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US spy-boss James Clapper has once again emerged from the shadows to insist that America's global-spanning web surveillance programme is lawful and only targets foreigners. On Friday, director of national intelligence James Clapper said the NSA's clandestine PRISM project - which taps up internet giants for private emails, …

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  1. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Chinese Bus Fire

    3 days ago a man set fire to a bus in China, killing himself & nearly 50 other people. This man had a microblog expressing his unhappiness at life. It is similar to previous attacks where mentally ill or angry people have launched similar attacks on public transport & schools with knives or petrol. Could you call these terrorist attacks? These have all happened in one of the most closely monitored societies in the world. I'm sure these people weren't radicalised. Also surveillance didn't stop them.

    1. Psyx

      Re: Chinese Bus Fire

      " These have all happened in one of the most closely monitored societies in the world."

      China isn't even close to most Western societies when it comes to that.

  2. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Yes, I do remember the "Are you a US Citizen" check box when I signed up for GMAIL.

    No, wait a tic. There wasn't such a button.

  3. bag o' spanners
    Black Helicopters

    Never miss an opportunity to casually insult Merkin spooks when chatting general bollox on teh interwebs. Paranoid wankers, the loddofem.

    My default assumption is that all comms are being monitored all the time, either on "public order" or "national security" grounds. As if a judge is going to say no to the plod or security services when they ask for a tap warrant.

    They don't get appointed if they don't toe the line.

    Given the driftnet nature of badly written law, which inevitably gets abused for purposes of political advantage, if your name bobs to the surface due to clerical incompetence (see any report on police IT skills) or pisspoor intelligence gathering, you're well and truly fucked. The more politically motivated halfwits you give access to huge piles of data and smart mining tools, the more false positives you'll get.

  4. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Conspiracy theory

    Can I be the only one now wondering whether the recent hoo-hah over Chinese networking kit (from e.g. Huawei) wasn't so much "we fear that the Chinese Government may implant back doors" as "we're not able to implant *our* back doors". The more I think about it, the more it makes my head itch. Guess I need some form of hat. Maybe made from tin foil.

  5. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    They shouldn't be bothered about my communications.

    It's when I stop communicating that they should be worried.

  6. Graham Marsden
    Facepalm

    You don't find a needle in a haystack...

    ... by making the haystack bigger...

    1. LaeMing
      Unhappy

      Re: You don't find a needle in a haystack...

      You can if you redefine STRAW=NEEDLE!

  7. Nanners
    Mushroom

    RRRRRIIIIIIIGGGGGHHHHHTTTTTT....

    A bunch of cloud computing IT specialist debating privacy rights. I've heard it all now.

  8. Anonymous Coward
    Megaphone

    Mr. Clapper, nobody is saying that what you are doing is illegal

    What we are saying is that it A) isn't right and B) should probably be illegal.

  9. Destroy All Monsters Silver badge
    Big Brother

    Clapper says this; Clapper says that. Clapper says things that may be true. Or not.

    These people need to be dragged onto the kerb and be summarily dealt with.

    Obama’s “Dirty Wars” — and a soiled presidency

    One eerie episode in “Dirty Wars” that hit me especially hard amid this week’s headlines is set not in Yemen or Afghanistan or Scahill’s especially terrifying journey to Somalia (you need “kidnap and ransom insurance,” and it’s not easy to get) but in the Senate Office Building in Washington. He interviews Sen. Ron Wyden, D-Ore., a strong critic of the Bush-Obama national security state and almost the only member of the Senate Intelligence Committee who’s ever willing to talk about these issues on the record. Wyden clearly wants to explain to Scahill how the Obama administration interprets the laws it uses to conduct national security operations both at home and abroad. But an aide, sitting nearby but off camera, keeps reminding the senator that those legal interpretations are classified, and he can’t talk about them.

    “What Wyden was saying to me,” says Scahill, “was that whether it’s the kill program or it’s domestic surveillance or it’s certain secret aspects of the Patriot Act, there are laws that the American people can go online and read, and reasonable people will interpret those in relatively the same way. And then there’s a second set of laws, which consist of the way the administration has interpreted what those laws say. So what he’s saying to me is that on any of these issues, if I could tell you how they’ve interpreted what you believe a law to say, it would shock you.”

  10. Alan Esworthy
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    Looks like he IS lying

    Article says, "According to the director, the US government CANNOT PRISM - which is underpinned by the aforementioned US Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act - to harvest data on American citizens."

    If he said that, he lied. If he had said, "the US govt MAY not use PRISM" then he'd have been within the weasel boundary. But the capabilities of PRISM as described both by Snowden and the NSA make it quite clear that the setup makes possible harvesting data on any and everybody, as it is all stored. Any claim of self-imposed limits on using only those bits allowed by the FISC (which approves over 99.9% of requests anyway) is too ridiculous to be believed.

  11. tekHedd
    Pint

    One good thing about Obama

    The best thing about having Obama in office is that this makes it acceptable among so-called conservatives to actually get upset over domestic spying, torture, and other things that were vigorously defended during the previous administration. So it's not a dead loss. But it's close, when an administration that speaks openly against these things but does little or nothing to stop them is considered the best of the only two options.

  12. ecofeco Silver badge
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    As I was saying

    How's that cloud thingy working for ya?

    1. Steven Roper
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      Re: As I was saying

      My thoughts exactly.

      Luckily I've managed to keep my company completely out of the cloud for now and the foreseeable future, for exactly this kind of reason. I'm hoping this debacle will seriously damage cloud adoption amongst other SMEs as well, because we all need to vote with our feet on all this bullshit taking control of our software and data away from us.

  13. shawnfromnh
    Big Brother

    Money

    Congress could just take the money away and cancel the program or ban it altogether if they had the will power. Something tells me the NSA has dirt on virtually everyone so this would never happen. Another young boy Mr Senator, and about that vote coming up on Frid.....

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