for unused data etc - it's an interesting concept given that a lot of people I know pay for high end contracts, barely touch their limits and then won't downsize "just incase". This could see some real competition entering the service market once it hits the UK.

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Re: These are not the droids I'm looking for...

In the heart of a data centre but no data, hilarious.

Reasonable for security I suppose as long as memory sticks are also banned, and OTG/cables, and BT and...

A guy on a recent trip in Central America was using Google Fi, I couldn't catch the name properly but he said it was a new service, monthly payment, data/service in 120 countries.

He could roll into Guatemala City surfing the web and checking stocks (the reason he had the service) while the rest of us were wondering if the next rest stop had WiFi (they do).

He said it uses WiFi where possible (including non-open ones via agreements I presume) and service wasn't always good (or present) but he was paying $10/month and thought it was well worth it.

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Re: These are not the droids I'm looking for...

>No SD is a big no-no for me. I like to have a large music collection stored on my mobe. I spend a lot of time working down in the bowels of a data centre where phone signal and the company WiFi are non-existant.

Two suggestions: 1, look at LG's offerings - they still have SD cards and swappable batteries, plus some models can play back native 24bit 192Khz FLAC files.

2: Your phone's battery will probably take a hit by searching for a cellular signal in vain, so ease the load by just buying a dedicated audio player with SD card support... the Sansa Clip springs to mind. Don't worry about the extra bulk; it's the size of a matchbox and is a convenient thing to wrap your headphone cables around.

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Re: These are not the droids I'm looking for...

They are indeed since they host credit card data. No writable media whatsoever. Only readable allowed media is OS/Driver disks. No USB cables for phone charging etc. Internet is firewalled and is allow-by-exception for business pruposes only. No Wireless access points for security, no mobile signal because its 2 floors below ground and has reinforced walls. All by design - but I wouldn't expect anything else when my personal card data is stored there among others.

If only others were so good with their security...

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Re: These are not the droids I'm looking for...

Thanks for the suggestions, I really appreciate it. I will have a look at LGs kit next time I upgrade. Currently running an HTC M8 and love it :)

As for point 2 - flight mode :) just have to remember to turn it off when I get out the DC... which i frequently don't - but then I can charge it at my desk since I've got a plug point right next to me.

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Re: These are not the droids I'm looking for...

"Two suggestions:"

3: You probably could just shove an appropriately tiny USB stick into the phone's OTG connector and have it recognized as a removable mass storage drive (at any rate, the Galaxy S2 way back before the big bang could do it just fine). The exact logistics of connector type/cable/adapter/etc. and actual practicality remain a bit unclear though...

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Re: These are not the droids I'm looking for...

This works but it has a very big drawback compared to an SD card in that you have a large cable sticking out of the bottom of your phone which, if knocked hard, may completely break your phone.

I bought a Nexus 6 despite the lack of an SD card slot. It's less of a shag than I expected but it's still a shag. 64GB isn't that much these days and I too have a very large music collection (a lot more than 64GB). I miss the SD card slot on my previous Galaxy S4.

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Re: These are not the droids I'm looking for...

If you really need to carry several days worth of music around with you, then just buy a OTG cable for a few quid - problem solved.

What would you rather have a SD card slot or be first in line for updates?

SD card slots generally appear on phones where they have somehow contrived to make Android slow and ugly (ok, Touchwiz is a little nicer now but it's still slow compared to stock Android).

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point of view...

I have a cheap Moto-E 4G....it has an SD-card slot. I have 128GB of memory in it.

However, I am running lollipop (yeah *thanks* motorola/lenovo for screwing us with that), and so the SD card is *sort* of usable, but not seamless.

I will make a prediction that either a) memory in phones becomes much cheaper b) the next nexus will have a slot.

Oh and if you *don't* have slot, the sodding phone should be waterproof!!!!

P.

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Oh and if you *don't* have slot, the sodding phone should be waterproof!!!!

Amen!!!!

I've have an "old" Casio/G-Zone "Boulder" circa 2006/07 that's STILL water-PROOF not "resistant" It still (sorta) does what I need - Receive/Send Voice, (what ever that is...) texts, and takes some-what decent pix's... All being 40' underground in an electrical noisy environment. I deal with pump stations - either potable(fresh) or waste - with more magnetic interference from 1950's low-voltage starters to today's VFD's from 60 to 400 HZ's.

Saturday, after a long day, I recovered my phone in a 1/2 million gallon waste water tank,(granted, it was being pumped down after I got the pumps restarted) that was at 17 feet (about 6 meters for you metric users) when I was called. Plucked it out, with a basket-on-a-stick, in about 3' of muck. Hosed it off (literately), and got my other dozen or so messages...

Now, if Casio - if no one else - can make a (clam-shell) phone like that about 10 years ago WITH expandable (MSD to 32 g's), removable/replaceable battery, EITHER external charger AND/OR cradle charging, and STILL works as advertised, (I admit, I spent US $200 for it at the time) WHY can't anyone else do so?!

/end:rant

P.S. - this is my 3rd phone in my 40-some-odd-year lifetime.. 2nd was a Nokia (can't remember the model - old-timers disease ;-) ) mono stick, and 1st was a Panasonic LUGGABLE; 2-piece, with the FULL 3-Watt output in the late 80's - not the milli / micro Watt we have now...

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Anorexic models.

"The 5X is billed as thinner than its predecessor, .... LG shaved 8mm from the new model..."

Photos , or it never happened.

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Re: Anorexic models.

What's the point? Photos of models are always altered to make them look more attractive than they are.

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Can't reach with fingers

Hmm... Fingerprint sensor on the back?

That's going to be a bit of a pain when mounted on a car dashboard.

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Re: Can't reach with fingers

If you're using for phone for Navigation whilst mounted on your dashboard then it won't be locked anyway.

And in all other cases, you shouldn't be using your phone whilst driving... :)

Fingerprint sensor on the back makes sense for one-handed use. You generally need two hands on a front mounted fingerprint sensor.

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I pity the US if $10 dollars per gigabyte is considered good.

You can get unlimited mobile Internet in the UK for £18 per month (that's about $28). There are no caps except for tethering, but this is easily bypassed if you know how.

I hate to use the word disruptive in this context but the US definitely needs some new player in the mobile phone network game.

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Re: I pity the US if $10 dollars per gigabyte is considered good.

...Likewise - £20 pcm with Three and I get unlimited Data, 3000 SMS and 5000 mins incl free 0800's. It must suck to have to pay that sort of money - I can easily use 10-12GB per month over 4G and using it as a hotspot when out and about with my laptop.

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Re: I pity the US if $10 dollars per gigabyte is considered good.

Heh heh; I just took my 3 mobile on a three week trip to the US and used it for all sorts of 4G data goodness (apart from hotspotting - that's verboten) and paid absolutely nothing on top thanks to their feel at home service. I hate to say it, but I love 3; excellent data and call quality here in the UK and free roaming - what's not to like? I'm paying something silly like £18/month for 4Gb data etc with a 30 day contract.

As for the power and volume buttons being swapped to reside on the same side; about time say I - the one major irritation of the Nexus 4 and 5 was hitting the volume up with your "holding" finger whenever you access the power button. A real PITA.

Having said all that, I've just returned my third 5 to Google and got a full refund after successive problems with power buttons failing. Limping along on my old Nexus 4 whilst I await delivery of a Wiley Fox Storm...

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Re: I pity the US if $10 dollars per gigabyte is considered good.

Have you looked at the map lately? :-)

Britain 60,800,000 people in 88,745 mi²

US 321,605,012 people in 3,535,932 mi²

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Re: I pity the US if $10 dollars per gigabyte is considered good.

Butt....

then, again, it's the Chock (minus the "h") Factory - while they're taking pic's, AND slurpin' WiFi, they have a DB of ALL the open networks around you. IF you HAVE to use THEIR precious data that THEY bought from your local providers, ya gonna pay... If your in down-town Manhattan - no problem, plenty of open sources. But if you're in the middle of B.F.E., (Bumm F. Egypt) ya gonna get it in the Bumm...

Our local cable co. has a similar deal for $20(subscriber) $40 for non.. but it also uses their (and, being a subscriber, YOUR) WiFi/data/ D/L speed..

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Update speed

The main advantage to me is getting updates on a sane schedule, instead of having to wait indefinitely or just being flat-out denied updates because the manufacturer's attention has moved to newer models.

Personally, I wish they'd move to a model more like the PC market: LG and co sell hardware, Google and co supply software to run on it. You don't get your Windows or Linux updates from Dell or HP, they come straight from MS/Ubuntu/whoever.

I'm quite interested in the new WileyFox handsets, the Swift and particularly the Storm: dual-sim support, SD card (though irritatingly, not both at the same time: at least one handset does support both, but not this one) and decent screen, camera and CPU. Pretty much everything I'd ask for in a handset, for £199! I just hope they stick to vanilla Android, so it can be kept updated easily for the long term.

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Re: Update speed

Both those WileyFox handsets use Cyanogen OS

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Man, I'd miss that QI charger.

I don't know if I could go back to life without wireless charging. They're awesome, mind you that's assuming you find a charge pad that works reliably through the case you've chosen.

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No Qi?

That's me out then. No way am I going back to plugging in bits of wire overnight, even if the new and currently rare connector is fashionably bisexual.

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Got my Project FI invitation, ordered a 5X - can't WAIT to kick Verizon to the kerb; their service is utter robbery. Like many people I spend the great majority of my time within range of a friendly wifi network, this will more than halve my bill.

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Four pages?

Come on, El Reg, don't fall into that trap of other, lesser news sites, breaking a normal-length article into several pages to increase click-through.

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Holding Google to a higher standard than anyone else

When an iphone is released, you never see 'lack of SD card' in the list of cons. No one complains about it.

I travel a lot, for media consumption, I have a USB OTG cable (it cost £3 - THREE POUNDS PEOPLE!!!) and 32gb USB flash drive. Job done.

Google said the Nexus won't have an SD Card slot years ago. So why are people still bitchin? Stop looking for issues where they don't exist. I have an original Nexus 5 and since installing the new Photos app all my photos and videos over a month old are backed up and then deleted from the device. I have lots of space. What's the problem?

If you're looking for perfection, Nexus isn't for you (in fact no phone is perfect). But if you are looking for the fastest, slickest Android experience at a reasonable price as well as quick updates, then it's the best option out there.

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Re: Holding Google to a higher standard than anyone else

When an iphone is released, you never see 'lack of SD card' in the list of cons. No one complains about it.

There is no IOS device that supports an SD card, so it's no surprise that an iPhone doesn't -- it's sad, perhaps, but not surprising. Android, though, runs on LOTS of devices with SD support, so it's annoying that Google (of all people) don't sell one.

There's also the fact that if you really want a lot of storage in an iPhone you can just go out and buy one with 128GB, but these Nexus devices are 16GB or 32GB only ... which is acceptable if there is also an SD card, but not so much if there isn't.

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No Qi charging, no OIS, no Qualcom Quick Charge (only Google's version of fast charging, so your current fast chargers dont work), no removable battery, no SD card slot, no waterproofing and rip off pricing compared to the U.S. (even with taxes taken into account). Hmmm, make mine a Sony Xperia Z5.

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Nice, but not worth it

Nice phones (especially the 6P) - although its just a bit too big for me.

The 5X would be a great phone were it not for some inexplicable shortcomings:

1) No QI charging

2) 16Gb/32 Gb (not expandable) storage options - come on its late 2015! good reception is not universal + data plans are not unlimited (mostly), so dont give me that everything in the cloud nonsense

3) 2Gb RAM. Most higher end phones come with at least 3GB now. I know it runs fine now with 2GB, but what about in 2 years time (afterall one of the main draws of a nexus is the long update window)

My 3 year old Nexus 4 has the same 16Gb ROM/2Gb RAM as the base 2015 5X (+ wireless charging) Doesn't seem a worthy upgrade to me!

Price: - 5X 32Gb (only one I'd consider) is £350 from some retailers.

In the same price range:

A new 32GB galaxy S6 can be had for around the same money. (And if you want to spend more you can get a bigger capacity one too)

A 32GB LG G4 can be had for around £300 new. That has expandable storage.

Both of those phones have better specs (and wireless charging - although with the G4 you need a replacement case) Decided the much better hardware in the G4 was a worthy tradeoff for having to wait slightly longer for software updates.

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Re: Nice, but not worth it

For Qi charging on the G4 you dont even need to buy a new case, just buy the £5 wireless charging/NFC sticker and do it yourself. That's what I did and it works a treat, if only I could the same with my Sony Z3, it would then be the perfect phone for me.

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I wonder...

If you could manage 2 days off a nexus on marshmallow, I wonder how long you'll manage on a phone which comes with power saving baked in a selling point? (I'm thinking the sony Xperias here).

It's always worth noting what Google gets upto with the nexus line but only as a guide to what's coming to others manufacturers later on (though if you want the bleeding edge of Android software that's your choice to make by buying a nexus. I'm not saying it's not a valid choice, it's just not one I personally make).

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"That’s not the entire picture, however. The Nexus 5X hit 51 per cent of battery power after 27 minutes, and was 90 per cent charged after an hour, but then took another 28 minutes to get the last 10 per cent. "

This sounds decidedly like "Microsoft Minutes" to me

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Serious question

What are you supposed to do with no SD card? For example I like to watch video on the boring train, but even in populated area like SE you could not hold a signal long enough to watch a film or episode which was streaming from gdrive or other cloud. In fact I doubt could even listen to one complete music track without it dropping out.

If I didn't have the 64GB card I would be reduced to carefully managing local copies on what's left of my 16GB, needing to keep on top of loading and deleting things all the time.

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