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Confirming what had been widely expected, Apple has unveiled two new iPad models – small and large – and laid out plans for a third. There's also a new shiny 5K iMac. The big news, though, is that the "soft SIM" war his finally begun. At a launch event in Cupertino for its pet hacks, Apple said the new iPad Air 2 will be …

Re: Yosemite

My thoughts exactly, I'll give it at least a week and let some other bu**er do the beta testing.

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Re: Yosemite

You do realize that there's been a public beta for quite some time now, right? I'm not saying there aren't still bugs, but I do imagine plenty of people have tried it already.

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Re: Yosemite

I don't know about you but after a looking at the gnashing and wailing on the Apple forums as there always is with a new release I've decided to wait till .2 comes out, again.

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So where are the "new" Products?

Did not Cook say that Apple would launch new products this year - so where are they, or was the iWatch the new products, which is "plural" by the way chaps.

A lack lustre line-up of hardware, crippled Mac Mini, 5K iMac - big deal and Touch on the iPads - just updates, nothing innovative or ground breaking.

And, if you think its me, go read the dedicated Apple blogs, disappointment all around, particularly on the Mac Mini, something I was actually waiting for.

So we now have a higher rez iMac, big deal, will let others buy it and get the second revision next year if my existing 2011 iMac lasts that long - 5 repairs to date under Apple Care and the next breakdown will bin it.

Here's what we want, quad core Mac Mini with decent GPU, decent iMac at decent entry point for us non photographers who use our Macs for DTP purposes, a 5K Mac Monitor that we can link up to a Mac Pro - I'd have thought the Mini, but now its crippled, as a media server a Jailbroken Apple TV will work, or Googles new gear - notice the word "new"

And still Apples share value soars despite only one, yet to launch, actual new product thats a bloody fashion statement like the iPhone.

Well, glad I've got a Moto X, glad my 2010 Mac Mini still performs nearly as well as today's non reaped Mac Mini and glad my iPad 3 still works. I've been a Apple user since the early 90's and loved the old company and its computers, now its just fashion over function - what a waste!!!!!!!!!

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Re: So where are the "new" Products?

Actually the 5K iMac is a big deal. Monitor resolutions have been stagnating for years, maybe this will give the rest of the industry the kick up the backside it so badly needed.

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Re: So where are the "new" Products?

I agree - whilst the hardware in it sucks that resolution is amazing. If what someone else has posted on here is true (that Dell has the same res monitor for the same price) then even with the hardware it isn't a bad deal (as long as you can use it ass a second display!).

I detest the screen on 2011 13" Mac, but the retina displays do look great.

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$399 on the 16GB Wi-Fi model

Seriously? Unless you really need (it could happen, rarely) an app that is iOS only, that's a silly way of wasting money. Oh, right, the much better tablet that cost almost half this price that I bought a year ago does not have "that" logo on the back, so it is no good.

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Re: $399 on the 16GB Wi-Fi model

Couldn't agree more with you. It is the screen in the end....that is all that it comes down to. But for someone like me....meh!

I chose to stick with the Android team and got myself a Galaxy Note 10.1 2014 edition. Yes, I paid $549 for it, but I got an Octacore CPU, 3 GB of RAM, and a high resolution screen along with the S Pen. This is a device that suits my needs. Yes, it is heavier than most other models, but it does precisely what I need and want it to do, and the quality is great. Runs fast, and I feel like it actually EARNED its $549 price tag.

When I paid $380 for an iPad Air on sale, even then I felt it was overpriced for what I got. (Returned it within less than 24 hours and I think I popped a tonne of brain cells in the poor girl's brain when she saw an iPad being returned due to lack of customer satisfaction)

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Re: $399 on the 16GB Wi-Fi model

@stephajn

I guess you're not one of the 100% of people who were satisfied with this device (according to Tim Cook in his presentation). You should email him so he doesn't make that mistake again.

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Re: $399 on the 16GB Wi-Fi model

I chose to stick with the Android team and got myself a Galaxy Note 10.1 2014 edition. Yes, I paid $549 for it, but I got an Octacore CPU, 3 GB of RAM, and a high resolution screen along with the S Pen.

Oh man if you'd held out just a little bit longer you could've got the 64 bit version, because it seems that fandroids have changed their tune over 64bit ARM chips....

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Re: $399 on the 16GB Wi-Fi model

Android is still appallingly bad (at low latency audio though I hardly needed to be specific).

If you do music, especially guitar then the current vogue for virtual amp sims, mean that iOS is the only table/phone OS that will do it. And record it for you. That lack of delay is so important, in fact so important that these apps are only available on iOS.

Plus, I've bought and tried to use Android devices and they constantly make me aware of the OS, which I am not interested in. I end up getting irritated with it and eventually it ends up on Ebay. Then a new version of Android appears, gives me hope and then disappoints, ends up on Ebay. With iOS I forget all about the device and the OS and it the app becomes the focus. So it's not just about Android being the low-rent option. I'm careful to buy used iOS kit and not pay too much for it, but subjectively, all these tablets seem to be shit to me, just iOS is the least shit, and by a huge margin, Android is the most shit.

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Re: $399 on the 16GB Wi-Fi model

Yeah, the cleaner at work says similar things about Smart Price cola and big clear plastic bags of frozen chicken nuggets from Heron Foods.

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Re: $399 on the 16GB Wi-Fi model

The 100% satisfaction is on the mini retina.

The Air is around 95%

Both those numbers are independently verified using the same surveys used by other manufacturers.

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Re: $399 on the 16GB Wi-Fi model

Satisfaction is always higher for more expensive kit, even it is it poor value.

Firstly, it is often actually superior, e.g. these are thinner and lighter (probably not too bendy and thus 'superior').

Secondly, and most importantly, people who pay more are far more likely to avoid dissing the product they spent so much on. Expensive things are often bought to make others envious - half of the car adverts I see are 'make your friends envious by driving a BMW/Mercedes/Lexus...'. You can't make people envious if you tell them it wasn't worth the money...

"Oh, it is light and thin and the screen is nice but it isn't worth the extra £250 over a Surface/Tab..."

People even lie on anonymous surveys because of cognitive dissonance.

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Congnitive Dissonance

You are far more likely to see cognitive dissonance opinions from those who can't stretch their funds to a new luxury item, even though they would really rather like one, not somebody who already owns it.

In fact you see quite a lot of it, quite a lot of it apparent in these comments.

BMW/Mercedes don't do very well in many surveys (Lexus do tend to score well). People paying for these cars have high expectations and can get very irritated when let down even by small problems and will say so.

You also see quite a few people who have made up their mind about what the best product is, and they just can't believe that other people would have a different opinion and prefer something else. They seem to take it as a personal insult. Happens all over the place, Audi vs BMW, Canon vs Nikon, Plasma vs LCD, Beats Audio vs anything. You see a lot more of it from purchasers of Android stuff than in the other direction, and it strikes me as mildy sociopathic.

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Re: $399 on the 16GB Wi-Fi model

Well, you are one of those people I alluded to, who has a specialist need. Not many like you out there. For the vast majority, who only do web, social media, read some PDFs, simple games, etc., then yeah, they are throwing money away buying iPads.

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The company also bumped up the hardware specs on the Mac Mini with faster processors

But now no option for quad-core at all, even on the top-spec model? That was the key difference between the two models previously, the more expensive one could support a quad-core i7.

I was waiting for the new models to consider getting an iMac; now I'm wondering if I should be trying to buy the previous generation (where do you get those from now)?

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Re: The company also bumped up the hardware specs on the Mac Mini with faster processors

I take it Sir is interested in a computing device with more than a shiny screen?

Go to the website, click on Store, scroll to the bottom of the page, and click on Refurbished & Clearance.

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Re: The company also bumped up the hardware specs on the Mac Mini with faster processors

"I was waiting for the new models to consider getting an iMac; now I'm wondering if I should be trying to buy the previous generation (where do you get those from now)?"

apple reburb store.

I was hoping i also might get a bargain 'last gen' one to replace my core 2 duo job I have just now which is my 'entertainment centre' at the moment in the living room.

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Re: The company also bumped up the hardware specs on the Mac Mini with faster processors

Refurb emptied of Mac Minis of all types earlier today, before I could get one.

Luckily I have a mate who works at an Apple Store who snared me a new one at a discount.

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Re: The company also bumped up the hardware specs on the Mac Mini with faster processors

I am in the same situation, was waiting for them to upgrade the mac mini now lost the quad core I wanted and no chance of a refurbished one by the time I get back to civilization, Bollocks!

May just have to bite the bullet and get $999 one, the quad is probably not that important to me, does anyone know if the new model can still take an additional HDD and after market memory upgrade?

It is the power consumption that makes it useful to me, have had no shore power for 3 days and my old core 2 quad linux box is a bit of a drain on the inverter and the generator is loud and annoying.

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5K - 5K for a desktop that doesn't even have an optical drive?

Hahahaha! Hey it might sell but it won't appeal to business users as they like an optical drive to install Office.

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Please point me in the direction of a business user who needs an optical drive to install office.

If you knew anything about Business IT you'd know that they use bootable drives for imaging and new software are pushed through the network.

Nobody has installed any software using an optical drive since 2008.

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re:5K for a desktop that doesn't even have an optical drive?

Damn right. For 5k you should get an optical drive with BD read-write, at least 2 floppy drives (so you can copy between disks) and a ZIP drive.

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Home users won't be disappointed at all though.

I've got my new iShiny 5K, let's stick a BluRay in.

Well who needs optical media anyway, let's look at what's on iTunes.

Right, Apple ID, credit card data. Click... Buy.

Buffering... buffering...

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Nobody has installed any software using an optical drive since 2008.

I regularly mount ISOs of CDs and DVDs to install operating systems on VMs: does that count?

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You're spending 5k on a computer and you aren't paying for proper broadband?

You're spending 5k on a computer to watch a movie on?

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Who said the computer was $/£5K?

If you can't get fast broadband where you live, yes you're screwed.

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No ipod touch 6th generation

So no spending at Apple this year.

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Re: No ipod touch 6th generation

I really don't understand why you got a down vote.

Likewise, I was hoping for a new iPod Touch as my 4th gen is starting to show it's age. It'll probably work for another year so I'll just put up with it until it either dies or Apple bring out a 6th Gen.

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Re: No ipod touch 6th generation

Thanks, nor do I, unless it's karma for being a troll on occasion.

She Who Must Be Obeyed works for a part of the NHS that mandates no personal mobile phones while working. She gets round this by using an ipod Touch for her notes, ebooks etc. Plus there is an ipod dock in a couple of the theatres for music during operations.

Unfortunately the Gen 4 ipod is swhowing its age and is refusing to run some updated apps so I was looking to get her a new 6 gen.

If Apple don't want my money - fuck em.

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"Software" SIM ?

This can't end well.......

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Lovely, but can I have a 5k screen for my Mac Pro now please

The current TB screen, whilst awesome it a bit low on the ol' resolution.

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Of course you can, for only £1999. Includes free Mac.

From the Apple Support pages:

"If you have an iMac with Thunderbolt, any other Mac with Thunderbolt can use it as a display. The iMac will play both the video and audio from the other Mac.

Connect the Thunderbolt cable to the Thunderbolt ports on each computer.

Make sure both Mac computers are turned on and awake.

Press Command (⌘)-F2 on the keyboard of the external display Mac.

If you want the external display Mac to play audio as well as video from the primary Mac, choose Apple menu > System Preferences, click Sound, then click Output. Select the external display Mac in the list of devices."

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'quad-core Intel Core i5 processors running at 3GHz'

Welcome to 2012.

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Re: 'quad-core Intel Core i5 processors running at 3GHz'

i5 is a brand name. It is not a model number. The i5 processors are on at least their third micro-architecture. Counting the cores and looking at the clock rate is fatuous.

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Confused

iPad Mini, 2, 3, Air... I'm confused??

What would Mr. Jobs have said?!

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Re: Confused

"What would Mr. Jobs have said?!"

Probably "Jagwire"?

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