Re: Accounting for the specific impacts of climate change on women
Is "transactional sex" the kind that you can roll back, undoing all the side-effects, if you later decide it wasn't a good idea?
A group of American politicians has introduced a resolution into Congress saying that climate change (among many other bad things it does) forces women into prostitution, and that as a result the USA should use "gender sensitive frameworks" in battling the scourge of global warming. House Concurrent Resolution 36 of the 113th …
Really? I think the whole business of blathering on about this is pretty offensive in the first place. To be honest prostitution has been around pretty much as long as humans have had a barter system for anything, ifor most people its pretty much a non-event and immaterial. If we were rather more open and tolerant we might not be sweeping it under the carpet. At the stage where it is no longer a hidden taboo it is possible that the people who cause real problems - those trafficking women (and occasionally girls/men/boys) might get caught out and bought to justice.
If global warming really exists as more than just another excuse to tax the hell out of everyone then we should stop allowing the import of Chinese and Indian goods made with energy from unclean polluting world destroying coal power plants. If it isn't real (the situation I suspect) then frankly we should get back to normality and stop taxing Europe/America into total economic oblivion. Certainly to then suggest that global warming is going to lead to mass prostitution I can only guess that if all the dire predictions come true mass prostitution will actually be very much a trivial problem compared to the mass starvation, homelessness, loss of land space etc etc etc
"mysogynistic" may be a bit hard.
I thought a mysogynist was somebody who hated women, now whilst I agree that people who use prostitutes may not respect them, I would suggest they don't hate them either. In the same way I expect a woman who hates men wouldn't be out looking to pull one.
I take your original point but labelling somebody a mysogynist maybe going a bit too far - after all, even a male chauvenist doesn't have to hate women.
I'm glad you used "may" in "may not respect them".
It is perfectly possible to accept that a woman who has made a concious choice to temporarily provide access to their bodies in a safe environment can be as much a professional as a physiotherapist, or even a hairdresser. They are each using their assets to provide a personal service that someone wants. And this can be respected.
I agree that if they have been forced through some compulsion, then that is not right and needs to be addressed. But for some women, it may be a lifestyle choice to work three evenings in a brothel rather than a week in an office cleaning toilets (please note I know that men work as cleaners as well, it's just an example).
I would never consider taking advantage of a woman who has been coerced into prostitution. But use the services of someone who has chosen it as a lifestyle? Why not, and with respect as well.
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Yup, went to a lap dancing club on a mates stag night some years ago. When I was in IT and earning around £200 a week the girl in the club was happily expecting to take £300 a NIGHT tax free - and she wasn't even allowing people more than a look at her almost undressed self dancing. Yup, if I wasn't an ugly beer gutted bloke with a hairy chest and bandy legs I might try it, certainly pays well.
Men are never forced into things by circumstances ever, are they? Men are all the same, clearly: Power-Mongering, self-centered bastards who are all ready to gut each other in a heartbeat. Unlike women, who appear to be divided into subsections: Vulnerable, Insecure, Disadvantaged, for instance.
Men are never those things, only women are, obviously.
What utter, sexist, contrived bulls**t of the first order. Clearly we should, as a society, protect the weaker members but to suggest that its only women who are weaker and that men never suffer any disadvantages is a gross generalisation and is surely patronising to women at the same time as being ignorant of the challenges that both genders may face.
....and all that from climate change? I see popularist bandwagons and nothing of worth or substance.
People are not forced into prostitution, the sex slave trade excepted. If someone has the misfortune to be so poor that they contemplate this as a viable solution, then that is an additional option they have. They'd not be better off without it, and would have to survive, or not, some other way.
Sorry, as you allude some are forced into prostitution with the sex slave trade. Some are also in a position where there is no really viable alternative in order to gain the money required for their drug habit, huge brood of children or whatever.
However, if we stopped pretending in the UK that prostitution is an evil, it is something dirty best hidden, it is somehow 'stoppable' if only we could force the various participants to be 'moral' we would be able to tackle these criminal versions of the 'trade', be better placed to protect the people who are involved (willing or not), control the number of prostitutes strutting their stuff in front of schools or residential areas and maybe even collect some taxes. But we prefer to go on as if anyone has ever found a way to make inroads into stopping the trade. Even trying to scare everyone that aids was rife and every whore was going to give you a combination of aids and other 'souvenirs' failed to stop the trade.
The situation is easy to imagine... bloke goes into brothel, finds a bunch of 14 year old girls with black eyes and bruises, then daren't report it to the police because he has committed an illegal act by trying to procure the services of a prostitute.
and regardless of 'other' posts, this basically seems to be your basic women from poorer parts of the world, (i.e. generally equatorial), selling their services, (usually by males), to the more affluent temperament climate parts - with a veneer of eco-religion.
I'm fairly sure I saw row's of lasses, down the south coast road to Pisa, selling their services in the middle of nowhere during the eighties and at the time it was all about 'the coming ice age calamity' and therefore not so sure it's entirely it's climate based.
Ok, a couple of things on this nonsense.
First, this is NOT legislation, rather a resolution, or expression of intent and position. Big difference (hence all the whereas sentences).
2nd, considering the FACT that prostitution is considered the world's "oldest profession" (note that term profession), it begs the question - who is forcing anyone into any profession in the USA?
3rd - not a snowball's chance in Hades this has any relationship whatsoever with "climate change". The Democrat reps that put this together should lay off the weed and crack for a few days.... This is about economics, and the lousy job our gubmint interveners have truly done. Less jobs, less opportunity for a trade or creating a "societally contributable" job or business, yet survival is always something people will gravitate towards, inately, part of our instincts as living beings, to find a way to survive, or adapt (may be better put), the oldest profession is a winner....
But, my no means is this the "fault of global warming", in no way illusrates any inequalities at all (what a frickin joke) - after all, we are all impacted when teh climate changes, equally, as last I checked the climate doesn't discriminate, nor recognizes genders. If men are "better equipped" to adapt, that isn't an equality thing, that is a nature thing. But I find even that laughable, as women are the reproductive part of our species, and no way on God's Green Earth would the reproductive part of any species be somehow less able, due to gender, to adapt to environmental changes and survive.
But this is a classic illustration as to exactly how stupid some people are, and the fact that elected politicians exhibit the most breath-taking examples of utter stupidity, it would seem perhaps a better use of our energy to resolve to implement basic common sense standards any elected official should be able to rise to, which would be the common sense of a potato, or a 5th grader. Seems when you get into office, the brain evaporates completely.
How does this rep cross the street successfully, is what I would like to know.
Women able exploit their dominant position (ooo-er) in sexual politics to gain an advantage over men in times of economic hardship.
Honestly, take two losers, one male and one female, and see who has the advantage when it comes to their ability to exploit what they have for material improvement. Women have the option to spread their legs for favour or money if all else fails. It's possible, but much less likely, that a man can do the same.
I'm not trying to say anything against gender equality, but some things just ain't equal.
I would have thought poor job prospects for young people would be the cause. I am going to guess if a young woman could have a job making $600 per week they would sooner that then prostitution, but who the heck can live working part time making $200 per week. Of course the true $ / week would depend on where they live, because $600 a week in New York city wouldn't cut it.
When politicians talk out their @$$ I cannot help but think:
Ignore the man behind the curtain, I am the great and wonderful politician.
It seems most politicians live in the land of oz where the streets are paved with gold.
WTF? really?
Is there any sense left in the USA?
I propose another argument, women are better equipped to survive, i.e. they have an inherent product to trade, where as men do not...
You may say they are forced into sex work, I say they have that as an option, men don't, or at least when they do, they have a much lower earnings potential, especially as they age!
It is time the USA (and other western nations) stopped causing the problems with sex workers, and start regulating it! If there were legal brothels around the place, then no one would have the need to visit an illegal one, and that would reduce sex trafficking.. if you loose your clients in a business...
Regulation would reduce risk, improve conditions, increase tax receipts, and stop global warming (I am not sure how, but I am positive it must)
Cannot disagree with a Anonymous Coward....
BTW, Nevada does a fine job with prostitution as a legal profession.
And you are correct, women do have that "commodity to trade", hence the oldest profession, and the "packaging" doesn't need to be all that "market-able", either. Just trot into the Mustang Ranch on any given night, and then tell me whether you were surprised by the, ummmm, "menu selection"....
Men can do it too, but for whatever reason theat career path just isn't as attractive when you examine what the customer base would actually be....
As for the politicians, I think it is time we round them up and lock them away in a deep dark hole. All that hot air, predominantly CO2, needs to be trapped and contained to slow the global warming, clearly caused by such wind bags of idiocy.
Or you could read the full text of the resolution instead of cherry-picking one bit of it to represent the entire thing.
Here's some other excerpts:
"women in the United States and around the world are the linchpin of families and communities and are often the first to feel the immediate and adverse effects of social, environmental, and economic stresses on their families and communities"
"climate change exacerbates issues of scarcity and lack of accessibility to primary natural resources, forest resources, and arable land for food production, thereby contributing to increased conflict and instability, as well as the workload and stresses on women farmers, who are estimated to produce 60 to 80 percent of the food in most developing countries"
"women will disproportionately face harmful impacts from climate change, particularly in poor and developing nations where women regularly assume increased responsibility for growing the family's food and collecting water, fuel, and other resources"
There's plenty else there, right up front, and it's a short document. You had to read past everything I just quoted there to reach the bit about sex workers. But you were looking for that, weren't you? Because taking climate change or women seriously just isn't something the Reg likes to do.
But hey, let's ignore all that and just have a laugh over prostitutes, because it's easier to ignore these problems by using slut-shaming to bypass every other argument. You're helping the world a lot! Really!
Its all 100% pure bovine excrement. If you buy one iota of this garbage, I guess I found a buyer for the new Peace Bridge we built here in Buffalo....
And what is this rot about developing countries and women assuming the responsibilities to work at feeding their families and collecting water? What, is that somehow unfair to have to work harder for your own survival? Really??? Someone needs to get out the illusions of man more often, and see what it takes to survive for a while. The term "fair" has no place in the conversation of survival.
This is not about "equality" or "women's rights", rather an offensive slander to somehow connect AGW and women's rights as one issue, which is pure balderdash - any living person with aeven the smallest shred of intellectual accumen can see this.
Our politicians haven't heard the latest trend. Now we are starting to worry about global cooling. I assume that means less prostitution etc, with the exception being in the Congress. After all, there's money to be made coming or going on climate. Just look at the Rev Al Gore. Getting more strident as AGW cools, just like the southern huckster he is! I hear his ranch is a local hotspot, using more power than the rest of the state!
It's over, forget about it. There's absolutely nothing the left-wing nuts can say anymore about global warming that will raise any real concerns among the American public. They've previously told us that our coastal cities will be under water, that our kids will never see snow again, that polar bears are disappearing, that farming will be impossible, that animals are getting smaller, that spring is coming earlier, that Himalayan glaciers are disappearing, blah blah blah, etc. etc. etc. They even once told us that our treatment of the atmosphere would anger ET's that would some day arrive here from outer space. These idiots have no shame. Today they're trying the prostitution schtick. Tomorrow it'll be sexual dysfunction. Next week it'll be dying puppies and kittens. I never believed this nonsense even when they made it sound like real science. Now that they make up these weekly comic strip arguments, it's more clear than ever that man-made global warming is the greatest hoax ever perpretrated.
Obviously a right-wing nut. My coastal city went underwater first time ever with the superstorm. There is hardly ever snow here in New York City. The polar bears are being driven out and their populations are shrinking. We have a combination of drought and flood which has been wiping out our farmers, who are selling off their meat animals earlier than usual. Spring is definitely coming earlier, based on when various plants are flowering.
There is global warming. Whether man-made or not.
Sandra, you may want to do a litttle bit of research on that polar bear thing.... What you have regurgitated is direct from Al Gore's Inconvenient lies. Truth is entirely different. I can point you towards some factual information if you would like. And yes, I would know.
Also, I would further suggest you do a little historical research into NYC flooding. This by no means was the "first time" NYC was undeerwater, in fact this has happened a few times in the past, starting with the first truly documented case of a hurricane whacking NYS in Sept 1821, when a tidal surge of 13 feet in an hour put most of Manhattan underwater. Few deaths reported because population was not where it is today. 1893 - Cat 1 hurricance deatroyed Hog Island. 1960 - 11 foot storm surge from hurricane Donna forced the evacuation of some 300 families from Long Island. 1999 and 2004 also saw some significant flooding events as well. Sandy was a big storm that tracked right, and is rare, but not something totally unprecedented.
Droughts and floods, that has never happened before either, right? Ever hear of an event called "The Dust Bowl"? I can cite many, many events that have happened in the past, and these events detonated your panicked rubbish.
Spring coming earlier..... This all depends on weather patterns, and each year we see variances, yet many of these things happening are driven by photo-period, unconnected with "warming", although blossoms (like we expereinced here last year, during a very warm March) will begin when warmer temps trigger sap runs, then the following month we had hard freezes, hammering fruit crops across NYS.
Sorry, but I just have to say, welcome to Earth third rock from the Sun. Seems like you are probably one of those folks that, when we all say Happy New Year, you are more like Frosty the Snowman in that children's cartoon when the hat hits his head.... And you say, HAPPY BIRTHDAY, as if you have forgotten everything that has happened in the past, or that you simply discount everything due to short or mid-term memory loss? Tell me, are you one of those blokes that has to relearn how to winter drive every single first snowfall of the year?
Having lived in the U.S. all my life, I am not a bit surprised with the article about Climate Change causing women to become prostitutes. My government has prostituted itself for the past 20 or more years and has turned the populace into a crowd of money moochers, gimmes and freeloaders, so I would think that women should have the same opportunity, don't you?
Now that right there is funny!
Of course, if the man learns how to fish, and fillet said fish, or learns to hunt, and can dress and skin and chop up (process) the harvested game, then he would have a world of "prostitutes" beating down his door, right? And if knowledge of knife-work extends to knowing how to use said knife to hew down branches and vines and such, said man would also be able to build a pretty fine shelter to boot....
Can anyone (else) in here build a fire without matches or lighters? How about knowing how to find water, or knowing where in a stream to collect water which is least likely to contain harmful wee nasties (in the event you cannot start a fire without matches or lighers, let alone absence of a pot or cauldron to boil said water in)?
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