back to article How Britain could have invented the iPhone: And how the Quangocracy cocked it up

This is a disturbing, cautionary tale of quasi-government and its bungling. It describes how Britain could have led the recent advances in touchscreen technology, developing kit capable detecting more than one fingertip at once, years before Apple did – if it weren't for the nation's treacle-footed, self-serving quangocracy. …

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      1. GitMeMyShootinIrons

        "And Cameron and Osborne are right fucking Einsteins aren't they?"

        Not genius, certainly not popular, but you can't deny the fact that they've gotten the country through a recession compounded by Labour ineptness without resorting to the usual socialist panic spend, spend, spend (regardless of whether you have the money) approach.

        Remember - Labour bailed the banks out.

        1. JC_

          "And Cameron and Osborne are right fucking Einsteins aren't they?"

          Not genius, certainly not popular, but you can't deny the fact that they've gotten the country through a recession compounded by Labour ineptness without resorting to the usual socialist panic spend, spend, spend (regardless of whether you have the money) approach.

          Remember - Labour bailed the banks out.

          Osborne and Cameron have deepened and lengthened the recession because of their austerity policy. That's a fact. If this is the recovery it's taken longer and been weaker than the recovery from the Great Depression.

          Their policies are madness, completely unsupported by economic theory or empirical evidence and have caused enormous human suffering.

          Fortunately for them, they and their clique are completely sheltered from the consequences of their dreadful decisions; the poor and the unemployed are the ones who are suffering.

          1. Richard 12 Silver badge

            No, that's an opinion

            Economics being the fuzzy trick-cycling that it is, you can find lots of eminent economists utterly convinced that the ConDem policies have shortened and shallowed the recession, as well as a few saying that they lengthened and deepened it.

            However, the general consensus is that a Labour coalition would have bankrupted us instead, causing a full-scale depression and hyper-inflation.

            Though it can't be proven, partly because economists are trick-cyclists, but mostly because Labour have had no plans at all other than "Not what the ConDems say" throughout most of their opposition.

            Heck, I still have no idea what Balls and Miliband actually stand for or believe, unless it really is just the "Not Tory" stance they've been following.

        2. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          I am not convinced that we are out of the recession yet. Technically the economy has not shrunk for two or three quarters in row but its not growing either.

          As for panic spending, we have a range of neo-Keynesian spending going on, from help to buy which is keeping the housing bubble going and potentially billions to be spent on HS2.

          There is also the small matter of the gov't keeping their friends and donors sweet. Royal Mail sans pensions liabilities sold at well below value, increase in PPI, etc, etc.

          1. Alan Brown Silver badge

            "I am not convinced that we are out of the recession yet. "

            The UK isn't. It's taking creative book keeping to make it look like the country is treading water.

            Cameron recently had the UK's position in the New World Order well and truely explained to him by the chinese leadership - and meekly accepted it.

    1. DaneB
      Mushroom

      And Cameron / Osborne are right flippin' Einsteins aren't they?

    2. Ted Treen
      Thumb Up

      I wholeheartedly concur...

      ...and admire your remarkable restraint in your descriptions.

    3. Gio Ciampa

      When do you start filming the next series of Secret Millionaire...?

  1. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    I've worked for a public body that started out with a decent remit to help business, but I saw it descend into a quango that just provided pointless jobs for political cronies. We may mock states like North Korea, with their nepotism and self serving elites, but they are just an extreme version of what we have here as the positions of power held by the Powell clan show. Don't know what the answer is, but we need to get rid of the patronage and as well as ensuring that serial incompetents at the top don't just move on from one disaster to another. For example, when the head of the quango I worked for found his position untenable when Labour lost power he called in a favour with one of the UK's leading entrepreneurs and went on to a directorship elsewhere. Of course, if he'd been a little less of a public-school educated dimwit and brown nosed a few more politicos from both sides of the fence he could have happily stayed on as an overpaid quango boss on a six figure salary ...

    1. DaneB
      Alert

      Christ, it really is that bad...

    2. Ted Treen
      Boffin

      To be expected:

      The excellent Jerry Pournelle described this in his Iron Law of Bureaucracy:-

      In any bureaucracy, the people devoted to the benefit of the bureaucracy itself always get in control and those dedicated to the goals the bureaucracy is supposed to accomplish have less and less influence, and sometimes are eliminated entirely.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        The excellent Jerry Pournelle described this in his Iron Law of Bureaucracy

        That pretty much describes how the BBC are run nowadays. They were told by government to cut costs, so the managers employed more managers who then sacked all the productive staff. The result is more managers than ever, and less of those tedious things like journalism or making new programmes.

        1. Nigel 11

          Another, shorter formulation:

          Any sufficiently developed bureaucracy is indistinguishable from malice

  2. Roo

    In this case competence is tangential.

    It is tempting to give NESTA the benefit of the doubt and ascribe their bungling to incompetence - but I really don't think the pattern of their behaviour supports that. On the one hand you have a guy with some IP and who wants to build a tangible product that could generate income. On the other hand you have artists - the vast majority of whom make a net loss on their output, and in some cases it isn't even possible to monetize their output. Yet NESTA supported the high-risk-zero return activities without hesitation, they subsidized their mates' hobbies and no intention of supporting money making activity/innovation.

    It's a pity that Fentem didn't hedge his bets, that said I am not sure I would have done any better in his position at that age.

  3. John Styles

    Theres goes my blood pressure again...

    But, how stupid (or naive is probably a better word) do you have to be to not realise this would happen if you got involved in something like that? Or to not bail out when it is obvious that what it is obvious would happen happens?

    1. DaneB
      Mushroom

      Re: Theres goes my blood pressure again...

      I guess it shows how mistrusted government truly is now. Remember all theose pop stars turning up when Blair got into power? When is that EVER going to happen again?

  4. Jason Bloomberg Silver badge

    Britain has led the way

    Britain has often led the way; but that does not mean that commercial success will land in British hands. There is a lot more to it than inventing or developing a technology; the success of Apple goes far beyond using 'touch screen' displays.

    I am no great fan of Apple but their success is in giving the customer what they want (and particularly in convincing the customer that it is what they want) and delivering it in a quality manner with a premium price. That is where Britain often fails. It doesn't matter how good the tech is if one cannot turn it into a desirable product.

    I remember an Alexi Sayle joke that if Britain had invented the Walkman it would have been the size of a tea chest and made of polished mahogany. That sums up what the problem often is with Britain's inability to dominate commercial markets.

    1. ian 22

      So Britain avoided inventing the iPhone

      From the phone wars I've read here, it seems Britain dodged a bullet.

      (Waves multi fingered gesture, runs off)

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Britain has led the way

      One thing Britain still doesn't have is the venture capital community that you find in Silicon Valley or Cambridge, MA. Had this idea been developed in the US it would have been possible to find a group of investors who either had the specialist knowledge, or knew the people who did, to make a decision on whether this was worth funding. Silicon Valley keeps going because its where brilliant ideas meet an avalanche of money.

    3. JEDIDIAH
      Linux

      Re: Britain has led the way

      What Apple usually does is to add that last 1% of what a device needs in order to appeal to the mainstream and then couple that with lots of visible marketing.

      If some bit of computing tech has reached the consumer then it has probably been cooking in academia and research labs or non-consumer computing for a long time beforehand.

      Britain didn't invent the tea chest sized Walkman this time. Microsoft did.

  5. ElReg!comments!Pierre
    WTF?

    How I could have invented the Airbus A380...

    ... and how my wife made me take the trash out instead.

  6. Alan Johnson

    No Sympathy - whining because one of many possible funding sources was used and they did not give as much funding as needed is entirely the guys fault. Why did he agree and sign a contract if they were only providing a derisory 20K an order of magnitude less than required to get to a manufacturable product? Thsi smacks of wishful thining by someone without any sort of commercial clue. yes the British establsihment is woefully bad at supporting industry with a shockingly poor understanding of science, tehcnology and how to get things done but they are at least trying. The fact they gave money to someone who is commercially naise and incompotent reflects badly on all parties but the prime responsibility for failure belongs firmly with the guy who conceive dthe idea and set up th eproject and company not a government body who provided funding.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: they gave money to someone who is commercially [naive]

      ... maybe, but that "commercially [naive]" bloke had had a good idea, and was trying to get help. Maybe Fentem deserves less sympathy than someone who could have made their idea commercially successful without help (but also didn't) ... but it most likely would have been better all round if Nesta had done (or were capable of doing) their job properly in this case.

    2. Roland6 Silver badge

      Re: No Sympathy @Alan Johnson

      Only someone who has never engaged with the inventive and business start up end of the high-tech sector could be so naive.

      Sorry, the people who come up some of the best idea's aren't all business men or people with an extensive network of contacts/supporters ready to shower them with all the help necessary to turn their idea into a product. Part of the reason these people go to big 'friendly' looking organisations is because they believe they will get help without being ripped off.

      Also from my experience it is actually quite difficult getting initial funding and if you're into sub-£100k many so called 'experts' will advise you to visit your local bank ...

      There are some good VC's in the UK who understand the above and will engage with the inventor to help them get 'the business' off the ground - making their funding offers conditional on getting a wider business expertise on-board (recruiting your own manager can be a lot of fun!)

      No the real message of this piece is that inspite of the successful UK government funding programmes of the 80's and early 90's for high-tech, the government could create NESTA and for it to be totally ignorant of the lessons from this legacy.

  7. MJI Silver badge

    Depressing

    I think in this position best to go round different companies yourself.

    The incompetence of Nesta was staggering

    1. Chimp

      No, Minister.

      No, think outside the box. Tell the Sir Humphrey types that you're a lesbian clown with an interest in phases of the moon. Use the resultant shower of cash to fund your product.

      Thinking, see?

  8. slightly-pedantic

    Dependency culture

    Implicit within this story is that it was the responsibility of Nesta to filter from 1000's of applications the ones where the innovation alone has the potential to drive major shifts in business, and then to back those regardless of any of the other circumstances. The telecom industry, and I suspect the inventor, didn't anticipate the iphone phenomenon, yet we expect a government agency to have that kind of foresight?

    I was investing myself during the period concerned and saw 1000's of applications, and yet never saw this inventor approach me for seed funding, and from the sound of the article, if efforts were made to raise commercial money they were not successful. Could it be that the inventor was a key limitation to commercialising his own technology? My experience is that no amount of brilliant innovation is sufficient to mean that you can commercialise a technology if the inventor has either attitude, capability or experience limitations. Perhaps we also expect that our government agencies should step in to fix those problems too?

    During the years up to its recent change in status I know that Nesta invested in many truly innovative and brave technology ventures, often to the tune of several £100'000s. Every commercial investor in early stage technology knows you must miss some great opportunities in the 1000's you must reject. Putting pressure on such agencies to account for missed opportunities is likely to breed exactly the kind of defensive investment behaviour that will depress their potential for positive impact. What we should be judging Nesta on is those that it did back vigorously and the returns that those investments made.

    My experience of Nesta was that it did have its limitations and constraints. However I did work with people who had a good understanding of what they were doing. If we believe that the state should be intervening in our economy through innovative seed stage investments then maybe the more important issue is that instead of improving provision, we've simply given it up. Nesta no longer does seed stage technology investment and as far as I am aware no alternative has been put in place.

    1. Craigness

      Re: Dependency culture

      Given they're not investing in established products, some of their grants are not expected to make money and they only invested the interest on the initial endowment, it's unfair for the author to state "In its first five years handling a £250m endowment, NESTA saw a return of just £228 in royalties".

      But rather less implicit in the story is the responsibility not to be totally incompetent. They can be forgiven for backing failures, not for making a failure of something which had the potential to succeed.

  9. All names Taken
    Alien

    Surprised that u r surprised?

    The UK is not a meritocracy and i don't think it has ever claimed to be.

    It is an aristocracy lead nation or at least it appears to be with its politicians claiming to represent commoners in the Houseof Commons but having very little to do with commoners anyway.

    From time to time it does claim to be a democracy but the sincerity and actuality of such claims can be easily challenged. However a society that is based on privelege and supremacy is probably spending lots of resource and energy maintaining the power structures of that place hence ... a lot?

    1. TwoWolves
      Holmes

      Re: Surprised that u r surprised?

      The aristocracy ceded power between the wars, a new elite run Britain.

      As I recall during the period when the aristocracy ran things Britain had the most powerful empire in the world, launched the Industrial Revolution and pushed the boundaries of science and medicine to the point that they lifted millions around the world from poverty and disease. However the current elite don't like anyone pointing this out, let's call it "unfashionable".

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Surprised that u r surprised?

        As I recall during the period when the aristocracy ran things Britain had the most powerful empire in the world, launched the Industrial Revolution and pushed the boundaries of science and medicine to the point that they lifted millions around the world from poverty and disease. However the current elite don't like anyone pointing this out, let's call it "unfashionable".

        All those accomplishments were largely the work of a nascent middle class - not the aristocracy, who saw things like trade as being "sordid" and beneath them.

        1. TwoWolves
          FAIL

          Re: Surprised that u r surprised?

          Nevertheless they provided an environment that allowed them to flourish. You also seem to have forgotten the regular sponsorship of expeditions and botanical collections, proving once again the superiority of private enterprise..

      2. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Surprised that u r surprised?

        Think you need to read up on your history, because the overwhelming majority of advances in Britain during that time happened *despite* the aristocracy, not because of them.

      3. annodomini2

        Re: Surprised that u r surprised?

        "The aristocracy ceded power between the wars, a new elite run Britain."

        Nope, they just rebranded.

  10. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    It is not just NESTA

    I was acting as an advisor on a complex (really really) issue for UK Gov. One of a number. We were given (as a group) a pretty demo/pitch by the Design Council. The area is complex and it is very obvious that human, technological and mathematical issues are all very important. In my review I commented favourably on the Design Councils ideas but suggested they get teamed up with a decent technical group so that some balance and measure of effectiveness might be reached.

    My original submission was counted as positive. My attempt to correct with a positive but of no fucking use unless someone does a reasonable set of experiments, was ignored by the (Home Office) meeting secretary (not someone who just types by the way). A second attempt to correct this was accompanied by a 'do you want to work with us again, we intend to support the Design Council'. I left. As far as I know the ~Design Council got the funding for something that had little chance of validation,

    Anon (well vaguely) for obvious reasons

  11. Hollerith 1

    NESTA bad

    I was briefly involved with NESTA while it was being set up and got out as fast as humanly possible. it was clear that they had no actual intention of doing anything seriously technical. What they loved were computer-created artworks. Some early ones were lovely and fun, but it was a huge organisation and its output was artwork. From the very first day it looked to make itself a very comfortable nest for birds who could not do anything other than feather their own nests. The entire mentality of the place was corrupt, i.e. looking to support the longevity of the organisation as its sole purpose for being an organisation. I still feel unclean from the fact that I even walked through their doors.

    Having said that, I suspect every quango is the same. NESTA's ostensible purpose was merely rather more nebulous than most.

    1. Vision Aforethought

      Re: NESTA bad

      Socialism and unchecked capitalism are the same. Here we have the former.

  12. AMB-York Silver badge

    Why ask the government for help?

    Sorry, but the best thing the government can do for business is keep out the way. Plenty of other ways to raise money.

  13. Marco van Beek
    Black Helicopters

    Why did he wait so long?

    <Copyright Notice>Anyone from the British Government reading this is, if you read past this point you will have agreed to pay me the sum of £10M sterling for each reading. (I will even pay tax on it, or at least I will once I have paid for my coffee beans from Switzerland...)</Copyright Notice>

    What I don't get is why did he wait so long for any sort of response? It doesn't seem like he was tied into them until the contract was sorted, which took the best part of a year. I would have been long gone by then, taking my work with me, and keeping all the IP myself.

    There is a lovely bit in Richard Noble's book about Thrust 2 and Thrust SSC, where he approached the DTI and asked if they would be interested in sponsoring the project. Flying the flag and all that. They asked him how many he thought they would build in their first year of production... It's not the lawyers who should be first against the wall...

    1. Craigness

      Re: Why did he wait so long?

      My guess is he lacks 2 key qualities

      1. BS detection

      2. Disloyalty

  14. FadBotherMukka

    This is a story of the bl**din' obvious from day one. Okay, this was all pre-Dragons Den, but surely anyone with a half-decent invention and a modicum of common sense would have been making serious efforts in going to other sources of funding and demonstrating the possibilities.

    Oh, and not to disgree with the points about the New Labour cronyism, but a quick read of Private Eye shows that it's just as endemic across all the other establishment parties.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Have you ever tried getting funding for a technical startup? Particularly one that involves hardware as well as software? It's damn near impossible.

      A friend had to get a loan from the European Union and worked weekends in a manual job to make ends meet when he set up his own company. It's now very successful, but it took several years of extraordinary self-sacrifice, since the banks and UK government refused to provide any capital. As for venture capital in this country, it seems to only exist for stupid Internet startups.

      1. Marco van Beek
        Thumb Up

        Re: funding for Startups

        Yes I have, and I would agree. Those with spare money to invest have no imagination and no vision. If I had a pound for every time a VC wanted yet another variation on a business plan I wouldn't need their stupid money. They have no concept of the value of someone else's time.

  15. J.G.Harston Silver badge

    The whole economy is turning into this - where only those who are personally insanely rich can afford to participate.

    1. phil dude
      Pint

      relative...

      Perhaps an alternative way of say this is "living in the UK is so expensive who can afford to spend on non-essentials?".

      That's why rich folks can "play" these games, their lives do not depend on them...

      However, from computing fokelore, Apple and Microsoft were founded out of garages....

      Facebook was a student out of Harvard?

      It would appear to be successful, you need to be able to focus on just one thing, a thing no-one else has seen, and be given support to move on it when it flies...

      But history is written by the winners...how many failed?

      Is it all perhaps just a lottery?

      P.

  16. GrumpyOldMan

    Quote: "It’s a long-standing – 100+-year-old – complaint about Britain that we invent lots of great stuff but someone else makes money out of it. "

    I've seen and heard this in so many fields. My background is mechanical engineering - we saw this all the time in the 70's 80s and 90s. We invent and develop stuff, the Japanese copy it and then perfect and manufacture it.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: We invent ... stuff, the Japanese ... then perfect and manufacture it.

      Gosh! I bet that Japanese economy has really been going great guns in the last decade, eh? Or shall we just check first ..? :-)

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: We invent ... stuff, the Japanese ... then perfect and manufacture it.

        Maybe, that's cos the brits haven't been inventing in the last decade...

  17. chrisf1

    Why NESTA and who else?

    An interesting issue here is why go to NESTA in the first place and were any 'real' VCs approached and what did they say.

    Whilst NESTA has a track record of talking up its endowment and not much about its actual investments, they were ( at least then before the conversion to charity, may have changed but I still see them as too overtly following the political zeitgeist) always going to have the political and bureaucratic issues of a public sector body. The UK was absorbing about half of all the VC funds in the EC at the time iirc.

    A real danger of talking up state investment is the drowning out of other approaches. The state is almost by definition a funder of last resort ( unless it is funding for its own consumption, then its a supply side intervention) if there is a business case a business should be doing it. If it is too long term, too radical or too subject to regulatory risk or that the economic dividend is too dilute then there are good reason for state involvement but this does not seem to be in that category.

    1. phil dude
      Meh

      Re: Why NESTA and who else?

      I know little about this specific agency but it could be the professional network that is supported by it?

      The UK may excel in "Lone Inventor in the Shed" types, but the political class want a nice polished presentation from $CORP, with no hard facts in it.

      The reality is this. Companies have a legal obligation to make money. If business is good, they can invest in something to improve or expand their business. If business is VERY good, they can fund non-essential activities that may pay off. If business INSANELY good, they can buy OTHER companies that do it.

      In government, there is no business. Taxes are collected from the population (i.e you) and other economic activity (what you spend) and "redistributed" (spent like drunken sailor...) for the theoretical benefit of the country.

      a) Traditional banks don't make money, they are the govts agents for printed cash. So borrowing from a bank for something that is not a "dead cert", is very limited (unsecured loans), otherwise they take your house. Casino banking means you have to have a marker in the casino. And casino's out there for shed dwellers?

      b)For a business, a loan is weighed against the business accounts (unsecured but some evidence of success), but may take your assets. No way a bank is risking any money unnecessarily.

      c) And then we come to "fairy dust" VC stories. They may fund $SOME startups and hope one will win big, but they will want $LARGE_CHUNK of your $IDEA. If not properly done, they will just TAKE your idea.

      The state cannot pick winners directly because it is so big it distorts the market, it will at the same time, pick the losers. That is politically unacceptable. Issuing large amounts of cash for any project without firm deliverables seems to attract all sorts of "inappropriate" people.

      The state should ensure the boat rises for everyone. Fund STEM well through postdoc. Fund FOSS where possible. Fund systems that everyone can use. In the USA the NSF, NIH, DOE and DARPA fund a lot of broad boat rising activities. DARPA is the 10/1 model. The others pay for work done.

      But in the UK, make being a small biz less burdensome. In order for any company to apply for any funding they need to be experts in the govts arbitrary rules as well as their subject area.

      If the UK wants more successful startups, perhaps it should make it easier...

      P.

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