Nothing, you can access Office 365 online components with Chrome. You just don't get all of the features, the speed or the reliability of having it installed locally - especially if you don't have constant internet access.
Microsoft hires Pawn Stars to shaft Google
Microsoft has turned its guns on the Google Chromebook as the "Scroogled" campaign enters its nastiest phase yet. Redmond has hired the stars of a reality television show called Pawn Stars to help with its anti-Google Scroogled campaign. In an imitation of an episode of the show, a reality programme about the colourful …
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Thursday 28th November 2013 09:40 GMT Tom 260
It's been a bit odd in the UK watching the hotmail (sorry, outlook) adverts that big it up as being private vs gmail's web interface which has targeted ads... except I use the pop3 servers on both, so miss the ads. The hotmail one has crap spam filters too, doesn't block the spammers using hotmail or academic domains among others.
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Saturday 30th November 2013 10:25 GMT Roo
Re: POP3?
"And some people may have missed the news. but you can use IMAP on hotmail now. It was introduced a couple of months ago."
I can't recommend Hotmail on the basis of POP3 or IMAP access over the long term. I found that Microsoft had a habit of breaking it for weeks and months at a time (no prior notice, explanations, apologies etc) - usually whenever they revamped their service (ie: at least once every 2 years). On the first occasion they dropped POP3 support they didn't bother telling anyone - when queried they said I'd have to pay for it on the basis that it wasn't an official feature. I paid, they dropped POP3 for a long time a few months later. Their customer support was non-existent and by that I really do mean literally no customer service at all.
Maybe they have improved (they couldn't get any worse) now, but I don't think it's worth the trouble finding out.
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Monday 2nd December 2013 07:56 GMT apjanes
Ads
"adverts that big it up as being private vs gmail's web interface which has targeted ads"
Personally I pride myself in having a modicum of intelligence and free will preventing me from getting unwillingly swayed by adverts no matter how targeted. If, by some slim chance, an advert DOES present me with something I'm interested in buying, I'm more likely to THANK Google than curse them!
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Thursday 28th November 2013 09:56 GMT Anonymous Coward
Re: RT?
"This Surface RT isn't a real laptop," one says. "It doesn't have Windows it has RT which uses a titled interface, it has a half assed Office that runs like a dog. Without Wi-Fi those pretty tiles don't do much at all unless you suffer from epilepsy and when you are online, Microsoft sends you to bing and outlook. That's how you get Microshafted"
Joking aside though I think this is a pretty pathetic campaign. Chromebooks are aimed at people like my dear old ma who doesn't want to have to contend with AV scans / malware scans and installing Windows updates she just wants to be able to browse the web and use email and keep in touch with the grandkids.
Yeah it's a brick without a broadband connection, but in the last two years I can safely say I've lost less time to broadband not working than I have to Windows updates and all that other rubbish. Windows is just too complex for the average punter that the chromebook is aimed at and while a dumbed down RT went some of the way to resolve this issue it appears that it is about to be taken out the back and shot.
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Thursday 28th November 2013 10:30 GMT Anonymous Coward
Re: RT?
"This Surface RT isn't a real laptop," one says. "It doesn't have Windows it has RT which uses a titled interface, it has a half assed Office that runs like a dog. Without Wi-Fi those pretty tiles don't do much at all unless you suffer from epilepsy and when you are online, Microsoft sends you to bing and outlook. That's how you get Microshafted"
& you work in IT? Damn, your bosses must have been extremely desperate to employ you if this is the sort of drivel you come out with!
Surface RT is NOT a laptop, but a TABLET first of all which you can attach a keyboard to, just like you can with several Android tablets & iPad's. If it doesn't have Windows what does it run as it was Windows when you look at the properties & system information. That's like saying that Windows XP or NT were not real Windows.... Half assed Office? Haven't found anything in the Office 2013 that is supplied with RT that is missing from what the vast majority of people use on the desktop versions. With or without WiFi, those "pretty tiles" don't do much anyway as most users will revert to Desktop mode where the tiles are irrelevant! Microsoft doesn't send you anywhere you don't want to go to as you do have a choice going through the desktop IE (yes that's the only drawback, you don't have much of a choice of browsers).
I haven't found any need to run malware, AV or any other scans with RT nor pestered with windows updates (other than 8.1 update & the automatic Defender definitions update).
May be it is worth opening your eyes to things other than Google, and not slate things until you have actually used them, FYI I use most of the Google products on my desktop machines, as well as using a Surface RT most of the time when I am on-site rather than lugging a much heavier laptop with a lot lower battery life, yet can still do everything I need to do.
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Thursday 28th November 2013 12:39 GMT Anonymous Coward
Re: RT?
Surface RT is NOT a laptop, but a TABLET first of all which you can attach a keyboard to
I know which is why I quite clearly said - "This Surface RT isn't a real laptop,"
Do a google image search on surface RT. Sorry do a bing image search on Surface RT... With the Google one 95% of the results returned show it with a keyboard. It is a tablet masquerading as a laptop
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Thursday 28th November 2013 18:57 GMT Richard Plinston
Re: RT?
> Surface RT is NOT a laptop,
Absolutely, it is completely unusable on your lap. The floppy keyboard connection, the single poor screen angle (2! on Surface 2), the bad weight distribution (compared to a laptop), the distance from keyboard edge to rear stand forcing the keyboard too close. Swipe the screen wrong and it will go to the floor.
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Thursday 28th November 2013 10:51 GMT Ian Ringrose
Re: RT?
I think for your mother’s use case, a basic tablet would be better than a pretend laptop.
The Surface RT can be great if you need of-line access to Exchange email while on the train etc, as well as being able to work with MS-Office documents. However I tent to put in into the same camp as tablets and not think of it as a laptop.
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Thursday 28th November 2013 10:01 GMT frank ly
The response (in my dreams)
Just before Christmas, an advert appears on prime-time TV, peak viewing hours:
An office desk, with a laptop on it, running Windows, Larry Page and Tim Cook walk on-scene from opposite sides and both look at the laptop. They look at each other and say, "Windows!". They both turn to the camera and say, "It's a pile of shit." (The end).
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Thursday 28th November 2013 10:05 GMT mIRCat
Two birds; one stone!
Marketing like this sums up why I don't use Microsoft products or regularly view 'reality' television in my personal life.
Microsoft, behaving like we should forget you settled with the DOJ over your monopolistic business practices, and ended up with a slap on the wrist, just because it was over a decade ago comes off as hypocritical, self-serving, and disingenuous. Also hiring reality 'tv stars' to sling mud on your competitors and push your products reeks of pandering to the lowest common denominator. You could always look into hiring a new advertising company.
That being said, I don't expect a tiger to change it's stripes.
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Thursday 28th November 2013 10:15 GMT Aaron Browne
Microsoft - Selling The Past
This is Microsoft trying to sell the past. Pretty much everything I do nowadays requires the Internet. Feedly, productivity and Citrix connectivity to work. Unless they can offline the whole Internet onto a Windows 8 laptop then effectively it is the same as a Chromebook for me. Note: I own a Samsung Chromebook.
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Thursday 28th November 2013 11:25 GMT Anonymous Coward
Microsoft's burning platform?
The one thing that always kept wallet firmly in pocket, with Surface (the none pro version), has been my doubts about Microsoft's commitment to the platform. Looks like I was right.
Say what you want about Google turning your anonymised data into ads (not to mention giving your none anonymised data to the NSA), but at least Chrome OS seems to have a future.
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Thursday 28th November 2013 13:56 GMT Anonymous Coward
Hard-up Students..
...have bought a chromebook and saved $ in doing so but now have to pawn them.
Just wondering what their level of debt would have been if they had bought a laptop AND MS Office.
Sure they might have got a bit more for the laptop but aren't Microsoft's licenses non transferable?
Legally, wouldn't an new owner have to cough for a new office license?
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Thursday 28th November 2013 15:17 GMT Anonymous Coward
"When you're not connected, it's pretty much a brick."
Microsoft is pushing Office365 and pushing for people to store their files in the cloud. If they do that, when you're not connected then you pretty much have a brick anyway. If you're not connected you can't get the myriad of patches from Microsoft either.
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Thursday 28th November 2013 17:22 GMT Roo
Microsoft, the 90s called, they want their FUD back.
They are unable to compete technically.
They are unable to compete financially.
They are unable to sue the opposition to oblivion.
They are unable to make the threat of removing their ad dollars stick.
They are unable to buy Google...
So they resort to their original Plan A, FUD.
It would be nice if they gave competing technically a shot for a change, you know, something positive that has benefits for their end users instead of trying to eliminate the competition via propaganda. Not entirely convinced that people seeking short-term loans is a promising growth area for Microsoft though...
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Thursday 28th November 2013 21:25 GMT Anonymous Coward
Re: Microsoft, the 90s called, they want their FUD back.
Strange that Microsoft are making so much money then....Record results last quarter.
Yep, they're going supernova. Right now their profits appear to shine really brightly, and they've expanded to a very large size.
Soon as the core collapses though, you'll get one of two things: a white dwarf, or a black hole.
IBM became a white dwarf.
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Friday 29th November 2013 05:13 GMT Mike Flugennock
What's the goddamn' deal with Microsoft's marketing zombies?
Are they really entirely incapable of learning from mistakes at all?
First the singing, dancing, clapping chorus lines at Microsoft shops at the shopping malls, then the Microsoft Morris Dancers, now this. What is the goddamn' deal with Microsoft's marketing types? I mean, it's not like anybody's putting a gun to their heads to get them to sign off on stuff like this. They come up with some crass, oily excuse for a marketing campaign, are laughed out of the place, and then they're back again later with something even more crass and oily?
Do they really have the memories of houseflies? Do they really think coming back with the same crassness and oiliness will produce different results? Are they consciously, proudly, gleefully stupid? What's the goddamn' deal?
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Friday 29th November 2013 10:20 GMT Fihart
Re: What's the goddamn' deal with Microsoft's marketing zombies?
A lot of hard work to make a non-point about a competitor.
My guess is there's a lot of people who had never heard of a Chromebook who now have now. They may or may not remember Microsoft's negative message.
One thing is certain, Microsoft are spending money like water on a campaign which gives Google the oxygen of publicity and does little or nothing for Microsoft products.
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