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Pentagon hacker Gary McKinnon is afraid tor visit his sick father in Glasgow after advice from his lawyers about the possibility of extradition. McKinnon's father, Charlie, is in hospital after suffering a stroke. But lawyers for the London-based hacker have advised him against visiting his dad in hospital in Scotland because …

And when Scotland gets independance

Will it still be in the EU and thus under any obligation in this regard after all English Parliament seems to be awash with rumor it is going to circumvent those very laws even in the EU.

"Scottish Ministers also have no power to act in contravention of the European Convention on Human Rights,"

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Re: And when Scotland gets independance

The European Convention on Human Rights belongs to the Council of Europe, not the EU. E.G. Russia, Azerbaijan and Monaco are signatories without being members of the EU.

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Re: And when Scotland gets independance

"after all English Parliament seems to be awash with rumor"

Which ""English Parliament" would that be?

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Re: And when Scotland gets independance

....and the ECHR was largely written by British lawyers when it was drafted in 1950.

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Megaphone

I suppose it all comes down to...

...how much of a subservient, submissive lapdog to the US the Scots wish to be. I'm no expert, but when presented like that, I'd expect the Scots to tell the US (in their own semi-intelligible dialect), "Bugger off!"

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Re: I suppose it all comes down to...

You mean "get tae fuck"?

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Yes Indeed.

"UK Home Secretary Theresa May withdrew an extradition order against McKinnon, who allegedly suffers from Asperger's Syndrome"

FFY.

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More anti-US bashing

A while back, I defended criticisms of American policies in response to a post by 'asdf', by noting that criticisms were more apparent because of the Snowdon leaks, and we Brits would welcome justifiable criticism from our American pals regarding GCHQ, the government, the weather etc.

I've always felt there's a tendency for Americans to get too defensive over criticism, maybe due to their huge patriotism.

Whilst I still hold that general view, I have since realised I was wrong about this site.

Since then I have noticed that any trivial excuse is used to trot out the same tired old anti-US jibes.

By my non-scientific evidence, Americans are the second highest readership of the Reg, by count (second only to the UK) - I'm beginning to wonder why they bother.

Ho-hum.

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Re: More anti-US bashing

Because, on the whole, Americans are used to it, and don't give two fucks about it. Overall the commentary on elReg is amusing, and the stereotypes of Americans are laughable.

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>> By my non-scientific evidence, Americans are the second highest readership of the Reg, by count (second only to the UK) - I'm beginning to wonder why they bother.

Possibly the highest and almost certainly if you don't restrict "Americans" to citizens of the USA. "They" probably still bother with the reg for the same reason that you do: to have the piss taken. Where would you like me to put it?

Not every comment stream ends up like the above bollocks. Me? I love 'mercania and all who sail in her, but I will agree with whomever (above) whittered on about our strange love of the froggy -our rather than -or. I will obviously fight to the death for "disc" over "disk" however, regardless of etymology.

Cheers

Jon

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Re: More anti-US bashing

You along with many others are always tired of the truth!

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You see a lot of US bashing because the US makes it so easy.

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Boo hoo for you

As ye sow, so shall ye reap. It would be a real shame if Gary ran head first into a bullet.

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WTF?

I didn't know Scotland ...

was a signatory to the international agreement that bLIAR signed (remember Blunkett).

And I thought Scotland was presently part of the United Kingdom.

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They should get wicker man on his ass

and give that motherfucker

THE BEES

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Re. Mckinnon

As a fellow Aspie, I find the way Mckinnon has been treated to be not only against his human rights, but against the Constitution as well.

As for those who say he is guilty of hacking, all the "offences" of which he is accused would never stand up in court and as for the financial damage done most of that was due to eejits not setting up the computer system properly in the first place; he simply revealed their incompetence.

Also a lot of the information he found later turned out to have been planted intentionally by administrators to entrap him, this was revealed in a classified memo soon to be released by Wikileaks.

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"As a fellow Aspie, I find the way Mckinnon has been treated to be not only against his human rights, but against the Constitution as well."

A lot of us hereabouts are on the spectrum so no big deal. Whose constitution? I did not realise the UK had one so you must mean the US.

He committed crimes and ought to answer for them.

Admins created honey pots, err what is your point here? By the time he got to them he had broken into the system and had committed a crime.

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" I did not realise the UK had one "

I take it that you're joking. Either that or you're massively ill-informed.

Just because we don't have our rules set out on a single sheet of paper signed by a bunch of slave owners doesn't mean that the UK doesn't have a constitution.

Far from it. Because the UK has been going for so long the constitution in terms of statute is so massive there's even a branch of the legal system called "Constitutional Law" which may give a clue as to what it's all about.

If the United Kingdom only came about 250 years ago after slaughtering all the locals in a massive genocidal act then perhaps we'd only need one sheet of paper and a crayon.

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"I take it that you're joking. Either that or you're massively ill-informed.

Just because we don't have our rules set out on a single sheet of paper signed by a bunch of slave owners doesn't mean that the UK doesn't have a constitution"

<snip>

Not joking, I have never seen a written version or even learned owt about it at school back in the day.

So I would put it to you it does not really have a constitution per se. What it has is a set of laws and structures that can be easily changed and are not set out for all to see in one document. Sooo, I would put it to you again that a bunch of documents that can be chanhged willy nilly does not a constitution make. All the waffle about the sum of the body politic etc. does not mean a lot to me.

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Well, one of the first documents was arguably the Magna Carta and it grew from there.

Where does it say that the constitution has to be on a single sheet of paper?

The Constitution defines things such as two houses in Parliament; one for the commoners and one for peers of the realm and various religious types. Between these two they create the laws. Then there is the judicial system which falls into the role of the constitution who decipher the law and then on the top of that there's the monarch whose main task is to ensure that the constition of the realm is adhered to and protected.

In short, it's the whole system and it framsework and then, from within, the laws are made.

The British constitution is not to be comfused with the statute book.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_the_United_Kingdom

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loud, boisterous, obnoxious and uninformed of the local culture.

In my experience that covers a lot of countries, not just the USA.

"Brits on the piss" is not a nice sight as I'm sure lots of people can testify to.

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As per Brits bashing the US..

First off we can take it - thank you very much! I think we resemble that remark or more! HA! But you guys are ruining Obummer's pledge to make us more likable all over the world! Your messing up his campaign promise! Don't you feel guilty about that? >snicker-smirk< It seems the world has only become worse with his "Leadership".

signed

One proud 'Merkin!

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"Drive a few miles south...

... tweet "on way to holiday in Penzance! #Suckers"... turn around, drive due north a few hundred miles.."

GPS info from mobile phone tracked by nsa?

they force a White Heather Club DVD on you.

Oh, God, you've brought back tortured memories of Hogmanay on the BBC way back when.....

Andy Stewart singing "Donald, where's yer troosers..." Arrrrggghhhhh! Damn you!

For the masochists here assembled :

http://www.google.co.uk/url?q=http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DEqtFnAZu1YI&sa=U&ei=JAreU_f2C-Gz0QWpnYDAAQ&ved=0CDkQtwIwCg&usg=AFQjCNFu4LWt6VhcUUSbK94qbXmAffL0QA

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we used to be able to travel around this country rather freely...

without worrying about being extradited to the US.

what happened?

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Americans

I dont dislike americans, nor citizens of the USA I haven't met any objectionable ones myself - well no more objectionable than UK citizens. However, I can find it in me to despise many of the actions of the recent Govermnment & political elites - they have managed to ruin a perfectly good constitutional experiment.

The Mckinnon thing - he should have no problems in Scotland despite argubly being guilty - it was only that should he be extradited to the USA for it that was really objected to. Perhaps, he should have been charged here, I'm sure they could have done that if they had wanted. Having Assies is not a failure of knowing what is or is not legal or good&evil - but what do I know not being a mental specialist.

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His worry is not Scotland, it is US rendition. The World now knows for certain that the US government respects no international laws and most egregiously, no national laws, not even its own!

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Alien

The Brits should just stop!

While the Brits are bashing the United States just remember this, if it wasn't for the United States you'd be speaking German!

Have a nice day!

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Re: The Brits should just stop!

And if you have a clue what you're talking about, you'd realise that if not for the Brits, Aussies, Canadians and a whole load more folks, the Americans would be speaking German along with us...

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